Did Ruby talk about Oswald at Ray McKeown's before the assassination?

[Chris Newton]

What are the odds the media would report Nixon threw one of those hats to a mafia-connected henchman?

[Guest Brian Doyle]

I believe the above is a violation of stated site rules.

1) Credible photo analysis will confirm, counter to what is being claimed, that the cleft is visible in the chin. Myself, I can see it plainly. As usual, this is a matter of those with differing levels of photo analysis ability.

2) There's no doubt the downward shaped upper lip is also a forensic match, confirming the person as Ruby.

I assure you I am quite serious and the observations I make will prove correct. They cannot be answered by name-calling and deserve a better answer. I am not "trolling" as I am being accused.

Please answer the points as fair gentlemanly debate requires (as do the written site rules).

This is silly and the point is a valid one. It is unlikely that Ruby would draw much attention under the circumstances. He was just an HSCA witness and not much more at the time. Chris makes a quite basic logical error in assuming the only persons who would have received hats that day were senators. He has no reason to assume that Bush didn't have a carton of those hats, which he most-likely did, and that very available Jack Rubenstein didn't get one since he was on the same figurative ball team. I fail to understand how a clear photo of Jack Ruby wearing one of Bush's hats becomes it not being Ruby and not getting a hat? This site has some of the best brains in America. Not one of them can cite what other senator that would be and that is not a difficult task considering the small selection that would be at the time. xxxxx? No, I don't think so...

Edited September 25, 2016 by Brian Doyle

[Chris Newton]

What are the odds the media would report Bush threw one of those hats to a mafia-connected henchman?

Ruby was a nobody side-kick that day who, if noticed, would be reported as an HSCA witness and nothing more...

The upper lip seals it.

The above is complete gibberish. I showed patience until your second post. PS I'll call out "trolling" whenever I see it.

[Guest Brian Doyle]

You're not answering the points Mr Newton. They should be understandable enough for those who are intellectually eligible for the board.

The upper lip is a forensic match. It's Ruby. If you need it more clearly explained the upper lip on the confirmed photos of Ruby, as well as the man standing next to Nixon, both curve downward instead of upward. It is an anatomically unique feature that would make it very likely the two men were the same person. You can also see the cleft in the chin of the man next to Nixon if you observe carefully.

You have no right to assume the hats were only given to senators, just as much as you have no right to ignore it when called on it.

Sorry, but I call out bad or weak arguments when I see them...

Edited September 25, 2016 by Brian Doyle

[Chris Newton]

You're not answering the points Mr Newton. They should be understandable enough for those who are intellectually eligible for the board.

crawl back under that bridge and stay there

[Thomas Graves]

Bush presented straw hats made in Connecticut to Nixon and 10 freshman Senators. May 6, 1953.

It's a press photograph of an event unrelated to anything we are discussing in this thread.

So Ruby tied up a real Senator that day and impersonated him, so he could just by chance, of course, get captured in a press shot of the event?

What are the odds?

http://www.wikihow.com/Calculate-Odds

Chris,

Actually, I think Ruby impersonated a United States Senator so he could get that cool-looking hat. And wear it to Cuba. A few years later.

-- Tommy

Edit: It appears that Prescott was giving the hats to both Republican and Democrat "freshman" Senators, because other than himself, there were only two other "freshman" Republican Senators elected or appointed in 1952 -- James Glenn Beall (elected), and Dwight Griswold (appointed). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_1952 Note that in the two photos of the "anointing" of Nixon on this thread, there are three men who are wearing these hats (other than Nixon and Bush), therefore at least one of those men must be a Democrat.

Edited September 25, 2016 by Thomas Graves

[Chris Newton]

Scroll down to changes in membership, you will count 10 new GOP Senators.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/83rd_United_States_Congress

There are links to each of those Senators and you could hunt down pictures of them in 1953 and compare to figure out who that is ...but what an enormous waste of time. Good luck with that.

[Thomas Graves]

Scroll down to changes in membership, you will count 10 new GOP Senators.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/83rd_United_States_Congress

There are links to each of those Senators and you could hunt down pictures of them in 1953 and compare to figure out who that is ...but what an enormous waste of time. Good luck with that.

Chris,

I stand corrected. I mistakenly assumed that several of them had been reelected.

Now I count nine eight freshman Republican Senators: Beall, Bush, Griswold, Payne, Goldwater, Purtell, Cooper, Potter, and Barnett.

Who am I missing?

-- Tommy

Edited September 25, 2016 by Thomas Graves

[Thomas Graves]

Scroll down to changes in membership, you will count 10 new GOP Senators.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/83rd_United_States_Congress

There are links to each of those Senators and you could hunt down pictures of them in 1953 and compare to figure out who that is ...but what an enormous waste of time. Good luck with that.

Chris,

Looking at "your" list, I see that some of the Republicans in it actually replaced Senators who died after the photos were taken on May 6, 1953, and that three Republicans replaced Democrats who died after that date!

So for purposes of trying to figure out who the freshman Republican Senators were as of May 6, 1953, I think it's better to go from "my" list because it just shows the Senators who were elected in November of 1952, or who were chosen, sometime before the actual sitting of the 83rd Congress, to replace another Senator.

https://en.wikipedia...elections,_1952

-- Tommy

Edited September 25, 2016 by Thomas Graves

[Chris Newton]

I don't know Tommy. The news release said 10 freshman Senators which I assumed were 10 Freshman GOP Senators. Also, partly on the assumption that if you were a DEM Freshman Senator the last thing you needed was a photo of Daddy Bush putting a straw hat on your head.

Even if you somehow revealed there was, (do I dare say it), an extra straw hat -that possibility wouldn't mean it got stuck on Jack Rubinstein's head.

Jack Rubinstein was a hood in Texas in 1953. He wasn't hobnobbing with Freshman Senators in D.C.

[Thomas Graves]

I don't know Tommy. The news release said 10 freshman Senators which I assumed were 10 Freshman GOP Senators. Also, partly on the assumption that if you were a DEM Freshman Senator the last thing you needed was a photo of Daddy Bush putting a straw hat on your head.

Even if you somehow revealed there was, (do I dare say it), an extra straw hat -that possibility wouldn't mean it got stuck on Jack Rubinstein's head.

Jack Rubinstein was a hood in Texas in 1953. He wasn't hobnobbing with Freshman Senators in D.C.

I agree, Chris.

I've already tried looking at photos of some of the brand new (but pre- May 6) 1953 "freshman" Senators on the Internet, but unfortunately all of the photos of these guys seem to have been taken when they were older and more "established," therefore making it difficult, so far, to find one who looks like the rather youngish-looking "Ruby impersonator."

-- Tommy

Edited September 25, 2016 by Thomas Graves

[Chris Newton]

Tommy - Senator Bible is close.

You know there's another weird link concerning Seabrook, Tx. and McKeown and astronauts.

McKeown's drinking buddy, Joe Merola, who told him where to find guns was a mobster and a pilot. He was also an FBI asset and was employed at one point in the late 60's by Gordon Cooper Assoc.

(also McKeown's roommate is NASA Engineer Sam Neil).

Notice where this is taken:

Just more coincidence theory maybe

[Jim Hargrove]

If you look closely you can see the cleft in the chin of Ruby in the Nixon photo. It is definitely him. The cleft is less visible because his head is slightly turned, shifting the cleft further left. The cleft is more visible when Ruby is older due to the wrinkle factor.

The cincher is the down-turned upper lip. It's Ruby.

That’s a great point, Brian. I hadn’t noticed until now how Ruby had an uncommonly narrow upper lip (the red part, that is).

Ruby’s U.S. government connections clearly went back to the 1940s, continued in the early and late 1950s during his protected gun-running activities to Cuba, and probably were active on Nov. 22, 1963 via his good friend Gordon McClendon, long-time close associate of CIA’s David Atlee Phillips. It was Phillips, we should recall, who was famously spotted at the Southland Building in Dallas in September 1963 talking to “Lee Harvey Oswald.”

[Guest Brian Doyle]

Apparently some people who are obviously entering non-serious input are not attacked with accusations of trolling. It is clear to me they can't find any senator who that man would be because there isn't any. The one they offer isn't even close. They are obviously struggling yet don't hesitate to still suggest the obvious photo of Jack Ruby wearing one of Bush's hats isn't Jack Ruby wearing a hat. Meanwhile more reasonable people can conclude the man is obviously Ruby and make their inferences from there.

There's no "probably" about it. Ruby maintained his affiliations and role just as much as the Watergate burglars. It is obvious why he was used. The puzzle pretty much snaps together at this point.

[Jim Hargrove]

Apparently some people who are obviously entering non-serious input are not attacked with accusations of trolling. It is clear to me they can't find any senator who that man would be because there isn't any. The one they offer isn't even close. They are obviously struggling yet don't hesitate to still suggest the obvious photo of Jack Ruby wearing one of Bush's hats isn't Jack Ruby wearing a hat. Meanwhile more reasonable people can conclude the man is obviously Ruby and make their inferences from there.

There's no "probably" about it. Ruby maintained his affiliations and role just as much as the Watergate burglars. It is obvious why he was used. The puzzle pretty much snaps together at this point.

Republican strategist and Nixon aide Roger Stone told Jefferson Morley: "Nixon recognized Jack Ruby and knew him since 1947 as a 'Johnson man.'"

See: http://jfkfacts.org/fact-check-did-richard-nixon-know-jack-ruby/

In the same article, Morley also wrote:

Stone also said he has “a direct quote from Nixon who acknowledged in 1989 that his aide Murray Chotiner brought Ruby to him in 1947 and told him LBJ wanted Ruby hired as an informant for the House UnAmerican Activities Committee,” otherwise known as HUAC.

The U.K. Daily Mail published an article in part about Ruby's 1947 hiring by Nixon: Read it HERE.

Some people apparently STILL want to blame Organized Crime for the assassination of JFK. When we point out the connections Ruby had to the U.S. government, they squeal and hurl insults our way. Welcome to the club!

This whole massive cover-up is unraveling rather quickly now.