The three tramps mystery

[Steve Thomas]

Some researchers believe that two sets of tramps were arrested based on the timing and location of the arrests. One set was taken off a boxcar in the yards behind the TSBD shortly after the assassination. The three tramps we are familiar with were arrested in a gondola type car south of Dealey Plaza.

I believe that the same set of tramps were arrested twice - once by the Dallas County Sheriff's Department, and the second time by the Dallas City Police Department.

From Denis Morissette's site:

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senat.../Documents.html

William Earl Chambers was interviewed on 3/3/92 by SA Gary Gerszewski of the FBI and Lieutenant Kenneth Lybrand, City of Dallas Police Department.

William Chambers worked for the City of Dallas Police Department from October, 1954 until January, 1992. In approximately 1959, or 1969, he as assigned as a Detective in the Forgery Division

He was assigned to the Trade Mart and went back to City Hall after it was announced that JFK had died.

When Chambers and the other officers arrived back at the forgery division, “Captain Jones assigned Chambers to watch three hobos who were already at the station when Chambers arrived”.

Chambers questioned them together and found their answers confusing and inconsistent.

“their stories as to where they came from and where they were headed differed from individual to individual.

“When questioned regarding the circumstances of their arrest, the three individuals indicated that they were on a freight car sleeping when they were wakened by officers with different colored uniforms than the ones worn by the officers who drove them down to the station.

Question: Sleeping? what time was this? They got out of the Salvation Army and on the way to the freight yards heard that the President had been shot. It couldn’t have been more than an hour lapsed maybe. Different colored uniforms? Driven down to the station?

“They were briefly questioned by those officers who then told them that they better leave town. The three then boarded another boxcar and were shortly thereafter arrested by the City of Dallas Police Department”.

“Chambers believes that the Officers who first interviewed the hobos were members of the Dallas County Sheriff’s Department, who at that time had uniforms of a different color than that of the City of Dallas Police Department. The hobos were then brought down to the station.

During the course of the interview, Grinell came into Captain Jones office for a minute and discussed the possibility of conducting a “gunpowder” test on the hands of the hobos.

Later, Captain Jones came into the office and advised Chambers that they had arrested the individual who had shot Officer Tippit and that he was the one who had also shot the President. Chambers then advised the three individuals, “You’re free to go”. The three then left the office. Chambers never saw them again.

Question: What were they still doing in jail four days later?

Steve Thomas

[Steve Thomas]

I think the tramps case got so muddled is because they were, in fact, arrested twice that afternoon. Once by the Sheriff's Department, and again by the City Police Department. One time they were asleep on sheets of steel on a flatbed and driven to the station by police in different colored uniforms, and the second time they were hauled out of a gondola (coal car) and walked through Dealey Plaza.

Steve Thomas

 

Edited July 5, 2023 by Steve Thomas

[Paul Cummings]

The photograph of the Three Tramps being escorted out of Dealey Plaza aren't Doyle, Abrams and Gedney. Those arrest records weren't discovered until 1992 from DPD files released in 1989. 

[Jonathan Cohen]

1 hour ago, Paul Cummings said:

The photograph of the Three Tramps being escorted out of Dealey Plaza aren't Doyle, Abrams and Gedney. Those arrest records weren't discovered until 1992 from DPD files released in 1989. 

You have zero evidence that these photos aren’t of the men arrested in Dealey Plaza. Their family members, and some of the tramps themselves, confirmed that it was them. 

[Paul Cummings]

12 minutes ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

You have zero evidence that these photos aren’t of the men arrested in Dealey Plaza. Their family members, and some of the tramps themselves, confirmed that it was them. 

 I do except you choose to not accept it. I'll stand by the expert opinion of Lois Gibson. 

Edited May 14, 2023 by Paul Cummings

[Jonathan Cohen]

59 minutes ago, Paul Cummings said:

 I do except you choose to not accept it. I'll stand by the expert opinion of Lois Gibson. 

So, you're accepting the unsolicited opinion of one forensic artist over the actual documents and testimony refuting any ongoing mystery about the Three Tramps incident? 

[Paul Cummings]

2 hours ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

So, you're accepting the unsolicited opinion of one forensic artist over the actual documents and testimony refuting any ongoing mystery about the Three Tramps incident? 

Yes, if that's the way you need to frame it. I don't trust the DPD when it comes to JFKA.

Edited May 14, 2023 by Paul Cummings

[Jonathan Cohen]

59 minutes ago, Paul Cummings said:

Yes, if that's the way you need to frame it. I don't trust the DPD when it comes to JFKA.

So the Dallas Police just made up fake identities for the three tramps 29 years after the assassination and conspired with their very real families to lie about what happened in Dealey Plaza, then allowed those families, and the tramps themselves, to give television interviews? Great conspiracy, Paul!

[Paul Cummings]

6 minutes ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

So the Dallas Police just made up fake identities for the three tramps 29 years after the assassination and conspired with their very real families to lie about what happened in Dealey Plaza, then allowed those families, and the tramps themselves, to give television interviews? Great conspiracy, Paul!

I'm sticking with the expert Lois Gibson and her identification. The famous picture of the Three Tramps being arrested aren't Doyle, Abrams and Gedney. 

Edited May 14, 2023 by Paul Cummings

[Michael Crane]

44 minutes ago, Paul Cummings said:

I'm sticking with the expert Lois Gibson and her identification. The famous picture of the Three Tramps being arrested aren't Doyle, Abrams and Gedney. 

Please forgive Jonathan Paul.He ate alot of paint chips & lived under the power lines when he was younger.

He don't believe that the DPD would ever do anything wrong (even if LBJ ordered them)

Edited May 14, 2023 by Michael Crane

[Jonathan Cohen]

19 minutes ago, Michael Crane said:

Please forgive Jonathan Paul.He ate alot of paint chips & lived under the power lines when he was younger.

He don't believe that the DPD would ever do anything wrong (even if LBJ ordered them)

This is the kind of post that passes for "research" on this forum. Pathetic.

[Michael Crane]

"This is the kind of post that passes for "debate" on this forum. Pathetic."

Fixed.

Edited May 14, 2023 by Michael Crane

[Steve Thomas]

If the three people paraded through Dealey Plaza were not Doyle, Abrams and Gedney, any thoughts on who they were?

What happened to their arrest records?

Did they even get arrested?

Were they picked up and let go?

Steve Thomas

[Michael Crane]

16 minutes ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

This is the kind of post that passes for "research" on this forum. Pathetic.

I took a screen shot where it says JFK Assassination Debate if you need glasses.

 

[Michael Crane]

 of crimes

Edited May 14, 2023 by Michael Crane