Denis Pointing

Tom, I realize that in the official version Connally had to be seen to be hit by the second shot, if it was known that Connally had actually been hit by the third shot everyone would have known that at the point of impact he was not only hiding in his wife's lap but also he was, in effect, using her as a human shield. End of political career etc etc. I also see that when news of Tague's cheek "wound" broke (backed up by at least one policeman) the WC had to 'jiggle' their original story around to suite. But wouldn't it have been far simpler to have said Tague had been hit by shrapnel , rather than coming up with the "shot that missed" scenario which of course then had to include the ridiculous and complicated "magic bullet" BS. I know your not a mind reader Tom but have you an opinion on this? Denis

Duke, try this: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/scally.htm OOPS, sorry Duke, I've just seen Chris Scally's post above. I'll search some more. Denis.

Not sure if this is any help Duke, if not apologies. Denis. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

Bill, you may remember in a previous thread I stated that, IMO, the only place Oswald was an agent was in his own head. In other words Oswald was "playing games" with himself. That's not to say of course that this trait was not exploited by others at a later date. But I do belive that most of LHO's life revolved around him PRETENDING to be a spy/agent. Which would account for the somewhat amateur and untrained even erratic way he went about it. Grant me a small favor Bill, humour me if you will and read this thread thru again but this time from my viewpoint. There's a good deal here that would seem to back that viewpoint up. Denis.

The Altgens photo show sthat the limo has not quite reached Charles Brehm's location, so if one advances the Zapruder film forward just a little bit ... they will see Charles Brehm being passed. So the proof is that the Zapruder film matches Altgens #6 and its the interpreter who is wrong - as usual! Bill Miller Ups. These are the shadows of Brehm, his son, Moorman and Hill...I was wrong...and Bill Miller is right--- for the first time at this forum! Certainly NOT the first time Bill was correct, and likewise without question not the first nor last time you will be wrong. The alteration claims just get funnier and funnier, its like the Mad magazine of JFK Research! Mike No fair Mike, these alteration claims just could be true...in the TWILIGHT ZONE. LOL

What are you suggesting Ed, yet another alteration?

This looks good Tom, congrats. Is your book due for publication? Denis.

And who exactly do you belive "created" this "Badgeman/Gordon Arnold diversion" Don? Are you accusing Gary Mack? Or perhaps Jack White? Gordon Arnold himself perhaps? Have you actually put any thought at all into this? Denis.

Mark, does this help?

Do you not think it likely he just stepped out from behind some people Jack?

Or as long as Healy keeps posting here.

"Denise" Pointing ? I realize you have failing eyesight "gramps", that's obvious by the way you see things in the Z film which no one else does. But are they really THAT bad? You really are a poor old fellow aren't you. And this great researcher who has everybody "tied up in so many knots" and who really "know their way around subject matter" This would be your "chum" Rigby, right? The "researcher" who also believes SS agent Greer shot Kennedy, in the middle of a motorcade, with Jacky and the Connally's in the same car...AND NO ONE NOTICED!!! I guess their eyes must have been as bad as yours "gramps" LOL Look, I realise Rigby is probably the closest thing to a friend you ever had but your infatuation with everything he says is getting a little embarrassing. Why dont you just go back to Lancer or alt.conspiracy.jfk whatever and pester them for awhile. It must their turn for a few laughs now, and let the good folk at the ED forum get on with some real research...just go anywhere and take Rigby with you, PLEASE!! D-E-N-I-S-E, ya see son, Dennis is spelled Dennis in all english speaking countries.... trouble with the English language too, son? We're here to serve you Denise. Now don't go hiding behind Paul Rigby big guy... we gotta see what your film/photo credential look like.... We've no need for more disinfo agents... WHAT? No bio? You're on this forum with no BIO? Who are you Denise Pointing, we ALL have them, except YOU sonny! What say you John Simkin Denis Pointing has no bio! What is the lad scared of? I realise a persons mental age regresses as they get older "gramps" but going by this last post "gramps" if you regress any more you'll be seen crawling round the old folks home on all fours, wearing a nappy. And Ive never claimed to have any "film/photo credential" they are not needed to combat your nonsense Healy, all you require is a brain and common sense, the two commodities you very definitely lack. Now, instead of all this pathetically childish name calling and "Denise" gibberish, try posting something to convince me, some facts, figures, anything to back up your argument on Z film alteration. I know you cant post anything from your "famous" chapter in Fretzers, LOL, "book" as that's all been shown to be pure rubbish long ago, but surely you have something new by now, after all its not much to show for a life times work, is it Healy? Oh, by the way, I received an unwelcome email yesterday from one of your "fans" over at alt.conspiracy.jfk. I sincerly hope the accusations concerning you, circulating over there aren't true, although that would of course explain why your post's are so weired. I was also supplied with a link to a web page dedicated to famous Healy post's and statments, which, I am told, proves the allegations to be true. I'm sure you'll be relived to hear I've resisted the temptation to visit there, as I dont wish to be associated with the foul mouthed bunch from alt.conspiracy.jfk, nor sink to their level, which I suppose, also means I dont wish to associate with you either as you seem to be one of them. Why dont you just stay there Healy and leave this board to the more decent, serious researcher. You really dont belong here, you know. The ED forum standed requires a lot more than having the ability to think up ingenious ways of insulting people and adding a letter or two to their name for amusement. PS Who's Holmes by the way?

Truly excellent work Duke...thanks for the help, its appreciated. Denis.

Didn't Vincent Van Gogh say something like that just before he finished going crazy and cut his ear off .... don't end up like Van Gogh, David - GET HELP!!! (/quote] I really think its too late for David "Gramps" Healy to get help now Bill, the kindest thing would be if someone had him committed. Oh, and if Healy = Van Gogh, does that make Rigby his little sunflower. LOL. Denis.

"Denise" Pointing ? I realize you have failing eyesight "gramps", that's obvious by the way you see things in the Z film which no one else does. But are they really THAT bad? You really are a poor old fellow aren't you. And this great researcher who has everybody "tied up in so many knots" and who really "know their way around subject matter" This would be your "chum" Rigby, right? The "researcher" who also believes SS agent Greer shot Kennedy, in the middle of a motorcade, with Jacky and the Connally's in the same car...AND NO ONE NOTICED!!! I guess their eyes must have been as bad as yours "gramps" LOL Look, I realise Rigby is probably the closest thing to a friend you ever had but your infatuation with everything he says is getting a little embarrassing. Why dont you just go back to Lancer or alt.conspiracy.jfk whatever and pester them for awhile. It must their turn for a few laughs now, and let the good folk at the ED forum get on with some real research...just go anywhere and take Rigby with you, PLEASE!!

Bill, if I'm wrong about the following please set me straight , but I belive I'm right in saying the photograph you mention actually shows Craig in Fritz's outer office, not the inner office where Oswald was interrogated and Oswald is not in the photo. Also, the point about the 1.06 statement is that Craig said that just as the police found the rifle another policeman came rushing up the stairs to tell Fritz about Tippets murder, Craig then says he looked at his watch and saw the time was 1.06. But Penn Jones states correctly, that the rifle was not found till 1.22 !! The rifle allegedly found on the roof is VERY controversial, the photo that many claim showed it, turned out to be of a police officer holding a SHOT GUN, but the point here is that this is where Craig first says the Mauser was found. And surly if there was already a passenger in the station wagon when Oswald got in, Craig would have stated as much. This email from Craig's daughter is no small thing Bill, it really does cast dispersions on ALL Craig's claims. It's a bombshell. If of course it really is from her. You seem prety sure it is, may I ask why? Denis.

But Bernice, many of Roger Craig's claims have always been suspect, he once claimed to have first heard of Tippets murder at 1.06 pm, Penn Jones himself showed this to be incorrect. When Craig first started talking about the Mauser rifle he said it was found on the roof, only later did he say the sixth floor of the TSBD. There's also no proof he actually confronted Oswald about the Rambler in Fritz office. Apart from a photograph of an officer picking "something" up from the ground there's no real proof a .45 slug was ever found in Dealey Plaza. Yes, there was two other witnesses who saw someone getting into a station wagon, Marvin Robinson and Richard Carr but Robinson could not give a description and Carr said the man was "stocky and wearing glasses" clearly not Oswald. Having said all this, I always had a certain amount of faith in many of Craig's claims, as he always sounded so genuine in his interviews and because of the attempts on his life. I guess the truth is I wanted Craig's claims to be true. But now his own daughter (if she indeed is) has come up with this...well, I'm no longer so sure. Denis.

Thanks to all, a great help. Thank you. Denis.

Presumably there was some kind of lock down after the assassination. Does anyone know the extent? Were the airports closed, were there roadblocks? Does anyone know if it was THEORETICALLY possible for Oswald to have escaped/left via Redbird airport. Thanks. Denis.

Thanks for the apology Bill, I know it takes a real man to give one. Let's put it down to the hot chicken wings and move on. I said earlier that I respected your opinion and I meant it. So much so that I have been researching Huismann and Russo to see if I can find anything to suggest your claims about them may be correct. Although to be honest my theory (and I admit that's all it is) was formulated long before I saw their documentary. Thanks, Denis.

I respect your opinion Bill, which I gather from the tone of your post is more than can be said for yourself, regarding my opinion. But from what I read that's all you offer as a rebuttal..."just" your opinion. Sure, you do the expected character assassination on Huismann and Russo, suggesting they are disinformation agents. 'Yawn' Then you go on to make the following totally ridiculous accusation at me: quote. "IN FACT EVERYONE WHO SAYS CASTRO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR JFK'S MURDER ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE WHO TRIED TO KILL CASTRO. ARE YOU?" unquote. But very little of any real substance, certainly nothing to change my opinion to fit in with your own. And no one feeds me any "crap" Bill, as you so delicately phrase it, which is no doubt why I am not of the same opinion as yourself. Finally, I'm not trying to "feed" you anything. You can take it or leave it my friend, it makes little difference to me. Enjoy the rest of your barbecue. Denis.

John, yes, the Huismann documentary does make a great many mistakes and does indeed go way too far in many of its claims. However, some of the claims are essentially correct. Oswald was indeed recruited by G2 in 1962 but not as an assassin, only as a political agitator, hence the Fair play for Cuba incident etc. This role, however, didn't satisfy Oswald who always imagined himself as more of a spy/agent type. In fact this explains why Oswald always used false names and fake addresses...in his own mind he believed he was indeed a spy. When Oswald discovered the motorcade route was passing the TSBD, a job he got by sheer chance, he contacted G2 and offered to "take out" Kennedy. No one was more supprised by this offer than G2 and Oswald wasn't taken at all seriously, but G2 played along, after of course pointing out they could in no way offer any assistance nor be at all invovled, but promising Oswald a hero's welcome in Cuba if he pulled it off. A promise G2 did not expect to have to fulfill and had absolutely no intention of fulfilling. Cuba would have denied all knowledge of Oswald, except of course for the cover storey of the failed application for a visa to Cuba. The rest, as they say is history, Oswald did of course successfully carry out the assassination, much to the astonishment and delight of G2. Incredibly, the CIA actually knew all along Oswald was a G2 asset but failed to warn the secreat service agents in charge of the motorcade because they didn't belive Oswald to be a potential danger. One of the reasons why they were more than willing to go along with Johnson's cover up. Denis.

Here's a link to a very interesting interview between Jefferson Morley and Jane Roman. http://www.history-matters.com/essays/fram...RomanSaid_2.htm Jane Roman was a high ranking CIA officer also working in the C.I. office. During the interview, unlike her colleague Ann Egerter , Roman makes it plain that there was in fact a file on Oswald in 59. A quote from the interview: "She did this by checking to see if the agency had ever opened a so-called 201 file on anyone named Lee Oswald. (A 201 file, sometimes known as a personality file, is opened on anybody of interest to the agency.) Because of his defection to the Soviet Union in 1959, Oswald already had a 201 file at CIA headquarters." Denis Once again the main point is, "What was the pressing need that generated the creation of a 201 File in December of 1960 when there was already some sort of file by November 1959?" Pressing the matter further, "Why did the people who had access to the Oswald files in 1959 become so involved in the Warren Commissions investigation of the assassination in 1964?" Newman's book, Oswald and the CIA, suggests that Oswald's association with the U-2 program was of great interest to those were monitoring Oswald shortly after his defection to Russia. It seems that there is a great deal of information that suggests, based on interviews done by Newman as well as released documents, that Oswald had access to a great deal of information on the U-2. Newman also suggests that Snyders report generated a great deal of activitiy within the agency when Oswald suggested that he was willing to share information with the Soviets. For myself the downing of Powers on May 1 and the failure of the Paris Summit on May 15, 1960 may well be connected. If true it is not hard to imagine that Oswald played a role in the first event that then led to the second, perhaps without his knowledge. There are at least two reasons why the above rings true based upon action by Oswald himself: 1. His fear of being proscecuted when he returned to the United States. 2. His speech at Spring Hill College where he himself tied the two events together. Continuing thoughts that bug the heck out of me. Jim Root Hi Jim, I dont really know enough about the Gary Powers episode to get over involved with this one. But FWIW, here's a quote I spotted recently: " That's the biggest pile of bull," laughs Dino Brugioni, the CIA's chief U-2 photoanalyst of that period. "The Soviets already knew how to track the U-2s, so what the hell could he [Oswald] tell them? All he could give them was the fact that there were U-2s at Atsugi, and they already knew that. The actual photo targets were a tightly held secret, and there is no way a radar operator had that information." [unquote] Mind you, the guy is CIA of course. Denis.

________________________________ Tim, Maybe the assassination really did happen on November the 23rd, and then everything was just, well, altered.... --Thomas ________________________________ Thomas, PLEASE dont put ideas like that into peoples heads, there's more than a few here who may just take you literally. Denis.