David Josephs

2 hours ago, Mark Stevens said:

Even if the story of "Harvey & Lee" is true, neither of these boys went to Stripling. You need to at least consider that

As much consideration as you give that it was Harvey who attended Stripling...  

I'm sorry you find Kudlaty unbelievable ...  John just mentioned that it was Wylie who was principal in 1963 after Lucas' tenure - he was the Principal '53-'56 when Oswald attended -
 he had moved onto Arlington Heights...

He says Wylie on the tape because it was indeed Wylie...  yet Lucas had been there for years and Kudlaty and he were close... 

It not being consistent across all the platforms it's being presented is indeed a simple oversight.... and will be corrected.

As to the rest of your OP,   you are trying to impeach a direct witness with conjecture.. with your interpretation of how things SHOULD be... 

You start with Robert... I address Robert by trying to have you understand the relationship between the three "brothers"... by giving you context 
for this you give me grief... The conflict between the 2 older brothers is central to understanding how it was even possible for Kudlaty to be telling the truth.

You then proceed to say, repeatedly, that people don't mean what they are saying... that no one else was ever asked?  that's the rebuttal to which you want me to reply?

THIS is your point...
Further, numerous local personalities and people connected to Oswald have spoken to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram over the years, and as mentioned, newpapers across the country. Many of them have some connection to Oswald or a story to tell, none have Stripling stories.

It is clear the Fort Worth Star-Telegram articles which reference Robert Oswald’s statements regarding Oswald as attending Stripling are blown out of proportion to increase their otherwise neglible (sic) importance. At no point over the almost 60 years of coverage does the Star-Telegram update their reporting, and continues to this day to use statements Robert Oswald gave them in 1959. The paper likely was unable to get new statements, and continues to just run with what they have.

You seem to be forgetting his testimony in 1964...  Says the same thing...  has no idea about Beauregard... can you please try and remember it was 1959, not 2019?

So people COULD have said something... newspapers COULD have followed up... you truly do not comprehend the reach and power of the FBI in 1963.... the number of informants was staggering...  if Hoover's FBI didn't want you looking, you stopped looking...  I know you're not that naive....  man, I hope you're not that naive.

The rest of the OP is only your questioning the statements of direct witnesses...  

Summers is clearly confused about what he remembers. He references teaching Robert Oswald, when they weren’t at the school at the same time.

a semicolon can be used between two closely related independent clauses.  

The images below start with the 49-50 school year...  followed by 50-51....  Robert is listed along with Harvey... with different parents... 

Robert testifies to skipping 10th grade, 

Mr. JENNER. Would that be 1951, the end of your sophomore year?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; 1950 would be the end of the school year. That summer there I started a job with an A&P Supermarket there in Fort Worth.
I might say along this period mother seemed to be having difficulty keeping a job or making enough money and so forth to raise us. I stayed out of school that next year and worked for A&P.
Mr. JENNER. Out of school 1950-51?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.

Proceeding with you, at the end of the school year '50-'51--I assume you continued working there the summer of '51?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. And did you reenter school that fall?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I did
Mr. JENNER. Where?
Mr. OSWALD. Arlington Heights High School.  

Mr. JENNER. You attended Arlington Heights High School for the school year '51-'52?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; that is correct.
Mr. JENNER. And what about the year '52-'53?
Mr. OSWALD. July 1952 I joined the Marine Corps.

Robert is crossed out in the 51-52 records.... despite finishing the entire year....  strange
so if Mr. Summer teaches him Jan 50 thru Summer 1951...  one way or another... that's about 2 school years in his mind... so what?

Harvey Lee Oswald in 7th grade would be 1954.... September.  He would be with the woman on the right, while Lee remained with the woman on the left...
Context again Mark... and for those who don't know everything about the subject, it helps.

Looking again at the OP, you simply try to impeach these witnesses with conjecture and hyperbole....  and you neither spoke with these witnesses or the people who did

   We have little else to cover here...   now we know about Wylie.... and you still think these guys are the same...     

45 minutes ago, Greg Wagner said:

Hey, Greg. Gayle Nix Jackson established the Odio visit as having occurred on Friday, September 27th. She was able to pinpoint the date via a 2016 interview with Silvia's priest, Father Machann, and a 9/24/63 Corpus-Christi Caller Times newspaper article. See pages 252-3 of her book Pieces of the Puzzle for details.

Add this to the fact the FBI invented the journey from start to finish and Hoover goes out of his way to cover for the CIA... why?

Cause his boy Oswald was doing his FBI gig spying on Cubans... the CIA left him no choice but to put him on buses to and from Mexico...

L/9 was was of AZCUE's buddies...  none of his reports mention Oswald in Mexico either....

On the 28th he is driven to the Sports Drome in Dallas and is seen there on opening day...

Hoover called Mexico classic CIA double-dealing...   who the other 2 men were is not nearly as important as accepting that the Odio sisters saw Oswald....

If we could proceed accepting that our Oswald was not in Mexico on those dates, it may help other things come into focus...

FWIW
DJ

Nobody has thanked you ... and nobody cares for the orders you bark...

While you go round and round with Wylie and Lucas and Stripling... waiting and drooling for a post to come your way so thankfully you get to speak your piece....
(originality doesn't seem to be your strong point...  Other People's Work... that's where you live... )

Luckily there is an IGNORE function whereby we don't have to listen to you pollute thread after thread...

Frank said what sounds like Wylie at the beginning of that video...  Lucas took over in 1953.  Probably a simple mistake since this was now 10 years later...

What's not a mistake is your ineffective attacks on Kudlaty for not having done this that or the other...  for doing what he says he did... and you wondering, hypothetically, what else... what else can we use to trip Kudlaty up...????   

In the end, you simply can't.  Which principal is not nearly as important as FBI agents removing the accused's school records and job records in select areas of the country from 11/23 all thru the following week... while the FBI Lab takes fewer items than it returns to Dallas that following week...

Your inability to see more than a single puzzle piece at a time is what defines childish here Robbie...  Terribly sorry you can'y figure out how they fit together but if you follow along for a while

and stop interrupting, maybe you'd learn to see TWO pieces at the same time...    

With regards to the emoticons...  it's 2020, get over yourself already... 

💩

11 hours ago, Robert Charles-Dunne said:

You may think you know more than anybody about this aside from Armstrong himself.  You said so.  But if you don't know about Harry Wylie, you don't know something that maybe you ought to.  Stop wasting our time.

You got it RCD.... Now you can go right back to your tiny little world where nothing relates to anything else...  keep discussing the chlorophyll while the rest of us explore the trees and the forest....   what an amazingly myopic view of evidence you have....   

Obituary for Kathryn Lucas:  A Yucca beauty while in her freshman year, she met and later became engaged to Weldon M. Lucas, a student and athlete at North Texas. They married Dec. 24, 1932, and resided in Fort Worth, where Weldon, known as "Luke," coached in the Fort Worth Independent School District. In the mid-1940s he became a vice principal at McLean Junior High, in the '50s a principal at Stripling High School and in the early '60s a principal at Arlington Heights High School.

Can you post HARRY WYLIE's bio and occupation from 1953 to 1957....  y'know to prove he was actually the principal at the time... Lucas started in 1953...  maybe Wylie was 51 & 52?
Maybe, just maybe Kudlaty misspoke having had Wylie as his principal a few years earlier...

You can prove Wylie was the principal, right?

9 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

David obviously missed the posts regarding the second principal.

obviously...   but it's not mentioned in the post that starts this thread....

Was it just a mistaken name...   I've had enough of this bantering anyway...

Like trying to teach a rock to swim...

1 hour ago, Mark Stevens said:

My rationale for why he told the newspaper what he did I state in my review, he was ambushed by a reporter off guard and gave comments he wasn't qualified to make. The next day, at home, he didn't make the comment.

Can you explain why he didn't the next day?

Mark....  (we sure do like long posts, don't we?  

First... what qualifies you to determine beyond all other explanations that was what the man was thinking as he was speaking?
Then... follow up with a "prove a negative" question.  Nobody does that anymore... so last century... 

Sadly it seems you will not consider my arguments related to Pic and Robert and the huge break in communication between late '52 and '54.
Pic knowing his brother was not the boy at the Bronx zoo in Aug 53
Robert contradicting Pic about October 1952... if Robert was there, he knows his brother is not at Stripling since he was in NYC
  if he was not there in 1952 but 1953... spending time with his brother, taking him around the Bronx... still Stripling?

Yet with all this behind him by a number of years, and knowing now what he does, he says that after 6th grade he would attend Stripling....
Yes, Robert says "started attending" Stripling as if he knew first hand

Mr. JENNER. Now, the condition that you described as to Lee shifting for himself during the daytime, when your mother was away working and you were away working, and your brother John was in the Coast Guard, continued, I take it, when he began attendance and while he was attending W. C. Stripling Junior High School?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.

Yet Jenner knows better than that.... he has Oswald's whole life and not once does it say he went to Stripling....
He knows with the fortitude of RCD... yet does not call Robert on it...  it's not important to him...  or is it too important?

The WC determined that many witness' statements required alteration and revision... they were entitled to make wholesale changes to testimony and have the revised, self written account put in the final record...  learning this fact made me shudder... sadly, it's true.

In all of the WCR and H&E's there are only 2 reference to Stripling,  someone who talks about knowing Robert in 1959 - which has to be 1949 - and how violent a temper he had...
WCD887 p25...  and Robert's testimony.

Like so much testimony... it is simply ignored by the WC....  in 1963 Robert knows his brother was either in NYC or New Orleans, but says Stripling

Pic tells us that he too was off in Aug/Sept 1953 and saw his mother but never saw Lee...  Marge complains to John about Lee no having anyone to confide in.... this is within a few weeks one way or the other of Robert's 1953 visit....  it seems though that Robert moved his 1952 visit to 1953 for some reason...  IDK at this point.

We both agree he knows the boy in NYC and again in New Orleans did not attend Stripling....  yet you see Mark, Robert was talking about Harvey Lee Oswald.
So his comments and all of Stripling disappears from the record...

We are left to John Armstrong, 30 years later finding out yet another example of the FBI of the time acquiring and disappearing evidence contrary to the official company line.

(Can you say Minox camera??) 

I gave your essay starting this thread a fair shake yet the reasoning behind you're not accepting the story revolves quite a bit around your incredulity at the events... not the events themselves...  being amazing that something is or isn't in a file is fine... stating conclusively certain items could NOT be in those files is pure guesswork... 

Guesswork presented as Fact... as Authentic Evidence....  when it's not... it's your POV on the subject and your alternative explanation which may or may not fit all the known facts...

Please don't believe you are impeaching the word of the man who has nothing to lie about... and did not get calls from 2 principals (RCD???) but simply tells the story as he remembered.

The really interesting part is that there are always 2-4 people who feel it their duty to shoot arrows which fall woefully short each and every time...
Dangerous people with a little knowledge... a glimpse at a puzzle piece they don't like and have just enough to be able to try and knock it down....

It's no big deal really...  it takes so much time and effort to really want to understand the evidence...  even if you read the book...

So to one and all..... sorry it requires so much of your time and effort to GET it... and to think... 57 years later and we still don't know how many 'who's pulled the triggers...

Keep working at it...  the years 1947 to 1975 are filled with some of the most amazing "Conspiracies" related to JFK in one way or another...

Discounting the duplicity of H&L as a Cold War tactic already used by others is a bit premature I feel...

But that's me...  take care

DJ

2 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

^3. At the time I did not know who Wesley was. But other FBI “Harvey Lee Oswald” records identify him as SA Howard D. Wesley, then at the FBI Mexican branch office in Monterrey.”

Thanks Steve... great stuff...

FWIW Monterrey was where the Aussie girls were supposed to have gotten back on the Flecha Rojas bus to Mexico City

The typed and original passenger list for those getting on in Monterrey is posted below..

So, we bought the ticket on the bus at Laredo and that enabled us to stop off in Monterrey. But the ticket was from Laredo to Mexico City.
Mr. BALL. And from what company did you buy the ticket?
Miss MUMFORD. As far as I can remember, it was a bus company called Transporter del Norte.
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Mr. BALL. Well. you were shown pictures of a man later on by the Federal Bureau of Investigation agent, were you not?
Miss MUMFORD. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And they showed you pictures of Oswald, didn't they; Lee Harvey Oswald?
Miss MUMFORD. No.
Mr. BALL. You didn't ever see a picture of Oswald?
Miss MUMFORD. No.

26 minutes ago, Robert Charles-Dunne said:

Try reading the very FIRST post in this thread.

Did you even bother reading Mark's post that starts the thread before posting?  Obviously not

24 minutes ago, Robert Charles-Dunne said:

Explain how your key witness Kudlaty got the same call on the same day from two different school principals.

Not once on that page does anyone state that he received calls from 2 different principals... are you so desperate to appear as if you actually know something about H&L
that you'll make things up just to try and prove a point?

Sad really that you can't follow 3 different people on one single page of a thread    not to mention the hundreds of other details with which you can't be bothered....
You must be an expert at those large piece puzzles where you only need 3 pieces to complete...  any more than that and the puzzle is simply unsolvable for you...
If you don't understand the entire puzzle from one piece, why bother....   what a farce.

FWIW...  see if you can keep this all straight    #3 in particular as you can't be bothered to read for comprehension... geez!
Keep posting buddy... you'll talk yourself out of your own position soon enough... 

There were 3 Principals:  1 - Lucas for Stripling 1963, 2 - Bostick for Monnig 1963, 3 - Ricardo Galindo for Stripling 1990's

1.
He explained, "Early on the morning following the assassination, Saturday morning, I was telephoned by my boss, Mr. (Weldon) Lucas (Principal of Stripling), and told to go to school and meet two FBI agents. I lived close to the school at that time and arrived at the school before they (FBI Agents) got there.

2.
Frank Kudlaty knew the principal of Monnig Junior High, Mr. Ree Bostick, for many years and talked with him after the assassination. Mr. Bostick told Frank that FBI agents also visited his school and asked for Lee Harvey Oswald's school records. Mr. Bostick did know which records, if any, were given to the agents

3.
Galindo was the Principal at Stripling Junior High School when Armstrong was researching “Harvey & Lee” 
Way back on December 27, 1993, John Armstrong wrote to Ricardo Galindo, the then current principal of Stripling School, asking if there were any records for Lee Harvey Oswald's attendance the school.  Mr. Galindo telephoned John back and said that, although there were no records, it was “common knowledge” that LHO had attended the school. [Harvey and Lee, p. 97]

7 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Now let me ask you... why would Robert tell all those entities that his brother attended Stripling when he knew that it wasn't true?

In Robert's testimony, there is nothing said about BEAUREGARD JHS.  Yet he says he was there literally within a month of his finishing BJHS...  in fact, the 1955 telephone directory has "Margt Oswald" listed at 120 N Telemachus despite them living on Exchange Place since summer of 1954.

Mr. JENNER. Did you visit your mother and your brother in New Orleans when you returned from the service in July of 1955?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I did. I did not--yes, sir, it was in July 1955 when I made my first trip from Fort Worth, Tex., to New Orleans, La

He says he visits mom and brother in July 1955....  with nothing said about 1954... in fact his testimony is specifically steered away from 1954....
t's as if the boy Robert is talking about never attended Beauregard JHS... and of course, that's the case... the boy Robert says went to Stripling was not his brother...  and he and Pic knew...  Pic gets especially elusive as we get to 1954.

We have no letters FROM Pic to his mother, his REAL mother for that would not work... her address would be different than the return address on all the letters from Marge...  We have one dated July 1952 talking of coming to NYC... the next letter is May 1954... with Marge just now telling PIC they've moved back from NY...  (5 months ago supposedly.. and this from a woman who appears to have written scores of letters to PIC virtually every single month up to 1952, then again after May 1954....

This exchange should give you some idea how PIC felt about his brother Lee Harvey:  we've all seen the 1962 Thanksgiving photo...
We KNOW an Oswald and Marina and Marge were there...  just not Pic's brother.

Mr. JENNER - Did you see your brother at any time thereafter? (August 1953)
Mr. PIC - No, sir; I did not.
Mr. JENNER - Was there an occasion in Thanksgiving 1962 when you saw him?
Mr. PIC - Yes, sir; I can get to that. There are things happened prior to that.
Mr. JENNER - You did see him--
Mr. PIC - No, sir; I did not see him. I seen my mother.
Mr. JENNER - I see. All right; go ahead.

Sandy,  Robert is lying and PIC knows it...  PIC also seems to know something is off with his other "brother"....

But of course these puzzle pieces have nothing to do with the Stripling piece of the puzzle, right?

Lee Oswald never went to BENBROOK Elementary in 1945 as claimed... there is a single FBI report which claims:

Address on enrollment card is "Worth Hotel" AND 7408 Ewing which is not bought until 1948.  MO lists LEE's Bday as July 9, 1939 to get into school*

*This info is from an FBI report as footnote to p674 of the WCR.  CE1874 mentions O.H. STOWE superintendent TARRANT county schools claiming they had an enrollment card for October 31, 1945 with July 9 1939 as Lee's Bday.  The address was listed as ROUTE 5 BOX 567  (but of course that card is not in evidence)

yet the WCR has him entering 1st grade in January 1947...  over 2 years later....   7408 Ewing was not built until 1948

notice the DOB for HARVEY... now if he's 8 with the 7/9/39 Bday the record has to be between Sept '47 and Oct 19, 1947... otherwise NANCY LEE would also be 8 years old.

Finally, Marge divorces in June 1948 and specifically asks for her name back... yet HARVEY's mom is known as EKDAHL for a number of years in these records...

Bottom line Sandy....  the existence of HARVEY LEE has been as carefully hidden as the frontal head shot....  we all know it's real, proving it given what the FBI did to the evidence is another story entirely...

Take care

dup

dup...  

On 7/20/2020 at 11:13 AM, Steve Thomas said:

It is Mexico City File 105-2137

Russian Funds Transfer  ??

1 minute ago, Robert Charles-Dunne said:

I like evidence that withstands scrutiny without the demand made upon me to depend on a dozen other things in a pattern for it to be true.  If it can’t stand alone, how does one justify dependence upon it to show a pattern?

Guess you never put together a puzzle where one piece gives you no real clue about the entire image, but it fits and helps make the image complete...

Without that piece yet with all the others, the picture is still easily seen...  only not by you   

Maybe that's the problem...  you look to solve complicated equations by trying to find where it says 1 + 1 = 2 so you can understand it...

Sorry RCD...  in this one of a kind exception to virtually every rule...  this situation can't be understood with 1 + 1 = 2 simplicity ....  if you want simple... Oswald did it.... 
There, simple and easy for you...

As with Stripling and virtually every item of evidence you can name, there are "alternate explanations"...  A lot of it planned that way.

You not accepting evidence or witnesses does not negate what they say and represent...

You can't prove Kudlaty was making it up....
You can't prove Myra DeRouse wrong
and you still don't seem to understand 1954 at Exchange vs 1956...

Again RCD... no matter...  luckily, you are not the standard by which evidence and truth is determined...  that only exists in your mind.
Now that you've repeatedly proven yourself here....

What jollies do you derive by remaining here if you're never going to be satisfied with an answer in the context of the assassination?

Too bad too, you used to have something to say...

Just now, Robert Charles-Dunne said:

Do continue.    Do you even know a snake if it bites you in the asp?

You will not be convinced here at least....  so I have to ask... 

What caliber of evidence would suit you... ?
...would convince you we are dealing with the records of one person created from the lives of 2 people
...for a long period of time....?

For if there is no standard to meet...  why are you bothering with this at all?

14 hours ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

Yes, I can offer a simple explanation that does not require her to be an impostor and/or part of some doppelganger plot. She had a poor memory, made honest/simple mistakes, was nervous and under stress, some of her responses were recorded incorrectly, etc. etc. Haven't you ever made a mistake when recalling details about your own life? Can you remember the exact address of every place you've ever lived? As with every single piece of evidence that you claim supports the doppelganger theory, there are perfectly logical alternatives to the contrary.

IOW you never read her testimony and have no idea about the conflicts to which I refer....

You never read the book but feel qualified to critique it... 

You are terribly unfamiliar with the subject matter and seem only to parrot those who have a little knowledge and with whom you agree....  🦜

And yes Jon, given the time she was given, the address of everywhere I've lived is not too difficult....  the problems arise from the conflicts created...
and the outright lies she tells about her marriage, her children, her homes, her jobs... and on and on...  you'd know that if you took any time to research a topic
instead of just jumping in and hoping you know how to swim....   you obviously need some of those water wings....   

Since you really have no idea of what I speak..(and the others are here to argue the breadcrumbs)..... and you honestly think that the JFK case is filled with "perfectly logical alternatives" to the actual narrative... There is no point in discussing anything with you.... you have no grasp of the underlying situation whatsoever....     all good Jon....

....you aint gonna learn what you dont wanna know....   and since there are quite a few locations for you to find out for yourself...  you might take the time to brush up on the subjects you so vehemently denounce....

I can ask you the same I asked RCD who also chooses not to answer...

You will not be convinced here at least....  so I have to ask... 

What caliber of evidence would suit you... ?
...would convince you we are dealing with the records of one person created from the lives of 2 people
...for a long period of time....?

For if there is no standard to meet...  why are you bothering with this at all?

Bu-bye now...  

1 hour ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

Jeremy, don't forget that the overseers of the top-secret long-term doppelganger scheme also allowed the "fake" Marguerite Oswald to give an interview to a local journalist! 

Hey... thanks John  

Since you are so well versed in the evidence you MUST know about all the conflicts created by the "fake" Marge's WC testimony...  or better yet, you can explain how the "real" Marge would not know so much about herself, her children, her marriages, or her residences....

C'mon here Jon...  you must know SOMETHING about her history from reading or viewing source documents all by your little self

(oh, right, thanks for the update)

I had forgotten... you don't do research or check anything...  you only criticize and jump on the bandwagon with a few "atta boyz" for those knowing vastly more than you...

Thanks for adding so much to this thread and the forum in general...  

You're a shining example  ...  

14 minutes ago, Robert Charles-Dunne said:

What is not ever-present is your willingness to contend with questions for which you have no easy answer.

No easy answer....   

RCD... there is a book full of "no-easy answer" conflicts....  you say you were involved with the text but not to what extent and in which areas...

If you were aware, you chose not to follow up on the sources upon which the theory is based as it obviously does not suit your understanding of history in this matter...
or you did and found them not supporting the theory...

Fair?....  well fair enough

I see a conversation starting in 1945 which includes Edwin Ekdahl, Benbrook, Korth, the growth of Ft. Worth post WWII....
and the conflicting testimony of Robert O and John Pic.

You will not be convinced here at least....  so I have to ask... 

What caliber of evidence would suit you... ?
...would convince you we are dealing with the records of one person created from the lives of 2 people
...for a long period of time....?

For if there is no standard to meet...  why are you bothering with this at all?

15 hours ago, Mark Stevens said:

I've make a post about Stripling, and would like people to discuss it...here.

What I posted Mark, leads us to Dec 1953,, a year before Stripling...  I’d think we both agree that certain events lead to the scent of duplicity...  Stripling doesn’t just happen on an island.

I get the feeling you didn’t bother reading my post at all....  where we find Pc and Robert at odds over the fall of 1952 when Robert falsely claims he was not in NYC with Lee, mother and the Pics...  to Robert per his story, Lee is in NYC and not possibly at Stripling in 7th grade...

Pic says he was there... no matter, fast forward to August 1953.  Robert is with Harvey, taking his photo... Pic visits his real mother, Lee is not included...  Lee, says mom, has no one to confide in...   yet Robert is within weeks one way or the other of coming and living with Lee and Marge...  I see this as the real mother and Pic talking and not mentioning an event that will not happen to them...

Robert is visiting Harvey, the boy at the zoo, and Marge....

Robert knows about both boys, I conclude, and truly does not know where Harvey and Marge go in Sept 1953.... while Lee and mother Stay thru Jan 1954 then  go to New Orleans and Beauregard January 1954.

But Jenner keeps up the attack on the correct years

Mr. OSWALD. Just a minute, please.
In 1952 Lee was 13 years old. He would be attending W. C. Stripling Junior High School then. 
Mr. JENNER. I see. For the school year 1951-52?  (NO, 7th grade is 52-53)

But we are talking about 1954, September.....  gotta finish this on the laptop...

And even as far over as to miss TSBD entirely....  the scenario works well...  

add triangulation.... the south and north knoll ... and the actual direction of his head....  more left side damage ala Huber?

Good luck Mark...  again, I think Jim is doing a great service ...  John the digging....   whole point was to keep digging...
we may not agree on every item, but we understand the the picture.... 

why have so many intelligence related people been within 1 or 2 degrees of separation from this Oswald fellow.
NYC 1953 is a hole worth diving into some day.... 

I want you to consider that Pic and Robert conflict as to when Robert was in NY....  Robert tries to move it off to late 1953, (Pic does not see Lee after 2/53)
When Pic, wife, Lee Marge, and others where together in the late fall months of 1952....

Lee would be at school in NYC...  not Stripling.... and Robert would/should know that since he was there with Lee attending a NYC school...

Mr. PIC - I think this was, his leave was probably in October or November 1952, a matter of a month or two after they had moved out. We visited their apartment in the Bronx.
Mr. JENNER - Excuse me, where did your brother stay?
Mr. PIC - I think he stayed at the Soldier-Sailor-Airmen Club in New York.
Mr. JENNER - In any event he did not stay with you.
Mr. PIC - No, sir; he may have stayed with my mother also. I don't think so. Maybe for a night or two. We went out, my wife fixed him up with a date with one of her girl friends and we went out together a couple of times. So, we were invited up there for this Sunday dinner. So it was my mother, Lee, Robert, my wife, myself, and my son.
Robert was already there when we arrived. When Lee seen me or my wife he left the room. For dinner he sat in the front room watching TV and didn't join us whatsoever.

Even if NOT... Mark... he was there again in 1953... staying with the family... he'd still not know there was no Stripling?

Mr. OSWALD. This was July or August of 1953. I had my orders to go to Miami, Fla. I took a 10-day leave and left Millington, Tenn., by car and came to New York City and spent 10 days in New York with Lee, mother, John, and his family.
Mr. JENNER. Where did you stay?
Mr. OSWALD. At mother's apartment, with Lee, in the Bronx some place I do not recall the address.

Mr. JENNER. What, if anything, did you learn at that time regarding Lee's attendance or nonattendance in school?
Mr. OSWALD. Nothing on that, sir. This was in the summer time. Lee, of course, was home and not supposed to be in school. And I do not think anything was brought up that I recall about whether or not Lee had been attending school regularly or not.
Mr. McKENZIE. Can we go off the record?
Mr. JENNER. Yes.

           (Discussion off the record.)
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PIC is placing the time exactly when Robert would be visiting, or soon to visit and not a single word is mentioned from mother?  odd to me.

Mr. JENNER - During the time, on the occasions when you saw her, which was relatively infrequent from January of 1953 to, what is the next date you gave, September of 1953?
Mr. PIC - August-September 1953.
Mr. JENNER - August of 1953, September of 1953, was there any discussion with her about Lee?
Mr. PIC - When I asked about him it was the same old stuff, he is getting along better. She would tell me that he still doesn't have anybody to confide in, things like this.
Mr. JENNER - Was there any further discussion about truancy, any possibility of care for him by a psychiatrist?
Mr. PIC - No, sir; when I asked about this she said everything was working out fine.
Mr. JENNER - All right.

PIC had not seen LEE since Feb 1953....   Pic is referring to his real mother here... and the real Lee....  PIC was not with Robert or Lee (the boy in this photo at the zoo) while with his mother...in 1953

and Robert knew it.

(In Aug 1953 Robert's LEE was not the one from Late 1951 when the inset was taken....)

1 hour ago, Mark Stevens said:

Can we please not start on this note and at this keep this thread on the topic of Stipling?

Thanks

I read it Mark...  A lot of work, time and effort...  .

I'd like you to consider the interesting coincidences surrounding 2220 Thomas over the years while I take a day or so to work a reply.

Very interesting.....

Pithy, insightful post T.... 

you add so much to a conversation

13 minutes ago, Robert Charles-Dunne said:

Derp.

Derp.

Derp.

Where do you get off DEMANDING answers to questions already answered in multiple threads, multiple websites, books and in digital form

Reminds me of a line from that WHO song.... Who Are You?   Is this all you're going to do now after years and years of decent insight and conversation you're pulling a Fetzer?

Do you really think that all of H&L rides on whether there is proof which meets your level of expectation...   NEWS FLASH RCD... 

You must have missed this post....

The men and women who were children at the time and were spoken to directly helps confirm Oswald's life to and from school across from Stripling...
2220 Thomas is a reoccurring theme in Marge's life with her there the day of the assassination.
2220 Thomas is related to Korth
Korth was Ekdahl's trustee as well as lawyer

Just coincidences... 

So you don't believe Kudlaty, Schubert, Pitts, Gann.   You don't accept the FBI would take original records and leave nothing in their wake?  

You don't accept that 2220 Thomas was a repetitive theme from San Saba 1947 to 1954  thru 1963
You don't accept that his records would have gone to Monnig JHS and not Stripling... 
You don't accept the conflicts between the actual school record of LEE who attended all of 8th grade, and what Marge here tells the WC... (BELOW)

You don't even see them as possible...?
To each their own

    
           

From H&L:

NOTE: After Harvey Oswald "defected" to Russia in 1959, the short, dumpy, heavyset "Marguerite Oswald" impostor was interviewed by Fort Worth reporter Les Strother. In an article titled "My Values Different, Defector Told Mother," she told Strother about Lee Harvey Oswald's school life. She said, "He quit school at 14 .... he quit in the eighth grade .... but was so set on getting an education, he quit and returned three times. " This statement is very significant because, according to the Warren Commission, Oswald did not have an attendance problem or quit school in the 8th grade. He graduated from Beauregard in the 9th grade, and only dropped out of school in the 1Oth grade so that he could join the Marines.
 

The "Marguerite Oswald" impostor accurately described to reporter Les Strother in 1959 how Harvey Oswald quit and returned to school on 3 separate occasions. The most likely reason for Harvey's changing from one school to another was his inability to provide transcripts from the previous schools. We can now see that her innocent sounding, but very revealing statement, about Harvey was correct. 
 

·         The 1st school Harvey returned to was Stripling Junior High in Fort Worth (1954) where he dropped out after two months.

·         The 2nd school Harvey returned to was Warren Easton High School in New Orleans (1955) where he dropped out after a month.

         The 3rd school Harvey returned to was Arlington Heights High School in Fort Worth (1956) where he dropped out after a month to join the Marines.

39 minutes ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

Riiiiiight. The "Marguerite Oswald impostor" gives interviews to local journalists. Great thinking by the plotters, huh?

Having now been thru your 2010 posts/arguments with Jack... and jumping ahead to now where you are purely and simply contradictory to virtually everything and anything written in these threads....  do you see yourself as some sort of Crusader against perceived injustice?

All you seem to do - like these other boys - is to ask questions you were never interested in having answered in the first place....
and when answered for you, you belittle the response since it doesn't do it for ya...  

Can you please explain to anyone left who may care how you can come to such sweeping conclusions after doing next to nothing to analyze the subject matter
but ask incredulous, doe-eyed questions and deny the responses?

Reminiscent of the "I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I" kindergarten arguments... your replies are...   

Every few months we get a clutch of y'all running a muck with the same few topics trying to prove everyone else wrong since you have so little to say for yourself...

But then again, thanks for making it so easy

33 minutes ago, Robert Charles-Dunne said:

(btw - pointing out the very rhetorical sins of which you are yourselves guilty, in this very thread, displays an uncanny lack of self-awareness.)

Fire.... meet frying pan....  again... 

Robert... what's to defend...?  that's his recollection...  You can bring up all you'd like, Kudlaty was there, you weren't.
you're accepting or believing is inconsequential to the outcome...

The men and women who were children at the time and were spoken to directly helps confirm Oswald's life to and from school across from Stripling...
2220 Thomas is a reoccurring theme in Marge's life with her there the day of the assassination.
2220 Thomas is related to Korth
Korth was Ekdahl's trustee as well as lawyer

Just coincidences... 

So you don't believe Kudlaty, Schubert, Pitts, Gann.   You don't accept the FBI would take original records and leave nothing in their wake?  

You don't accept that 2220 Thomas was a repetitive theme from San Saba 1947 to 1954  thru 1963
You don't accept that his records would have gone to Monnig JHS and not Stripling... 
You don't accept the conflicts between the actual school record of LEE who attended all of 8th grade, and what Marge here tells the WC... (BELOW)

You don't even see them as possible...?
To each their own

    
           

NOTE: After Harvey Oswald "defected" to Russia in 1959, the short, dumpy, heavyset "Marguerite Oswald" imposter was interviewed by Fort Worth reporter Les Strother. In an article titled "My Values Different, Defector Told Mother," she told Strother about Lee Harvey Oswald's school life. She said, "He quit school at 14 .... he quit in the eighth grade .... but was so set on getting an education, he quit and returned three times. " This statement is very significant because, according to the Warren Commission, Oswald did not have an attendance problem or quit school in the 8th grade. He graduated from Beauregard in the 9th grade, and only dropped out of school in the 1Oth grade so that he could join the Marines.
 

The "Marguerite Oswald" impostor accurately described to reporter Les Strother in 1959 how Harvey Oswald quit and returned to school on 3 separate occasions. The most likely reason for Harvey's changing from one school to another was his inability to provide transcripts from the previous schools. We can now see that her innocent sounding, but very revealing statement, about Harvey was correct. 
 

·         The 1st school Harvey returned to was Stripling Junior High in Fort Worth (1954) where he dropped out after two months.

·         The 2nd school Harvey returned to was Warren Easton High School in New Orleans (1955) where he dropped out after a month.

         The 3rd school Harvey returned to was Arlington Heights High School in Fort Worth (1956) where he dropped out after a month to join the Marines.