David Josephs

btw - it would be nice if you stopped treating everything written about H&L as gospel, written permanently into stone...

This was where John left off...  he has them there thru Dec I'd suppose because where they went after Stripling is hard to prove beyond what was listed in the 1956 phone book: 
While not in the book it makes contextual sense that they'd be in town...  it was in the image I posted showing Marge in 54 and again in 56... both on Exchange Alley.

In the same book listing 120 N Telemachus is Marguerite Oswald 126 Exchange Place...

Margaret Keating Oswald was the first wife of Robert E. L. Oswald (father of
Robert and Lee Harvey Oswald), whom she divorced in 1933. The court restored her
last name to Keating, her maiden name, which she kept for the remainder of her life (she
apparently never remarried). The name Margaret Keating and her address, 120 N.
Telemachus Street, appear in New Orleans City Directories, telephone books, voter
registration records, etc., from 1933 thru the early 1960's.

In the 1956 New Orleans City Directory, which records listings for the last half
of 1955, the directory listed her as "Margt. Oswald," 120 N. Telemachus Street, New
Orleans. 55-21 This is the only occasion where the name "Margaret Keating" appears as
Margt. Oswald - a name she had not used for the past 23 years

47 minutes ago, Tony Krome said:

DJ

The H&L site has those strips showing where they were for each month. (you can see the Sept strip in my original picture collage)

So the months of Sept through to Dec 54 are allocated to 2220 Thomas Place

The rental ads run continuously from the 14th Sept 54 to 1st Nov almost every day. Only difference is the ad style and price drop.

This 4029 Byers has me intrigued, there is something going on over there, looking into that now

I've been looking and coming up empty prior to 1962 when the Jones' buy it...

As to the ongoing ad for renting the room...  if Stripling was what we think, "Sorry, it's been rented" makes an easy way out while Marge is living there. as it appears they simply didn't want to rent it for a while, from Sept 1954 thru Nov at least....

Do you find it strange that Oswald was able to run out and find places to live within days, yet this apartment across from a school in a great area stays unrented for so long...

hmmmm....

4029 Byers is in the QUEENSBOROUGH ADDITION FIRST FILING.... but while I can access the parcel cards for any subdivision in Tarrant Cty, the name of the subdivision remains elusive.

It's not QUEENSBOROUGH.... which was an addition to Arlington Heights...  but that's as far as I can find to this point.

Hope you find something...

DJ

IDK Mark... but one man looks like one boy... while the other looks like the other...

Can't make things much more simple than this....  do with it what you may... it's fairly obvious those 2 marines are not the same person...

17 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Thanks, DJ!  Can anyone spot the usual FBI bs here?

 

Forget the BS, how about the simple truth?

FBI is claiming his home room teacher for 2 years (or at least 1 year) described Oswald as "physically small" yet every one who knew LEE knew him to be as large as the largest kids in school as well as the toughest in a fight....  He enters 7th grade in 1952 at 5'4" and 115 lbs....  that sounds about the size of Myra who tells us little Harvey barely came to her shoulders

NOTE: Myra DaRouse, who last saw Harvey at Beauregard in June, 1954, said he
was 4-foot-6 to 4-foot-8.

Even when the contradiction smacks them in the face... they'd have none of it.

Fall 1951 on the left...   Aug 1953 on the right...  does puberty SHRINK boys?  

The boy at the zoo is not 5'4" 115.... as the record suggests...

On 7/30/2020 at 3:32 PM, Tony Krome said:

Update #1

In May 1954, Apartment "B" was occupied by Jessie Mae Scarbrough (born Hoggard) b.1914 - d.1998. She had divorced her husband Leo Jackson Scarbrough in 1947.

On September 8th, 1954, a refrigerator for sale ad at 2220 Thomas Place was placed in the Fort Worth Star Telegram.

On September 14th 1954, a week later, rental ads first started appearing in the same paper like the one in the above picture.

Prior to 1954, rental ads show up for the same apartment in October 1952, nothing can be found so far between these dates.

Occupant Apt "B" decides to move out and sell her fridge

Apr "B" goes up for rent Sept 14th....   (are there ads each week thru the 30th? and ads after the 30th of Sept?)

Marge and Harvey arrive saying they will rent Apt "B".... yet within a couple weeks she is telling Jessie Mae that she'll be leaving (where did you get "thru Dec 1954")?

On 7/30/2020 at 3:32 PM, Tony Krome said:

H&L have the Marguerite Imposter and Harvey Oswald living in Apartment "B" for the months of September to December 1954

H&L: The 1st school Harvey returned to was Stripling Junior High in Fort Worth
( 1954) where he dropped out after two months.

I haven't seen anything which suggests they stayed into Nov...  So Marge says they'd leave before the end of Oct...  the ads for Apt B continue yet obviously if the ads were still running in Nov they bought 3 months worth... or the room had not rented...  does not exclude Marge and Harvey from spending 6 weeks there...

Isn't that what you're saying?

3 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

It seems to me that Harvey might have really lived at another, nearby house

Tony... this has to do with the other house next to Stripling where Marge lived at some point...  if she was at 2220 Thomas on 11/22/63... it was not long until she is moved to the other side of Stripling... 4029 Byers... and was there for at least 10 years.

So as you say Sandy... "NEXT TO STRIPLING" could only mean 1 of 2 places.... yet I am still tracking down earlier records... at that time Ft Worth was subdividing and building like crazy... (the reason Ekdahl came down for Ebasco - FWIW) yet these transactions in April 1965 appear to all happen at the same time which is the case with a lot of the real estate evidence related to Harvey's "mom".

The search is on the name Marge C OSWALD...  The Jones' sold their house to RANCHERO HOMES who in turn sells to Marge in '65 with a correction to the property name from Queensborough Heights to just Queensborough.  These are the only 2 records I have found for that specific lot in that specific block.

https://tcrecordsonline.com/?linklocation=supermenu&linkname=Real Estate Search#everything

43 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Regardless, these details do not sway my position on the Stripling issue. I find Kudlaty's statements and the corroborating evidence to be very convincing.

As do I....   

49 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears to me that Mrs. Hubbard knew only that the house was next to Stripling. She didn't say what the address was.

The address of 2220 Thomas Place, behind Stripling Junior High, caused me
to remember my interview with Georgia Bell. In the fall of 1947 Georgia's neighbor,
Lucille Hubbard, drove the short, dumpy, heavy-set Marguerite to a house to pick up
some clothes after she got a job as a nurse. The house, according to Mrs. Hubbard, "was
next to the Stripling School."

Officially, Marge did not live at 2220 Thomas until 1963.  The BIRCHMAN address discussed below is not next to the school..but a 5 min drive down the road.

But 4029 BYERS is right across from STRIPLING - Marge does not show up on Deed until 1965 having bought from M/M Jones.
Given she was not on deed at Thomas as a renter, technically it could have been either house...

I need to know more about the history of the BYERS street address... it appears that Marge is there for the next 10 years.

Mention on more thing about the BIRCHMAN address...   All thru 1951 the Oswald's lived at 7408 Ewing as shown in CE1963

No mention of BIRCHMAN 1951...  yet the evidence is right there... even to the point where she sells BIRCHMAN in May 1951 to a "Robt E POWELL"
Yet none of the deeds have Marge's signature on them... not one related to this house... and IDA had only bought the house in May, to turn around and sell in Nov.

Wonder why they neglected to include BIRCHMAN....??

As for Byers being the only option other than Thomas... I'll dig into Byers today.

DJ

On November 1, Marguerite transferred the title to 101 San Saba, the Benbrook
property, to Otis R. Carleton for $2750, and apparently lost $1200 on the sale (she paid
$3950). Two weeks later, on November 15, Marguerite purchased a small house (only
664 sq. ft) at 4833 Birchman from Ida M. Bunting that was 6 blocks southwest of W. C.
Stripling Junior High. The purchase price is not listed in Tarrant County land records,
but the deed stated that Marguerite Oswald assumed two mortgages-one in the original
amount of$3500 (dated May 7, 1951) and one in the original amount of$690. This
($4190) was a tremendous amount of money to pay for a 664 square foot house in 1951 and
makes little sense.

After recording, the deed to the property was mailed to Marguerite at
4833 Birchman, an address at which she supposedly never lived.

On 7/31/2020 at 8:24 PM, Greg Doudna said:

Are you sure it was Oswald at the Sports Dome sightings?

No Greg, I'm not "sure"...   given what I know of the bus trips and Mexico city days... I do know our man Oswald was not down there..

(Maybe I'm wrong but aren't there usually a few weekends for Turkey Shoots?)  IDK.

and While it very well may have been an imposter, we know that our Oswald was not in Mexico on Sept 28th... but had just recently been in Dallas...

Could this Oswald be the one driving all over south Texas with a wife and 2 babies in tow looking for a radio job that week?  the entire week he is supposedly in Mexico and traveling from Mexico...  (Google: Oswald Alice TX)

It would make more sense that the Sports Drome Oswalds were all the same person, Lee possibly or Igor Vaganov (Google him if you really want to go down the rabbit hole)

Here are some names and faces of those considered possible impostors depending on the circumstance...  This image represents an enormous amount of history related to LHO and the many strange happenings in Dallas/Ft. Worth/Oak Cliff.

And now one final leap into the abyss...  Ferenc NAGY of Permindex fame asks the CIA if Permindex can be of help (part of the World Trade Org which brings SHAW into the game at the NOITM)  At the time of the assassination, NAGY is living at 600 Ft Worth Ave...  if you take N Beckley north almost to the end and turn left... he's right there.

NAGY was a cleared contact for the CIA's International Organizations Div with file #201-11893...   NAGY and VAGANOV are in Dallas, in Oak Cliff on Nov 22....
Steve Wilson next to Harvey is also an amazing story worth knowing about....  as well as H. LEE in room O at Beckley...

You can see the number of silken threads going into this spider's web.  Take the time to learn about these people and your understanding of the possibilities for who did what will drastically increase.

I hope this helps with what was going on out there in '63...  a mindset - I dare say which is virtually impossible to replicate in one's own 2020 mind's eye....

DJ

19 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Well of course Voebel knew he had befriended two different people. Because they WERE two different people. The first one went by the name Harvey Oswald and the second by the name Lee Oswald.

 

When you strip away 50+ years and one's inability to think as if it were 1963... this post is fantastically pure and simple...

Oswald was a fairly common name along with its variations...  and the two "Boys" Ed sees couldn't have been more different in size, shape or demeanor...

The time frame is early 1954 versus late 1954.... the little 14-year old boy Ed knows in Feb '54 who had a piano fall on him, is not the much later almost 15 year old Lee he meets 10 months later...

The FBI reports are a mess as usual... mixing 54-55 with 55-56 as they never can seem to understand the difference between a school year and a calendar year.

1 hour ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

That isn't what Voebel says

Yeah, "what Voebel said"....   no he didn't say those words but did mention the differences in the two boys.. he didn't have to... they were obvious and Jenner was avoiding the subject...

H&L p121:   The person Albert Jenner had in mind when questioning Voebel was the accused assassin,
Harvey Oswald. The pattern of conduct for Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald was
very different from that of Lee Oswald. Harvey continuously criticized the US government,
continuously discussed and promoted communism, continuously supported Russia
and Cuba, and threatened the life of US Presidents. Harvey Oswald carried Marxist
pamphlets in his back pocket at age 13 in North Dakota, allegedly read communist
books at age 14, ·wrote to The Worker at age 15, discussed communism with high school
classmates in Fort Worth at age 16, promoted communism and tried to join a communist
cell in New Orleans at age 17, supported Cuba and read Russian literature while
in the Marines in California at age 18, defected to Russia at age 19, worked in Russia
at age 20, married a Russian woman at age 21, passed out Fair Play for Cuba literature
at age 23, and was accused of assassinating President Kennedy at age 24. Russianspeaking
Harvey Oswald had a life-long interest in communism, and was was very different
from New Orleans born Lee Oswald.

Jon, were ever aware that there are a couple hundred of Armstrong's notebooks at the Baylor archives... The recent reorg there tho makes them virtually impossible to search, sadly.   Before that happened I downloaded a large number of these notebooks as there are documents contained within that are not available anywhere else... John and Malcolm spent years copying everything they could from the archives...  - what was it YOU have done to forward your understanding other than denounce that which you fail to understand?

There really is so much you simply have not even looked at let alone dig into and understand...  

In these notebooks we find the FBI repeatedly writing "55-56" when they meant "54-55"...  not a huge deal but the different between New Orleans and Ft Worth in his life...

 Memorandum
TO SAC (89-69) DATE: 11/25/63
FROM SA NATHAN 0. BROWN
SUBJECT: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY, 11/22/63,
DALLAS, TEXAS
EDWARD VOEBEL, who resides at 4916 Canal (location
of Quality Florist Company) advised he knew OSWALD at Beauregard
Junior High School during 1955 and 1956

Having graduated in June 1955... Oswald got a job at TUJAGUES 

H&L p.120

Voebel, who was Oswald's best friend in New Orleans and visited his home on
many occasions, knew these stories were not true. Voebel told the Commission, "I have
read things about Lee having developed ideas as to Marxism and communism way back
when he was a child, but I believe that's a lot of baloney ..... .! am sure he had no interest
in those things at that time." Commission attorney Jenner asked, "You heard the
rumor, or read about them at any rate, that Lee Oswald was studying communism when
he was 14 years of age, did you not? ... Did you see any evidence of that when you were
going around and associating with Lee Oswald?" Voebel replied, "No; none whatever.
As far as I know, I was the only one who would enter his home, around that age, so I
would be the only one to know􀁇 and I can say for certain that the only things Lee would
be reading when I would be at his home would be comic books and the normal things
that kids read."24

4 hours ago, Mark Stevens said:

So while we can continue to create new threads in a bid to push other relevant information out of sight (sliding anyone?) while avoiding all legitimate discussion of the topic(s) which have already been presented, we can't change the fact that a little bit more of "Harvey & Lee" dies every day. Regardless of anyone's obstination, and refusal to release grasp on the necrotic limbs which are the Stripling and Beauregard tales, evidence continues to come to light which seriously questions and negates the "facts" as presented by Armstrong and team.

And there will always be 2, 3 or 50 sides to the JFK related "events"...  in fact, I bet you can't name 3 things that does NOT have conflicting evidence...

So what?   That H&L dies within you every day is no real surprise Mark.. you like to place events on their own islands and refuse to consider them in context...  please prove me wrong.

As to BJHS in the Fall of 1953...  I believe I have mentioned that I am not in agreement with the conclusion that those records prove a student was there the entire Fall semester...  what I see is the boy starting in January as mentioned yet the Fall semester would not have ended until end of Jan, early Feb giving the student enough time to attend a few classes... with the last line of that NYC transcript at PS44 being one of the only pieces of truth on that document.... LEE's records are complete for the 53-54 school year...

Harvey and Marge are on another track entirely...  so...  can you explain the student records at the bottom of this post or not?  Why do we not have a First Name LEE Oswald in Ft Worth all thru grade school? And who is Nancy Lee Oswald?  Answer these and we bring context back into the discussion... don't and it's SSDD...

PS - here's something for you to ponder...  It was claimed that LEE goes to 1st grade fall semester at Benbrook Common school... but that would be Fall 1947, not '45.

Furthermore, the supposed evidence for this enrollment (which is only mentioned and not shown) is claimed to have info from years in the future...  the 1945 letter is shown below.

Given your vast H&L knowledge... please locate the address Marge writes on Grandbury Rd....    H&L is a narrative, not a single document... if you ever get around to accepting that, these discussions may get more productive...

49 - 50

& 50 - 51 are virtually the same

  this is 51-52.... 

Appreciated Tony... was just offering some background on 2220 Thomas and how one Oswald family is at one location while the real family is on 8th street... 

That Marge would go there in 1947 creates some thread and connection to 1954...   how did her belongings get there in the first place?

When up to March of 1948 when they divorce... she is living at 3300 Willing.  In August 1947 John and Robert are home from Chamberlain with PIC working at an Ice Cream parlor at 1905 8th Ave.

There are 2 families leading separate lives as early as July 1947....  with 2220 Thomas squarely in the picture...  by 1954, September thru early Nov... if the plan was indeed to create a doppelganger to infiltrate USSR to gain much needed intel, there SHOULD be little to no evidence remaining that would put them there beside the faded memories of eye witnesses, and the ongoing strange events tied to that address...

DJ

edit:  but if it's out there seems you'll find it...  again.. well done  

On 7/31/2020 at 12:03 PM, David Boylan said:

So, if de Torres was Leopoldo, who would he be Angel/Angelo?  Who was de Torres hanging around with in 1963? It wouldn't be Murgado.

More than a few researchers believe it was Herminio Diaz-Garcia.

Joan Mellen, Key West Citizen (2nd September, 2005)  (Spartacus)

Angelo Murgado and a fellow veteran of the Bay of Pigs, in September, were the men who traveled with Oswald from New Orleans to Dallas where they visited Sylvia Odio. (Mrs. Odio testified that the three traveled together although Angelo says that when he and Leopoldo, who drove from New Orleans together, arrived at Sylvia Odio's, Oswald was already there, sitting in the apartment. That "Leopoldo" and Angelo both knew Oswald, there is no doubt). Their objective, or so Angelo thought, was to search for help in their anti-Castro efforts; they talked to Mrs. Odio about buying arms to overthrow Castro. Angelo believed he could trust his companion, referred to in the Warren Report as "Leopoldo," because not only was he a fellow veteran of the Bay of Pigs, but his brother was running for mayor of Miami. He was respectable.

In this image, the man on the right is Ed Collins... the other option for Angelo....

Tony... in 1947 marge’s neighbors at 101 San Saba are Georgia Bell and Lucille Hubbard, if I remember correctly. 
 

Bell and Hubbard talk of the time Hubbard drove Marge to 2220 Thomas to pick up some things for the San Saba house.

This would be between July 1947 and Dec 1947....  when the newly divorced Marge Ekdahl Oswald was at 1505 8th street.

How is that reconciled in your research Tony?   Great job btw...  thanks for the deeper dive into 2220 Thomas...  u are aware that FBI SA Fain lived nearby at 1721 Thomas?

Here is the purchase history for 101 San Saba and a photo of Lee and dog when they visited That house in ‘49.

The car in this photo is not the same as the one in the Ekdahl marriage photo...

Finally to bing it full circle, below we see that Korth  (Who is related to 2220 Thomas by 1 degree of separation) and Ekdahl
stayed involved with each other buying land in and around Ft. Worth....  Korth represented Ekdahl in the divorce... As well was his Trustee in death...

On 7/30/2020 at 3:32 PM, Tony Krome said:

Later after the assassination, on the very day Marguerite Oswald vacated 2220 Thomas Place, the family of Edna Pendleton contacted the FBI to inform them of her movements.

A Mrs. Mary McCarthy Jr. owned Thomas at the time of the assassination,  a close Fried of Korth.

53 minutes ago, Greg Doudna said:

Surely some mistake?

Hi Greg,   (Oswald did not get to Houston for a bus to Laredo the night of the 25th as I will show below)

The link does say “said the range was opened Oct 26” But that didn’t imply this was the first day opened...

Same man telling us about Oswald.... and that the “first time” He saw him was end of Sept....

Mr. LIEBELER. The Commission has information to the effect that sometime during November 1963, you saw a gentleman at the rifle range whom you subsequently came to believe was Lee Harvey Oswald; is that correct? 
Mr. PRICE. That's right. The first time that I saw this person was in September, the last week--the last Saturday of September, and that was the afternoon that they opened the rifle range. 
Mr. LIEBELER. On the last Saturday of September? 
Mr. PRICE. Yes. 
Mr. LIEBELER. That would be September 28? 
Mr. PRICE. Yes. 

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see this fellow again? 
Mr. PRICE. On two other occasions--one was 2 weeks later and at turkey shoot. It was Sunday, though, it was on a Sunday. 
Mr. LIEBELER. It would have been in October sometime, then, is that right? 
Mr. PRICE. Yes, it would. 
Mr. LIEBELER. The last Saturday in September, which is the day you indicated was the first time you saw him was the 28th of September? 
Mr. PRICE. Yes; that was the day they opened. They opened in the afternoon. 
Mr. LIEBELER. And 2 weeks later would have been the 12th of October, and the Sunday following would be the 13th of October; is that right? 
Mr. PRICE. Yes, somewhere around there. They had a turkey shoot and I went down to participate in a turkey shoot and he was sitting in Booth 6 or 8 and was firing on a 100-yard line with a heavy bore rifle and I didn't talk to him then, but the third time that I saw him there I did.

According to the source you quoted, Price says they open for business Sept 28th...  

Consider this timeline....

The FBI has no idea where he is on 9/24... and he doesn’t take a bus on the 25th... 
He leaves with 2 men Going first to Austin, then Dallas.  It’s a 10 hr drive to Austin...

After driving all night, they arrive in Austin, hit a “safe” house, and Oswald goes to SSS at 1pm

The 25th, a Wednesday, they stay in Austin... on the 26th Oswald has his coffee and leaves his impression (L &B Day testified as friends of Stella that they remember him too.. they said he kept looking into the kitchen...)  It is possible that only 1 man drove with Oswald and they picked the other man up in Austin...

Odio remembers it being Thursday as the call which followed occurred after she got home from work...

Austin to Dallas is only 5 hours... more than enough time to do whatever work he was doing and be at her door that evening...  

Other evidence comes from Father Machann, and the Janet Leigh event on 9/27.

It all leads to the Odio visit on the 26th.   There were numerous locations in and around Dallas where Oswald could have stayed and worked with his group doing his FBI job... until the following weekend.... when we find the return bus trip even more poorly conceived than the way down...

I went back and reread the 8/28 bit...   in late August Oswald is with Ferrie and Shaw in Jackson and Clinton.... and then Houston... I don’t see how that has to do with this trip...

The bus trip was a concoction to CYA the FBI....

The real deal is that Oswald was an informant for the FBI, or believed he was...and was infiltrating Cuban groups... The CIA simply boxed Hoover into doing its bidding...  as was the case in many areas...

Dj

9 hours ago, Greg Doudna said:

I say Oswald was in Austin Aug 28

I assume you meant Sept 28... a Saturday.... would not be related to an Austin SSS visit... he was in Dallas and offices for business are closed... just like Mexico.

Odio sisters prove that Oswald as we knew him was there on Thursday the 27th...
There are reports of him in Dallas Sat the 28th at the Sports Drome...

Start in New Orleans... we are told that the thrifty Oswald would buy a round trip ticket since it was cheaper than 2, 1 ways... yet as u are reading, Major Green tells us the only 2 buses destined for Mexico would not work on the timeline... so they find a bus to Houston that kinda works...  this man literally has to buy a 1 way ticket 4 to 6 times to get there and back to Dallas...

At least that’s what the FBI’s evidence shows... after trying and ditching a number of alternatives... because the timing didn’t work.. bottom memo is a great example...   that and it’s provable that Oswald was not on any Flecha Rojas bus coming south... as he could never meet the 3:30 bus out of Monterrey leaving at 2pm from Laredo... it’s a 3-4 hr drive....

And since the Aussie girls say they took del Norte bus... they are lying about seeing Bowen and the MacFarlands...  Bowen traveled with a Companion?
 

one small tidbit... when Hoover wrote that the CIA double dealt him re Oswald’s trip to Mexico, it was Jan 14th... 1 week later at exec session it is brought up that Oswald was an FBI asset....  the FBI has no choice which is why so much of the documentation is from March-May ‘64.  Hope that addresses your concerns...

DJ

15 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

And personally, I am sick and tired of talking about something that never occurred

Comparing the caliber stamp on the sight in WCR to the sight on the rifle Day carries out of the TSBD

38 minutes ago, Pete Mellor said:

D.J. Looking forward to the Zoom meet on Saturday.  Part way through your K.& K. article, so any questions will be on Saturday.

Sounds good Peter....  looking forward to it as well...

DJ

Sorrels gets 2 copies, 1 is immediately sent to Rowley.   Zap should have original and a best copy...

Except that’s not what Max writes....    3rd Print?

I thought you made a good adjective in this case...

1 hour ago, Greg Doudna said:

Josiah Thompson from the first generation of researchers is top tier to me.

Indeed Greg... I had the pleasure of meeting him in SF when I presented info on Mexico, and the Carcano a few years back...  yet I believe he and many of his peers are giving these subjects serious second thoughts... especially in light of C.Davidson's MATH RULES work which shows the math involved in the "syncing" discussed...

"At least thirty-eight people were taking pictures that day in Dealey Plaza" -Thompson

Now while that may indeed be the fact, these (image at bottom) are the photographers known to us who had images between Zapruder's 133 and 486:

Films which needed to sync : Nix, Muchmore*, Bronson... (*Muchmore herself says she didn't get film of the shot at z313)

And even in Muchmore we find frames where everything is in focus as she is panning when either foreground or background must be blurry by definition.

Nix is something you only need google or search here....  amazing story...  and also just a small portion of the z-frames prior to 313...

Bronson, I can find only a few frames and it's as he is hit...  

The one not mentioned was Towner and the infamous turn...  I wish I had the words to explain what MATH RULES sets out... but they were indeed synced to each other just as Josh said they'd have to be...  the photos and the testimonies do not match... the surveys and the conclusions do not match... and the zfilm simply
does not show what the WCR tried to hide in CE884....

I forgot I had reference to what the doctors said that day....   a trans-versing .25" bullet would leave quite a nice little channel thru the body...  finding no sign of this would require a frontal shot....

Johnson asked Hoover I believe - "I say, if Connally hadn't been in his way"   Hoover: "Oh, yes, yes... the President would no doubt have been hit"

Johnson: "He would have been hit three times."

finally, 

56 minutes ago, Greg Doudna said:

David J., what is the point about the Grassy Knoll fence being "absurdly close"? Explain?

I forgot to get back to this...    just a comment about the overall size of the place and the "reach out and touch him" distance it feels from fence to middle of Elm...

Of all the shot locations described... the fence line on the North grassy knoll and the last few shots... especially "back and to the left"... seems to me the closest and most hidden of shot locations... as well as the easiest with JFK only getting larger as he comes straight to the shooter...

I see sky, not badgeman or hatman in Moorman...  what I do see is the top of a hat just over the fence behind the tree...

 And in the last few frames of Z.... a similar object moving can be seen... (below)

Given what we know of JFK's wounds, an entry above the right ear and near the temple.... from the fence.... is most probable...
and since the limo gets absurdly close to this shooter...  it represents the easiest of the shots as well...

As well as a little curious... if you had been there yet....
DJ

On 7/27/2020 at 2:35 PM, Greg Doudna said:

If I am correct in this theory, and the Z film is authentic
---
David J., what is the point about the Grassy Knoll fence being "absurdly close"? Explain?

First off thanks to those helping out Greg with links etc...

I think Greg, that you'd need to do more digging into Bethesda... and look at the ARRB testimonies...  Searching the forum is a great place to start...

The throat wound was expertly described by ER staff as one of entry...  discussing it as an exit would would be contradicting the only truth we had by that afternoon...
===
As to the zfilm being authentic....  it is currently in 9 pieces at NARA and NEVER had the 0183 stamped on any part of it...

In fact, 0184 must have been printed based on the mechanics of the machinery.... Mrs. Z has something interesting to say:

There is also the case of the film sent to  SS Chief ROWLEY friday overnight...  and the films which show up at NPIC Sat night (Dino) and Sunday (Homer).

There is little if anything to "authenticate" that film as original.

Again... good luck, yet I think there is sufficient info to find on this forum which may have you rethinking some of the conclusions you've come to...

Take care

DJ

On 7/18/2020 at 3:07 PM, Colm Byrne said:

Which scenario works well, please be more specific.

The idea of the image was to show that a south knoll shot is not out of the question... 

It's really up to each of us to "see" which scenario works...  and have at least some compelling evidence with which to back yourself up....

The search function in this forum is very good....  you can find quite a lot of material on most every aspect of the case...

That south knoll shot may have cleared the windshield and have been Cliff's shot to the throat with the windshield hole/crack being from another source... IDK

Triangle though...  East (Dal-Tex/Courthouse/street level), North (knoll) and South (knoll)...

The shot from the fence is absurdly close... once you've been there and seen it....

Hope that helps
DJ

1 hour ago, Mark Stevens said:

A quick glance at any calendar tells me that 1952 and 1954 are in fact different years.

1 hour ago, Mark Stevens said:

This is ridiculous. At no point do you have to prove a statement wrong to impeach the credibility of the statement. All you have to do is bring reasonable doubt.

Yes, this is.   Reasonable doubt does not "impeach" anything... 

Reasonable doubt is the highest standard of proof, requiring that guilt be proven to the satisfaction of a rational person. Clear and convincing evidence is somewhat less rigorous. It requires that a judge or jury be persuaded that the prosecution case is true.

"impeach the credibility"  ??   

Witness impeachment, in the law of evidence of the United States, is the process of calling into question the credibility of an individual testifying in a trial.

1 hour ago, Mark Stevens said:

You aren't here today, posting on a JFKA forum because someone proved Oswald didn't do it. At least, I find that doubtful.

And here we have the crux of the matter Mark...    you're attempt at introducing reasonable doubt has no bearing on the credibility of anything any of the witnesses said because you fail to give the audience - those you are introducing the doubt to - the proper context for what was said.

Your incredulity doesn't change the dynamics of the context....  a point you sorely miss, repeatedly.

As to your naive and assuming comment, of course we've proven it was not possible for Oswald to have done it...  proven it in a number of different ways.
...and we remain here to continue to dig and reveal...

What you find doubtful ....  is highly subjective....   the neglect of context appears to be your calling card in this discussion...
and you still aint gonna learn what you dont wanna know....

Thanks for the discussion...