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Wanted to add this visual... Actual measurements within Gauthier's model based on the info provided in WCD298.
There is a lot of contradictory info in this one image.... Part of the measurements was the distance from Zapruder to JFK...
Here's a bit more detail into what was done to hide as much as possible. As Chris says... creating one shot from 2...
(and it stands to reason if the shooters where radio connected... a "fire" command would be carried out by all shooters simultaneously... making many shots sound like fewer.) -
3 hours ago, John Butler said:
Chris,
Shot 2? Frames 56 thru 73? Shot 3? (frame 89). Are they using a different reference for Zapruder frames? What's with these numbers? Are they referring to frames past the Stemmons sign?
What are they talking about? The p. limo was on Houston Street when Zapruder 56-73 were taken. This has to refer to something else?
Surely these guys were using something else as a reference for frames. Were they working with a different Zapruder film?
Since this January 28, 1964 is going to several Asst. Directors of the FBI it must be a serious document. It mentions various WC legal staff as agreeing. It is obviously not the official story. They didn't like the idea of one shot hitting Kennedy and then Connally?
Frame 225 plus 56 or 73. Frame 281 to 298? That makes more sense according to Zapruder.
Could you post the docs without the gif so that the second page can be read at the bottom. Or, post a reference to find these docs.
Hey John... following Davidson's lead and the WEST surveys the question is whether or not a 3rd shot near 5+00 existed or was added to there were 3 shots... it was later removed and became the TAGUE shot...
56 frames from 171 is 227. 56 from 161 is 217... Halfway between is 222... 313 minus 89 = 224....
The numbers we know as the Zfilm frames was designed on purpose. Instead of Z133 being the frame the limo reappears, it was actually close to 33 frames later...
the real mystery is 133 since we all know the camera was not turned off and on again.It takes the cycle 81 frames to make that wide turn onto Elm so we may infer from TRULY's wide turn story that there were at least 50-80 frames spliced out of that turn from Zapruder.
Creating the relationship between Z100 and Z161/166/168 & 171 is the reason CE884 was hidden and changed. Traveling .9' in 3 frames at 15mph or even 11mph doesn't work...
those 2 speeds are 2.24mph for the stuff marked on the street... 168-171 and a bit over 3 mph for 161-166.Either way the limo was barely moving as it comes out of that turn onto Elm (that's why Towner's movie is so strange... the background gets bigger while the limo gets smaller; that's not possible as whether zooming or moving toward to objects, they both would get larger within the image... This is also exactly where 133 runs to 171 in Z... )
Then there's the entire thing about Shaneyfelt moving the path of the limo south so line of sight for 161 becomes 168...
By shifting the spot to indicate the frame numbers from where JFK sat to front and rear bumpers, the FBI and SS were able to create complete confusion... the data offered does not represent what is seen on the zfilm... WEST used the location markers "3+00" for example to plot the limo course every 25 feet... except for 5+00
Shaneyfelt moves the path by inserting dots with frame numbers as the limo's from bumper reaches them... while the SS reconstruction used the rear bumper.
It's 15.5 feet from front to JFK and another 6 feet to the rear bumper. the image below is true to scale.
Is it a coincidence that the movement places JFK at 168... and the old 168-171 on what becomes CE884... becomes 161-166...
Nothing about the zframe numbers or the info provided by the FBI works. Whereas the WEST surveys were consistent throughout.
Finally... the limo was said to pass thru POSITION A - but not filmed - by SHANEYFELT... which is why they put the limo at this position in the reenactments
The Queen Mary was very close to the limo when z133 appears... yet how can the limo be at POS A and then Z133 with the follow-up car right on it's tail?
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4 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:
I may be missing it but was there an actual written NPIC evaluation/conclusion related to the number of shots, trajectories, firing points or do we just have the numerical notes and tables? Its also my impression that the actual NPIC study was done a good bit after the preparation of the two sets story boards and the viewings that McMahon describes.
My impression was that the true estimate of the shooting was presented in great secrecy based on the first set of story boards and that was done over the weekend....the second set were prepared at a later date for the archives and supported the lone nut story - not what was briefed at the highest level within 48 hours.
Larry - I think simply because NPIC was so CIA affiliated and staffed they call these docs CIA....
I have not seen anything from NPIC in terms of a study/evaluation or conclusion unless we speak of the 4 briefing boards Homer and gang did,
Yes, I agree Larry... Dino's boards were completely different and MAY be the CIA analysis of which we speak since no one after that weekend ever sees them.(until Hicks).. and it most likely pointed out problems that couldn't be let into the record...
If I remember correctly Arthur Lundahl brought these to McCone on Sunday with briefing notes. 1 of the 2 board sets was returned to Dino then given to Hicks who freaked and withheld it from Rockefeller Comm.
(Horne V4 p1236)
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14 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
David, do they say in their notes that they thought it came from the front and not behind?
This was amazing... yet not very description of the shots themselvesWashington Navy Yard NPIC and Dinos interview.doc
and Not in those notes (CIA450)... only from Homer McMahon's AARB interview...
while you were discussing the, the hits, the shots that hit the
people in the limousine---ah, the Governor and the President. Did
Mr. Smith tell you the directions the shots came from, or did you
people try to determine that on your own during your study of the
film?
McMahon (10:38): OK, let, let me not answer that question, and take a little detour.
I’m an Army brat; my Dad was in the First and Second World War....Horne: Your opinion.
McMahon: About eight (8) shots.
Gunn: And where did they come from?
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1 minute ago, James DiEugenio said:
David:
But where does. it say they place the shot at 190? Are you saying that in your first column to the right of the boards where its says 190 in black, that means they think a shot was taken there?
What then indicates multiple gunmen? The fact that the other places in black are spaced too close together?
On a subsequent page Jim.
NPIC staff notes the 18 vs 16fps camera speed - which they know is wrong...
LIFE published saying which frames the shots were (I believe)... more importantly was when this was written. How does NPIC know what LIFE has done if this is the weekend of the assassination unless someone tells them?
The multiple gunman comes from realizing that a East side 6th floor TSBD gunman has the trees in the way at 190...(see the SS photos at z186 below)By default, if 6th floor Eastwindow shooter can't hit JFK at 190 due to the tree... there MUST be a 2nd shooter with a clear line of sight... from the front.
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Been reading thru the Weisberg Archives... by letter...
"Oswald as Agent" has 3 volumes and a wealth of interesting stuff...
The infamous CIA # 110669 which Tom Hume as well as Weisberg and peers saw used within encrypted messages...
the numbers in 110669 were used alot by Oswald...
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1 hour ago, John Butler said:
I'm basically guessing what these building could be. They might be somewhere out of Dealey Plaza? Films were taken from Love Field to the end of Dealey Plaza. If I drew the incident ray/reflected ray right then the area shown should have no buildings in it. It probably would be better to use a map of Dealey Plaza with Altgens shown and the p. limo shown. I won't argue if Z 255 position is used for Altgens 6. I really think that the p limo was at the SW corner when Altgens was taken. Few people agree with that.
Yeah, I'd have a tough time agreeing with that...
Here are some images that might help ID the reflections...
DJ
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Which building in DP is your #1 & #2?
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Those notes describe exactly what we see in the HOMER created boards, not DINO's.
They call out frames with shots possibly seen - there are 6 different frames offered and the question... How did LIFE determine the 1st and 2nd shots?
The page with all the frame numbers in a table :
10 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:So how did Jerry get from this that the CIA said that the first shot did not come from the sixth floor, and there were at least two gunmen firing.
Do you see anything that indicates that?
Placing the first shot at 190 puts the tree between JFK and the 6th floor window Jim... they used POS A to confuse the issue in the WCR by claiming that this was the position where the mark on the stand-in JFK hits the right spot... complete BS. Look up the MATH RULES thread for details.
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Speaking of reflections...
13 hours ago, John Butler said:In this case it should show the eastern side of the sidewalk on Houston plus the people there. It doesn't and that is the problem
While trying to figure out what the Towner reflection shows... can you ID the building above the reflecting pool columns in Altgens 6?
(Btw - there is a great reflection image in Altgens 5 showing Houston and people on the west side)
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2 hours ago, John Butler said:
Altered film has to be the right conclusion. But, where is the p. limo for this reflection to be true?
Virtually Stopped at the corner just before turning back hard left to get thru Position A to what the FBI’s Shaneyfelt called z133
The “Truly” corner, as his description from testimony was crystal clear.
{Edit... I jest John... idk yet what I’m really seeing}Mr. TRULY. That is right.
And the President's car following close behind came along at an average speed of 10 or 15 miles an hour. It wasn't that much, because they were getting ready to turn. And the driver of the Presidential car swung out too far to the right, and he came almost within an inch of running into this little abutment here, between Elm and the Parkway. And he slowed down perceptibly and pulled back to the left to get over into the middle lane of the parkway. Not being familiar with the street, he came too far out this way when he made his turn.
Mr. BELIN. He came too far to the north before he made his curve, and as he curved--as he made his left turn from Houston onto the street leading to the expressway, he almost hit this north curb?
Mr. TRULY. That is right. Just before he got to it, he had to almost stop, to pull over to the left.
If he had maintained his speed, he would probably have hit this little section here.
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I think that's Houston in the reflection... if your red line is correct, you would not see anything to the LEFT of the limo, only to the right... turn a mirror that way and see...
If Towner is the dot and the limo is the mirror we'd see the WEST side of Houston to the left/front of the limo, and to the south as you move to the right on the limo towards to the back of it.
while the red line coming from the TSBD is correct, Towner wouldn't be able to see it since the mirrored surface - FROM HER VANTAGE POINT - only points to the WEST down Houston...
and back toward her but slightly to her right... she is not seen in the limo mirror - or just barely.. ELM is at the far LEFT of the image - the left front fender...
Yet if that really is the East side of Houston... where'd all the people go?
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On 4/5/2020 at 7:43 AM, John Butler said:
Jim,
Here's something interesting and amusing that came up while working on pics in another thread.
This bit of camera legerdemain may take a bit of explaining:
First off, I have a frame from the Tina Towner film at the left (screen right). This frame shows reflections on the side of the p. limo that represents the crowds on the southwest corner of Houston and Elm Street since the vehicle is making the turn from Houston onto Elm. If possible magnify this. (This is where Toni Glover said she saw Kennedy's head explode. I include this also as an example of the weirdness of Dealey Plaza that afternoon.)
The reflections on the side of the p. Limo has been mirrored and this is at the right (screen left) side. This shows a better view of Houston and Elm Streets. The reflections on the side of the p. limo shows a considerably reduced crowd on the southwest corner of Elm and Houston than the ones shown in the Zapruder frame and the Elsie Dorman Frame.
This matches something else I have done with Zapruder and Dorman films. The number of people shown in the two films on Houston and Elm Street's southwest corner do not match.
Hey John,
Take another close look at the actual towner image. Now look at an overhead of Dealey Plaza...
Dal-Tex is in the background of the Towner image so the reflection would be back down Houston.. Elm would not be in that reflection
(Use the blue arrow thru the "=" sign and the white image of the limo under the "x".. that reflect to Towner's right... Elm should not be visible if the reflection is to the South...Can we ID the things reflected with greater accuracy using images of Dealey?
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19 hours ago, John Kowalski said:
Does anyone recall reading that one or some of Harvey's payroll checks were signed by someone other than the people he worked for? Apparently the check(s) were signed by a president of another company while he was working at: Leslie Welding, Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall or Reilly's.
Are you referring to the $33 TEC check that was deposited Sept 25th in New Orleans after he left? Along with the New Orleans return of 4 library books after he left.
DJ
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13 hours ago, George Govus said:
DJ, Jerry would have sure loved to miss this! Checking out in 1995 like he did, with a smile on his face when found dead?
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20 hours ago, George Govus said:
The favorite Dylan show I saw was July 10, '87, in JFK Stadium in Philadelphia. Backed by my personal favorite band, the Grateful Dead. Garcia even broke out his pedal steel guitar for "I'll Be Your Baby Tonight." Now I wonder if Dylan had a hand in them playing that venue in particular.
The Dead returned to JFK stadium in 1989. It was noticeably in poor shape. For an encore they played "Knocking On Heaven's Door." That was the last performance, the stadium was condemned just days later.
Saw that tour at Anaheim stadium.... was also at the Dec ‘87, 3 show return at Oakland Coliseum ....
Also saw Bob with Tom Petty and band as backup at the Greek in Berkeley.... I sure miss Jerry...
Jerry’s Visions of Johanna was always a fav...
keep on truckin’ George
DJ
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On 7/9/2018 at 9:15 AM, Frank Beckendorf said:
Lee Harvey Oswald was not completely innocent of the murder of Kennedy. While we may not know, and accept, the true motive, Oswald is guilty in the assassination of Kennedy.
Mr. B,
All I see in this essay of yours is an opinion and a whole lot of unanswered questions. Why this and why that.... but you offer nothing but conjecture and the names of dubious people you feel were involved... as to Oswald's "involvement". I go back over the words trying to find some of the meat... but you only offer phrases like the one quoted below...
"may be" "A patsy?" Maybe not. "If what I say is true, then Oswald shares guilt"
So then Mr. B.... if anyone can show your "contentions" to be pure, unsupported speculation and guesswork... Oswald shares NO GUILT... right?
On 7/9/2018 at 9:15 AM, Frank Beckendorf said:My contention here is that there may be some guilt attributed to Oswald’s playing a part in the killing of Kennedy. A patsy? Perhaps? But, totally innocent? Maybe not. If what I contend has some truth in it, then Oswald shares some guilt.
I'd like you to take a few minutes and read a short essay I did making the assumption that OSWALD DID DO IT.... what was his plan as evidenced by the actions he took?
https://kennedysandking.com/content/oswald-on-november-22-1963 If you can read this and still believe he was "involved" rather than "manipulated into place as a Patsy" by CIA/FBI/SS/I&NS/DIA/ACSI/ONI agents... I've written a number of other essays which destroys the evidence supporting his guilt as INAUTHENTIC...
Evidence must be AUTHENTICATED before accepted in a court as anything more than hearsay. The paper bag they SAID was in the corner yet was never photographed in place.... the contents of 1026 Beckley are never photographed IN PLACE... 250 items of evidence go to the FBI on 11/22 yet over 500 items are returned on 11/26... what does that do to your precious evidence?
https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-evidence-is-the-conspiracy-index is a list of the rest of the articles I've written about the Evidence which was designed to frame Lee Oswald.
Maybe if you were to actually look for and find some of the EVIDENCE behind your pure speculations, you'd see how poorly constructed this house of cards really is...
I read your essay... I'd appreciate you reading the first link about Nov 22 and explain what I got wrong.... with Ozzie's plan (besides the fact he never owned or touched a Carcano in his life)
Thanks
DJ
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19 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Thanks, Jim, but my bet is that it was American-born LEE Oswald who made the appearances in Clinton and Jackson while it was Russian-speaking HARVEY Oswald who worked that whole charade around the Trade Mart and Banister’s office
Jim - these where both HARVEY from what I understand...
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23 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:
Just as I would the evidence with what Bill Davy shows: Quiroga supplied the flyers for LHO to distribute in front of Shaw's Trade Mart that day.
Yet is was Mr. Osborne who placed the order.... Myra SILVER is shown a photo of OSWALD by FBI who she says was not the person placing the order
and in pure FBI SOP, they did not ask her to describe the person... only that based on the report's first sentence:...on May 29, 1963, a person who she understood gave his name as OSBORNE..." Does this imply a Spanish-person?
... and is there a relationship between Quiroga and Osborne? I have not yet lookedTo begin with, the father of a witness who vouched for their character, Frederick Osborne Jr., was a close associate of Allen Dulles
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3 hours ago, John Kowalski said:
Thanks David.
John McFarland
6:35PM GMT 21 Nov 2013
John McFarland , who has died aged 83, was a respected surgeon in Liverpool; outside his professional life he was an adventurous sailor, and he also once travelled across America on a Greyhound bus in the company of President Kennedy’s assassin Lee Harvey Oswald.
McFarland was doing research at the University of Mississippi when, in September 1963 (two months before the assassination), he and his young wife, Meryl, boarded a bus at Jackson, Mississippi, bound for Mexico City.
As they later testified to the Warren Commission, they first saw Oswald on September 26 when they changed buses at Houston, Texas. Oswald told them that he had come from New Orleans, where he was secretary of the local branch of the Fair Play for Cuba Organisation, and that he was on his way to Cuba in the hope of meeting President Castro — he was going via Mexico City because it was illegal to travel to Cuba from the United States.
Oswald, they said, had been wearing “ordinary slacks and, a more definite recollection, a sort of zipper jerkin”. After Kennedy’s death the McFarlands had recognised him as their fellow passenger from his pictures in the newspapers. During McFarland’s later career as a surgeon in Liverpool, he would occasionally be contacted by representatives of the FBI investigating aspects of the assassination.
The eldest of three sons of the Professor of Orthopaedics at Liverpool University, John Bryan McFarland was born on September 17 1930, and educated at Trearddur House prep school in Anglesey (where the family had a holiday home) and then Shrewsbury. He read Medicine at Liverpool University, qualifying in 1954. After house jobs in his home city and in Edinburgh, he did National Service (1955-57) with the RAMC, mainly in Kenya at the time of the Mau Mau uprisings.
After his spell in America, McFarland returned to Liverpool. He was appointed consultant surgeon, senior lecturer in the Department of Surgery at the University of Liverpool, and to an NHS post at the David Lewis Northern Hospital. He then practised at the Royal Southern Hospital (until it closed in 1978) and the new Royal Liverpool Hospital. As well as developing an interest in gastrointestinal surgery, he became recognised for his gifts as a clinical researcher, and he published regularly throughout his career.
When the Royal Liverpool opened in 1978, McFarland helped to recruit artists to create stimulating murals inside the building — and was displeased to learn during his retirement that these had been destroyed as part of the refurbishment to make the hospital “fit for purpose” in the 21st century.
Since his father had died in his early sixties, partly through overwork, McFarland resolved to retire while he could still enjoy life. Aged 61 he threw a leaving party at the Royal Liverpool, and the next morning he left Britain, sailing down the Mersey into the Irish Sea in his Vancouver 32 (his passion for sailing had been nurtured during family holidays in Anglesey).
For the next four years he sailed the Mediterranean, sometimes in the company of his son, Jonathan, before deciding to settle at Soller in Majorca, where he was based for the rest of his life.
For several years he spent winters in India, working as a doctor at a small hospital run by nuns in Cochin in the state of Kerala, where many of the patients were fishermen and their families.
John McFarland’s wife Meryl , whom he married in 1962, was the daughter of Andrew Mckie Reid, an eminent Liverpool ophthalmologist. She died in 2000; their son survives him.
John McFarland, born September 17 1930, died October 5 2013
WCD71 p11 starts a list of people entering Mexico at Laredo on Sept 26.... OSWALD is not listed... LEE is not listed specifically in Louisiana or TX
Only the McFarland's are listed as being from Louisiana (despite the note saying they were from Jackson MS) and the reality that they lived in Liverpool...
And if you look at that Baggage list again there are 2 lines under Harry MITCHELL... not just one... we don't know who that is either...
Interesting that they took Mrs. McF apart from Mr. and call it out.... this report was generated via an interview by British police with the McF's and conveyed to the FBI...
and why bother listing the DRIVER as a PASSENGER ?? there is also a "ROWEN" a few lines up, traveling alone... fwiw
DJ...
Despite having spoke to them in DEC 1963.... it's not until May that we get an affidavit... kinda like Feldsott's delay till July....
These statements simply reek from the FBI feeding details to make the stories believable...The following affidavit was executed By John Bryan McFarland and Meryl McFarland on May 28, 1964 https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/mcfarland.htm
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Thanks Steve...
Also notice if you set the video to .25 speed, Ruby is lunging out before the horn sounds... just slightly though... yet not the other way around...
Is that the rear of the vehicle we see? Big round rear brake lights... or the front ya think?
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On 3/21/2020 at 9:00 AM, John Kowalski said:
David:
CE 2195 mentions that there was a man and wife sitting in front of Osborne, and that the man was retired from the Bermuda Police Dept. Osborne visited Bermuda many times after departing there in 1914. Have some suspicions that he may have British intelligence connections because Bermuda is a British colony. On the passenger list, there is a name, McFarland who is travelling with his wife that is next to Bowen. Do you know anything about him?
McFarland and wife supposedly from England... I have docs on them but I want to side step a second...
Harvey Cash of the American Consul in Laredo spread so much disinformation it’s hard to know how much was real and how much out of the minds of the FBI and Ochoa... the Aussie girls were on Del Norte, not Flecha Rojas.... yet officially they and Bowen and McFs are on that Flecha bus... while the FBI tells the CIA Ozzie took Anahuac from Monterrey...
All the records and copies of records for all bus lines for those days were taken by Mexican officials, yet I did find this which says Bowen traveled with “SHIPPER” north on Oct 1... many of the pertinent docs are in the articles at KandK
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6 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
Jim,
I always thought it was the driver trying to back the car up, telling those clowns to get the hell out of the way.
Steve Thomas
The point I was looking to make is “where is the xfer vehicle?”
we see headlights coming into the picture on the left, were they going to back him out of the basement?
if That is the honking car, why is it facing forward... (edit.. maybe that is the rear.. my bad if so...)
And at some point they had to back that car up to get the ambulance down there for Ozzie...
FWIW
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Juggling too much reading material at the same time... Thanks.
See images below, in order.
"A Companion of BOWEN, MacFarland..." While the Lee H OswalJ is listed here our man was not on this bus...
The line under BOWEN and MacFarland is supposed to ID another person, same name - a spouse.
The 2nd doc below blows this man's cooperation intent out of the water by stating there were no other English-speaking people on that FLECHA ROJAS bus.
(MacFarlands and the Aussie's took Del Norte, AND SPOKE ENGLISH yet where put on this baggage list... along with Bowen and OSWALJ)The Feb 23, 1964 doc is the first I found connecting the 2 men...
The 2nd to bottom doc established the man BOWEN spoke of was Mexican, older, darker and CARRIED A SMALL BROWN ZIPPERED BAG
This will be the same colored bag attributed to Oswald repeatedly in relation to Mexico... yet if you look at his personal inventoryAll we have is a BLACK/BLUE ZIPPERED POUCH - bottom image, 3rd set of stuff, 3 from the top....
The BROWN zippered bag is inserted into virtually everyone's description of this man... his description is nothing like DURAN's or Azcue's...
EVIDENCE FOR HARVEY AND LEE (Please debate the specifics right here. Don't just claim someone else has debunked it!)
in JFK Assassination Debate
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LOL.. Thanks for the kind words John/Jim... I have been adding to the timeline so I will need to get you an update... Be nice if POAGE would let me keep a copy there...(hint)
We have the fact there was ALSO A NOTE for a Harvey Oswald going to the HARRIS while Lee, I think, was the one with the punctured heel....
4029 BYERS is also very close by... It's very possible they just stayed at Thomas... here's what John wrote:
In 1940 the duplex at 2220 Thomas Place was purchased by Edna Pendleton.
There were two apartments-one in the front (apt. "A"), and one in the rear (apt. "B").
In 1946 and 1947 Mrs. Rufie Cox occupied apartment "A," while Erwin and Velda
Schutz occupied apartment "B." From 1948 thru 1954 Mrs. Rufie Cox occupied apartment
"A," but there was no listing for anyone in apartment "B."
1948 7 19 HARVEY taken to Harris Hospital by Mr. Prestin "Allen" Summer Ft. Worth 2220 THOMAS PL / 4029 BYERS
1948 8 ?? FBI report claims Bell says Summer '48 for 3 months - MO and son Summer Benbrook 101 San Saba
Let's look at this time frame... early 1948 Marge moves to 3300 Willing after finding Edwin with another woman at the 8th street apt.
Summer 1948 the FBI has Marge and son moving to San Saba BEFORE Ewing... claiming Bell said they only lived there a few months.
But we all know they were a year off... John Pic's photos of Lee and Blackie are of 101 San Saba... despite his trying to lie about it in testimony.
That there is no listing for the "B" side from 1948-1952 is pretty telling - no?
4029 BYERS is a 10 min walk from 2220 Thomas... and BIRCHMAN is 1.5 miles down the road.
Harvey could have attended Arlington Elementary (now South Hi Mount) after Lee leaves in summer '49... but that's just a guess...
No records of Marge working and the infamous NANCY LEE and HARVEY are from Sept '47 thru June '48... then she gets crossed off and Marge Oswald becomes Marge Ekdahl
despite claiming she wanted her name back after the divorce... (why would school records CHANGE to a name she was not using?)
We must also remember that EDWIN would not have lived at San Saba... he was a NYC intellectual... BELL says Marge and son leave around Thanksgiving 1947...
It MAY be possible that HARVEY is a few years younger and not yet going to school.. and when he finally does it's in a different grade than Lee... until after NYC and 1953...
My $.02
DJ