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15 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:
I’m going to read your interesting links. Meanwhile what do you think of De Vosjoli?
Need to do some reading up on the man....
From "Brandy's" book...
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8 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:
i think we should look at Golitsyn
Couple of his books... I do truly hope we understand that in grand scheme the "defectors" from Russia were overseen by moles already in place... that the entire focus of the USSR within intelligence was spreading disinformation sprinkled with enough truth to be accepted...
The current Russian group is working with over 100 years of trial and error with disinformation campaigns... (IOW you continue to jab jab jab until the opening appears for a knockout punch... IMHO, the 2016 election was that most recent punch...)
http://www.doomedsoldiers.com/pdfs/new_lies_for_old_golitsyn.pdf
edit - added:
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB493/docs/intell_ebb_025.PDF
James J. Angleton, Anatoliy Golitsyn, and the "Monster Plot": Their Impact on CIA Personnel and Operations -
12 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:
For one thing, LHO had no connection to the M/C after he left NOLA. He went to Mexico City, and Ruth and Marina drove their belongings back to Irving.
For one thing, LHO had no connection to the M/C
after he left NOLA.He went to Mexico City, andRuth and Marina drove their belongings back to Irving.Just a couple corrections Pam.... there is no connection whatsoever between the MC and LHO which can be authenticated....
The evidence shows that C2766 never left HARBORSIDE... never was shipped, and never was in Oswald's possession...
DVP can wish and quote WCR all he likes... the evidence he throws against the wall, never sticks.
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As for Mexico... y'all know my position there... fits with the rest of the narrative... The Patsy seems to have a mountain of evidence against him... in fact, EVERY SINGLE ITEM of evidence is designed to do one thing, frame Oswald....
Not sure what it is exactly, but DVP simply cannot fathom the depth of evil in the hearts of powerful men and women...
Nor does he seem to want to believe Hoover in a moment of clarity...
What part of "False story" eludes... I wonder?
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Just now, Paz Marverde said:
What to say ...?
The Evidence IS the Conspiracy...
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6 minutes ago, Paz Marverde said:
A benign turn?? OMG
As opposed to the malignant driver...
"I didn't look"
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22 hours ago, David Lifton said:
I'm sorry, David; but I think that the "wooden ramp" idea is a non-starter.
But gong down ELM the entire route, instead of MAIN... no good either huh?
Seems the planning was purposefully done to put him into the most harm.. the one spot that was least covered was the most dangerous... but then again we are to remember that the SS has no threats with which to be concerned in Dallas...
David, that you can't see it done makes it a non-starter?
Again, the point remains... JFK was brought to his murder, the assassins did not come to him... that you'd see this little turn as benign as DVP does is humorous...
In the final analysis here David, Vince's work on the subject is more than thorough enough to understand how the SS influenced the assassination, including the changing of the motorcade order and route at the last moments... and the removal of SS agent shields from the rear bumpers
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On 6/7/2018 at 12:57 PM, Evan Marshall said:
let the target come closer and closer rather than further apart
Like this?
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On 6/7/2018 at 12:57 PM, Evan Marshall said:
One of the first things I was taught in sniper school was to pick a position with the greatest field of fire and that the hardest shot should be the first and to let the target come closer and closer rather than further apart.
CIA buds told me that two shooters were from JM Wave and the third was a sniper from Vietnam who was flown right back afterwards. Sniper was in the Dal Tex building the the shooters from JM Wave were both behind he fence line.
thanks Evan...
Curious... many talk of "triangulation" yet the fence line and Dal-Tex are only 2 sides... the southern Knoll / south end of the overpass has been described as the third side by those involved - if you believe Tosh Plumlee...
If we are talking about military precision - which I agree with 100% - wouldn't a triangulation have been created in Dealey?
It would also make sense if JMWAVE was the source for this personnel... that Joannides would be put in place as gatekeeper of the info out of JM Wave and lead the investigation astray...
That, and unless the desire is to get caught, a sniper would usually not stick the end of the rifle out the window but would be recessed and unseen... right?
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2 minutes ago, Harry J.Dean said:
Bump to new page. Where is New Page? Thanks.
I wanted people on this page to have the link as well... from the previous page..
That's all it was Harry
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1 hour ago, Evan Marshall said:
As I said earlier I'm not charging admission or collecting dues so I see no need to explain or justify my beliefs
Insight comes in very small increments sometimes Evan...
If you have something you believe adds to understanding, I for one would appreciated your sharing it....
You may be aware of the written POV of the few snipers who have weighed in on the event.. "Operators" as you call them.
Others turning over a stone sometimes helps shift the perspective enough to see things never seen before...
thanks for weighing in... your POV here is indeed appreciated.... despite the cadre of the few who want so badly to believe in a benevolent government
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On 6/5/2018 at 5:06 PM, Evan Marshall said:
Because Dallas happened before Watergate AND because the WC thought they would never have to explain their ineptitude or willful negligence we have countless leads to chase. I read the 26 volumes twice and that was enough to convince me there was a conspiracy. Your mileage may vary.
Well put Evan... now, by way of example, we will show that one of the key conclusions of the WCR... #12... is about as obnoxious a declaration as there is:
Most don't even bother reading the report itself.... so let's cut to the chase and see what the WCR actually tried to prove:
1. The shots which killed President Kennedy and wounded Governor Connally were fired from the sixth floor window at the southeast corner of the Texas School Book Depository.
2. The weight of the evidence indicates that there were three shots fired.3. Although it is not necessary to any essential findings of the Commission to determine just which shot hit Governor Connally, there is very persuasive evidence from the experts to indicate that the same bullet which pierced the President’s throat also caused Governor Connally’s wounds.
4. The shots which killed President Kennedy and wounded Governor Connally were fired by Lee Harvey Oswald
(a) The Mannlicher-Carcano 6.5-millimeter Italian rifle from which the shots were tired was owned by and in the possession of Oswald.
(b) Oswald carried this rifle into the Depository Building on the morning of November 22, 1963.
(c) Oswald, at the time of the assassination was present at the window from which the shots were fired.
(d) Shortly after the assassination, the Mannlicher-Carcnno rifle belonging to Oswald was found partially hidden between some cartons on the sixth floor and the improvised paper bag in which Oswald brought the rifle to the Depository was found close by the window from which the shots were fired.
(e) Based on testimony of the experts and their analysis of films of the assassination, the Commission has concluded that a rifleman of Lee Harvey Oswald’s capabilities could have fired the shots from the rifle used in the assassination within the elapsed time of the shooting. The Commission has concluded further that Oswald possessed the capability with a rifle which enabled him to commit the assassination.19
(f) Oswald lied to the police after his arrest concerning important substantive matters.
(g) Oswald had attempted to kill Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker (Resigned, U.S. Army) on April 10,1963, thereby demonstrating his disposition to take human life5. Oswald killed Dallas Police Patrolman J. D. Tippit approximately 45 minutes after the assassination
6. Within 80 minutes of the assassination and 35 minutes of the Tippit killing Oswald resisted arrest at the theatre by attempting to shoot another Dallas police officer.
7. The Commission has reached the following conclusions concerning Oswald’s interrogation and detention by the Dallas police
8. The Commission has reached the following conclusions concerning the killing of Oswald by Jack Ruby on November 24, 1963
9. The Commission has found no evidence that either Lee Harvey Oswald or Jack Ruby was part of any conspiracy, domestic or foreign, to assassinate President Kennedy
10. In its entire investigation the Commission has found no evidence of conspiracy, subversion, or disloyalty to the U.S. Government by any Federal, State, or local official
11. On the basis of the evidence before the Commission it concludes that Oswald acted alone
Before we go on to #12... This is April 27, 1964:
April 27, 1964
MEMORANDUM
TO: J. Lee Rankin
FROM: Norman RedlichThe purpose of this memorandum is to explain the reasons why certain members of the staff feel that it is important to take certain on-site photographs in connection with the location of the approximate points at which the three bullets struck the occupants of the Presidential limousine.
Our report presumably will state that the President was hit by the first bullet, Governor Connally by the second, and the President by the third and fatal bullet. The report will also conclude that the bullets were fired by one person located in the sixth floor southeast corner window of the TSBD building.
As our investigation now stands, however, we have not shown that these events could possibly have occurred in the manner suggested above. All we have is a reasonable hypothesis which appears to be supported by the medical testimony but which has not been checked out against the physical facts at the scene of the assassination.
We have not yet examined the assassination scene to determine whether the assassin in fact could have shot the President prior to frame 190. We could locate the position on the ground which corresponds to this frame and it would then be our intent to establish by photography that the assassin would have fired the first shot at the President prior to this point. Our intention is not to establish the point with complete accuracy, but merely to substantiate the hypothesis which underlies the conclusions that Oswald was the sole assassin.
Read that last sentence again.... Our intention is not to establish the point with complete accuracy, but merely to substantiate the hypothesis which underlies the conclusions that Oswald was the sole assassin.
As you learned... the 26 volumes do not support or authenticate any of these conclusions... case in point Conclusion 12
CONCLUSION #12. The Commission recognizes that the varied responsibilities of the President require that he make frequent trips to all parts of the United States and abroad. Consistent with their high responsibilities Presidents can never be protected from every potential threat,. The Secret Service’s difficulty in meeting its protective responsibility varies with the activities and the nature of the occupant of the Office of President and his willingness to conform to plans for his safety. In appraising the performance of the Secret Service it should be understood that it has to do its work within such limitations. Nevertheless, the Commission believes that recommendations for improvements in Presidential protection are compelled by the facts disclosed in this investigation.
(a) The complexities of the Presidency have increased so rapidly in recent years that the Secret Service has not been able to develop or to secure adequate resources of personnel and facilities to fulfill its important assignment. This situation should be promptly remedied.
(b) The Commission has concluded that the criteria and procedures of the Secret Service designed to identify and protect against persons considered threats to the president, were not adequate prior to the assassination.
(1) The Protective Research Section of the Secret Service, which is responsible for, its preventive work, lacked sufficient trained personnel and the mechanical and technical assistance needed to fulfill its responsibility.
(2) Prior to the assassination the Secret Service’s criteria dealt with direct threats against the President. Although the Secret Service treated the direct threats against the President adequately, it failed to recognize t,he necessity of identifying other potential sources of danger to his security. The Secret Service did not develop adequate and specific criteria defining those persons or groups who might present a danger to the President. In effect, the Secret Service largely relied upon other Federal or Stab agencies to supply the information necessary for it to fulfill its preventive responsibilities, although it did ask for information about direct threats to the President.
(c) The Commission has concluded that there was insufficient liaison and coordination of information between the Secret Service and other Federal agencies necessarily concerned with Presidential protection. Although the FBI, in the normal exercise of its responsibility, had secured considerable information about Lee Harvey Oswald, it had no official responsibility, under the Secret Service criteria existing at the time of the President’s trip to Dallas, to refer to the Secret Service the information it had about Oswald. The Commission has concluded, however, that the FBI took an unduly restrictive view of its role in preventive intelligence work prior to the assassination. A more carefully coordinated treatment of the Oswald case by the FBI might well have resulted in bringing Oswald’s activities to the attention of the Secret Service. .
(d) The Commission has concluded that some of the advance preparations in Dallas made by the Secret Service, such as the detailed security measures taken at Love Field and the Trade Mart, were thorough and well executed. In other respects, however, the Commission has concluded that the advance preparations for the President’s trip were deficient.
(1) Although the Secret Service is compelled to rely to a great extent on local law enforcement officials, its procedure at the time of the Dallas trip did not call for well-defined instructions as to the respective responsibilities of the police officials and others assisting in the protection of the President.
(2) The procedures relied upon by the Secret Service for detecting the presence of an assassin located in a building along a motorcade route were inadequate. At the time of the trip to Dallas, the Secret Service as a matter of practice did not investigate, or cause to be checked, any building located along the motorcade route to be taken by the President. The responsibility for observing windows in these buildings during the motorcade was divided between local police personnel stationed on the streets to regulate crowds and Secret Service agents riding in the motorcade. Based on its investigation the Commission has concluded that these arrangements during the trip to Dallas were clearly not sufficient.
(e) The configuration of the Presidential car and the seating arrangements of the Secret Service agents in the car did not afford the Secret Service agents the opportunity they should have had to be of immediate assistance to the President at the first sign of danger.
(f) Within these limitations, however, the Commission finds that the agents most immediately responsible for the President’s safety reacted promptly at the time the shots were fired from the TSBD
If we agree that the "Agents most responsible for the President's safety" were Greer and Kellerman... we can see that despite a shot or more being fired there is no reaction but to watch until his head is removed....
"reacted promptly at the time the shots were fired from the TSBD"
Are we to conclude that since no shots were fired from the TSBD this conclusion is not only oxymoronic but cleverly deceptive...?
The very LAST THING these men did was their job....
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On 5/25/2018 at 9:06 AM, Paul Brancato said:
Does it not strike anyone as strange that JFK went up against the Federal Reserve by executive order to continue the silver certificates that were redeemable for a silver dollar? If I’ve read this correctly, that was ended in 1964.
Paul... you may wish to revisit that subject... your summary is somewhat off... This was not an attempt to remove currency oversight from the Fed to the Treasury as I understand it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11110
On November 28, 1961, President Kennedy halted sales of silver by the Treasury Department. Increasing demand for silver as an industrial metal had led to an increase in the market price of silver above the United States government's fixed price. This led to a decline in the government's excess silver reserves by over 80% during 1961. Kennedy also called upon Congress to phase out silver certificates in favor of Federal Reserve notes which, according to the Associated Press at that time, were still backed by gold.[2][3]
Kennedy repeated his calls for Congress to act on several occasions, including his 1963 Economic Report, where he wrote:[4]
I again urge a revision in our silver policy to reflect the status of silver as a metal for which there is an expanding industrial demand. Except for its use in coins, silver serves no useful monetary function.
In 1961, at my direction, sales of silver were suspended by the Secretary of the Treasury. As further steps, I recommend repeal of those Acts that oblige the Treasury to support the price of silver; and repeal of the special 50-percent tax on transfers of interest in silver and authorization for the Federal Reserve System to issue notes in denominations of $1, so as to make possible the gradual withdrawal of silver certificates from circulation and the use of the silver thus released for coinage purposes. I urge the Congress to take prompt action on these recommended changes.
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12 minutes ago, David Lifton said:
But "Main to Stemmons" was not (and is not) something that is "do-able."
So this tiny curb - for which a simple ramp could be placed to remove the hairpin turn...
This is POTUS and you really believe if the task that day was "PROTECT POTUS AT ALL COSTS"...
that turn would have never been allowed...
If you want to convince us that turn was part of the plan all along and the SS was simply derelict in its duty and complicit in the assassination...
I can go along with that... but to accept THAT TURN as part of the planned motorcade is to invite more folly to this discussion...
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DVP - While I know you'd like to make Mr. butler here the CT poster child due to his other-worldly POV of these photographs...
He's not nor does he represent a single other person's POV who has ever given this a second thought. In fact, there truly must be something missing from Mr. B's processing power... the unsupported and unmitigated junk he throws up against the wall here is embarrassing and needs to stop... maybe a moderator with some level of concern over the reputation of this place and the info which flows from it will do something to silence what is obviously a disruptive clown with nothing better to do....
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In terms of what YOU feel is implied or not is really of no consequence here...
Is it or is it not Secret Service protocol to not drop below 25-35mph and not take a slow turn like Main to Houston or Houston to Elm...
If the route included the turn onto Houston it would be a major breech of safety protocol...
Yet it was done anyway....one of 65,000 things done differently THIS TIME... sheesh.
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4 hours ago, David Josephs said:
https://archive.org/stream/fairplayforcubac0102unit/fairplayforcubac0102unit_djvu.txt
Here is the link... Thanks Harry... will read thru it today
Do you think it's fair to say that Cuban Intelligence was running circles around US intelligence and their plans to "get" Castro - at the time?
BUMP TO NEW PAGE
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3 minutes ago, Paz Marverde said:
David,
from the very beginning of Metta's new article, published few days ago, this is my translation:
It’s already happened twice, during my search for the truth about JFK assassination, to have the pleasure of crossing my path with that of other researchers. It occurred with the American Jim DiEugenio, esteemed author, from whom I had the honor to be praised and encouraged. It occurred with the tenacious Canadian John Kowalski, who made it possible for me to compare my documents with a series of collimating data proceeding from the Archives of Canada. It happens again now, with another good US researcher: Linda Minor. Linda has in fact cleverly investigated a too often not adequately debated element of the plot against John Kennedy: that concerning the place from which Lee Oswald, the scapegoat of Dallas, was accused of shooting with a Carcano on November 22, 1963 despite evidence to the contrary. Comparing United Press dispatches and other material, Linda has emphasized something important about David Harold Byrd’s life. In fact, he was not only the owner of the building at 411 of Elm Street and by Byrd himself leased to the Texas Books Depository, the book company that hired Oswald. Besides this, Byrd was also an ultraconservative entrepreneur, and a friend of some of JFK’s worst enemies like General Curtis LeMay and oilman H. L. Hunt. Byrd, like Hunt, was rich because of his own possessions of oil but, unlike Hunt, also of uranium. However, the control of his empire, namely Byrd Oil which included Byrd Uranium, was then in 1956 passed – Linda has discovered - in the hands of A. M. Abernethy, who in fact became its president, while Byrd remained as Board chairman, as well as the name of Byrd Oil stayed untouched. Well, above Abernethy there was a very important Jew: Arie Ben-Tovim, former Consul of Israel in Montreal from 1949 to 1950, and then in New York from 1951 to 1952. Here, Linda’s study stops. An inevitable halt, since, unlike me, she does not have the exclusive CMC papers I instead own. Papers that reveal the following: Arie Ben-Tovim was also a CMC member. Yes.
Fair enough... but "being friends with" and agreeing to cover-up the assassination of the POTUS seems quite the leap... unless as theorized, the TSBD was running all sorts of contraband and Byrd was somehow involved.
Like blaming Dillion as Sec of Treasury (and friend of Rockefellers) cause he oversaw the Secret Service... Is Dillon culpable for the actions of the SS that day... or as Vince clearly shows was it the cast of characters starting with Rowley and Paterni who manipulate the evidence?
Again, thanks for bringing this into the light... definitely adds texture to the situation...
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3 minutes ago, Andrej Stancak said:
Thus, not telling Marina about Presidential motorcade passing the depository is not a surprise.
https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/oswald-on-november-22-1963
If you have not read this Adrej, you may find it interesting and illuminating related to what Ozzie would have known and how the "PLAN" required to kill JFK was not something Oswald appeared to have given a 2nd thought...
To paraphrase it... Oswald was backed into a time-frame due to the constraints of the conspiracy... the time-frame did not unfold based on Oswald's actions...
So, If Oswald planned to do this... what was the plan?... I then show how there was no prep work done to be in a position to shoot anybody...
The GREAT MYSTERY to me remains why he went home Thursday the 21st... if as reported - to smooth things out with Marina... IDK.
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Paz...
I appreciate the ongoing looking into the CMC...
My problem in understanding this is how the players at Bethesda were made to play along...
What connection/influence can we illustrate between Clay Shaw's CMC and LeMay on the AF side or Galloway/Burkley/Kinney/Osborne and Capt Canada on the Navy side?
Without the Autopsy being directed to a specific conclusion, the cover-up is moot...
Who in this scenario has influence over the JCS and ONI?
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On 6/6/2018 at 10:23 AM, Paz Marverde said:
Thank you, Andrej. Yes, I asked that, especially since now we know he was a CIA asset
yes he was
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Mr. Lifton...
Prior to Nov 19th the route would be MAIN to STEMMONS as shown by the diagram
On Nov 19th the detail of that non-turn turned into a TSBD corner turn is spelled out - the earlier created map has no turn...
The order of the motorcade vehicles was changed that morning at Love field...
Now, here is a composite from a different motorcade showing where McHugh WOULD HAVE BEEN if not removed.
I seem to remember a hole in the windshield which would lead back to the south knoll area...
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9 hours ago, Harry J.Dean said:
David
See CASTRO'S NETWORK IN THE UNITED STATES (Fair Play for Cuba Committee) Hearings of Eighty - Eighty Congress
First Session July 13 and 14, 1961
https://archive.org/stream/fairplayforcubac0102unit/fairplayforcubac0102unit_djvu.txt
Here is the link... Thanks Harry... will read thru it today
Do you think it's fair to say that Cuban Intelligence was running circles around US intelligence and their plans to "get" Castro - at the time?
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Here you can see them before and after the splice...
The people had nothing to do with altering the film... unless one does a frame to frame analysis how the film was altered is much more difficult to see.
We need to remember that the route was changed for the single purpose of framing Oswald... cause no one could have made the shot if the limo was over on Main...? Really?
The change moved the press truck and physician to the back and removed McHugh from center front limo.... then moved all escorts to behind the limo....
There would be no one in front of JFK, no one to the sides.... a sitting duck.
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8 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
David,
Thanks for including that DOD cable. That was on my mind too.
The fourth paragraph of that cable caught my eye., "FPCC described in USCONARC study, October, 1961, as propaganda vehicle for Cuban Government, Communist Party, USA, (CPUSA), and Sociaist Workers Party (SWP)."
What were the two newspapers the supposed Oswald was holding in the infamous rifle pictures?
And there's this - which pushes "Oswald" and the FPCC back to March of '63 (the time of the rifle pictures), if not sooner, back to October of 1962:
This is CE 2951https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1142#relPageId=460&tab=page
Steve Thomas
I forget who made the point... but those two groups are ideological opposites... someone reading one of the pubs would NEVER read the other... I think it was Ms Mellon....
We also don’t know when that photo was created... but March ‘63... do we know which month’s those papers are? I don’t remember
If I was to pick a start date... I’d look to the Nixon loss of 1960. The people most put out with that loss are the ones at the center of the assassination.
It was as if the Republicans made it all the way to the alter with Nixon and 8 years of secrets... only to wind up marrying a different woman... one completely aghast at the direction these same people were taking the country.
LBJ on that ticket was potentially a big part of step one in removing Kennedy...
That JFK reinforces this change in philosophy from early on only pushes him closer to his death... Very sad.
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DH - I'm fairly sure that Chris and I (mostly Chris) worked thru the corner and found Zapruder did not stop filming at all... and that the arbitrary numbering of frame 133 simply adds 33 frames to what should have been frame #100.
Add that to the Myers fallacy about the film speed of Towner and you have a perfect fit...
On 6/3/2018 at 2:36 PM, Michael Clark said:He only needs about 8 seconds of a clear Elm Street left to right pan....
I assume you mean to use as a matte... yes?
I believe we should also agree that the alteration was done in phases...
- the original and 4 films are created, not 3... 0184 cannot simply disappear or be skipped over... I theorize this is the split film which was sent to Rowley
- The trail of THAT film ends with Rowley, yet the film itself simply vanishes... THIS is the film which I see is sent to HAWKEYEWORKS for the first round of alteration
- ... and shows up in Dino's hands by 10pm Saturday night...
- A different 16mm film is delivered Sunday night to Homer McMahan.
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The copies are replaced and we must decide if the information about the FBI getting a film Friday night is accurate...
According to Sorrels, he gets 2 films from Zap, sends one to Rowley and gives the other to the FBI - LEAVING HIM WITH NOTHING... The SS lets Zapruder keep both the Original and 1st gen best copy... Does that sound right to you?
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Phillips on the other hand tells us a different story - and this is where the extra copy comes into existence. If neither one of the 2 Sorrels copies goes to Rowley (2 films), AND Zapruder has the Original and a best copy (2 films) the "third print is forwarded" has to be the 5th film...
The film we know today is the same film from which Homer makes his briefing boards...
The NPIC notes match the Homer briefing boards and calls into question the 16 v 18 fps problem.... as well as how LIFE determines the frames for shots 1 & 2...A continuous film predominantly shot at 48fps would give the conspirators the greatest leeway to alter as needed in the short term with the HEALY process employed when more time was available - if we feel that was even necessary
The KGB and the JFK case
in JFK Assassination Debate
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Paul, do you think it possible that Angleton may have been Sasha?
Another forum friend from a number of years back told me of the time he was involved in the 1984 Secret Congressional hearing about the massive infiltration of the KGB into the US government and intelligence services... so embarrassing and detrimental that the info was never released. but I'd have to take him at his word....
Have you seen this?