David Josephs

Steve...

What do you make of the repeated mention of the " mother-in-law" apartment behind 1026 N Beckley used now for the Oswald tours but then... it was said there were "meetings" at this location which app[ears to be completely off the grid...

They had up to 17 renters at a time (Johnson Testimony)... the way he speaks it is certainly hard to conclude our little Oswald was not there for at least some extended period of time...  didn't Ozzie call Marina every day? 

Mr. BELIN. You said that you heard him talk in a foreign language. About how often would he make these calls?
Mr. JOHNSON. Most every evening after work.

Mr. LIEBELER - Do you remember how many times Oswald called Marina on Monday?
Mrs. PAINE - Well, he called nearly every evening while he was working during the week--he usually called around 5:30, just to talk.

How would that be something made up?

ZILLOW LISTING for 1026 N Beckley:

PARKING
Parking: Attached Garage, Detached Garage, 4 spaces, 880 sqft garage
UTILITIES
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Mother-in-Law Apartment

No doubt Paul....  for this paper and this moment, these associations have been offered...

I'm surprised that LITAMIL/9's real name is listed...  any idea when these docs were created?, (EDIT: FEB 1978)

as he was on the edge a great deal of the time and was burnt out by the mid 60's...  he was regularly seen as THE greatest source of info from inside that embassy and for the social activities of AZCUE...

2 hours ago, Eddy Bainbridge said:

Mr Von Pein,

I always read your posts with interest as you back up your comments with evidence. I have studied an anatomically correct model of the neck. There is no gap for a bullet to pass through, it is built rather like a suit of armour. It can of course flex, but flexion does not result in a gap appearing at any angle (I tried this with the model). With this in mind, please could you point me to evidence that either shows the damage to the neck bones caused by a bullet fired from the TBSD, or provide an alternative explanation for the bullet path if it didn't pass through the neck bones. Thankyou in advance.

Correct Eddy...  not only is there no room to simply "pass thru"...  the reality of those kinds of bullets (if used) is shown below with a slightly smaller bullet....

No bullet traveled thru JFK's upper chest... sorry nutters.

A 6.5mm bullet would leave at least a quarter inch channel... not to mention the pressure waves and what they do to the soft tissue and bone surrounding the path...

the assertion that the wound closes up on itself is pure rubbish...

On a single page

Boy... 1026 N BECKLEY was on everything....

On 1/19/2017 at 1:45 PM, Steve Thomas said:

The significance of 3610 N. Beckley on Oswald's application for P.O. Box 6225

Greg Parker & Ed LeDoux write about Apartment "O" rented by HERBERT LEE on October 14th...
http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t214-herbert-leon-lee?highlight=herbert+leon+lee  

As one looks, one finds that many of the addresses used by the Oswald's over the years no longer exists...

Possibly, before the freeways, there was a 3610 N Beckley...  but it truly does not appear so...  the Street #'s end at 2900...

more importantly - as linked to above - is that HERBERT LEE worked at TRINITY FLOORING at 1912 N Beckley... a 4min busride up the street or a 15 min walk...

I reread the thread here where you investigate the origins of Beckley...  and agree... I too think we're looking at ACIS and the CRICHTON group related to Whitmeyer and Brandsetter...  So I am with you and looking for corroboration...

I used this for comparison...  Has all the hallmarks of his actual signature...  with the "S" connected to the "O"

This also seems to make it look like OSWALT (J)... which was used in the Mexico City fabrications

I wanted to see what was on the TSBD application to confirm BECKLEY's address was not written anywhere and they knew him as O.H. LEE.
Who would have been made aware of that address?  FBI? ONI?  CIA?  AISC?

I came across this in my search and for the life of me cannot understand what a "copy" of CE496 would be doing with what is trying to pass for a real OSWALD signature...

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth190981/m1/1/sizes/m/ from Pat Speer (thx!) shows that VJ BRIAN of the Intel section created this "copy"  - is no one else interested in how well "Brian" copied the Oswald signature?  And how that version of the signature appears in a number of places...  like Mexico

The signature on the TSBD COPY is awfully close to the one on the Stamped Cuban Visa application below....  what possible use could there be for a HANDWRITTEN COPY of an Oswald original document?

And in HELSINKI

or the Museum he never visited...  the man Ruby killed... his signature is all loopy and very upright...

David Von Pein

April 5, 2015 at 7:55 pm

Yeah, that copy is a complete forgery. Where did that version come from, Jeff? It’s certainly not the original TSBD application in LHO’s handwriting (which is CE496). Here’s what the real one filled out by Oswald looks like….

Or the one where the shot enters as it should yet exits the chest and then somehow moves from left to right between the 2 men...

The Nutter's intellectual dishonesty knows no bounds...

Right to left shot leaving JFK's throat traveling 20 degree off center ... even if possible, a shot would hit JC on the left side of his body... not the right armpit...

But hey, nice try at confusing the issue...

interesting...

With the TSBD to the rear and right of JFK.. and Connolly in this image to the front and right of JFK....

how again does a bullet traveling north to south change direction to move south to north?

A shot moving from JFK's right to left (from behind) exits the throat and can still hit JC's right armpit?

In which if these frames can a bullet moving RIGHT TO LEFT at over 20 degrees exit his throat and still hit JC in the right armpit? or did the WCR get this recreation incorrect as well?

(Reversed)  and seems to require JFK not be on the rail but closer to Jackie... - not so much

Hey Ron,

As you elude...Myers has been shown for the fraud he presented.... He had help making changes to the positions of items in his simulation to allow for the SBT to be possible...

If "Fred" was interested and had just the basic knowledge of the case - as he preps to write this book - he wouldn't know to present such ignorance here of all places....  he'd know to contact Myers or any of the others who cling to the fantasy that our government don't do such things...

Here's the best of all...

To connect the rear and front wounds the angle is 11 degrees UP...

and is the one and only reason FORD changed the location for RYBERG....  the shirt don't lie...

Coming here and asking for non-conspiracy help was your first mistake...

Standing firm on such an ignorant and unwarranted POV is mistake #2...

No doubt your book will be mistake #3

Didn't like the rebuttal I posted?

You want to argue FOR the Silly Bullet Theory and get help here?

30 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

And when Robert's brother and Marguerite's son Lee returned from Russia, they never said this returning Lee didn't look or act different from the Lee they knew.

Not so much Joe...   the man on the left is not the same person as the man on the right.... and both Pic and his brother knew it...
especially Robert...

Mr. JENNER - Then right below that is a picture of a young man standing in front of an iron fence, which appears to be probably at a zoo. Do you recognize that? 
Mr. PIC - Sir, from that picture, I could not recognize that that is Lee Harvey Oswald. 
Mr. JENNER - That young fellow is shown there, he doesn't look like you recall Lee looked in 1952 and 1953 when you saw him in New York City? 
Mr. PIC - No, sir. 

Mr. JENNER - Commission Exhibit No. 284 do you recognize anybody in that picture that appears to be Lee Oswald? 
Mr. PIC - No, sir. 

Mr. JENNER - There is a young fellow in the foreground-everybody else is facing the other way. He is in a pantomime, or grimace. Do you recognize that as Lee Harvey Oswald? 
Mr. PIC - No, sir; looking at that picture and I have looked at it several times--that looks more like Robert than it does Lee, to my recollection. 
Mr. JENNER - All right. On Exhibit No. 286, the lower right-hand corner, there is another picture. Do you recognize that as your brother Lee in that picture? 
Mr. PIC - Yes, sir; that is about how he looked when I seen him in 1962, his profile. 

Mr. JENNER - Do you recognize the person, the lady to the right who is pointing her finger at him? 
Mr. PIC - No, sir; I don't. 
Mr. JENNER - Exhibit No. 287 is two figures, taking them from top to bottom and in the lower right-hand corner, do you recognize those? 
Mr. PIC - No, sir; I don't. 
Mr. JENNER - Neither one of them? 
Mr. PIC - No, sir. The lower one appears to me to look like Robert rather than Lee. The upper one, unless they tell me that, I would never guess that that would be Lee, sir. 

Mr. JENNER - All right. Exhibit No. 288, there is ill the lower left-hand corner, there is a reproduction of a service card and a reproduction, also, of a photograph with the head of a man. Do you recognize that? 
Mr. PIC - That looks to me approximately how Lee Oswald looked when I seen him Thanksgiving 1962. 

Mr. JENNER - Directing your attention to Exhibit, Commission Exhibit No. 289, do you recognize any of the servicemen shown in that picture as your brother Lee? 
Mr. PIC - No, sir; I do not recognize them. 

Mr. JENNER - Exhibit No. 290, the lower left-hand corner there is a photograph of a young lady and a young man. Do you recognize either of those persons? 
Mr. PIC - He appears to me as Lee Harvey Oswald in 1962 when I seen him. 
Mr. JENNER - And the lady? 
Mr. PIC - She is his wife, Marina, sir. 

Mr. JENNER - Commission Exhibit No. 291, at the bottom of the page, there is a picture of a young man handing out a leaflet, and another man to the left of him who is reaching out for it. Do you recognize the young man handing out the leaflet? 
Mr. PIC - No, sir; I would be unable to recognize him. 
Mr. JENNER - As to whether he was your brother? 
Mr. PIC - That is correct. 

MALLEY is one interesting person... and hardly given the time of time....

Mr. McDONALD. Who was directing the investigation in Dallas? 
Mr. MALLEY. It was under the overall direction of the SAC, Gordon Shanklin. 
Mr. McDONALD. What role did you play? 
Mr. MALLEY. I was supposed to oversee the entire thing, to make sure that the Bureau's interests were properly looked after, to make sure that there were no unnecessary delays on anything, and that everything possible was done to find out exactly what the correct facts were. 

and there were 2 other FBI supervisors who were sent to DALLAS who hardly ever get mentioned:  Richard ROGGE and Fletcher THOMPSON

In November 1963, Mr. Thompson was dispatched from Washington, D.C. to Dallas, Texas and assigned to prepare the first investigative report of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Mr. Thompson served as an Inspector and at the time of his retirement in 1975, he was Assistant Director of the FBI, and was in charge of the Bureau’s largest division.

Mr. McDONALD. Mr. Malley, I am going to read to you from a memorandum that was prepared by Walter Jenkins to President Johnson--Mr. Blakey also referred to it in his narration--the memorandum reflecting a phone call with J. Edgar Hoover, and the memorandum is dated November 24, 1963, two days after the assassination. The pertinent paragraph quoting Mr. Hoover states: "The thing that I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin." 
What would your comments be on that? We are talking about two days after the assassination. This is probably being written contemporaneously with your arriving in Dallas. 
Mr. MALLEY. Not having talked to Mr. Hoover, I certainly am not in a position to say what was going on in his mind. I can give you my interpretation of what he would have meant by it. That would simply mean that because of such a crime of that magnitude, he was talking to either the President or Jenkins, whichever it was, saying that the public needs to be settled down. 
As far as saying that Oswald is the man and nobody else, I don't think you can take that interpretation from such a one sentence remark such as that.  {  }
Mr. MCDONALD. I am looking at a memo dated November 26, 1963, from Mr. Evans to Mr. Belmont and it is titled "The Assassination of President Kennedy," and it says--this is dated 4 days later, "From the facts disclosed in our investigation, there is no question that we can submit in our report convincing evidence, beyond any doubt, showing Oswald was the man who killed President Kennedy." 
Then at the bottom of this page there is handwriting, which has been identified as Mr. Hoover's. And in the last line Mr. Evans is 
making reference that a case of this magnitude cannot be fully investigated in a week's time. And Mr. Hoover has written underneath, "just how long do you estimate it will take." 
Then under that he went on to write, "it seems to me we have the basic facts now." 

Again, we are 4 days after the assassination. You were in Dallas at the time. 
Mr. MALLEY. I don't recall that I was asked by anyone how long it was going to take. If I had been I would have told them I had no idea because of the magnitude of what needed to be done in Dallas alone, not counting anything that might go on elsewhere.

Hang on...  if that's NOT SHELLEY next to LOVELADY and to the EAST..  where is he?

I thought we found a woman behind both of these men, under LOVELADY's left ear.

And Frasier is still nowhere near where he claimed he was...

Mr. BALL - When you stood out on the front looking at the parade, where was Shelley standing and where was Lovelady standing with reference to you? 
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, see, I was standing, like I say, one step down from the top, and Mr. Shelley was standing, you know, back from the top step and over toward the side of the wall there. See, he was standing right over there, and then Billy was a couple of steps down from me over toward more the wall also. 

"ALSO" ?? Frasier is saying that SHELLEY is by the same wall LOVELADY is... no?  Is there ANY EVIDENCE that Frasier was on those stairs prior to the shooting?

"One step from the top" - you think he was hiding himself in the EAST corner of the landing?...  and as I've posted... when does LOVELADY move from the WEST side to the center?

"NON" conspiracy book? 

You planning on writing that the Silly BS Theory was real?

Will this be in the Kid's Fairy-tale section or Romantic Fiction thrillers?

On 6/24/2018 at 8:13 AM, W. Tracy Parnell said:

Which just proves that you can't believe everything every witness says.

Unless they agree with your position as opposed to the one you are countering...

The man took photos of virtually ever place he ever was.... we know he was traveling with at least 1 camera yet not a single image of this trip... or the trip to Mexico... is found in his possessions...

How dat? Other than he just didn’t make these trips in the manner offered by the investigations...

when we look closely, Oswald is virtually a phantom as he travels... You’re in France, England, Sweden and Finland yet not a single photo from the self described “photographer”.

smells fishy...

Paz...

Yet at the same time JFK is pitching peace... he is still backing the Castro/Cuba sabotage/assassination plans.

He was beloved and admired as this was the first POTUS in decades who brought elegance and grace to the White House, as well as being of the NEW and NEXT generation...

You must watch MADMEN to get a flavor for the times...  Even JFK projected a created image of the 1960's man.... and in truth, Jackie elevated the White House in the era of television's beginning like no other....

WHO KILLED KENNEDY? by Thomas Buchannan comes from the articles published in France I believe, and was one of the first good books on the assassination...   I found a used hardcover first edition some years ago that I cherish....

The ethnocentricity of the US people, myself included, does tend to discount things from outside the USA...  but both Google Translate now, I hope we can do more research as you suggest.

On ‎6‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 12:40 PM, Paz Marverde said:

Stop believing the USA are the center of the world - they are not

Yet, IMHO, the Council on Foreign Relations in NYC comes about as close to the center of the universe as it gets...

Possibly... the way she describes it, it sounds like it...

We know for a fact where Oswald was from Sept thru Nov 1959... and he wasn't on a plane from New Jersey to Germany...

If this is Lee as we surmise, what's going on in Germany?

Paz...  any German connections for info on Oswald, late 1959?

Evidence of H&L followed up upon? 

Not a chance...  I'm amazed this even exists and only calls into view the fact that so much evidence may exist in the files of Gen 1 researchers... filed when the connections were not evident or available... with what we know now, reviewing the older research and docs unearths all sorts of interesting connections....

Lee Harvey Oswald, killed by Jack Ruby could not have been on that plane if he took the boat... or vice versa...

And if one reads the interview with M/M CHURCH from the Lykes ship, while they have photos of Billy Lord, they took none of Oswald....  the colonel and his wife...