Robin Unger

http://emuseum.jfk.org/view/objects/asitem/items@:32262 From the Sixth Floor Museum's website (source page linked above)..... Gary Mack said.... "Orville Nix, an engineer working for the General Services Administration in the nearby Santa Fe Building, filmed the Kennedy motorcade in Dealey Plaza. He captured the limousine as it first turned onto Houston Street approaching the Book Depository and then the fatal shot to the president on Elm Street, followed by the aftermath as crowds ran to the scene. The next morning, Nix returned to Dealey Plaza and at 7:28 (according to the clock atop the Book Depository) filmed the scene from the approximate locations where he stood the day before. Investigators can be seen standing near a spot where some eyewitnesses thought a bullet struck the ground. No such bullet is known to have been recovered. Since he had only exposed about half of the reel, Nix waited before turning the film in for processing. The Friday night high school football games had been canceled following the assassination and the games were rescheduled for the following week. Nix and his son, Orville Nix Jr., drove to Fort Worth on Saturday night, November 30, and filmed a relative who was the majorette leading the school band during half time festivities. On the way back to their home in Dallas, Nix dropped off his completed film for processing at the Dynacolor lab where he usually took his home movies. Late the next morning, Dynacolor called him at home and said, “Mr. Nix, you’d better come down right away to see your film for it shows the assassination.” Nix and his son watched the film projected onto a sheet or something unusual and Nix was surprised. He wasn’t sure he got much of anything after that first sequence at Main & Houston. On the way home with the film, Nix and his son realized that, since they had seen the new issue of LIFE magazine with Zapruder film frames of the assassination, their film might also be valuable. Somehow, Burt Reinhardt of United Press International Television News learned about Nix while in Dallas looking for films and made him an offer. LIFE magazine found Nix, too, and made a similar offer. Within a few days, Nix and his son traveled to New York where Reinhardt prevailed. Burt Reinhardt bought the Nix film for UPITN. Over the years, UPITN licensed the film for a few documentaries and television broadcasts. At the time of purchase, Orville Nix asked Reinhardt if someday the family could have the film back in, perhaps, 25 years or so. Reinhardt said OK and they shook hands. In 1991, Gayle Nix Jackson, the daughter of Orville Nix Jr. who had heard the story from her father, sought to do just that. Reinhardt had left UPITN long before and became one of the founders of the Cable News Network (CNN). Gayle contacted the successor company to UPITN, Worldwide Television News (WTN), and they were intrigued enough to contact Reinhardt, who promptly confirmed the 1963 oral agreement. WTN ultimately returned all copies of the Nix film they could find to Gayle except for the 8mm original, which could not be located. Gayle provided documentation from the 1978 House Select Committee on Assassinations showing the original 8mm film, which had been borrowed during their investigation, was returned to UPITN and a signed receipt was included. Nevertheless, WTN never found the original film. As a favor to me for the Nix family, conspiracy researcher Robert Groden offered to travel from his home in New Jersey to New York City to assist with locating all copies of the Nix film and then flew to Dallas to deliver the reels to Gayle. She licensed use of the film to Oliver Stone for his JFK movie and she loaned the best reels to his production team. Stone retuned the films to Gayle with at least one new 35mm copy for her own use. Also in 1991, before Gayle acquired the films from WTN, she mentioned that the family kept a battered 8mm copy of the film she thought came from UPITN many years before. Unfortunately, it was in terrible condition, was badly scratched and had been broken and repaired by splicing. I suggested she call the Dallas FBI office to see if they happened to have a copy….and they did! An agent, a woman, told her their 8mm print had been in FBI files since 1963 (probably from when Orville Nix loaned his original film to them on Monday, December 2, 1963, the day after the film was processed at Dynacolor.) Gayle asked if she could see it and the agent said sure, but they didn’t have an 8mm projector. Gayle knew that I had one and she soon made arrangements for us to visit the office for a screening. The three of us watched the film and it was in near-pristine, beautiful condition. As we prepared to leave, Gayle turned to the agent and said, “May I have this copy? It’s in much better condition than ours.” The agent, a woman, said she would check with the main office in Washington and would let her know. The next morning, the agent called to say, “Come and get it but may we have your copy in exchange?” Gayle quickly agreed. Around 1992, Gayle, the family member responsible for managing the film, was asked to provide a video tape copy for a TV production. She asked me for help and I wound up taking the reels to Filmworkers, a new Dallas film post-production company. We looked at the reels and selected the best one for transfer to video – it was a print made by UPITN in 1964, according to the film’s date code, that included slow motion and blowup scenes. The videotape was sent to Stone's production company and they eventually returned it to Gayle. In 2000, the Nix family transferred ownership of the Nix film to The Sixth Floor Museum. The acquisition included the Nix film copyright along with all film copies, the FBI’s 8mm print, Oliver Stone’s 35mm copy, and the video tape transfer. In 2002 and 2004 the Museum acquired additional items from the Nix family including a replacement camera Nix received from the FBI in 1964 after the agency damaged his original camera during testing." -- Gary Mack, Curator

quote: The Sixth Floor doesn't have the original, they have a first generation copy...seemingly like everyone else does, I just got an email from Gary and hope to speak with him soon. Of course, this is a busy time of year for him. If it was restored, I never received a copy. The Sixth Floor Museum now owns the copyright. Thank you, Gayle Original thread on Duncan's forum. http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8785.0.html

quote: Let me preface this post with a sincere thanks for those of you who welcomed me and have spoken with me on this forum. I have read with great interest the beliefs, theories, and studies forum members have shared regarding the myriad of thoughts and evidence regarding the JFK assassination. In that vein, I would like to ask you to ponder one more. I realize in asking this, some of you may say, "who cares?" and others may be scared to mention names. If you would rather not go public with your thoughts, please message me. To everyone else, I pose this question regarding my Grandfather's film: What do you believe happened to the camera original of the Nix film? Thank you in advance, Gayle My research road went cold after I talked to Reese Schonfeld and Burt Rheinhardt. Arlen Specter, Blakey, and many from the HSCA were of no help either. I noted in the indices of the HSCA, one indicated the camera original was used, the other didn't. So I'm not really sure if it was around then. The ARRB was of no help either. I've chased leads from Mexican presidents, to CNN, to assassination research guys, to a demolished Manhattan bank, etc, etc. to no avail. Was just hoping that maybe one of you knew something I didn't. Thanks, Gayle Mr. MacRae is correct Mr. Daly, I'm glad my grandfather's film piqued your interest, but sadly, many "shams" have come from his film. I will tell you that I have seen some marvelous photo stabilizations/enhancements done on this board by Martin Hinrichs that shows what Robert Groden pointed to me years ago...someone behind the fence where my Grandfather said the shots came from. His friend, Forrest Sorrels told him the next day he initially thought the same thing, but it had been determined by the powers that be, that Oswald acted alone. Also, as for Mr. Groden having the original, funny, I have been told that by several first generation researchers over the years. In Robert's defense, I asked him eye to eye if he had it and he told me "no". I still wonder deeply as there's much more to this story. Thank you for posting and for your interest. I would appreciate any and all help! Gayle

Karen's quote regarding trying to join the Ed Forum. Robin, Thank you! I tried to join that forum, as well, but it stated no new members. I was wanting to address Chris Newton's statement. I have been in contact with SMU a few days ago to try and determine if any contact was ever made that might show in their archives. At this point, I can only assume a couple of things: that Mother possibly answered some type of posted inquiry for people to come forward and did so or decided to not go forward if indeed she was ever contacted. I am not sure at this time if this will be clarified but the correct people that would be in the know have been called. I only remember she referenced SMU. I am not much help on this point, just trying to bring up "points of interest" as I recall them.

Karen has identified this woman as being her mother.

quote: Mother was an executive secretary for a rental car company, as I recall. I will try to determine which one, there are two possibilities depending on the time frame. She did not job hop; one was a national firm and the other was more private. I was 14 at the time; it was along while ago! But, I am checking things out further, as you can see. It has taken the discovery that Cheryl McKinnon's name has been attached to her photo and that is all that I am trying to resolve. She did not take any photos. Of course, I know it will be difficult for some to accept this but if research shows Ms. McKinnon as a college student which her article does state and you view the video of Mother falling down, it is easy to determine that it is not Ms. McKinnon. I am in research mode and have only recently started so I have a way to go. What I do know is that I not only recognize the face, but the dress, shoes, and purse, as well...for what that is worth. There are other features of my Mother that show her personally to me. And, of course, I know what she told me. Time will tell. Thank you for your response and statement. This will be a curious journey; all I wish is to have the proper name attached to the photo. I have no idea if Ms. McKinnon is still alive. My interest was initiated this year after laying to rest my Mother and Step-father. In my mind, over all these years, there was never a question as to who the "woman in the sunglasses" was...it was always my Mother. At the cemetery in Dallas when making arrangements, I was asked if there were any special memories and I said that my Mother was a wonderful woman, etc. etc. and mentioned that she was also a witness to the assassination. They informed me that J. D. Tippit is buried there also and that his widow is seen coming with body guards to his site. When going through some of Mother's things, I found the Richardson Daily News with Mother on the front page (rear view of her) that she had kept all these years, along with the Dallas Morning News and the Dallas Times Herald, all dated Nov. 24, 1963. A few months later my grandson sent me a photo he found on the internet of Mother that I had not seen and I just began looking again at a few various sites, then finding one of the photos showing the name Cheryl McKinnon. I was just taken aback. So I have set out to correct the matter in the best ways I know how...Simply speaking, if a name addressed to the photo had never been made who knows if I would have come forward but since it is a misidentification, I feel the need to get clarification as it is linked to a part of history.

quote: Attached is the photo out of a Reader’s Digest magazine from the Wiegman video, along with photos of my Mother, Doris Mumford, circa 1966. She was 36 years old at the time of the assassination.

In 1984 where did Gary Mack get his identification that the woman seen on the ground in wiegman, was "Cheryl McKinnon" ? Jack White quote: Cheryl McKinnon was a young SMU college student. The woman on the ground looks older, certainly not like a college student. To my knowledge, Cheryl has never stated that the woman on the ground is her. I do not know where that information originated. Jack http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=14085

Attached are photos of Doris Mumford. The one on the left is when she was younger with dark hair; the other is when she was older

Thanks Mark Croft Composite Composite image showing the section of the wall seen in the Croft photo. this is the footpath area where the croft ladies were standing. Note the small "curved section of concrete island" seen in the bottom right hand corner of the Croft image just behind the old man' s feet

Doris Mumford in Bronson, as identified by her daughter Karen Moore

Altgens LOS straight over the head of the croft ladies, and then through the gap between the white column and the large tree. only three of the Croft ladies appear to be visible, in the critical yellow square area. ( in between the white column and the large tree ) Credit: Martin Hinricks for the plat

Karen Moore has posted on Duncans Forum, saying that the woman generally being identified as "Cheryl McKinnon" in the Wiegman frames, is not Cheryl McKinnon, but is actually karen's mother Doris Mumford. http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8837.0.html I recieved an Email from Karen Moore quote: Attached is the photo out of a Reader’s Digest magazine from the Wiegman video, along with photos of my Mother, Doris Mumford, circa 1966. She was 36 years old at the time of the assassination. Robin, My Mother had lived and worked in downtown Dallas for a number of years. What has been shared with me is as follows: Mother was taking off of work to travel to Ft. Worth. She wanted to stop and see the President and Mrs. Kennedy as they drove through the city. Why she picked this particular area to view the Kennedys I do not know. What I do know is that she said "I heard three shots and saw the life leave the President's face." She said the shots came from behind her. Mother indicated later that she had nightmares of which she did not share. She would not speak of the event after that. I personally did see the Executive Action movie when it came out and when she appeared full screen (the photo of the Wiegman video) I jumped and screamed "That's my Mother!" That was the first moment I saw the photo facing ahead; it had always been the rear view (and later, the side profiles). Mother indicated at one time that SMU wanted to talk to her and I do not know what took place; I am not sure at this time if she cooperated. Karen quote: I have no idea if Ms. McKinnon is still alive. My interest was initiated this year after laying to rest my Mother and Step-father. In my mind, over all these years, there was never a question as to who the "woman in the sunglasses" was...it was always my Mother. At the cemetery in Dallas when making arrangements, I was asked if there were any special memories and I said that my Mother was a wonderful woman, etc. etc. and mentioned that she was also a witness to the assassination. They informed me that J. D. Tippit is buried there also and that his widow is seen coming with body guards to his site. When going through some of Mother's things, I found the Richardson Daily News with Mother on the front page (rear view of her) that she had kept all these years, along with the Dallas Morning News and the Dallas Times Herald, all dated Nov. 24, 1963. A few months later my grandson sent me a photo he found on the internet of Mother that I had not seen and I just began looking again at a few various sites, then finding one of the photos showing the name Cheryl McKinnon. I was just taken aback. So I have set out to correct the matter in the best ways I know how...Simply speaking, if a name addressed to the photo had never been made who knows if I would have come forward but since it is a misidentification, I feel the need to get clarification as it is linked to a part of history.

From memory i believe Sean noticed it first, and then brought it to my attention

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Gerda Dunckel's exellent stabilized GIF Where she has separated Groden's couch / darnell film mix into two separate films she then stabilized the films and overlaped them ( VERY CLEVER) Couch brakes away to the left, Darnell breaks away to the right.

I turn 60 in a few months time, hopefully i won't be put out to pasture just yet.

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Yes the wound was on his RIGHT cheek. As i understand it, the scratch to the left cheek was there prior to 22/11/63

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Murray photo taken from the terminal annex building Click on image to view full size:

Hi Bernice Which link ? They look OK to me