Thomas Graves

Well, that's thought for food, I mean food for thought. --Tommy :

Alteration, schmalteration. Why in the world would the bad guys go to all the trouble of altering the Z film if it still was gonna end up showing JFK's head being thrown violently backward and to the right by the/one of the fatal headshot(s)? --Tommy

Bill, Between 7 and 9 pm on November 21 ??? --Tommy

Sure would be nice to see a floor plan showing this storage room (if such a floor plan even exists). --Tommy Is this a reversed image? I can't make out what the label on the box says. --Tommy

In the title: "There Friends Were" or "Their Friends Were"?

Sure would be nice to see a floor plan showing this storage room (if such a floor plan even exists). --Tommy Was this photograph of the (Old) Voucher(s) and (Customer's) Sales Slips Storage Room taken from inside the Domino Room? If so, this door doesn't show up on the floor plan. --Tommy

Sure would be nice to see a floor plan showing this storage room (if such a floor plan even exists). --Tommy

Greg, Good post. I really think you're on to something. Regarding the little first floor storage room, the only one I can find is near the front door. Would you please post a link to a floor plan showing the storage room you're talking about? Thanks, --Tommy

Robin, Fantastic! Now, the question is: Who is the guy with his back to the camera wearing a hat and a raincoat in the Mentesana frame? His face is also partially visible on the right edge of the Scaggs frame. Or a more general question: After the assassination, which law enforcement types in the parking lot and/or Dealey Plaza were wearing a raincoat over their suit and a fedora hat? Deputy Sheriffs? Sheriff Plainclothes Detectives? DPD Homocide Detectives? Thanks, --Tommy

Christopher, Gerda Dunkel over at JFK Assassination Forum was wondering last December if TJM's "Long Coat Man" might be Deputy Sheriff Clinton L."Lummy" Lewis. --Tommy Edit: I think I've noticed others wearing the same kind of raincoat and acting in an (apparently) official capacity after the assassination. Could this be C.L."Lummy" Lewis with his back to the camera? Thanks a lot, Tom. I wonder how many minutes after the assassination that this footage was shot. It seems odd that a deputy sheriff would wear a top coat and not a thermal jacket. I was 7 when the assassination took place and, while I remember being sent home from school early and crying about it, I don't remember how various elements of law enforcement dressed at that time, so trying to assume that a sheriff's deputy would wear the same attire in 1963 that one would wear today may well prove to be a faulty assumption. Christopher, I noticed two guys in this clip (below) wearing long raincoats in the parking lot. They walk towards each other and seem to be interacting towards the end. The guy on the right enters the clip very late from the right. In the background is a guy who takes a step towards the crowd and then steps back, turns to his right and starts walking away just like the Long Coat Man does in the TJM part of the Hughes film, but this guy isn't wearing a long rain coat. Maybe he's the guy who, a little bit later, walks close to the Rambler station wagon (in the background of the TJM section of the Hughes film). --Tommy By the way, I wonder who the guy in the center of the frame with the movie camera is? He's wearing a brown suit and has his back to Hughes' camera most of the time. Edit: Gary Mack just sent me a PM saying he thinks the guy with the movie camera is Don Cook of television station KTVT, Dallas. http://www.jfkassass...?album=8&pos=16

Christopher, Gerda Dunkel over at JFK Assassination Forum was wondering last December if TJM's "Long Coat Man" might be Deputy Sheriff Clinton L."Lummy" Lewis. --Tommy Edit: I think I've noticed others wearing the same kind of raincoat and acting in an (apparently) official capacity after the assassination. Could this be C.L."Lummy" Lewis with his back to the camera?

Greg, OK, I've read your most recent post about Schmidt. Very interesting! Do you think TJM had an unusual neck? --Tommy

Ian, Was Truly expecting "Tan Man" to be where he was (on the third or fourth floor) at that time? Probably. It's also possible that he confused "Tan Man" for LHO. --Tommy ;sun But how could that be Tommy as he had just seen "Oswald" on the second floor?.I know they "missed the sixth" but that's a Big leap Tommy!. Ian, I agree that another picture of Larry Jones would be extremely useful. I'm not 100% convinced it was him because the facial similarity is not as strong when TJM turns his head, and also, others whose opinions I respect aren't convinced. Yet there is enough similarity(dark eyes, light spot on top of head, slender build, age etc), added to Jones' mystery phone call just prior to or just after the assassination placing him in Dallas when he had allegedly left, and Weissman's weird reaction to that call, to give me pause to continue considering the possibility. FWIW, The 2nd floor encounter, imo, and that of a growing number of others, was a fiction. Baker initially said 3rd or 4th floor and his description was much closer to that of TJM than it was to Oswald - and that's despite having Oswald in the same room when he was giving that description. On top of that, the 6th floor witnesses all match TJM better than Oswald. I note that someone at the other forum where this has been discussed, stated that TJM appears to do a military type turn. Does anyone else see it that way? If true, I think it may be significant. Here is the exact quote from Jonathan Nolan: "...TJM peels off out of the crowd, with almost a heel turn like in the army, before leaving pretty rapidly..." [emphasis mine] I'd really like to get opinions on this. Greg, I would agree with Jonathan on this. TJM makes a very precise little turn, especially for someone standing on top of a railroad tie/parking lot barrier. --Tommy

Ian, Was Truly expecting "Tan Man" to be where he was (on the third or fourth floor) at that time? Probably. It's also possible that he confused "Tan Man" for LHO. --Tommy ;sun But how could that be Tommy as he had just seen "Oswald" on the second floor?.I know they "missed the sixth" but that's a Big leap Tommy!. OK, Ian. Then I guess Truly was either a conspirator or simply mistook Tan Jacket Man for one of his other employees. By the way, have you had the opportunity to read the article about the TSBD called "The Spider's Web"? --Tommy

Ian, Was Truly expecting "Tan Man" to be where he was (on the third or fourth floor) at that time? Probably. It's also possible that he confused "Tan Man" for LHO. --Tommy ;sun

That's all right, Mark. Although Mr. Scully is on record as saying he thinks this thread to be a waste of time, I don't think it's the reason he's threatening to lock it down. Maybe he's just getting back at me for saying that his long, "seven degrees of separation" posts are the product of "A Beautiful Mind", or maybe he's just envious that it was a popular thread (with over 7,600 views), and resents my reviving it by editing and bumping my last (ancient) post. Anyway, Mark. What do you think of my analysis of the clip in post #93? Have you had an opportunity to watch the uncropped version which shows the Rambler station wagon in the parking lot during the same scene? Did you follow the thread on Tan Jacket Man at the JFK Assassination Forum back in the day? Thanks, --Tommy P.S. Since Mr. Scully has threatened to lock this threat if I edit and bump any of my posts on it one more time, I refer everyone to my edited-and-bumped post that evidently "broke the camel's back". Post #93. I would also refer you to Mr. Scully's non sequitur post: Post #91 which seemed to me at the time to be a brazen attempt to hijack it or kill it.

edited and bumped P.S. Would a moderator please delete the two words "Cuban-Looking" from the title? Thanks. --Tommy

Edit: Looks like James was confusing a Robert L. Stovall, (born in 1932 in Mississippi, graduated from Yale University, lived in Dallas & Chicago) with Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall-connected Robert Littleton Stovall born in 1920 (in Dallas according to a genealogical website), died in Dallas in 2007. Scroll down to the bottom of the list to find both of them highlighted in different colors. http://webcache.goog...n&ct=clnk&gl=us FWIW, here's the obituary and some information about the other guy, the Yale-graduate "Robert L. Stovall": http://articles.chic...te-muddy-waters http://webcache.goog...n&ct=clnk&gl=us --Tommy edited and bumped

Edit: Note "Robert Littleton Stovall, age 92" listed as an executive of Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall. They need to update their information. He died in 2007 at the age of 87... http://www.corporati...l/29834067.aspx Looks like James was confusing a Robert L. Stovall, (born in 1932 in Mississippi, graduated from Yale University, lived in Dallas & Chicago) with Robert Littleton Stovall born in 1920 (in Dallas, according to a genealogical website), died in Dallas in 2007). http://webcache.goog...n&ct=clnk&gl=us . http://articles.chic...te-muddy-waters http://webcache.goog...n&ct=clnk&gl=us --Tommy

All candidates admitted to the Air Force Academy must meet the vision requirements for commissioning in the United States Air Force. In addition, qualification for flying duties requires stringent color vision testing and depth perception. Nearsightedness (myopia) commonly develops in the late teenage years. Therefore, it is possible you could meet the vision requirements for a flying career upon admission but not at graduation, thereby precluding you from ultimately being pilot or navigator qualified. Procedures to reverse the nearsightedness, including radial keratotomy and similar surgical and non-surgical alterations to the cornea (orthokeratology), and experimental operations (photokeratectomy), disqualify you for all military programs. If you wear contact lenses, you must remove hard lenses at least 21 days and soft lenses three days before the vision examination. An examination conducted without the required removal of contact lenses for the designated time is invalid and will delay your medical examination processing. If you wear prescription eyeglasses, bring them with you at the time of your physical examination. After you enter the Academy, periodic vision care and counseling will be provided at the eye clinic. Potential Pilot and Navigator Visual Acuity No worse than 20/50 (pilot) and 20/200 (navigator). Refractive Error Refractive limits of +2.00/-1.00 in any meridian and .075 astigmatism (pilot) and +2.00/-1.50 in any meridian and 2.00 astigmatism (navigator). Color Vision and Depth Perception Successful completion of the Pseudoisochromatic Plates or Farnsworth Lantern color vision tests and the Vision Test Apparatus-Near and Distant (VTA-ND) or Titmus Stereofly or Randot Stereo or Verhoeff depth perception tests. These standards are the same for both pilot and navigator qualification. http://www.usafa.net...red/appenda.htm I'm more interested in how Oswald came to work radar without any background in related fields and with a diagnosed hearing loss. Greg, Do you think Lawrence really was blind in one eye? In his photo (which I tried to post), he sure looks like he has two good eyes. I think he lied when he said he'd been blind in one eye since the age of eleven. --Tommy

That's interesting. I didn't realize that the Air Force accepted people who are blind in one eye. Maybe it was really desperate when Lawrence joined? Good thing they didn't make him a pilot! Jack Lawrence doesn't look blind in either eye to me. Maybe he was a sharpshooter in the AF after all. --Tommy edited and bumped

That's interesting. I didn't realize that the Air Force accepted people who are blind in one eye. Maybe it was really desperate when Lawrence joined? Good thing they didn't make him a pilot! Just kidding. Jack Lawrence doesn't look blind in either eye to me. Maybe he was a sharpshooter in the AF after all. --Tommy edited and bumped

A couple of seconds after this "clip" starts, a dark colored vehicle pulls up on the other side of the plane with its headlights on. Could it be "the other ambulance"? --Tommy

Mike, Thanks for clarifying that. I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but what does the crop of the crop of the crop purport to show? In other words, the trapezoidal image in the first post? Thanks, --Tommy BUMP

Mike, Thanks for clarifying that. I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but what does the crop of the crop of the crop purport to show? In other words, the trapezoidal image in the first post? Thanks, --Tommy