Thomas Graves

How about all the witnesses who put the death earlier, at 1:06? Or is that inconvienient for you? Peter, No, it isn't inconvenient for me at all. Believe it or not, I'm still learning. Some day I hope to be as well-informed as you are. --Thomas Michael Mahon (pre adoption biological name) P.S. So I guess the DPD dispatcher logs were fabricated, just like everything else in this case...

Hi Larry, I have a very good photographic comparison that shows a group of men training at No Name Key. One of them is a dead ringer for Danny Arce and the other for a guy who was a spectator in Dealey Plaza. FWIW, here's Danny G. Arce's WC testimony: http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/pdf/WH6_Arce.pdf --Tommy

No. We could not ask for anything more. I believe Mrs. Higgins over criminals who killed the President of the United States. In reply to the post's title - of course he did not. He did not shoot Kennedy either. Making LHO a cop killer was part of this well orchestrated plot to take out the POTUS. Surprisingly, cooler heads prevailed when LHO was lured into the theatre by his handler. Hats off to those officers who wanted to "see what he was about," rather than kill him on the spot. The only problem I have with a 1:06 shooting of Tippit is that, according to the attached timeline, Tippit left the Gloco Gas Station at 1:06:30 and Benavides tried to contact the DPD dispatcher (a couple of minutes after Tippit was killed) via Tippit's radio, at 1:16. http://www.jdtippit....metable_nov.htm --Tommy Says who? This is manufactured, "evidence," and means nothing. The fox has been guarding the hen house for too long. Enough already. Mrs. Higgins simply proves, once again, that the story is false. Peter, Whose timeline would you prefer, if any? Did Benny or anyone else call/try to call the police from Tippit's radio after he was shot? If so, what time was it when they did that? --Tommy

No. We could not ask for anything more. I believe Mrs. Higgins over criminals who killed the President of the United States. In reply to the post's title - of course he did not. He did not shoot Kennedy either. Making LHO a cop killer was part of this well orchestrated plot to take out the POTUS. Surprisingly, cooler heads prevailed when LHO was lured into the theatre by his handler. Hats off to those officers who wanted to "see what he was about," rather than kill him on the spot. The only problem I have with a 1:06 shooting of Tippit is that, according to the attached timeline, Tippit left the Gloco Gas Station at 1:06:30 and Benavides tried to contact the DPD dispatcher (a couple of minutes after Tippit was killed) via Tippit's radio, at 1:16. http://www.jdtippit.com/html/timetable_nov.htm --Tommy

And let's not forget the so-called "Tan Jacket Man" seen making a sneaky hand off in the Robert Hughes parking lot/railway yard film.. --Tommy P.S. Regarding Benavides, I wish Belin had asked him what kind of car had "broken down" in the middle of the street on Patton between Jefferson and 10th around 1 o'clock. Just wondering if it might have been a gray '50 or '51 Plymouth, for example... http://www.aarclibra..._Vol6_0228b.htm --Tommy

Stephen TurnerStephen, Baker's story morphed into whatever was needed at any particular time. As I do not think he was involved in any plot, but merely fell into line afterwards, I put most weight on his affidavit taken on the afternoon of the 22nd. In that, he said in regard to Truly, "...as I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager..." Seems like Truly was already in the building when Baker entered. With regard to where the encounter witha suspect took place, he said, "...as we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. Not second. Third or fourth. No lunchroom. No door with a glass panel. Just walking away from the stairway. With regard to a description of this person, Baker said it was "a white man, approx 30 years old/5'9"/165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket." Oswald: white male, 24 years old, 5' 9", 145 pounds, light brown hair, grey wool or flannel jacket but not the same as the one found under the car according to Wes Frazier. I think Frazier was mistaken on the colour though, and it was the redish brown shirt/jacket which was later found in his boarding house room. He was arrested in a shirt/jacket similar to Frazier's description. The person Baker encountered does not sound like Oswald. It sounds like the person seen by Rowland ("Slender white male, dark hair, light-coloured shirt, open at neck"), and Brennan ("He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds. He had on light colored clothing but definately [sic] not a suit"), and the DPD plaza 12:45pm description given by unknown witness ("an unknown white male, about 30, slender build, 5 feet 10 inches, 165 lbs., armed with what is thought to be a 30-30 rifle.") and the Tippit description ("a white male, approximately 30, 5'8", slender build... 165 pounds"). The proof that it was not Oswald is in the fact that Oswald was in the same room awaiting interrogation as Marvin Johnson took Baker's affidavit. If it had been Oswald, the affidavit would say something like "the person I encountered was the suspect now under arrest." At the very least, he would have got the description right with Oswald sitting right there across from him. Somewhere between the time his affidavit was taken and the time Truly gave his on the Saturday, it was decided to (1) claim this encounter had been with Oswald, and (2) to switch it from third or fourth floor to second. These switches would be necessary since it is likely Baker did encounter the real gunman (or a decoy) and Reid's statement had placed Oswald on the second floor. Truly, I believe, went with Baker to ensure Baker did not arrest this man. I doubt that the encounter Oswald had with a cop (or cops) even involved Baker. And it actually took place on the first floor - not the second third or fourth, according to immediate press reports citing police and Ochus Campbell as sources. Greg, I don't suppose Baker could have the 2nd floor for the 3rd floor? Highly unlikely. ALSO, maybe I'm misinterpreting you, but you do seem to say you believe that building superintendent Roy Truly went with officer Baker to ensure that Baker didn't arrest "this man", i.e. the real shooter (or his decoy). If so, that's very interesting and ties in with my belief that several TSBD (aka "The Spider's Web") employees, including supervisor types. were in on IT. --Tommy

Just a couple of minor corrections above. There is also the fact interspersed among these others that Truly and Baker (T& first go to the elevator shafts at the rear of the first (ground) floor, find that the elevators aren't there, look up and see the bottoms of both elevators at the fifth floor, and yell for someone to send one down, which doesn't happen. That is when T&B start up the stairs.After the encounter with LHO, they continue upstairs to the fifth floor where they find one elevator, the other one having gone down while they were "creating a commotion" and making a lot of noise running up the stairs. Truly speculates that the person who rode down - without being seen or heard by either T or B - must have been Jack Dougherty, who also testified to having done exactly that, albeit without having heard his boss yell up to him to send an elevator down. B&T then board the elevator and go up to the seventh floor, bypassing the sixth, and searching around upstairs before coming down again to the sixth, then again go onto the elevator and down to the first floor, whereupon Baker exits the building. Leaving aside any and all speculation or theories of who it could have been, if there were ever a time when someone on the fifth and/or sixth floor(s) could have left the building undetected by Baker, there were two: riding the elevator down while B&T were running up (and making a lot of "cover noise"), and again when T&B rode the elevator from the fifth floor past the sixth floor, and spent time poking around on the seventh. Also note that LHO didn't become a "fugitive on the run" anytime immediately following the encounter with Baker since Jeraldine Reid watched LHO walk from the lunch room, nonchalantly ("calmly") through and across her office (open like a steno pool) and out the opposite (east) door. Whatever interrupted LHO's "calm" demeanor from that point on is anybody's good guess, but it does not appear that the Baker encounter was any kind of direct catalyst. From where he was last seen by Reid, he had two means of egress (three, if you count him doubling back around the office via the encircling hallway and back down the rear stairs or elevator), those being a passenger elevator at the southeast corner area that went only between the first (ground) and second floors, and a short stairway in the same general area that only went between the same floors. From there, it was a short walk out the front door, near which - as I recall - he supposedly said that he'd directed someone to the telephone. None of these things suggest to me someone "on the run." Just a minor correction. I think Duke meant to say "( T & B ).". --Tommy

Paul, A bump for this post and a question about something you said in an earlier post: How could George DM possibly be worried that LHO hadn't been retained in custody after "The April Crime" when he hadn't even been detained for that shooting in the first place? --Tommy

Oswald was no loner, and that poor soul lived his 24 years full of adventure and around numerous friends from around the world. "CIA" disinformation --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwCcNjD8peQ&feature=related Peter, I didn't say that, actually. Paul Trejo said it at 10:24 pm on June the 23rd. (I only wish I could write as well as Paul.) --Tommy

There were two shots to the head. One from the left rear and one from the right front. The one from the left rear is clearly shown in Zapruder frame 313 and in the Nix Film equivalent time. The second shot, the one from the right front, is clearly shown in the Nix film at a time equivalent to Zapruder frame 318. The shot at Zapruder 313(from left rear) followed by shot at Zapruder Frame 318(from right front) Same two shots as seen in Nix film. Shot at Zapruder equivalent frame 313 followed by shot at Zapruder equivalent frame 318. Mike, Works for me. Thanks. --Tommy

Daniel, Even if the Z-film was altered (and I'm not saying it was), there are other films and photos which contains lots of damning images which, I guess, the alterers just simply overlooked. For example, the image(s) in the Nix film of the two right-rear motorcycle cops looking towards the grassy knoll immediately after the final fatal head shot, as pointed out by David Josephs two posts ago on this thread... --Thomas

David, Nice catch. I'd never noticed that. --Tommy

I don't understand why you say that, since the sequence shows the same head shot seen in the Z film from a different angle. No, that sequence does not show the same head shot that is seen in Zapruder Frame 313. The following Nix sequence shows the shot that we see in Zapruder frame 313. You can see all the blood above the presidents. head. Mike, How many headshots were there? How many from the fron, how many from the rear? Etc, etc... --Tommy

Hey there Mike... [...] DJ ps... if you;ve EVER driven at 3mph, even 8 mph... and imagined that as the PROTECTIVE SPEED OF THE SS for POTUS... shock and horror SHOULD be your response... Greer, if not guilty of failure to do his job, should have been reprimanded for his driving alone... [...] David, I agree. Greer certainly hadn't accelerated much after negotiating the near hairpin turn at Elm and Houston, had he? Especially since there weren't very many spectators lining the sidewalks, etc at that point for JFK and Jackie to wave to. Maybe he was confused, right before the fatal head shot, about which freeway entrance to take ? LOL But! If there had already been a shot from the front which went through the windshield (scattering a few fragments of glass on Greer and Curry), maybe Greer and Co. were hesitant to get any closer to that shooter. --Tommy

Ian, That's really interesting! Hopefully it will peake the intrest of other researchers who are more industrious than I am at the moment!... --Tommy

Tommy, I think the ex-General Edwin A. Walker manipulated Lee Harvey Oswald into being the JFK plot's patsy. Here, in a super-brief summary, is how I think it was done: 1. In the first part of 1962, General Walker had been in the papers because Walker: (i) was kicked out of his command in Germany by JFK because he spread John Birch Society materials to his 10,000 Troops there (and pushed them to vote his way); (ii) so he resigned from the Army in protest and started a career imitating segregationist preacher, Reverend Billy James Hargis and oil billionaire H.L. Hunt; (iii) was so successful as a right-wing rabble-rouser that in March, 1962 he decided to run for Governor of Texas (funded by H.L. Hunt); (iv) he testified to the Senate Subcommitee on Military Indoctrination with feeble excuses for his clash with the Army newspaper, Overseas Weekly, which exposed him; (v) he received more negative press which led to his loss in his bid for Governor (he came in last place). Walker was probably feeling petulant around June of 1962. 2. In June of 1962, Lee Harvey Oswald decided he didn't like the USSR anymore, and was allowed to return to the USA with his Russian wife, Marina. 3. George De Mohrenschildt, an aristocratic playboy with a wealthy wife, could speak several languages and was well-educated and savvy in politics, also had Anticommunist spying experience in Europe, so the CIA trusted him with odd contracts. George was also a geology professor at UT, and was hungry for a major oil contract, and the CIA made him a trade -- find out about Lee Oswald (is he a KGB plant) in exchange for connections to a lucrative oil contract in Haiti. George took the job. 4. In June of 1962, Lee Harvey Oswald proved to be an unhappy camper. Work was too hard and money was too little. Everybody had more money than he did; especially George De Mohrenschildt's friend, George Bouhe, who liked Marina so well that he brought her gifts and money all the time. Lee started beating Marina for the first time. George De Mohrenschildt helped them move, helped them find places, helped Lee find another job, and generally treated Lee like a spoiled child for the rest of 1962. 5. In September, 1962, General Walker found a new calling -- he would join Governor Ross Barnett of Mississippi in opposing the Supreme Court ruling to racially integrate Ole Miss University in Oxford, Mississippi (with one black student, James Meredith). Walker sent JFK a hostile open letter and broadcasted over the radio a call for ten thousand protesters to come to Jackson, Mississippi. (When asked by a reporter if he expected these protesters to bring their guns, Walker said, "That's up to them!" Walker's intent was to act if and when JFK ordered Federal Troops to force the racial integration (as Eisenhower had done in Little Rock, Arkansas in 1957). 6. Thousands of protesters did show up at Ole Miss, and JFK did send in thousands of Federal Troops, and Walker did lead the protesters in resisting the Federal marshals. The protests turned into riots in which hundreds were wounded and two were killed. But in the end, James Meredith was admitted to the college. RFK arrested Walker the next morning and had him committed to an Army mental hospital for a 90-day evaluation. That was a big mistake. Five days later the ex-General Edwin A. Walker was released with an apology. (You don't mix politics with psychiatry.) 7. In January of 1963, a Grand Jury in Oxford Mississippi heard Walker's case, and acquitted him; they dropped all charges. Yes, partly it was because the case was about race integration, and this was Mississippi in 1963. But partly it was due to the fact that Walker claimed he was really there in Oxford trying to calm everybody down, and the Grand Jury believed him. This made the papers yet again. 8. At this point Walker exulted and began suing every American newspaper that had said bad things about him (and his lawyers sought $30 million all told, which would be $300 million in today's dollars). They thought they were set for life. In further exultation, Reverend Billy James Hargis and ex-General Edwin A. Walker began a new speaking tour, called the "Midnight Ride" which would go from Florida to Los Angeles in 26 stops over six weeks. 9. Also in January of 1963, George De Mohrenschildt was getting tired of hearing Lee Oswald whine. One of Lee's many complaints (very common amongst Marines) was that JFK let America down at the Bay of Pigs. So, George got ahold of his engineer friend, Volkmar Schmidt, who had a plan to 'convert' Oswald and change his thinking. The plan was to have a big party of young professionals with close ties to the Russian Exile community in Dallas, and invite the Oswalds. There, Volkmar would work on Lee Oswald and 'transfer' his hostile feelings from JFK to General Walker. He worked on Oswald for more than an hour. Also at the party were Michael and Ruth Paine, who were also critics of General Walker. (Perhaps, too, Larrie Schmidt, an ambitious social-climber, may have been at that party, as there is some evidence that Larrie knew George De Mohrenschildt.) 10. Volkmar's treatment worked. Soon after that party, Lee Oswald (perhaps in an effort to please his new friends, or just to please George De Mohrenschildt) purchased a rifle and a gun, and made a fake ID for himself at his place of employment. Lee had Marina take one picture of himself with his gun and rifle, and Lee then used the photographic equipment at his job (at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall) to make several different poses. Oswald also starting taking pictures of Walker's home, and processing the photos at his job. He got carried away, and he was fired from his job. 11. Lee didn't tell Marina he was fired. For nearly a month he got up as usual and "went to work" as far as she knew. Actually, he was perfecting his plan. He continued to talk with George De Mohrenschildt about General Walker, and they called him "General Fokker," just as they called Volkmar Schmidt, "Messer Schmidt". 12. On April 9, 1963, ex-General Walker returned from his "Midnight Ride" speaking tour, and heard from the police that there had been a pair of prowlers outside his home the night before. 13. According to Larrie's brother, Bob Schmidt, he, Larrie and Lee Oswald drove to Walker's home at 4011 Turtle Creek Blvd in Dallas on 10 April 1963 at 9 PM, and tried to kill Walker with a rifle. The shot grazed the window sill and so was deflected from its target. Walker was very disturbed by this brazen attack. (For the rest of his life he believed that RFK tried to kill him for his role in the Ole Miss scandal.) 14. George and Jeanne De Mohrenschildt lost sleep -- they were worried that Lee Harvey Oswald may have been the shooter. Three days later they worked up their courage and they bought a toy bunny to take to the Oswalds' baby. On April 13, at 10 PM, when the Oswalds were asleep, the De Mohrenschildts woke them up, barged in with the bunny for the baby, and under the pretext of admiring their apartment, Jeanne found Oswald's rifle -- with a scope on it. "Look, George," said Jeanne, "They have a rifle." George joked to Lee, "Lee, did you take a pot-shot at General Walker?" Lee Oswald froze and so did Marina. They knew they never told a soul, so how did George guess it? Then George started laughing and they all laughed and that was the end of the visit. The De Mohrenschildt's moved to Haiti and never saw the Oswalds again. 15. The next day, however, Easter Sunday 14 April 1963, George De Mohrenschildt could not resist the urge to tell somebody, so he told his two good friends, Mr. and Mrs. Igor Voshinin about his suspicions that Lee Harvey Oswald had been General Walker's shooter. They readily agreed that Lee was just hot-headed enough to do this. After George left, Mrs. Voshinin called the FBI right away, and told them about George's suspicions. (This vignette is found in Dick Russell's book, TMWKTM.) 16. Here is where my theory begins. I believe that the FBI now told ex-General Edwin Walker (or told somebody who told ex-General Walker) no later than Easter Sunday 14 April 1963, that Lee Harvey Oswald was a suspect in his 10 April 1963 shooting. In Walker's mind, the pieces would fit -- RFK was a Communist, he thought, and Oswald was a Communist, and it was always clear to Walker that the Communists were out to get him. 17. Walker, a leading member of the Texas Minutemen paramilitary organization, decided to exact paramilitary justice on this loose-cannon Marine. He contacted a leading member of the Louisiana Minutemen, namely, Guy Bannister, and told Bannister about Lee Harvey Oswald. Guy Bannister had a loyal friend (and a member of the Minutemen) named David Ferrie, who actually knew Oswald. They concocted a plan to entrap Oswald and exact paramilitary justice. 18. The plan was something like this. Offer Oswald vast riches and a chance for fame, and maybe even a parade and a chance to run for President, if he would do one simple thing -- kill Fidel Castro. It was easy for any officer of the FPCC to get into Cuba through Mexico, they claimed. All Oswald would have to do -- with his vast talents -- would be to mock up some street credentials in the newspaper, radio and TV to make it look like he was a real officer of the FPCC, and he could get into Cuba through Mexico the same day! 19. Oswald took the bait, and in only a matter of a few days he moved to New Orleans, Louisiana, leaving Marina and June behind with Ruth Paine, to catch up later. In a few more days Oswald had a menial job at a coffee company, a couple of blocks from Guy Bannister's office at 544 Camp Street. 20. Soon Marina joined Oswald, and for a few weeks they lived a normal life -- or so she thought. Actually, in just a few weeks Oswald would be fired again, although he wouldn't tell Marina -- Lee would just get up in the morning as usual, and do other things as she believed Lee was at work. Lee was busy getting himself in the newspapers, on the radio and on TV, as a fake official of the FPCC. (Lee did this with the help of Carlos Bringuier and Ed Butler, who were two Batista Cubans who were as right-wing as possible; they were propaganda experts, and they had CIA funding for anything they wanted to do that could possibly hurt Fidel Castro.) 21. When the sheep-dip was done in Septemgber, 1963, Marina moved back with Ruth Paine, and Oswald traveled to Mexico to try out his plan. (In the meantime, Oswald had been warned by Richard Case Nagell that if he succeeds in getting a Visa to Cuba, Nagell would have to kill him to protect his own cover as well as Fidel Castro. Also, Oswald had been warned by Bannister and Ferrie that if he failed to get into Cuba and kill Fidel Castro, Oswald would be drafted into a plot to kill JFK, because they always knew that Oswald tried to kill Walker, so Oswald's life wasn't worth a nickel anymore.) 22. The Mexico effort failed miserably. Oswald trudged back to Dallas to meet his fate. Luckily, his role in the JFK plot would be very minimal -- he would only bring his rifle to the TSBD, and then forget about it. Soon, thought Oswald, he would be free from this entire nightmare. There it is, Tommy, a thumbnail summary of my theory about how General Walker (working with Bannister and Ferrie, along with the Minutemen and the John Birch Society) made Lee Harvey Oswald into a patsy. Best regards, --Paul Trejo <edit typos> Paul, Sounds good to me! Now, in one of your posts (on another thread?), you said recently that David Ferrie called LHO in Dallas and, in so many words, enticed him to move immediately to New Orleans. Sounds plausible to me, but I wonder if you're "speculating" just a teensie-weensie bit on this, or if it's something that's been documented somewhere and that I've somehow missed it in my (very) hit-and-miss "research" efforts? Thanks, --Tommy

It's a fair question, Tommy, and I have a good answer for you. Let's take the case of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, first. There is a well-known JBS researcher who goes by the name of "Ernie" and he has exhaustive research on the FBI investigations into the JBS. There are many editions of Robert Welch's first book, The Politician, but the edition that was printed in the late 1950's is the one that the FBI has on file, in which page 267 openly and directly calls President Dwight D. Eisenhower a "dedicated, conscious agent of the Communist conspiracy." In this book, Robert Welch (founder of the JBS) directly charges Eisenhower with "Treason." As for President Harry Truman, Robert Welch says that, "Truman was used by the Communists with his knowledge and acquiescence as the price he consciously paid for their making him president." Ernie has showed me a thing or two about the JBS (whatever else we might still debate) so I gladly refer readers to his web site and particularly to the middle of this URL, where PDF copies of the actual pages from The Politican (ca. 1957) can be read: https://sites.google...nie124102/jbs-1 I trust this answers your question, Tommy. Best regards, --Paul Trejo <edit typos> Paul, Okie dokie (sp?).. Thanks! --Tommy

Karl, In my experience, the Allen photo to which I'm referring is very hard to find on the Internet. Robin Unger's great website has almost all of the Allen photos, but unfortunately not this one (at least the last time I checked some time ago). My previous laptop was stolen, so I no longer have it on harddrive. Sorry. Maybe someone else on this forum can share it with us? I believe I also saw another Murray photo showing a small part of the same car (most of the car was obscurred from the camera's view by onlookers standing in the foreground) from basically the same vantage point as the Allen photo. --Tommy

Paul, Just one little nit-picky question. Did the JBS say that Truman, Eisenhower , et al were "Communists" or did it say that they were "Communist Dupes"? Thanks, --Tommy

Stupid question: Has the lead cop in this photo ever been positively identified? The fact that he has something suspicious-looking in his right ear, that he's escorting/guarding the three suspects in such a cavaier manner, that he's carrying his shotgun in such an unprofessional way, and that he has only one pen in his blouse ("professional" cops and security guards always have at least two pens in their shirt pocket in case one malfunctions) leads me to believe that this guy isn't a policeman at all, or if he is, he's having a really bad day. And I agree with Malcolm that the cop bringing up the rear does resemble Roscoe White.... --Tommy If the Spartacus Picture ID is correct, the Lead officer is Wise. http://www.spartacus....uk/Dallas9.htm Richard, Thanks for that. That's great. Now, what do we know about Wise's background and social/professional associations, other than the fact that he was a Dallas policeman who alleged that he had cotton in his right ear that day because he was treating/getting over an ear infection? As David Josephs has tried to point out on this thread, there were two different lead officers at different times during the 7-photo "Procession of the Three Tramps". Thanks, --Tommy

Karl, I agree with you that there were several Rambler station wagons near the TSBD. As I've tried to point out a few times on this forum as well as on Robin's "JFK Assassination Forum", there was a Rambler (station wagon?) with its headlights on in the railway yard/parking lot just a few minutes after the shooting stopped. It's visible, in the center-right background, in the Robert Hughes film. What's really suspicious about it (other than it's being a Rambler in the parking lot with its headlights on as though it's signaling somebody? just a few minutes after the assassination), is the fact that a largish law enforcement/detective-type dude wearing a raincoat and a hat (Rip Robertson, John Adrian O'Hare?) is visible walking towards this particular vehicle in the film. I'm also pretty sure that there is a Rambler parked on the Elm Street Extention as JFK and Jackie are going down Elm Street, as captured in a well-known Croft photo... I don't know if the two cars I'm talking about are included in your four-car list. Tommy P.S. There is also a Rambler, with two or three men in it, "captured" in an Allen photo as it passes right in front of the crowd gathered in the Grassy Knoll steps and sidewalk area a few minutes after the assassination. NOTE: No, I'm not talking about the famous Murray photo (taken from where Buddy Walther and Co. were looking for a bullet that hit near the manhole cover on the other side of Elm) that shows a Rambler in the background coming down Elm Street behind a bus..

Richard, Yeah, something like that. You know, I was just thinking--- Maybe the "cops and tramps" were all bad guys, providing cover for each other. That would be really clever, wouldn't it? I think it's been pretty well established that some members of the DPD and Sheriff's Dept. did have some, well, let's say, "questionable backgrounds and connections", so as fas as I'm concerned it doesn't matter if the uniformed guys in the photos were "real cops" or "actors" in order for the above theory to fly. --Tommy Hmmm...... Real cops or pretenders, an excellent way to walk out of the rail yards in front of a multitude of witnesses without arousing any suspicion. Richard, Absolutely! --Tommy

Yet may I ask, Tom, what is it you expect to find out about Priscilla Johnson McMillan? What do you seek? What do you hope to find? Her fascination for JFK researchers, as far as I can tell, is that she stubbornly agrees with the Warren Commission theory of the lone gunman, even after 1979 when the US Government itself stopped pushing that fabrication. Well, IMHO she does that because she based her best-selling book (the source of her career) on her book, Marina and Lee (1977), which largely repeats the story and the conclusion of the Warren Commission. She has no further information than that, and she never really tried to get more information than that. That, IMHO, is the key reason that she sticks to her story with such tenacity. She once boasted that she accounted for all of Lee Oswald's time in New Orleans, as far as possible. That's absurd, because her only source was Marina Oswald, and after Lee lost his job at the Reilly Coffee Company in mid-July, he didn't tell Marina for more than a month -- but he left the house every morning as if he was going to work. So, Marina, and thus Priscilla Johnson McMillan, cannot account for hundreds of hours of Oswalds time in July and August, 1963. Ms. McMillan knows that - but she never bothered to try to fill in those gaps. Also, Lee Oswald always rented a new PO Box whenever he moved. This is typical of every Intelligence agent, contractor or wannabe. Also, Oswald had more money than his part-time temporary jobs could ever account for. This did not stimulate Ms. McMillan's imagination in the slightest. She hastily concluded that Oswald rented PO Boxes to avoid offending his landlords with his Communist newspaper subscriptions. (But Oswald was a street-corner hawker!) I don't see what crime Ms McMillan is guilty of beyond stubbornness or laziness. She merely repeats what Marina Oswald said (almost parrot-like) and adds nothing of any substance, nor omits anything of any substance. The fact that this played into the hands of the Warren Commission, FBI and CIA, and earned her a lot of money; all this seems to be to be a coincidence, since she was never going to change her opinion in any case. Ms. McMillan's main flaw was this belief: that if Marina Oswald didn't know everything that was going on with Oswald, then it was impossible for anybody to find out. That was her mistake. But aside from that, I can't see what anybody seeks to find from her. Maybe that's because I personally believe that Oswald's role in the JFK conspiracy was strictly limited, and he withheld even the little that he knew from Marina. I also personally believe that Oswald was mainly what we see in the Warren Report -- a bumbler. The main deception the Warren Report added was the myth that Oswald was a loner -- when actually he was continually surrounded by people (outside of his home life). He was a bumbler, but a social bumbler. Yes, Lee would spend hours by himself in his room, but we know now that he was developing photographs for prospective spy work, or writing secret codes in beginner's binary scripts and glow boxes; and that this was for the benefit of OTHERS. Marina herself believed that Lee was a loner, because Lee never brought any of his associates home to meet Marina (that is, from the New Orleans period forward. Before that, Lee refused to encourage Marina to learn English, because he wanted to keep her ti himself -- he was a jealous guy (especially where George Bouhe was concerned). So, because Marina believed Oswald was a loner, therefore Ms. McMillan printed that Oswald was a loner, and since she printed it, she believed it, and will never change her mind. Since it matched the Warren Commission mythology, she was amply rewarded for as long as the lone-gunman theory held public attention -- through the 1990's. And far more people read Marina and Lee than ever read the Warren Report. In the post Oliver Stone period, she has done nothing more than repeat herself and stand by her lucrative work. She doesn't seem to be much of a CIA agent, in my book. Best regards, --Paul Trejo But Paul, can't you see? McMillan has all these seven-degrees-of-separation-connections, so she must have been a deep cover agent positioned in Moscow at just the right time to "interview" LHO. Why can't you see that she must have been a MKULTRA agent sent to Moscow to further the programing of Ozzie by slipping some window Paine acid into his Doktor Pepper.and then, of course, "sweet talking" him into abject patsy-ness by whispering "Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine,...." ten-to-the-ninth times in his widdle patsy-esque ear? LOL --Tommy

Pat, I think Sirhan worked mostly at Santa Anita in the Los Angeles area, but I could be wrong on that. --Tommy

Richard, Yeah, something like that. You know, I was just thinking--- Maybe the "cops and tramps" were all bad guys, providing "cover" for each other. That would be really clever, wouldn't it? I think it's been pretty well established that some members of the DPD and Sheriff's Dept. did have some, well, let's say, "questionable backgrounds and connections", so as fas as I'm concerned it doesn't matter if the uniformed guys in the photos were "real cops" or "actors" in order for the above theory to fly. --Tommy Hmmm......