Thomas Graves

David, With all due respect, I'm counting on you to ferret out the "really good goodies." You whited out a crypto that had been released? Why did you do that? To protect James, or just to make it a bit more ... mysterious? -- Tommy PS Is Duran's "not mentioning (to the asset) any of the details of her meeting with Oswald" the same as her saying Oswald wasn't the guy she'd dealt with at the consulate? Is that what James is trying to assert?

James, Why do I want to know? LOL Well, I'd like to research them if I can. I hope that's okay with you. With all due respect, should I accept your statement as fact simply because you posted it? -- Tommy

James, Fascinating stuff. What were the names of those two informants? I mean, do you remember? Are you at liberty to tell us? -- Tommy

Glenn, Is this the post you wanted me to reread? -- Tommy

Glenn, With all due respect, which of my many inadequacies are you referring to? -- Tommy

Paul, [EDIT ALERT: Removal of a very offending and sarcastic phrase] Xxxx xxx xxx xxxxxxx, did it cause you a severe case of cognitive dissonance? How many pages did you read, anyway? Did you read Bagley's explanation of how CIA went about "deciding otherwise" on Nosenko? (It's near the beginning of his 2015 PDF "Ghosts of the Spy Wars.") http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2014.962362 -- Tommy

James, So if "The Sword and the Shield" is chock-a-block full of disinformation, it's fair to assume that it's another example of Russian active measures / strategic deception against us and our allies, yes? -- Tommy

Do I think it's possible that Lucien Sarti shot at JFK from behind the Grassy Knoll Fence? Yes, I suppose that it's possible. But there are several other threads on this forum that deal with Sarti one way or another, and this particular thread is about the possibility that George de Mohrenschildt was a long term KGB "illegal" in the U.S. Good luck with your research! -- Tommy

But, with all due respect, I thought you'd written a book? -- Tommy

James, "Molehunt" was written in 1992, for cryin' out loud. And yes, I have read it. Have you gotten around to reading Tennent H. Bagley's 2007 book "Spy Wars" yet, or even his much shorter 2014 PDF "Ghosts of the Spy Wars"? Please get back to me when you have, so we can have an equally well-informed and intelligent debate. -- Tommy PS. Your boy Mangold was wrong about Popov. If you'll finally read " Spy Wars" you'll realize that he was betrayed to the Ruskies in 1957 by Edward Ellis Smith, the first CIA officer the KGB ever recruited.

Thanks for that, James. Hmm. If memory serves, Andrew and Mitrokhin in "The Sword and the Shield" say that Yuri Nosenko was a true defector. So I guess he wasn't, after all, huh. Or did Andrew and Mithrokhin only prevaricate about Lane? I'm SO confused. (LOL) -- Tommy

Wikipedia: In 1975, Putin joined the KGB, and trained at the 401st KGB school in Okhta, Leningrad.[23][37] After training, he worked in the Second Chief Directorate (counter-intelligence), before he was transferred to the First Chief Directorate, where he monitored foreigners and consular officials in Leningrad.[23][38][39]From 1985 to 1990, he served in Dresden, East Germany,[40] using a cover identity as a translator.[41] According to Putin's biographer Masha Gessen, "Putin and his colleagues were reduced mainly to collecting press clippings, thus contributing to the mountains of useless information produced by the KGB."[41]According to Putin's official biography, during the fall of the Berlin Wall that began on 9 November 1989, he burned KGB files to prevent demonstrators from obtaining them.[42] After the collapse of the Communist East German government, Putin returned to Saint Petersburg, where in June 1991, he worked with the International Affairs section of Saint Petersburg State University, reporting to Vice-Rector Yuriy Molchanov.[39] There, he looked for new KGB recruits, watched the student body, and renewed his friendship with his former professor, Anatoly Sobchak, the Mayor of Saint Petersburg.[43] Putin resigned with the rank of Lieutenant Colonel on 20 August 1991,[43] on the second day of the 1991 Soviet coup d'état attempt against the Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev.[44] Putin said: "As soon as the coup began, I immediately decided which side I was on", although he also noted that the choice was hard because he had spent the best part of his life with "the organs".[45] In 1999, Putin described communism as "a blind alley, far away from the mainstream of civilization. 46 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin -- Tommy

Beats the heck out of me. Igor Vaganov and an associate? -- Tommy

John, Perhaps it's mentioned somewhere in this thread (which I sheepishly admit I've not read in it's entirety, quite yet) -- In 2007 Mihai Pacepa published his book "Programmed to Kill: Lee Harvey Oswald, the KGB, and the Kennedy Assassination." Which book is referenced several times in this fascinating, article: http://www.scientiapress.com/kgb-kennedy#foot_text_85_2 -- Tommy

"To use a baseball analogy, any theory that posits that the Soviets killed JFK, (given the relations between the 2 powers at that time) is pretty far out there in a ballpark with a very spacious right field. There's no motive." -- Kirk Gallaway -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How ironic, then, that we somehow ended up with a pro-KGB-boy Vladimir Putin, anti-NATO "useful idiot" as our current president. You know, after only ninety-plus years Soviet/Russian "active measures" counterintelligence ops, artfully interwoven with fifty-eight years of "strategic deception" ops against us and our allies, and the attendant over-the-top Conspiracy Theory Mindset said ops engendered, encouraged, and manipulated. (Hey, who needs fact-checking when we have groovy click-bait "news items," "ads," and algorithms! Thank you very much, Roger Ailes. Your mentor, Vladislav Surkov, would be proud.) -- Tommy

Michael Walton, With all due respect, I didn't ask you whether or not you thought the source of funding behind the Steele Dossier was "cricket" (regardless, before the DNC got involved, it was funded by a conservative "Never Trump" Republican), or whether or not you thought the The Dossier should have been taken as seriously by the FBI as it was (we now know that a Trump insider, Papadopoulos, inadvertently confirmed its importance and appropriateness), but rather, in so many words, whether or not you thought Russia's FSB and GRU hacked DNC's and Podesta's e-mails, and gave them (through a Russian calling himself "Guccifer 2.0" or a group of Russians calling itself "Guccifer 2.0") to pro-Putin / anti-Hillary Wikileaks and DNCLeaks to parcel out to the American electorate during the campaign. It's clear to me (and 17 U.S. intelligence agencies and departments) that that's the case, and, more importantly, that it's an example of a "KGB" active measures counterintelligence operation against us, the same kind of debilitating "warfare" that's been waged non-stop against us and our allies by USSR/Russia since 1921. ..... -- Tommy

I'm so sorry, Ron. I thought we'd communicated with each other, via posts, before I took my "vacation." My bad. Welcome! -- Tommy PS -- Have anything else to say about the subject of this thread?

Rich(ard?), Is writing a book about the assassination of JFK something that determines whether or not a person has a significant amount of knowledge about the subject, AND is able to communicate it in an unbiased manner? Anyone can write a book. Especially about the JFK assassination. (Few established facts required; spinning, weaving, and fabricating strongly encouraged.) -- Tommy (aka Tom; Thomas) PS -- Welcome to the Forum!

Michael, You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Thank you for sharing it, and thank you for being civil. Let me ask you a question -- Do you think the FSB and the SVR and the GRU had anything to do with Trump's "beating" Hillary Clinton in the election, or do you think all of the "wounds" she suffered during the campaign were self-inflicted, and even, perhaps, ... deserved? -- Tommy

If one were to read "The Sword and the Shield" by Christopher Andrew and KGB defector Vasili Mitrokhin, one would realize that Mark Lane was, perhaps unwittingly, subsidized by The Communist Party of the United States of America (CPUSA). -- Tommy 4/11/18 EDIT ALERT: I NOW REALIZE THAT THIS (PROBABLE) SLANDERING OF LANE WAS PROBABLY JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A CLEVER RUSKIE "ACTIVE MEASURES" COUNTERINTELLIGENCE OP AND/OR A RUSKIE "STRATEGIC DECEPTION" OP. -- TG

Paul, With all due respect, did you ever read Bagley's book "Spy Wars," or even finish his 35-page PDF "Ghosts of the Spy Wars" that you found so confusing several months ago? Rhetorical question: Do you believe that DNC's and Podesta's e-mails were hacked by FSB's "Cozy Bear" and GRU's "Fancy Bear," and given, by one of those two Russian intelligence services in the name of "Guccifer 2.0," to pro-Putin Julian Assange and DNCLeaks to distribute to the American electorate during last year's presidential campaign, or would you rather agree with Binney when he says it was an "inside job" at DNC or the NSA? And what about Putin's legions of professional trolls in Saint Petersburg, Russia? (They're still active, you know.) And ..... ? Do you still believe, as Obama did in 2008, that the Cold War really, really ended, as far as the Kremlin was concerned, in 1991? (LOL) -- Tommy https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jun/29/russian-spies-suburban-america

David, The only problem with that theory is that, especially during the first few years of his defection, Golitsyn helped CIA uncover several Soviet spies here and abroad that The Agency had not previously suspected (or who were already "burnt out" and, therefore, expendable), whereas Nosenko not only did not do that, but actually said things that tended to protect much-later-uncovered KGB and GRU spies. -- Tommy

Larry, How about Soviet spies like Aleksey Kulak ("Fedora"), pre-"Bourbon" Dmitry Polyakov, the "illegal" Yuri Loginov, and my personal favorite -- Yuri Nosenko, all of whom pretended to volunteer or allow themselves to be recruited by CIA / FBI, but in fact remained loyal to the Kremlin? Should we include them in our Nosenko-friendly "balanced picture"? -- Tommy

David, What did Philby, MacLean, and Burgess accomplish for the KGB while they were posted in the U.S.? Roger Hollis in England? Did Edward Ellis Smith betray Popov and perhaps recruit other moles, as well? Etc. -- Tommy

David, Have you read Bagley's 2015 PDF "Ghosts of the Spy Wars," or his 2007 book "Spy Wars"? http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2014.962362 https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames -- Tommy