Cliff Varnell
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52 minutes ago, Steve Roe said:
Mr. Varnell, let's cut to the chase, please. Do you believe there was a "plastic or ice bullet fired at the President?
I don't deal with belief. That's for stupid people. The fact is that on the night of the autopsy the three doctors shared the speculation JFK was hit with a high tech round which dissolved. The FBI men took this speculation seriously and one of them called the FBI lab to inquire as to the existence of such weaponry.
The answer to the inquiry was provided to the Church Committee in 1975.
52 minutes ago, Steve Roe said:Yes or No? Front or back?
The facts: shallow soft tissue wound in the back, a non-exiting soft tissue wound in the throat after which JFK acted paralyzed.
52 minutes ago, Steve Roe said:You posted it for some reason, so explain to everyone here following this
You too stupid to figure it out?
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32 minutes ago, Steve Roe said:
You left off this important observation on the very next sentence.
Quote-----> There was also no real sense either way that the wounds were caused by the same kind of bullet. Link below.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=628#relPageId=7&search=O'Neill_affidavit
So, in other words, they talked about it and dismissed that idea of a plastic or ice bullet.
Factually incorrect.
"Following discussion among the doctors relating to the back injury," Sibert called the FBI lab -- at the autopsists' request -- for "information regarding a type of bullet that would almost completely fragmentize."
So obviously the doctors did not dismiss the possibility until Sibert returned from his conversation with Killion, who told him the bullet was on the way to DC from Dallas.
Up to that point a high tech strike was regarded as a plausible explanation for a shallow wound with no bullet.
It remains a plausible explanation.
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1 hour ago, Steve Roe said:
Your source for this statement?
From autopsy-attendee FBI SA Francis O'Neill's sworn affidavit for the House Select Committee on Assassinations, 1978:
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Some discussion did occur concerning the disintegration of the bullet. A general feeling existed that a soft-nosed bullet struck JFK. There was discussion concerning the back wound that the bullet could have been a "plastic" type or an "Ice" [sic] bullet, one which dissolves after contact.
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From autopsy-attendee FBI SA James Sibert's sworn affidavit for the HSCA:
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The doctors also discussed a possible deflection of the bullet in the body caused by striking bone. Consideration was also given to a type of bullet which fragments completely....Following discussion among the doctors relating to the back injury, I left the autopsy room to call the FBI Laboratory and spoke with Agent Chuch [sic] Killion. I asked if he could furnish any information regarding a type of bullet that would almost completely fragmentize (sic).
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Nothing wrong with "Frisco."
"The girls are frisky in old Frisco."
It's "San Fran" that's a problem.
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21 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:
And now we're treated to some additional (unintentional) humor dished up by Mr. Clothes Are Everything Varnell.
Your superior attitude isn't warranted. You've stipulated to two facts -- JFK's jacket collar dropped in Dealey Plaza, JFK's jacket was elevated "a little bit." These observations destroy the SBT.
21 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:Maybe Cliff can now tell all of us WHY any assassin(s) would have any desire at all to fire two obviously non-lethal, low-velocity rounds into JFK's body?
How many times have I been over this with you?
21 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:Did the brain-dead shooters only want to slightly wound the President, vs. ending his life forever?
First shot paralytic -- JFK acted paralyzed in the limo -- the second shot a toxin in case the head shots missed.
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6 hours ago, Steve Roe said:
I'm a clueless LNer, so I defer to your "expertise". So were there two different shots, one from the back and one from the front????
You said it was too low to associate with the throat wound, right?
If so, where did those bullets go?
Help me understand this Mr. Varnell, I'm just a stupid LNer trying to make sense of this. Surely you can explain this, right?
Since you describe yourself as stupid I can as well, right?
JFK was shot in the throat from the front, then about six seconds later shot in the back from behind.
The back shot was a shallow wound in soft tissue. The shot in the throat was also a soft tissue wound that did not exit.
No rounds were recovered during the autopsy.
The night of the autopsy the doctors speculated JFK was struck with a high tech weapon that would dissolve in the body.
Such weapons were developed under US Army cover for the CIA at Fort Detrick, MD.
But you're too stupid to process these facts, by your own admission.
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1 hour ago, Michael Griffith said:
The "4th Reich"???
No Michael, you said it was "beyond absurd" to speculate RFKjr was angling for a post in the next Trump Administration.
That has now been revealed. I'll deal with the rest of your un-informed post later. Why can't you admit you were wrong about RFKjr's ambitions?
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1 hour ago, Denny Zartman said:
It also appears that Beshear's media profile seems to be rapidly rising, so he might be a wild card.
This could be a brilliant pick. He can go toe to toe with Vance over the Hillbilly Thang. Not gonna swing Kentucky, but Beshear can neutralize Vance's appeal to rural voters. Another guy straight out of central casting, 20 years younger than Cooper.
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“Before I was elected as vice president, before I was elected a United States senator, I was the elected attorney general of California. And before that I was a courtroom prosecutor. In those roles I took on perpetrators of all kinds,” Harris told staffers at her campaign’s offices in Wilmington, Delaware. “Predators who abused women. Fraudsters who ripped off consumers. Cheaters who broke the rules for their own gain. So hear me when I say: I know Donald Trump's type.” -- Kamala Harris
Only a female could land that line.
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On 7/20/2024 at 10:31 AM, Pete Mellor said:
😆 Keep pushing this Cliff. The truth will out!
Thank you, Pete. It's fun to make the LNers STFU. Gaeton Fonzi showed how it was done back in '66 when he confronted Arlen Specter with the clothing evidence, inducing a nervous breakdown.
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On 6/19/2024 at 3:37 AM, Michael Griffith said:
This is beyond absurd.
Michael Griffith owes me an "I stand corrected."
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1 hour ago, Kirk Gallaway said:
Independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. suggested being given a senior job overseeing a portfolio of health and medical issues, an idea that the Trump campaign rejected, according to several people familiar with the matter.
I had first heard that RFK Jr. did this secretly in 2017, but no this just happened! RFK approached Trump about throwing his support to Trump if Trump gave him a job to head a "Vaccine task Force." ??? And Trump rejected him!
"But there were concerns among some Trump advisers that Kennedy — a fervent critic of vaccines — would not be appropriate in such a job and that such an agreement could be problematic, the people said."
Yes we in MAGA land, just don't think that would be "appropriate." heh heh heh heh
Talk about selling your soul to the devil for a wacko cause, and getting rejected!
Called it!
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/30331-is-rfkjr-angling-for-a-cabinet-post-in-the-4th-reich/
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On 6/19/2024 at 3:37 AM, Michael Griffith said:
This is beyond absurd.
RFK Jr reportedly held Trump talks about endorsement and possible job
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/22/rfk-jr-trump-talks
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5 hours ago, Matt Allison said:
I'm a big fan of Roy Cooper, and the state of North Carolina in general, so I'm biased towards him, but if I was betting real money on it, I'd guess Kelly gets the nod.
I've read that Cooper is a "personal favorite" of Harris. Purely on a level of optics, he looks straight out of central casting.
A Harris-Shapiro ticket would be the first in history with no white Christian male. That would drive the Christian fascists even more insane -- one reason I'm pulling for the pick.
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20 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:
Cliff,
I just saw this Rolling Stone article. Exactly what I was anticipating from the MAGA Merde-verse. 🙄
MAGA Republicans Launch Racist, Sexist Attacks Against Kamala Harris (rollingstone.com)
I didn't mean to pooh-pooh your analysis, only pointing out the MAGA act of political suicide.
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At the Republican convention the MAGA types were measuring the drapes for the White House.
Now they can measure the coffin for Trumpism.
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7 hours ago, Tom Gram said:
Great observation. I couldn’t think of any potential candidate with a legitimate chance to beat Trump at this point, but Michelle Obama definitely fits the bill.
If she doesn’t run, and I doubt she will, I think four more years of Trump is basically inevitable. Call me cynical, but I don’t think Harris has any chance in hell. With more time maybe, but it seems like Trump just has too much momentum right now.
Old news. Trump's pick of JD Vance and that low energy acceptance speech pleased no one not already committed to him.
The small donor donation for Harris has reached $100 million, plus another $150 million to the main Dem super-PAC.
The Dems have a well-developed ground game, Trump doesn't.
As a betting man, I'd love to get down on Harris (hey, that's a gambling expression, you filthy minds out there.)
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11 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:
If Harris emerges as the nominee, we're going to witness a truly horrific MAGA Sh*t Show of misogyny and racism from Trump, Fox, Newsmax, Breitbart, and Elon Musk's MAGA goons on X-Twitter this summer.
Is that going to attract female voters and voters of color?
11 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:It's going to be ugly-- even worse than the Karl Rove/Limbaugh tropes about "Barack the Magic (Muslim) Negro," Benghazi and Hillary's alleged seizure disorder, and four years of Fox tropes about Biden's age.
The right wing Trump Evangelicals will probably start referring to Kamala as the Apocalyptic, "Whore of Babylon," etc.
Right now they're criticizing her laugh and advocacy of paper straws.
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7 hours ago, Nick Bartetzko said:
Thank you. You ever so clearly responded to my question.
Don't thank me yet. Watch the show first.
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The Biden-Harris campaign had $240 million on hand, and that goes automatically to Harris if she's the nominee. Any other candidate would have to pull a lot of strings to access that cash.
CNN has identified 4 top candidates for VP: Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona, Gov. Roy Cooper of North Carolina, Gov. Andy Beshear of Kentucky, and Gov. Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania.
Out of those four, I think Shapiro and Kelly have the best shot.
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"Americans are stupid people by and large. We pretty much believe whatever we're told."
"The bigger the lie -- the more they believe."
-- The Wire
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4 hours ago, Nick Bartetzko said:
Dr WN,
Thanks again for your comments and perspective. I was also hoping for a response as to the problem with inner city violence, but maybe that would be more appropriate for a sociologist to respond to.
Nick
Watch The Wire.
One of my favorite scenes.
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3 highly inflationary Trump promises:
10% across the board tariffs on imported goods.
Deportation of 45% of the agricultural workforce.
Deportation of 25% of construction workforce.
3 budget-busting Trump promises:
Tax cuts for the top 1%.
An "Iron Dome" national air defense system.
Construction of detention camps for the undocumented and tent cities for the homeless -- an American gulag.
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4 hours ago, Paul Rigby said:
Trump on Taxes, Tariffs, Jerome Powell and More
He keeps circling back to William McKinley, who he says raised enough revenue through tariffs during his turn-of-the-20th-century presidency to avoid instituting a federal income tax yet never got the appropriate credit.
Fascists don't know what a tariff is.
Trump brags about all the billions of dollars the Chinese paid in tariffs. That's a lie, of course.
Domestic wholesalers pay the tariffs, not the producers. In the US it's Amazon, Walmart, Target and Best Buy who pay the tariffs, the cost passed down to the consumers.
2024 Democratic Presidential Nominee
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How many times did the Russia-hacked-the-DNC story make the cable news cycle (roughly 9am EST to 9am EST the next day) over the last 5 months of the 2016 Prez campaign?
Twice. June 14/15 and July 24/25. Nothing over the last 70 days.
How many times before the election did the Access Hollywood Trump scandal make the cable news cycle after James Comey re-opened the Hillary e-mail non-scandal on Oct. 28, 2016?
Zero.