Cliff Varnell

Just now, David Von Pein said:

Repeating the evidence that hangs Oswald, you mean. That's what's being repeated. And it should be repeated--daily. Because this evidence isn't going to suddenly disappear.

 

No witness claimed they saw Oswald shoot Kennedy.  Quit making stuff up.

2 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:

Both of those things (age & looks) are, of course, purely subjective observations.

The overall evidence indicates, without much doubt, that Brennan saw Lee H. Oswald in the 6th-floor window.

 

That's not what Brennan said, that he saw Oswald.  Your "overall evidence" is simply lone nutters repeating themselves.

REVEALED: Trump campaign secret data on gunman’s family

https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed-trump-campaign-secret-data-on-gunmans-family

The owner of the rifle used to shoot at Donald Trump had been identified by the former president’s campaign as a strong republican, likely gun owner and “hunter”, as revealed today by Channel 4 News.

1 minute ago, David Von Pein said:

CTer pretending, in essence, that Howard L. Brennan never even existed. As usual.

Brennan said the shooter was in his early 30's and nice-looking.  That's not Oswald..

12 minutes ago, Gerry Down said:

You got me 😁

You fooled me, Gerry.  Good one...

5 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:

Dead wrong (of course).

 

Lone Nutter repeating himself, of course.

8 minutes ago, Gerry Down said:

Nursing home was prob a cover for CIA/Pentagon special ops.

If the Trump shooting was a CIA/Pentagon special op the perp would use a sniper rifle, not an AR.

9 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

(Wow... talk about misogyny)

 

In defense of Hillary Clinton:

Conventional wisdom in the first decade of this century, was that a woman couldn't win the presidency because she'd supposedly be weak on defense.

That's the reason Hillary was made Secretary of Defense and was hawkish.

As for the bombing of Libya... not a good idea, but Hillary & Obama were not alone. Ten members of the UN voted for the bombing and none voted against it. Fourteen NATO countries -- including the U.S., Canada, Denmark, France, Italy, Spain, and the U.K. -- participated in it.

 

As VP, Joe Biden opposed NATO's Libya operation.  You won't hear that from Mr. DiEugenio, of course.

2 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

History certainly does have a habit of repeating itself.

Multiple witnesses saw Crooks shoot Trump.

There's video of Crooks crawling into position.

Crooks was shot on the spot.

There were no witnesses to Oswald shooting.

No films or photos show Oswald on the 6th floor of the TSBD.

Oswald was shot 2 days later.

Lone nutters and gun nutters have a history of repeating themselves.

41 minutes ago, Karl Kinaski said:

Kennedy was a foreign policy Maverick. Despite Trump is a very different character, he is a foreign policy Maverick. Kennedy was against the US running around and igniting wars. Trump is against the US running around igniting wars. Both men received bullets for that. 2024 is 1963. 

So Trump was shot because he's a peacenik?

Trump pulled out of the Iran nuke deal and assassinated the #2 Iranian leader.

Kennedy green-lit the overthrow of Diem, one of the most calamitous foreign policy decisions of the post-WW2 era.

I think folks need to stifle the hero-worship.

21 minutes ago, Karl Kinaski said:

 

@Cliff Varnell for your expertise 

You even provided a motive ... would you mind to help out the FBI? They are a bit in a dead end ... they are short of clairvoyants I heard ... 

You put this up two posts ago.  Forgetful?

21 minutes ago, Karl Kinaski said:

 

And don't forget to give Mike Benz a call. 

How would Benz know if Crooks posted online if there's no proof of it?

3 hours ago, Karl Kinaski said:

He remains a non-entity.

Far from it.  We know he was a registered Republican described by classmates as politically conservative, and his neighbors witnessed Trump signs in his yard.  He routinely wore camouflage clothing to class, in spite of getting picked on for it.  He wore a super-patriot shirt for his high school yearbook photo, and wore a shirt to the shooting promoting a right-wing gun channel on YouTube.  

He was MAGA doing what MAGAts do -- get violent.

LHO couldn't have possibly made the shots attributed to him.

Crooks was such a poor marksman he probably couldn't have done any better.

LHO belonged to the Fair Play for Cuba Committee.

Trump signs witnessed outside the Crooks' house.

Pro-Trump signs spotted outside would-be assassin's home: witnesses

https://www.rawstory.com/thomas-crooks-trump-signs/

44 minutes ago, Gerry Down said:

How come its "Crooks shot at Trump" and not "Crooks allegedly shot at Trump"?

Multiple witnesses saw him do it, there's film of him crawling up the roof into position, there is no other credible firing location.

In a thread about strained comparisons, allow me to make another.

Oswald associated with George DeMohrenschildt, an alleged Nazi agent.

Crooks shot at Trump, who picked for Vice President a guy who once referred to Trump as "America's Hitler."

5 hours ago, Gerry Down said:

Oswald was left-wing and into guns. The notion that only conservatives are into guns doesn't add up. 

Your mis-characterization of Crooks' political affiliation doesn't add up.

23 minutes ago, Gerry Down said:

TMC involved himself in contradictory positions (registered Republican & donating to Democratic causes).

Factually incorrect.  Crooks donated $15 to Biden's inaugural.  That's it.  He was a conservative Republican gun nut in all other ways.

5 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

First-day coverage. Interesting take. 

So in order to get his "iconic" photo op, Trump stood in the open endangering the lives of everyone on-stage.

Never surrender?  How about Always Stupid?

3 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:

I hope it doesn't ruin your day, Cliff, to know, I've agreed with pretty much everything you've said in this thread. 

As long as we stay away from the JFKA medical evidence, you and I are okay.

23 minutes ago, Ty Carpenter said:

Do democrats hate Mt Rushmore or something? When did reps corner the market on the ole monument?

No, Democrats don't hate Mt. Rushmore, they just don't feel the need to show up to a year book photo session promoting it.  That's a right wing fetish.  As is wearing military camouflage to school every day or Demolition Ranch gear to a mass shooting.  Crooks was the product of a right wing gun fetish culture Trump did his best to inflame.

1 hour ago, Ty Carpenter said:

You missed the point. I think it’s apparent he was a registered rep, but did he hold conservative values?

Since Crooks was the shy, quiet type we may never see any social media manifestos.  But consider this:

For his high school year book photo he showed up in a T-shirt with Mt. Rushmore super-imposed on an American flag.

From USA Today:

Jason Kohler attended Bethel Park High School with Crooks and said he remembers the 20-year-old sat alone at lunch and was “bullied every day.” Kids picked on Crooks for wearing camouflage to class and his quiet demeanor, Kohler, 21, said.

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He insisted on wearing camouflage to class every day in spite of the fact the other kids bullied him for it.

Then there is the t-shirt he wore to the shooting -- Demolition Ranch, a right-wing gun nut website.

Crooks wore his political affiliation on his sleeve -- literally.

1 hour ago, Ty Carpenter said:

I have a hard time believing a republican would shoot the Don.

A lot of patriotic conservatives hate Trump.  Liz Cheney, William Kristol, Paul Ryan, the Lincoln Project to name a few.

15 minutes ago, Gil Jesus said:

Answer: absolutely. Different names, same corrupt government, same deep state inciting hatred against one man. The tactics may be different, but it's the same motive: make sure he doesn't get a second term.

Same infantile inability to take responsibility for their obsession with political violence.

1 minute ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Maybe so. But not because Trump says it, but rather because the right-wing says it. I mean, he obviously isn't a Trump supporter.

To me he sure seems like a Trump hating, guns rights conservative.

 

Me too!  Was Lynn Cheney swayed by leftist rhetoric to oppose Trump?  No she was swayed by Trumps words and actions.

6 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

I think we can safely assume Crooks was no Trump fan, but the truth is, we don’t know s**t about this kid’s motive or political leanings yet.

Since he wore a super-patriotic t-shirt for his high school yearbook photo and wore gear from a right-wing gun website to the shooting, it's safe to say he doesn't fit the profile of a left-winger. 

6 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

What do we actually know? He registered as a Republican at 18, but donated to the Progressive Turnout Project. That tells us precisely nothing about Crooks’ actual beliefs, and even less about his motive. 

I also just read in the NYT that his mother was a Democrat, and his father a Libertarian. 

Other than that, what do we have? Crooks’ choice of T-shirts? 

Exactly.  The t-shirt he wore for his high school year book and the t-shirt he wore for the shooting are as clear a statement as any manifesto.

He donated $15 on the day of Biden's inauguration, consistent with a super-patriot.

6 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

All I’m trying to say is let’s wait until we have some actual evidence and background on this kid before jumping to conclusions.

We have that, whether you choose to acknowledged it or not.