Debate night he was getting over a cold, most likely.

The next day in North Carolina:

.Americans love a comeback story.

41 minutes ago, Roger Odisio said:

That's not a reasonable assumption, Cliff.

Given Biden's record, there is no chance he will reverse his "transparency plan" and seek release of outstanding JFK records. 

Nothing Trump says can be taken at face value. But there is a nonzero chance he will release some records. That doesn't mean Jim endorses Trump, even apparently, or will celebrate his victory. There are a few other matters to consider.

Jim didn't politicize the issue.  It is a legit issue because it could lead to some further look at the political murders of the 60s and what they have done to the country.  Keep up this line, Cliff, and you could be qualified to be a mod.

It's a legal issue, not the issue of a political campaign.  Once it's an issue in a political campaign the matter has been politicized.

Similar to the release of Julian Assange.  Even though there was debate over the matter it never became an issue in a political campaign.

2 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Stay the course JD.

The tiresome partisan narratives are off base, per usual. 

Then why do you insist the release of the files should be a campaign issue?

8 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Paul, when someone quotes CV I have to read his junk, which proves to me all over that he is not worth reading.

Rubbish. I would rather not vote for anyone than vote for Trump.

This is a see-through attempt to politicize a legal issue for his own personal agenda.

The hypocrisy is staggering.

12 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Would you care to quote a relevant passage on this thread or in the article that reads like a trump endorsement by Jim? 

An apparent endorsement?  Sure.

"[Adamczyk] now chimes in on what can be done in the presidential campaign to make this an issue. Which it should be."

It is apparent that Mr. DiEugenio thinks the release of the JFK files "should be" an issue in "the presidential campaign."  Trump is running on the promise to release the files.  It's a reasonable inference that Mr. DiEugenio will celebrate a Trump victory given the importance of the issue to him.

Mr. DiEugenio has politicized the issue, not me.  If you find it tiresome you should take it up with him.

44 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Well...I hope so. 

You know, the JFK Records Act is a huge story on its own. 

But it is even bigger than that. 

Are we going to have a government of law? Will we have a media that tries to hold government to law? 

In general, should the US government be transparent, or...should actors within the federal government be able to unilaterally declare documents secret in perpetuity? 

And...how can we have trust in a White House that willfully, indeed with extraordinary effort and chicanery, violates law and keeps secrets? 

What has happened to the JFK Records Act is corrosive to democracy.

As if we needed more distrust among citizens, government and the two major parties. 

 

 

Nothing restores faith in government like electing someone who plans to overthrow it.

6 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

Ron:

This is not political. There are people on this board who want to make it political.

That's rich.  Mr. DiEugenio writes that the release of the files should be a campaign issue then he writes that it's not political.

17 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

And everyone should recognize DiEugenio's earnest nature and concerns regarding the JFKA/RFK1As. 

Respect is a two-way street, Ben.

5 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

Here is the opening to Andrew's masterful article:

In the waning hours of the evening of Friday, June 30, 2023, long after the filing deadlines of the media elite in Washington D.C. and even longer after the most dedicated talking head had left to celebrate their July 4th independence from tyranny in the Hamptons, the Biden Administration issued an Executive Memorandum that is a flagrant and illegitimate attempt to terminate an Act of Congress and usurp congressional authority over its own processes and records. A copy of President Biden’s Executive Memorandum is here.

It is unclear what truly prompted President Biden to take a flamethrower to an Act of Congress that he himself voted for in 1992 as a member of the Senate, due to bipartisan public pressure to release records related to the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

No one has defended Joe Biden's snuff job on the JFK Records Act.  The issue is Donald Trump's empty campaign promises, and the MAGA attempt to co-opt "anti-establishment" communities.

7 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

BTW, I have to add, the JFK Records Act is not supposed to be a political grandstand.

Its a law.  One that has been disobeyed.

But whatever Trump did, and it was pretty bad, what Biden did was worse.

But we are not supposed to mention that because somehow that is off limits for purposes of political correctness.

Jim can mention it all he wants.  But his contention that it's an actual campaign issue requires gullibility of a high order.

7 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

I don't buy it.

William, Matt and CV know little or nothing about that Act.  Please show me their work on it besides grandstanding?

The issue is Trump's sincerity regarding the release of the files.  Jim DiEugenio knows little or nothing about current American politics.  He doesn't even know what a "news cycle" is.

7 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

 

Here is is his now classic analysis of just what Joe Biden did to the Act.  Just remember, Biden is the guy who has a bust of RFK in the Oval Office and JFK's portrait in his study.    Pitiful.

Here is a thoroughly ill-informed analysis of Donald Trump's campaign promise to release the files.

18 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

I could not agree more Ben.

Mark is going to try and contact Napolitano.

We are really lucky to have Andrew Iler and Mark at K and K on this issue.

Their contributions have been invaluable.

 

 

“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”

― Mark Twain

50 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

JD-

Thanks for posting an important article on the JFK Records Act. 

Yes, of course, the JFK Records Act should be an issue in 2024---and every year. 

 

In order for the release of the JFK files to be an actual issue in the 2024 Presidential election, one must buy the idea Trump is sincere.

Why would anyone familiar with American politics believe that?

47 minutes ago, Matt Allison said:

LOL at anyone that is still suckered in by anything Trump says.

You might as well walk around all day with a "Kick Me" sign taped to your back.

Good one, Matt.

If it were only Trump spewing dictator fantasies he could be readily ignored.  But the promises of his allies are alarming.

MAGA has laid out its plan to sabotage elections, sanction discrimination and steal rights

https://www.dispatch.com/story/opinion/letters/2024/06/22/what-is-project-2025-magas-plan-for-domination/74154633007/

47 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

I agree Cliff, that's a terrible deal. Even if it were guaranteed the JFK record would be released if Trump were elected, I'd still vote against him. There's just too much damage he could do to our democracy and who knows what else.

 

“A republic, if you can keep it.”

--Benjamin Franklin's response to Elizabeth Willing Powel's question: "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"

In 2024 we run a serious risk of NOT "keeping it."

12 minutes ago, Matthew Koch said:

It is reallyfunny because the "dictator" let people vote him out of office!

Not without a fight.  I guess you were out of the country for January 6, 2021.

He's been indicated on four felonies for not letting the people peacefully vote him out. 

13 minutes ago, Matthew Koch said:

Stay on topic, Please. 

Buisness insider is the source? As the guy you voted for would say: "COME on Man???  alkjdl;kajdf; a"

Trump's inability to process information is THE topic.

1 minute ago, Matthew Koch said:

 

RFK has no chance, so I skipped reading that part, lols, Sounds like it's Trump or Bust for the JFK files. Pretty funny that researchers are more worried about our Democracy and made up Operation Mocking Bird Boogie men like Christian Nationalist aka Dark Ultra MAGA Fascism. (Also, pretty funny) 

Trump openly runs on instituting a dictatorship.

Real funny.

13 minutes ago, Robert Reeves said:

Respectfully ... I prefer it when you stick your neck on the block and go with your convictions regarding the assassination, several theories of which I agree with you on. This MAGA stuff is always a distraction. 

Respectfully, I didn't bring the subject up.

From the K&K article:

<quote on, emphasis added>

So what is a different path to achieving full transparency and declassification on the JFK records? The path is clear and actually quite simple. It does not matter which President takes this path. It could be Trump, Biden or another candidate running in 2024. It would be more difficult for Biden because he would literally have to do a full pivot, reverse his recent Executive orders, come up with plausible reasons for doing so, and then instruct agencies (and his own Executive team) to follow the JFK Act and be accountable for that task. Trump’s path is difficult but less difficult, and I will explain why. Any President, however, can successfully overcome the continued disturbing trend of secrecy regarding the JFK assassination records, and look like a strong and decisive U.S. President while doing so.

If Trump is elected again, he can explain what he experienced in October 2017. He can explain what he told Judge Andrew Napolitano and why. He can explain why felt that he had no choice under last minute pressure from agencies in October 2017 (and again in 2018), including pressure from the CIA.

During this upcoming campaign Trump can explain how he received faulty legal advice from the DOJ’s Office of Legal Counsel at the eleventh hour in making his decisions on the JFK Records, which he did. Trump can obtain an objective and clinical legal analysis demonstrating how the JFK Records Act was intended (by Congress) to operate. Trump can declare with confidence, after receiving competent and objective legal counsel, that the JFK Act was NOT intended for the President--30 years after the passage of the JFK Act--to rewrite the law with a presidential pen. Trump would surely attempt to embarrass Biden regarding his more recent orders, but the issue does not change.

Trump can acknowledge and endorse the recent Tucker Carlson reporting. Trump can pledge to rescind and reverse ALL of Biden’s executive orders on this historical issue. Trump can pledge to issue a new executive order requiring all agencies and NARA to immediately comply with provisions of the JFK Records Act that require an unclassified identification of each assassination record still withheld and why each record should still be withheld today under the standards of the JFK Act. Trump can establish a reasonable deadline for agencies and NARA to complete this ministerial work for the remaining Protected Collection. It could be 6 months, it could be 9 months. But no more arbitrary extensions or delays. Trump could then make a final and independent Presidential decision after receiving this required information from the agencies. And that decision must relate to an identifiable harm as currently posed by a specific record(s).

<quote off>

Mark Adamczyk vastly over-estimates Trump's capabilities.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-looks-at-charts-in-intelligence-briefings-2020-5

Trump doesn't read his intelligence reports, but looks at the graphs, charts, and tables

<quote on>

President Donald Trump often struggles to focus during his intelligence briefings and frequently ignores information he disagrees with, The New York Times reported Thursday, citing 10 current and former intelligence officials familiar with the briefings.

The coronavirus pandemic has only exacerbated the problem, The Times reported. For instance, Trump has blamed a January 23 intelligence briefing for not adequately warning him of the threat the virus posed, even though he was also warned by a bevy of other sources, including epidemiologists, national security officials, biodefense officials, and his own health secretary.

Last month, the Washington Post reported that Trump was warned about the coronavirus threat in more than a dozen intelligence briefings throughout January and February, which were written in the President's Daily Brief, a classified report Trump is given each morning.

But officials told The Times that Trump does not read the written intelligence reports he is given, though he does look at visuals such as graphs, charts, tables, and satellite images. Instead, Trump reportedly prefers to receive information from conservative media and friends. <quote off>

5 years later Trump got sharper?

1 hour ago, Robert Reeves said:

The attempts to shame anyone posting anything related to Trump and the JFK assassination on here are pathetic. Childish, overemotional drivel. 

Any attempt to put Trump above criticism on this issue is incredibly wrong-headed.

"He now chimes in on what can be done in the presidential campaign to make this an issue. Which is should be."

How is that not a rationale for MAGA fascism?

16 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Interesting. But what order should I watch them? Any preference?

 

Breaking Bad first then Better Call Saul.  The latter will expand your understanding of the former -- part of the fun!  Then watch the epilogue -- El Camino: A Breaking Bad Movie.

In the cable TV era only three other series reach this level of greatness (imho): The Sopranos, The Wire, and Mad Men.

16 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

Cliff never misses a chance with you, but I do agree that Trump won’t do it either. 

I call 'em like I see 'em.  Before Jim (thankfully) put me on ignore he accused me of having a sinister "agenda" every time I disagreed with him about anything.

His apparent endorsement of Trump's candidacy over the JFK files is blinkered.

On 6/22/2024 at 10:13 AM, Sandy Larsen said:

 

William,

My 14 year old daughter has been watching Breaking Bad (she's on the final season now) and she's been trying to get me to watch it. She said it's the best series she has ever watched.

Now I know she has good taste.

 

Binge-watch Breaking Bad then binge it's equally great prequel series Better Call Saul.

It's a month well spent.

58 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

Mark is one of the leading attorneys on the JFK Records Act, it was he who discovered the whole key strategy devised by DOJ lawyer Curtis Gannon to dodge the import of the act.

He now chimes in on what can be done in the presidential campaign to make this an issue. Which is should be.

https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/jfk-records-release-trump-at-it-again-is-he-for-real-this-time

The naivete reflected in this article is stunning.  Anyone who thinks Trump has the capacity to grasp any issue beyond a third grade level hasn't been paying attention.  Is he for real?  Gimme a break!

Trading release of the JFK files for a Christian Fascist dictatorship isn't such a hot deal, is it?

His minions have attempted to co-opt "anti-establishment" movements.  The Libertarians shut him down.  Punk rockers like Green Day shut him down.  Only in the JFKA Critical Community has MAGA made in-roads.

The Libertarians and punk rocks are made of sterner stuff.