Cliff Varnell

Humes description is not consistent with a bullet that “did not enter,” as you put it. The wound was shallow, there was a defect in the fascia, but that doesn’t mean the skin wasn’t broken.

Didn’t Humes eventually claim the bullet transited?

Citation please.

Okay. As a habitual naysayer you would say that. What gives you the idea such a thing is possible— other than the demands of a pet theory? Because bullets don’t behave that way. Show us an instance where a high powered rifle slug protruded from an entrance wound.

It ended when FBI SA Sibert called the FBI Lab to follow thru on the autopsists’ ltheory JFK was hit with a high-tech round. That was when the Magic Bullet raised it’s ugly rounded head. The wound was professionally probed — your naysaying aside. What other million to one shots do you find plausible? Uh hunh.

https://www.cryptogon.com/?p=67681 <quote on> Former Secret Service agent, Paul Landis, found the Magic Bullet on the top of the back seat of the limo? Undercharged round??? Mmm hmm. Nealy 60 years after the JFK assassination, we now have Magic Bullet 2.0. Can anyone explain to me how the possibly “undercharged” Magic Bullet 2.0 managed to hit the target at all if the person firing the rifle dialed in DOPE [Data Observed from Previous Engagements?] for a standard velocity round? Not only did the “undercharged” Magic Bullet 2.0 have enough velocity to hit the target using DOPE for a standard round, but it then, “Dislodged from a shallow wound in the president’s back, falling back onto the limousine seat.” If you’re not familiar with shooting high powered rifles, run this scenario past someone who is has and note the response. It will go something like, “No way.” Personal experience: I’ve probably shot something like 15,000 centerfire rifle cartridges in my life, mostly 5.56, 7.62×51 and 7.62×39. Also, some larger stuff, .300 Winmag, .338, etc. How many of those do you think were “Undercharged”? None. Zero. Zilch. I had a few bad primers (under a handful) fail to fire in all of that time. I mostly fired old, cheap military surplus ammo and most of that was not made in the U.S. I don’t think I ever had a U.S. manufactured centerfire rifle round (Winchester, Federal, Remington, etc.) fail to fire. How many “undercharged” centerfire rifle cartridges have you encountered in your decades of shooting? Imagine the odds, on the big day almost 60 years ago… A defective cartridge? Tell me another one. Someone, somewhere might try to sell you on squib loads to explain this. I’m just here to tell you, in over forty years of shooting, it hasn’t happened to me, or any of my friends. (Somewhere on this site you can read about my wife’s cousin trying to kill a pig with a wet .22. That doesn’t count, because first, that’s rimfire, which is less reliable than centerfire and, second, it was wet.) </q>

Because wounds close around bullets. Look it up. For an undercharged round to strike the back the shooter had to have aimed over JFK’s head. Both of these points have been discussed extensively on the EF. From a firearm. We have the reports on the autopsy and their certainty the back shot did not transit.

How many autopsies had Landis performed? Tell us the factual basis for the claim.

Out of 200 autopsies Finck said “many” involved gunshot wounds. “Many” out of 200 autopsies involved gunshots. Interesting that you have to smear any witness inconvenient to your pet theories. Bullets don’t pop out of wounds

He said he performed 200 autopsies. He wasn’t constrained from probing the wound. Jenkins and O’Conner described a wound path that didn’t penetrate the pleura. Your “arguments” are formulaic — you automatically dismiss the evidence of a shallow back wound. Sure we do. The wound was probed repeatedly. There was no exit. Ben, I know your formula — which you will never get off of no matter how many facts contradict you — posits a magical mystery tour with a bullet striking at the level of T3 at a downward angle, then making a drastic change of direction striking the right T1 transverse process, then another magical tour ripping a couple inches of trachea and exiting below the Adam’s apple. Finck was an experienced autopsist, your smearing of the man aside.

The SBT was destroyed in 1966. The Warren Commission, The Truth, and Arlen Specter https://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/GaetonFonzi/WCTandAS.pdf

Finck wasn’t an amateur. Sigh. Another hobbyist attack on the root facts of the case.

Thank you, Karl! I thought it was just me! In what universe is a 60 year old memory better proof of conspiracy than the location of the bullet holes in JFK’s clothes?

Agreed. Conventional firearms don’t leave shallow wounds in soft tissue. A discussion of the kind of firearm that does leave shallow wounds in soft tissue:

Thanks for the history lecture Ben, but you didn’t address my point. You claim the MSM is controlled “99%” by enemies of Donald Trump and yet the MSM spent the ENTIRE last 11 days of the 2016 presidential campaign bashing Hillary. The Deep State installed Trump, which defies your analysis.

Trump ain’t President. He poses no existential threat to either the military or secret service. Trump poses an existential threat to the Establishment Republican wing of the Deep State.

Trump insisted on personal loyalty from everyone who worked for him. Within days he called James Comey of the FBI — the man most responsible for Hillary’s defeat — to dinner and asked for his personal loyalty. This is contrary to American government tradition — people swear allegiance to the Constitution, not one man. That’s a fascist dictatorship. Trump wanted to pull out of NATO and be the apple of Putin’s eye. Yes, that alienated the military brass and they kept him bottled up. But neo-con war hawks loved his Middle East policies. 90% of the people who worked for Trump are critical. And they’re going to whack the 4 times indicted, civilly convicted rapist for that? They ignored his orders. As a motive for assassination it’s weak sauce.

Keyvan, this may be useful. The Skull and Bones wing of The Deep State probably whacked JFK, imo. The people who hate Trump the most are establishment Republicans. May I posit a scenario where Bushes did both?

What gives you that idea? Trump pulled out of the Iran nuke deal and whacked their #2 guy — clearly inviting war. Trump bombed the hell out of Somalia and backed the Saudi actions in Yemen. Leveled Raqqa. He moved the US Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. His treaty with the Taliban proved to be utterly insincere. See above.

The US Gov’t has long been faction-ridden. There are factions in the military hostile to Trump and a whole lot who worship him. Same with every American law enforcement/intel/military institution. There is no one in the Biden Administration who’d seek to whack Trump. They are all settled in front of cable news with popcorn digging the indictments. The scenario is senseless. Much more plausible is a Republican faction with The Deep State plotting to take that stone out of their shoe. https://www.rawstory.com/trump-2024-donors/ <q> According to the Times' Rebecca Davis O’Brien, "Many of the Republican Party’s wealthiest donors share that view, and the growing sense of urgency about the state of the G.O.P. presidential primary race," adding, "That has left major Republican donors — whose desires have increasingly diverged from those of conservative voters — grappling with the reality that the tens of millions of dollars they have spent to try to stop the former president, fearing he poses a mortal threat to their party and the country, may already be a sunk cost." O'Brien wrote that interviews with donors, fundraisers and insiders, "revealed hand-wringing, magical thinking, calls to arms and, for some, fatalism." </q>

Would a military-style ambush of a motorcade in 2023 Dealey Plaza be feasible given the cameras everyone has?

The only people who want to see Trump whacked are right wingers like Carlson. Such an event solves their “Trump Problem” — electoral disaster in ‘24 where the likely Republican candidate will likely have multiple felony convictions. Instead, he’d be the Martyred Hero Who Died For Us — Tucker’s wet dream. The last assassination of an American politician by conspiracy was Rep. Leo Ryan at Jonestown in 1978.

Right wingers hijacked those terms, re-defining them to fit fascististic narratives. Lemme guess where that %1 went... October 28 to November 8, 2016 when CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News ran 24hour bash Hillary coverage of the last days of the campaign. Am I right, Ben?

HOW THE DEEP STATE CAME TO AMERICA: A HISTORY https://warontherocks.com/2019/02/how-the-deep-state-came-to-america-a-history/ <q><emphasis added> [T]he “deep state” became a part of the American lexicon...in early February 2017, just weeks after the inauguration of President Donald Trump, that news reports first mentioned the term’s increased use within the president’s inner circle. Over the following months the president and supporters of his administration publicly embellished upon the deep state’s meaning and significance, making it into a catchphrase for perceived internal adversaries within Washington. </q>