Chris Davidson

David, I find it easier to show what a true measurement would look like compared to the 10" BullSh- - the WC tried. Look no further than z207-210-225 = Curly, Moe and Larry. Z210-z225 = 15 frames/14.9ft traveled and elevation change of .82ft Converted using 10" as the elevation change would equal a distance of: (10/12) .833... / .82 = 1.0162... x 14.9ft = 15.14ft btw, remember while working with decimals and whole frames, there will be a difference of a 18.3/18 =1.0166... Which, in this instance gives you the approx distance difference. And, the appropriate rifle angle change for that 10" elevation change would be reflective of z207 and z225. One result of this being an attempted compression of data melding two shots into one. Now, move the path of the limo 1.1ft (z161-z166) in a southerly direction (what was the lateral difference between JFK and Connally within the limo) and you'll probably arrive at the magic bullet location from the magic rifle location up in the 6th floor SE window. People don't seem to realize that 10" vertical (such as a rifle barrel moving up and down or a shot location on JFK - higher/lower) does not equal 10" moved down Elm St. If a car moves 10" lower down Elm St, that car better move 15.25ft. No easier way to say it.

Nicely stated. An excerpt from Salandria link: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24562-salandria-and-fonzi-discuss-warren-commission-report-1966/ Salandria: I suggest that Specter and the Commission - at least part of the Commission and certainly Specter - had a pre-determined predisposition to arrive at certain inferences irrespective of what the evidence was. And you consider that lacking in integrity. Well I think that's one way of looking at it. But I think that if you put yourself in the role of Specter at this time - and so far as I can empathize with that kind of position - he took a job. He conceived himself as working for a governmental organization which in turn represented the President and had a specific task. And within that framework, he worked. And in that role he saw himself. And in that role he did a job which he considered a good one, and which was entirely consistent because he had an assignment. And that assignment was - I'm afraid had to be - that there was one assassin, one gun, stationed in the rear of the Texas Book Depository building. And that therefore no matter what the evidence, the ultimate inference would be that. That's how I see Specter's role here. In a certain context, he has integrity. He served his employer. He thinks he served the country. I think he served the government.

If the white background building was demo'd between 11-27-63 and 5-24-1964, that would explain the difference.

We have to be more specific than that. The windows are not seen on the official WC (Position A photo used) reenactment. But, fortunately for us, there is other footage from a different vantage point that gives us that WC-Position A match. The checkered pattern is the key. High-Low

David, Setting aside the "slide" question for a moment, Bart pointed out Truly's position within Wiegman. That position matches(close enough)Truly in Bell and Towner.

My movie frame taken from the pedestal on the right side.

Michael, Thank you for stating that succinctly. I do believe we are missing more from the end of Towner's film than we have.

Paul, Plenty has been provided. It appears no conditions will satisfy your expectations. Our discussion is over. Chris

David, Listen to the Tina Towner clip while viewing the side by side frames. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wUpvU6b28UGTslP54m6GVGi6QUCzR_eo/view?usp=sharing The side by side is before JFK the limo reaches Position A.

The analogy would be the 56 chevy? making the turn. The outside left turn lane from Houston onto Elm, would be more indicative of a Truly path, in relationship to the abutment. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cK1h20oqrGCfE_gEeNuowaMiwxTpNXxM/view?usp=sharing

Maybe the WC listened to Truly's description (limo turning onto Elm St) and plotted it (Position A) accordingly. Then again, Position A's path to where the limo is shown at extant Z133, as opposed to where the other films (Towner, Bell) show its path, would add more time/distance/frames to the equation. So, at another point, more time/distance and frames could be subtracted. Think Myers. Same result as Truly's long-winded description. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1589sGWXKv9W_793F4fYQZ-iCqOhNcmxG/view?usp=sharing Mr. SPECTER. When you say that position A is the first position at which President Kennedy was in view of the marksman from the southeast window on the sixth floor of the School Book Depository Building, you mean by that the first position where the marksman saw the rear of the President's stand-in? Mr. SHANEYFELT. That is correct. Mr. SPECTER. So that would be the first position where the marksman could focus in on the circled point where the point of entry on the President was marked? Mr. SHANEYFELT. That is correct. Mr. SPECTER. Could the marksman then have taken a shot at the President at any prior position and have struck him with the point of entry on that spot, on the base of the President's neck? Mr. SHANEYFELT. I don't quite understand the question. Mr. SPECTER. Was there any prior position, that is a position before position A, where the marksman from the sixth floor could have fired the weapon and have struck the President at the known point of entry at the base of the back of his neck? Mr. SHANEYFELT. No; because as the car moves back, you lose sight of the chalk mark on the back of his coat.

Paul, The pedestrians in the crosswalk would be approx 20ft from the abutment. One just has to picture the white trucks arc path intersecting the pedestrians. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Dallas+County+Administration+Building,+411+Elm+St,+Dallas,+TX+75202/@32.779609,-96.808166,3a,75y,220.72h,90.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sktZrvfU95nAJgtau5BF_Yw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x864e9915def944eb:0x5760e9acaf0982b6!8m2!3d32.779839!4d-96.8084445

Paul , my responses are in blue.

Elm St. is 40ft wide. 40/3 lanes = 13 1/3ft per lane Limo = 76.8 inches wide = 6.4ft Limo driver side (Towner film)= 1ft from south lane stripe. 13.3 +1 =14.3 + 6.4 = 20.7ft Limo passenger side is approx 19.3ft from the abutment. 20.7 + 19.3 = 40ft https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PONpZwHzjfWg3nNDUM399hGgFwpVSDpJ/view?usp=sharing

Ron, Baker is between the blue chevy convertible's(Hughes film). The lead one is in the background at Z233. Plotting the front end of it puts it at 96.25ft down Houston St. Minus 17.5ft for car length and another trailing 10ft for Baker. At extant Z233, Baker is 96.25ft - 27.5ft = 68.75 down Houston St. If first shot was at Z223 = another 10/18.3frames = .546 x 13.47ft per sec = (9.3mph= average speed of motorcade down Houston)= 7.35ft At z223, Baker is approx 68.75 - 7.35ft = 61.4ft down Houston St. z313 - z223 = 90zframes = 4.91seconds 4.91 sec x 13.47ft per sec (9.3mph) = 66.13ft z223= 61.4ft + 66.13ft = 127.5ft down Houston at Z313. Corner to Corner Houston St = 200ft CRB Corner to Baker's ultimate parking location if he followed the motorcade path around the Elm St turn = 82ft So, at z313, Baker must drive 200 - 127.5 = 72.5 + 82 = approx 155ft to park his cycle. If he maintains the 9.3mph(13.47ft per sec) motorcade speed for his final 155ft, it will take him 11.5seconds to get to his final destination. Obviously, if he heard a shot earlier than z223, then his distance traveled after z313 would increase.

Paul, The limo enters the intersection at 9.3 mph, slows down to 6.6mph and incrementally climbs to 7.1 then 7.9 and back to 9.3mph. came along at an average speed of 10 or 15 miles an hour. swung out too far to the right, came almost within an inch of running into this little abutment he slowed down perceptibly pulled back to the left get over into the middle lane he had to almost stop probably have hit this little section Chris

Yes, The Bell and Towner films(overlapping in the Elm St turn) complement each other quite nicely (limo speed-as they should) when you apply the correct FPS for both and plot them using Robert West’s plat. The point being, the Elm St. turn is a perfect location to hide distance/time/FPS for whatever adjustments were needed later. Truly tried with his (add some more time) testimony. Myers tried with his multi-film(limo tires-inside diameter) sync project. The WC tried with CE884(2.24/3.74mph) and the Z film start/splice at Z133 along with the (Willis photo sync). The Towner splice (aligned JFK with the TSBD corner). "From what Tina and Jim Towner told me over the years, they had no knowledge of how or when that splice was made. What is known is that the film was developed for them by The Dallas Morning News within a few days of the assassination; available records suggest the film was never seen by investigators until the HSCA. The only other time the film was out of the Towner’s possession was when LIFE magazine borrowed it from them in 1967 for publication in their November issue about Kennedy assassination photographers."

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y_nfcpz4km0-C2OdyUcJddc5epTgTvdL/view?usp=sharing Stabilize the Towner video, realize the speed of the limo around the corner was 7.8mph, view Truly directly across from Towner filming, locate the film splice and listen to Truly: Mr. TRULY. That is right. And the President's car following close behind came along at an average speed of 10 or 15 miles an hour. It wasn't that much, because they were getting ready to turn. And the driver of the Presidential car swung out too far to the right, and he came almost within an inch of running into this little abutment here, between Elm and the Parkway. And he slowed down perceptibly and pulled back to the left to get over into the middle lane of the parkway. Not being familiar with the street, he came too far out this way when he made his turn. Mr. BELIN. He came too far to the north before he made his curve, and as he curved--as he made his left turn from Houston onto the street leading to the expressway, he almost hit this north curb? Mr. TRULY. That is right. Just before he got to it, he had to almost stop, to pull over to the left. If he had maintained his speed, he would probably have hit this little section here.

Paul, I never presumed Myers was correct and have shown that he was wrong. If it wasn't .3 seconds, how long (in your opinion) would it take for Truly's limo description to play out? "WHY LIE ABOUT SOMETHING SO TRIVIAL?" What might be trivial to us obviously wasn't to Truly, otherwise, there wouldn't be a need for his long winded, detailed description(not appearing in any extant films) of the limo approaching the abutment on Elm St. Since "timing" appears rather important in this case, I would start there. Chris

Thanks Bart. I see the hat movement.

Where's Truly in the Bell clip? https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_lDfJUgbVKK2r0bRe08Tu3BaQfQhraXa/view?usp=sharing

Paul, I'm quite familiar with the Towner film. In order for 8 different films to sync through the assassination, Dale Myers said there were 7 frames missing from that Towner splice you describe. Myers frame rate for the Towner film was 22.8 fps, so 7/22.8 = 3/10 of a second. Do you believe Truly's description of the limo actions approaching the abutment, occurred in the elapsed time of .3 seconds? Chris

Paul, I'll just refer back to my original question. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bm1jEI__dsn8Rdgb6aUoGBRjgoVGCCvc/view?usp=sharing

Paul, Truly is much too precise in his description of the limo location while turning. If he would have generalized and only said it made a wide turn (subjective) then I could cut him some slack. If you believe the Towner film is unaltered, the limo never touches the far right lane. The back end of the Impala ? is parallel with Elm St within the center lane.