Chris Davidson

If I wanted to pull 2/3 of the frames from the first gif, it would look like this:

The extant zfilm shows this as frame span 184-195 =12 frames.

Hi Jeff, I'll make it less cryptic. This first gif is 33 frames. The limo moves forward in every frame. Use a movie program and step it frame x frame.

Can you figure out which is the extant zframe?

Frame movement leading up to data that states the limo traveled at 2.24 or 3.74mph (depending on what version of CE884 you choose to use) from extant zframes 161-166 or z168-z171. Nice head turn also. Extant film including tape across z154, missing z155-156 and a 157 splice.

Just as Towner's fps is very suspect, so is Martin's. Myers has the total Martin clip running for 3.09 seconds. Put Martin's fps to 18 fps normal for an 8mm camera. Now compare with the amount of frames Myers has missing between the end of Towner and beginning of Z. 22.8fps-18fps= 4.8fps difference 4.8fps x 3.09 sec (Length of Martin clip) = 14.8 total frames. Myers time frame between Towner end and Z beginning = .82 sec = 15 z frames.

Robin, The woman in Martin (LOS dictates) is the only person that can take the Willis photo, if you plot Connally and JFK within the limo using the Willis photo. The photo coincides with JFK plotted at Z133 (Station # 2+99.0). Just use Cutlers plat as it is most accurate when compared with the West plats. I'm not doubting the position of Willis in relationship to the limo or that Willis took the photo. The frames are incorrect in terms of count. Remember, Connally's hand is over the top of his head in Willis' photo. Remember, in Towner, approx 2.5sec before Z starts and Connally's raised hand goes out of view. What your not seeing is the continuation from Towner to Z. Which means Willis can take his photo, it just occurs at what would be approx extant Z139. (See my previous post about 9-10frames) Myers pretty much tells you the total difference with the last few lines from his multi-film sync study: .82sec x 18.3fps = 15 frames

Willis is 12ft down the street from the woman I showed in Martin. Too far down the street to take the photo credited to him, unless the limo is 7.2ft 7.6ft farther west down Elm St. And, at least according to Myers film sync (limo traveling 9.8mph=14.4ft per sec at this point), 7.2ft 7.6ft farther down would equal approx 1/2 of 18.3 frames(if you are to believe the Z frame rate is 18.3) = 9 to 10 frames. All the players are in Dorman. Look close enough and you can see either Willis or one of his group within the red box. Don't worry about shadow man, that's for another day. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwrExtVD005OWmo1ZWgtTEZhU00/view?usp=sharing

If you take a look at Z136, you can align the limo front corner with the Light post in the background, for a LOS applicable to the previous postings. Or plot it from the pedestal as well.

Since Willis is farther down the street (at least according to the zfilm) than the woman in Martin, then Willis' #4 photo would pick up Connally without his hand to his head, as seen in Zapruder. See previous posted link.

Now refer back to this post:

Martin's LOS dictates that whoever took the Willis #4 photo should appear in the Martin film where the "back and forth loop" woman appears.

Look at the photo labeled Phil Willis #4 again.

The Martin film shows a woman(standing on Elm St.) raising her right arm as the limo approaches, while Rosemary Willis comes running by her. Disregard the red box at right. The gif provided is a "back and forth loop" of her rising arm.

Bill, Since you were nice enough to contact Gary Mack and ask him about the Towner film years ago, I thought I would bring up one of his responses about frame speeds for her camera. "But the Dealey Plaza footage was at the end of the reel and, as is well-known from camera tests of Zapruder, Nix and Muchmore, camera speeds varied by 5% or more from beginning to end and each film scene speed depends on several variables. Our transfer of the entire Towner reel was made at 20 fps, which is more than 10% faster than normal (which was almost certainly 18fps). The transfer probably shows the limo moving too fast. That, of course, is not a significant visual problem but it would wreak havoc with anyone using the video transfer to establish the camera's true speed. Since joining the Museum in 1994, I have personally overseen the film to tape transfers of the 8mm camera original Bronson, Hughes, Bell, Towner and Dorman films, the first generation Nix and Zapruder films, and many others showing motorcade scenes prior to Dealey Plaza. Those amateur cameras ran at either 16fps or 18fps, +/- several percentage points. With the exception of the Towner film, all were transferred at either 16 or 18fps, whichever produced the most natural movement. The film technician who has done all of the transfers has been providing his service for a couple decades; he has literally viewed hundreds and hundreds of films and has a superb eye and "feel" for the appropriate speed. The difference between 16fps and 18fps may seem small, but it is glaringly noticeable when viewed on professional monitors The Towner film's true speed is likely closer to 18fps or slightly faster for most of the reel than to any other speed; it certainly was not operating at 16fps on November 22, 1963. Gary Mack" In order to make it sync with Zapruder's film, Dale Myers multi-sync film project had to set the Towner frame rate at 22.8fps. That is a 27% increase in frame rate from Towner's designated frame rate of 18fps. You would almost think Towner had a 16mm/24fps camera according to the above mentioned as a 24 to 22.8 fps reduction would be a 5% reduction in frame speed.

Within Towner, leading up to Z133, the last frame we see Connally with his hand up to his head is Towner frame 129 of 167(2.48 sec before Z133) according to Myer's count. Willis' photo has Connally's hand up to his head after Z133 by method of triangulation, via Willis' position on Elm, using the ZFilm as a LOS for Willis. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwrExtVD005OZmdFQmJYVHY5TXM/view?usp=sharing P.S. You can always look at the Martin and Bell films to give you an idea if Connally has his hand to his head in the spans mentioned.

When Z133 is not the true Z133. See if you can locate Gov. Connally with his left hand over/up-to his head from z133 on. Triangulation using Phil Willis' position. Station# 2+99.0 = Z133 (JFK'S position in the limo)

Hughes stabilized around Main/Houston St. corner. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwrExtVD005OS3lWWUZad1VYakk/view?usp=sharing

This is the path I gave to Willis. Willis at 8.2mph = 8.2 x 1.47ft per sec = 12.05ft per sec. x 16.6 sec = 200ft

200ft for the building corner to corner is correct. Using JFK within the limo as the measuring point. Limo traveled approx 214.2ft from Willis' photo to z133 135ft down Houston St. 30.2ft from County Records corner to directly in front of snipers nest(Station# 2+50). 49ft from snipers nest to Z133(Station# 2+99). 214.2/16.6 sec = 8.8mph

Actually 16.6 seconds @200ft = 8.2mph

And, This could be Croft from the Dorman film.

John, This is the John Martin film. The very first frame has a man rounding the concrete structure (left side of film). That could be Phil Willis. (Does he have enough time to get from there to where he is seen in Z ?) You can cross check that with the Bell film I supplied earlier, as it appears that same man and the two succeeding people (daughter/father possibly) are in both films. imo I'm not sure who the person in the red box is. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwrExtVD005ORmdrYUJaMzhzOUk/view

A more appropriate question might be: If that is not Linda Willis in Z, with a blue jacket and brown skirt on, with hands raised to face, where did she come from in approx 2 seconds pryor to z133, according to the Dale Myers multi sync project?

Bell Stabilized.