Wim Dankbaar

It went indeed without saying, but to be fair you should have said so. How many seconds exactly cannot be determined, but obviously enough for JFK's limousine to "suddenly" appear , and thus also for people to change positions. People walk, you know. Some even ran. Most of them would stay still, as can also be concluded here. But not all of them. It's not a given that everyone would be frozen in the same spot. Look at running Rosemary Willis for example. You may also note that Willis himself appears to come out of nowhere. That is , if you don't know that some time has passed between te frames you posted. I have answered them. I leave it to others who is posting the nonsense. By the way, do you still maintain that Mrs. Franzen disappeared in Zapruder to be replaced with another woman in the Nix film? Wim

And what would be the purpose of fakery in moving people around in Zapruder? Sorry Jim, but that conclusion is nonsense. Jack should point out that his two different frames are at each opposite sides of the splice in the film. Hence there is some time unaccounted for. In that time both Croft and the white sweater man have moved to other positions. The last frame before the splice, (White sweaterman is still there) : The first frame after the splice (White sweaterman is gone, thus walked out of view) : Note the limousine having "suddenly" appeared in the frame, you might also ask: Where does the limousine come from?

No, I don't think Frank Castro wants your address , but I sure would like to have his! Where did you get the information below from? (1) Donald Freed, Death in Washington: The Murder of Orlando Letelier (1980) A formal agreement between DINA and CORU was made in November 1975. Michael Townley was selected as liaison between the groups. In July 1976 Cuban terrorists and Michael Townley met in Bonao in the Dominican Republic at the executive lodge of the Falcondo Mining Company to plan joint ventures: both the Cubana bombing and the Letelier killing. Sacha Volman, the veteran CIA agent, and Cuban exile Frank Castro, another CIA man working with Gulf and Western, hosted the meeting. Volman had been a key CIA-labor operative in the Dominican Republic under David Phillips. In 1977, Ambassador George Landau entered the case as a principal and revealed the circumstances of the Paraguayan passports. The false names and photographs of the two men had been lost by the CIA. Now, after Landau remembered them, they reappeared. "Juan Williams Rose" would later be identified by Chileans as Michael Vernon Townley, and the Department of Justice had no choice but to call the Cuban exiles identified in Penthouse before a grand jury. But it was too late to call Aldo Vera. Researchers working on this book have learned that, by October 1976, only days after Letelier was murdered, the FBI was pressing Aldo Vera for information and that Vera was co-operating. Vera had been expelled from Accion Cubana in June 1976-according to FBI documents newly discovered-because of his informant activity. On October 25, 1976, he was murdered in San Juan. He and Townley had started out together in the SAO and P y L. Then Vera had helped to set up Cruz in France. Now he was dead, and Townley and his wife feared for their lives.

John, Who wrote this? : http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcastroFr.htm Wim

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April 10, 1967 NODA's William Martin interviews Nagell in jail for the first time.(294) April 11, 1967 Second Martin interview.(295) June 7, 1967 Nagell gives Martin a letter of introduction to his friend in Los Angeles, Frederick H. John, instructing John to turn over his purported audio recording to Martin.(296) During a subsequent visit of Martin's, Nagell became "very upset and decided that Martin was a government 'plant' to elicit information from him."(297) June 12, 1967 Nagell writes to sister Eleanore Gambert. Alleges that William Martin informed him of Martin's alleged status as a former CIA employee. Nagell later alleges that Martin was "an officer of the CIA assigned in an operational capacity to the Latin American directorate and . . . a past associate of Tracy Barnes [and] Desmond FitzGerald." Nagell's source for this information is not stated.(298) June 20, 1967 Martin writes Nagell, informing him that he had met and interviewed Frederick John, and that the alleged audio recording apparently had been "the subject of a burglary sometime in 1964."(299) July 8, 1967 Nagell writes his sister: "I can state with good foundation that if [the tape] was stolen, it was not stolen in 1964. In the same vein, I can also say that while the item involved may indeed no longer be available, it is not in the custody of the opposition either."(300) July 30, 1967 Refuses to meet with Martin anymore.(301)

In Dick Russell's book "The man that knew too much" there is mention of a tape that Richard Nagell claimed he had in his possession. He offerred (by letter from prison) to hand it over to Jim Garrison as "absolute proof of conspiracy", providedthat certain conditions were met. The tape reportedly was a recording of conversation bewteen four people, that Nagell secretly made. The four people where Nagell, Oswald, "Angel" and another man that Nagel would not identify. The names Sergio Archacha Smith and "Raul" can be heard on the tape. This is all what Nagell said about the tape, which he never turned over. He had given it for safekeeping to afriend in Los Angeles. The name Raul Salcedo was allegedly one of the aliases used by David Atllee Phillips , according to his nephew Shawn Phillips. Wim PS: As for Angel & Leopoldo, I would not rule out David Morales and Cesar Diosdado.

What time of the day goes with the angle of these shadows? Wim

There may be all kinds of misquotes in play here, but the article clearly states (as your transcription shows) the arrest was in connection to the shooting of a Dallas policeman. There was only one Dallas policeman shot that day, and that was J. D. Tippit. Wim

Duke, I knew the story of Donald Wayne House: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8-z68VgE0s Only problem is that he did not have "curly black hair". Neither does the other man of your article (with the pencil behind his ear) have such hair. And he has'nt a red shirt either. Wim

You know, if this was a crank story, why was it never followed up? If only to deny it? Why don't we know about it? White man, Midtwenties and black curly hair, a match for the friend of James Files. (Files say he was called "the Raven" because of his hair). How did the Ft Worth Police know to arrest this guy in connection to the Tippit killing? 30 miles away from the place where it happened! What happened to that guy? Was he questioned? Was he released? http://jfkmurdersolved.com/tippit.htm David Phillips was from Fort Worth.

Has anyone ever heard of this story that ran all over the newswires on November 22, 1963? http://jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/deadsecretserviceagent.pdf http://jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/deadsecretserviceagent1.pdf http://jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/deadsecretserviceagent2.pdf http://jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/deadsecretserviceagent3.pdf

Thanks James! can you put the other Frenchy picture next to it too, like you did with the other two? Wim

James, could you do one more with this one?

The motorcade was late because Kennedy left it on the airport to shake hands with the people. Could the Oxnard caller not have meant that the motorcade would pass Dealey Plaza at 12:10? Wim

The CIA meets the mob Operation Mongoose was an ill conceived operation, an operation between organized crime and the CIA to actually simply kill Castro, and they had some various memo's, as a matter of fact I have a few memo's how I ended up, how they were talking about what they were going to do and so forth... VO: Here are some of the memo's Chauncey refers to (picture of memo's). These men participated in a meeting held at a small airport between Palm Springs and Indio California, the name: Bermuda Dunes. That meeting......Peter Licavoli and I flew in from Arizona. Sam Giancana and Johnny Roselli came in from Chicago (pictures of Giancana and Roselli). William King Harvey came in from Langley. William King Harvey was a legend in the CIA. He was the only member, he was the only CIA-member there, but of course he was the one that was laying out the plans. VO: Who was William King Harvey? (picture of William King Harvey) Chauncey was well aware of his involvement in other CIA operations. William King Harvey was the head of Taskforce W. That has been renamed, originally, that was a part of ZR/Rifle, an Operation called ZR/Rifle, ZR/Rifle was nothing more than an assasination group, that went around the world assasinating people, and Harvey happened to be the head of ZR-Rifle. VO: On December 14th 1961 top echelon leaders of the CIA and the mafia met at Bermuda Dunes airport in Palm Springs to discuss groundrules for operation Mongoose (picture memo's). Chaunceys memo's of that meeting show an executive action was planned, executive action means assasination. The target: The Beard, Castro. The ground rules: CIA only, maximum security, non attributability, plausible denial, need to know basis. Harvey set the tone of the meeting at the Bermuda Dunes airport. They were going to eliminate the Beard and how was going to be done and just starting as to what personel they were going to hire. First of all they were trying to decide what cryptonym they were going to use, because they had decided that they would assign a cryptonym to end up in the official CIA-files. AM, normally, operations involving Cuba had an AM-start to their cryptonym. So well, we don't wanna use AM, all we anted to do is to start looking down the vest, and MO was some cryptonym for some secure place way out in the Pacific somewhere. So everyone says: Hey, why don't we use the MO and so I said “Well, what (word) is going to go with, what goes with MO, so that it flows, you know? And somebody said: Hey, how about Mongoose? You know, the Mongoose never looses, you know, so that's a good one, you know? So everybody said, everybody agreed: Hey, we call it Operation Mongoose. VO: (picture of William King Harvey) It is also decided any further discussions about operation Mongoose would be face to face, nothing in writing. The CIA's William King Harvey was clearly in charge. It was a very short meeting because of the fact that, 20 minutes to an hour, it didn't take very long, I mean, he layed it out in precise terms, but these these guys wanted to get out, you know, and take off and uh.....guys like Giancana and Roselli, they were reluctant to get together, and Licavoli too, these high-ranking mobsters don't like to meet with each other and they rarely do that, so we kept it short and sweet and that was it. VO: (picture of CIA-memo) an August 14th 1962 inter office CIA-memo from William King Harvey to the Director of Clandestine Operations says in part: Our contract agents in Miami and in Los Angeles have been assured by me that no reference to this operation appears in our central files.

1962, in New Orleans

Well thanks, David! I guess a simple comment like that takes courage here!

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/tippit.htm

The strongest evidence for conspiracy ever posted ......... and no response whatsoever! Oh well! Where are the demolishers of Chauncey Holt? Are they hiding too? Wim

----- Original Message ----- From: Wim Dankbaar To: Dave Perry Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 6:37 PM Subject: Re: Re: Dave, Maybe you also want to give it try to post Chauncey's story and demolish it on your website? You can use this link: http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=8250980122157253214 Best regards,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauncey_Marvin_Holt Chauncey Marvin Holt From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Chauncey Marvin Holt was a pilot, an accountant, an artist and a mafia associate who claimed to have also been a contract operative for the Central Intelligence Agency. He was born in Kentucky on 23rd October, 1921 and died on June 26, 1997. He worked for mafia bosses Meyer Lansky and Peter Licavoli. In 1953 he was put to work by Lansky as an accountant for the International Rescue Committee, which according to Holt was a proprietary interest of the CIA. In 1955 he was involved as a covert operative in the CIA staged coup that overthrew the government of Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala. Chauncey Holt continued his association with the CIA during the 1960s and 1970s. He played a role in covert operations in, Brazil, Laos and Chile. At the same time Holt maintained his close friendship and business interests with Mafia boss Peter Licavoli until the mobster's death in 1984. Holt also continued to be deeply involved with attorney Frank Belcher Sr. with whom he maintained a joint banking account at the Bank of America office in Burbank, CA. Many of Holt's CIA contract agent "projects" were funded and funneled through this special account. In 1975, The CIA began to purge rogue contract agent, aka "cowboys" from its employ. Some were forced into retirement, while others like Chauncey Holt, ended up in prison. On January 2, 1976, Holt had written a letter to his old CIA ally, William King Harvey, apprising him of his recent indictment by a federal grand jury. Harvey responded by saying he could only offer "token assistance". Harvey did offer to send Chauncey some CIA documents that were about to be declassified. These records proved Holt worked for the Clandestine Operations Division of the Central Intelligence Agency. In 1977, Holt was convicted of mail fraud and sent to Terminal Island, a federal prison. Prior to sentencing, he was offered a place in the Witness Protection Program and early release from prison by the Organized Crime Task Force for his testimony against Meyer Lansky and Licavoli. He refused to cooperate with them. Representatives of the CIA promised Holt preferential treatment in prison and a "payoff" if he agreed to keep silent about his activities on behalf of the Agency. He kept his word, until the principals died. Holt died from cancer on June 28, 1997, eight days after completing a film about his life story. [1] Contents [hide] 1 Claims of involvement in JFK assassination 2 1991 interview with Chauncey Holt 3 Controversy over Holt's claims 4 Forensic expert Lois Gibson 5 Film Spooks, Hoods and The Hidden Elite 6 Notes 7 References [edit] Claims of involvement in JFK assassination Chauncey Holt is best known for his confession of involvement in the JFK assassination. He testified that he drove to Dallas with mob hitmen Charles Nicoletti and Leo Moceri to Dallas from the Grace Ranch in Arizona. The Grace Ranch was owned by Peter Licavoli, allegedly serving as a base for CIA operations, drugs and gun smuggling. Holt was also carrying forged secret service badges and lapel pins to Dallas, on orders of his CIA contact Philip Twombly. Holt delivered the lapel pins and badges to anti Castro cuban exile Homer Echevarria. He also delivered handguns and ID's to Charles Harrelson on the parking lot of Dealey Plaza behind the grassy knoll. Harrelson was a convicted hitman, who died in 2007 while serving a prison sentence for the murder of judge Woods in 1979. He was also the father of actor Woody Harrelson. After the assassination Holt, Harrelson and Rogers were apprehended from a boxcar in the railroad yard and detained by the Dallas Police. They were released the same afternoon. While they were escorted over Dealey Plaza, seven pictures were taken by press photographers. These pictures became known in history as "the three tramps". Holt relates that during the Warren Commission, he and other CIA operatives involved in the Kennedy assassination, stayed in a luxurous CIA safehouse in Acapulco, owned by attorneys Frank Belcher and Joseph Ball. Joseph Ball served as senior counsel on the Warren Commission . [edit] 1991 interview with Chauncey Holt Chauncey Holt first came forward with his story in 1991 and was by JFK researchers John Craig, Phillip Rogers and Gary Shaw for Newsweek magazine (19th October, 1991). Newsweek published its article on december 23, 1991. [2] Also, a number of local news channels in San Diego and Dallas did reports on Holt's story. [3] The 3 hour interview itself was never published at the time, however, a transcript of the interview was later published on the website of Dutch JFK assassination researcher Wim Dankbaar. [4] Chauncey Holt himself submitted to the San Diego Union Tribune a critical reaction on their review of the book "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner, who advocates that Lee Harvey Oswald killed President Kennedy. Holt predicted that his comments would not be published by the newspaper, as in his view it was always firmly defending the Warren Commission's conclusion. He wrote: “I would not be responding to you personally if I felt that there was the slightest possibility that the [san Diego] Union Tribune would print any excerpts of my response. The paper has always demonstrated a definite bias in favor of those who opposed the conspiracy theory. Recently, it printed a lengthy column by our old friend, David Belin. Not one letter from readers, who disagreed with Belin, was printed in the “Readers Write” section. I wrote what I felt was a persuasive letter in opposition but it was never printed.” (full letter here http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v3n2/v3n2holt.pdf]) Indeed, the letter was never published by the San Diego Tribune, but assassination researcher James Fetzer recently made it available on his website. [5] [edit] Controversy over Holt's claims Holt's story was undermined in 1992 when the Dallas Police Department revealed that the three tramps were Gus Abrams, John F. Gedney and Harold Doyle. Ray and Mary LaFontaine carried out their own research into this claim. They traced Doyle and Gedney who confirmed they were two of the tramps. Gus Abrams was dead but his sister identified him as the third tramp in the photograph. Assassination researcher and Warren Commission apologist John McAdams reported the findings of this research on his website. [6] Other researchers like James Fetzer, Lois Gibson and Wim Dankbaar point to the inconsistencies in this research and even suggest it was a deliberate attempt to discredit the story of Holt. Wim Dankbaar stated: I could believe that Doyle, Gedney and Abrams were picked up from a train and taken into custody. So in that regard they may well have been telling the truth. I just don't believe they are the men in the tramp photographs. As Chauncey said, several individuals were picked up that day from the railroad yard. The shadows in the photographs indicate a time later around 2:30 PM or later. The shadows have moved two hours compared with the time of the shooting. This is consistent with Holt, who said they were hiding in the boxcar for 2 hours before they were found. It is not consistent with what Doyle and Gedney were telling. In the photographs you can also see that the crowds of people are gone, which also indicating All the documents and statements (also from the arresting officers) say that the arrests occured very shortly after the assassination, within an hour, well before 1:30 PM. Read the interviews with the arresting officers. [7] The sun and shadows don't lie. It's just the law of the earth's rotation. Also, Doyle and the others said that they were picked up from an open flatbed coal car, known as a gondola, not a boxcar. This is in their FBI statements. [8] The man that is supposedly Harold Doyle looks to be much older than 32. This is also more consistent with what Holt is telling. Charles Rogers, aka Richard Montoya was 43 at the time. Two good aquaintances of Rogers identified him immediately from those photographs. One was an ex girlfriend that he dated, the other was the owner of the Houston ice-skating rink where Rogers frequently used the pay-phone. [edit] Forensic expert Lois Gibson Lois Gibson works for the Houston Police Department and is one the most respected forensic facial experts in the world. She was recently awarded with a notation in the Guinness Book of World Records for the highest crime solving rate based on composite sketches. Lois Gibson has made a comparison study of the "three tramps", photographed in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963. She concluded that the three men were Chauncey Holt, Charles Harrelson and Charles Rogers. The video presentation of her analysis can be found on the Internet. [edit] Film Spooks, Hoods and The Hidden Elite Wim Dankbaar of Holland - a longtime JFK assassination researcher - announced in september 2008 that he made available a video documentaryon Holt's life to view online free of charge. Dankbaar acquired the documentary in 2007 although it was made in 1997. The production contains the life story of Chauncey Holt and was titled by Holt: Spooks, Hoods and The Hidden Elite. It was for years locked in litigation over the ownership rights (between the producers and the heirs of Holt who died shortly thereafter) which was eventually concluded in favour of the producers, from whom Dankbaar purchased it. Since the movie is eleven years overdue, Dankbaar commented: "It is time to share the story with the American public, as was the wish of Chauncey Holt himself, who died 8 days after its completion. This is not another conspiracy theory, it's just the confession of a man who claims involvement and knowledge about the JFK assassination. I leave the judgement of his credibility up to the viewer of his testimony." The synopsis of the film reads as follows: Spooks, Hoods and the Hidden Elite is the video memoir of CIA contract agent and underworld figure Chauncey Marvin Holt as he operated in the twilight world of bootlegging, bookmaking, gun running, money laundering, espionage and assassinations, using secret identities, serving many masters. Holt's amazing story chronicles his participation in Top Secret "black operations" conducted during the Cold War, and reveals his clandestine role in the events surrounding the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Early in his criminal career, Holt connected with Meyer Lansky, chairman of the board of organized crime, and Peter Licavoli, a ruling "Don" of Detroit's Mafia family. His versatility earned him Lansky's praise as a renaissance man of crime. In 1953, Holt was loaned by the Mob to a "proprietary interest" of the newly-founded Central Intelligence Agency. At the same time, he continued his close association with top echelon "hoods" of organized crime. Holt's skills as a pilot, munitions expert and accounting whiz made him invaluable to both the Mob and the CIA. For nearly 25 years, the CIA utilized his talents in some of their most important "black ops" in Guatemala, the Dominican Republic, Cuba, Brazil, Laos and Chile. During his tenure running front companies for The Agency, Holt worked closely with many legendary CIA "spooks" and fellow "cowboys" (independent contract agents who carried out field operations away from CIA headquarters). As a money manager and fine art connoisseur, Holt was affiliated with some of the most influential members of the "hidden elite." In Spooks, Hoods and the Hidden Elite, he unmasks their identities - including a senior counsel to the Warren Commission - and exposes the long-standing incestuous relationship between Intelligence, Organized Crime and a shadowy group of elites. In this video interview - made one week before his death - Holt provides a chilling account of why the Secret Government's preparations for the coup d'état of November 22, 1963 were well underway by April of 1963. He explains why he and a team of CIA operatives were in Dealey Plaza, and the truth behind the mysterious "three tramps" picked up behind the Grassy Knoll after the assassination. Holt also describes his firsthand knowledge of the special relationship between Oswald and the intelligence community in the months preceding the assassination of JFK. Spooks, Hoods and the Hidden Elite presents persuasive evidence of the existence of a powerful, interlocked cabal that orchestrated the removal of a president with frightening resolve. Most importantly, this video reveals the footprints of a renegade covert network, a Secret Government, that has exerted untold influence over U.S. policy from World War II until today... [edit] Notes ^ Source: Epilogue of "Spooks, Hoods & The Hidden Elite" ^ Video fragment of 1991 interview with Chauncey Holt ^ News report on Holt's story ^ Partial transcript of 1991 interview ^ Chauncey Holt's letter to the San Diego Tribune ^ Article on the three tramps by John Mcadams ^ FBI Document on arresting officer ^ FBI interview with Harold Doyle [edit] References Video fragment of 1991 interview Partial transcript of 1991 interview "Spooks, Hoods & The Hidden Elite" on Google video Texas Fox News Channel 4 report on Chauncey Holt Texas Fox News Channel 4 report on the "three tramps" Presentation of Lois Gibson on Google video Transcript and slides of Lois Gibson presentation Chauncey Holt's letter to the San Diego Tribune Biography of Chauncey Holt Newsweek article on Chauncey Holt Article by John Mcadams, disputing Holt's confession A web page with documents about the Three Tramps Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauncey_Marvin_Holt"

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=wD9wrSM8bwo This video will demonstrate that the real Oswald was much different than he was portrayed by either the government or its critics. Not only was he NOT a communist but he was a fanatical anticommunist whose role model was the number one spokesman for the FBI's campaign against the reds.

September 2008, http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=8250980122157253214 Here you have a video link to a brand new, full fledged documentary of 2 hours that presents the most powerful (yet unknown) evidence you have ever seen for the plot to kill John F. Kennedy. JFK was one of the most loved presidents in history, representing hope for freedom and democracy. The man telling the story, Chauncey Marvin Holt, is dead now and was a self admitted career criminal. But in some ways, at least in my view, he was also a good man. For having a conscience and for sharing his story. He knew he was going to die shortly. In fact he died 8 days after this recording. This was the last thing he wanted to do. For YOU and your children. Just one of the startling revelations in this film, is that the cuban exile militants, Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada Carriles, who are now being protected by the Bush administration (just google their names), were on Dealey Plaza when Kennedy was killed. You will further learn how Government Agencies and Organized Crime worked together. I have decided to make it available free of charge on Google video. If you value the information, you may spread it far and wide. Sincerely yours, Wim Dankbaar