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James Jackson was surprised that they "found" an attic!
Talked to him again to see what he kept up there.
He said he didn't , as he never knew the roof had any space above it.
Does not recall any way into it if there was an "attic". No cubby hole in the closet, etc.
He said it was just an old rickety building and roof was the ceiling. Maybe some wooden boards across at the peak but no way into it.
Ed
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Neely St. "find" isn't looking good...If a placard found at Neely St. was in the possession of, or known to the DPD or the FBI, it should have been introduced during the questioning of Hosty...unless it was suppressed....
Exactly what Bill was saying, they should have rubbed it in the commissions face.
Yes I feel they danced around this so they could go either way.
Harkness not asked.
Curry not asked.
Not pictured.
Not listed in evidence.
Not in a report.
Not looking good.
Ed
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Ed,
I added the http:// bit to make it a live link. Hope you don't mind.
--Tommy
Dang. I still can't get it to open for me. I'm a-feared I jus' ain't too good with these new-fangled things they calls "computers"...
Thanks for the old college try! I got her fixed. Thanks anyways Tommy.
Still wonder about the shirt buttoning itself up and down?? hmmm
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Could it be this placard that was "found" in the Neely St apt?
From what I've found the Dallas one supposedly said "VIVA CASTRO" yet Lee's letter claimed it said VIVA FIDEL.
The N.O. one said "VIVA FIDEL" or at least that is in the claims.
From Quigley interview:
About one p .m . on August 9, 1963, OSWALD said
that he wont down on Canal Street by himself and started
distributing committee literature . He said he had made
up a placard which he hung around his neck with a piece
of string . The placard was made up of brown cardboard .
On the placard were several pieces of literature which
expressed the aims and purposes of the committee . At
the bottom of the cardboard placard he said he had printed
'in black capital letters the words "Viva FIDEL." From
this time until around four p .m . he said he distributed
a throwaway which was prepared on yellow paper, 6" x 9"
In size, which contained the following : "Hands Off Cuba!
Join The Fair Play For Cuba Committee, Now Orleans, Charter
Member Branch, Free Literature, Lectures, Location : A . J .
HIDELL, P. 0 . Box 30016, Now Orleans, Louisiana, Everybody
Welcome!"
AND
Around 4 p .m . while standing in the immediate
vicinity of Walgreen's Drug Store at Canal and Baronne
Streets, OSWALD said three Cubans approached him, and he
gave each one of the above-described throwaways . These
individuals became very angry, tore up the throwaways,
threw them down on the sidewalk and began arguing with him.
This created quite a disturbance and shortly thereafter the
police arrived, and he, as well as the other individuals
whom he understood to be Cuban exiles, was arrested .
The handouts were torn up not a placard.
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pdf/WH17_CE_826.pdf
This has the placard being placed into evidence in NO against LHO:
But no such Placard is listed in the evidence.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/136/dsc00106o.jpg/sr=1
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7095/oswaldpatsy.gif
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/6707/leeoswaldpart34.jpg
I've searched through most of DPD archives and no luck with a reference to Attic or a Placard.
CD 5, p. 135, says FBI searched 214 W. Neely on 11/24/63 - was it found then? If so nothing lists it.
A DPD inventory list showed zerex and photos were made of box top and pay stub. They even copied and had pics of his Po Box key...but nothing exists for the stub and box top.
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49672/
Did Lee receive the flyers and pamphlets from NY sent on the 18th of April as Lee moved the 24th to NO. Did he take these handouts to NO.
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49783/m1/1/med_res/
No sign seen:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=35V8OePDTjI
Mrs. Joyce O'Brien, 1615 Fairway, Beaumont, Texas, was interviewed on
November 30, 1963. She stated she was a cousin of Lee Harvey Oswald
inasmuch as her mother, Mrs. Charles Murret, 757 French Street, New
Orleans, Louisiana, is a sister of Oswald's mother. Mrs. O'Brien stated
that while visiting her mother in August, 1963, she received a telephone
call from Lee Harvey Oswald who was in jail in New Orleans. Oswald asked
her to post $25 for his bond. Mrs. O'Brien went to the New Orleans Police
Department and was informed Oswald was charged with "disturbing the peace"
for carrying posters. She said that, after she saw a poster bearing the
words "VIVA CASTRO" and other pamphlets, she decided against putting up
bond for him. She subsequently received a second call from Oswald, who
instructed her to contact his wife. However, Mrs. O'Brien telephoned Mr.
Emile Bruneau, a friend of her father, and Bruneau made the arrangements
through which Oswald was released.
http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/JA/DR/.dr19.html
I believe the Poster she saw was the flyer or handout and not a Placard.
Harkness and Finigan statements to Curry and Curry to Rankin.
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/pdf/WH22_CE_1409.pdf
Church Committee references a Dallas memo to HQ:
On April 21, 1963, the New York Field Office learned that Oswald
had written a letter to the Fair Play for Cuban Committee. This was
the first indication in Bureau files that Oswald had a relationship
with this pro-Castro organization.23a Oswald’s letter stated that he
had passed out FPCC literature in Dallas with a placard around
his neck reading “Hands Off Cuba-Viva Fidel.” This information was
not reported to Dallas until June 2’7, 1963,24 and not reported to Headquarters
until September 10, 1963. 25 Once again, Oswald’s activities
contradicted his interview statements.
23a Memorandum from Dallas Field Office to FBI Headquarters, 9/10/63.
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/church/reports/book5/pdf/ChurchB5_6_Appendices.pdf
Nothing I've seen points me to an attic find...nothing contemporaneous points to any reports by individuals to DPD about the Dallas incident. Yet the claims include a one VERY ANGRY soon to be Dallas magistrate and current United States Commissioner W Madden Hill.
No report of this was filed. No handouts collected. Nothing but after the fact statement of Finigan and Harkness. Belin does not ask Harkness about this. Curry is not asked either.
Curious?
Without the actual FBI archive insert I'm unsure about it being found in the Neely Street Attic. Hopefully someone will be able to re-find it and post it and solve another Neely Street mystery.
Ed
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Thanks Bill,
I don't believe anything is a waste of time when it comes to the Neely Street evidence.
I'm not positive I know what you mean by an insert in the FBI file.
Was it just a notation, or a filed report?
If it was an insert it should carry a serial number.
"Inserts also record investigative activity, although they are usually used for information that is believed to be "non-testimonial" or "negative," that is information that is not significant to the investigation. For example, an insert might be used to document that a criminal records check was negative."
I think the insert could have come from the LHO letter to New York FPCC.
As info for its file this would make sense.
Any more light you can shed would be helpful.
Thanks, Ed
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Article by smoke witness Cheryl McKinnon:
Ron I couldn't seem to get your link to work so...
Thanks,
Ed
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Thanks Chris,
Appears that may very well be the case.
I doubt it was captured on film now.
Ed
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Martin, maybe soon as in 2012.
http://www.marksobel.com/COMMISSION/first.htm
Quote:
"NOTE: The website IMDB.com has the film listed as having had a June 2007 release. This is incorrect.
It has been screened as a "work-in-progress" at the AFI Film Festival in Los Angeles and the IFP Market Awards in New York.
The film remains in post through 2011."
I sent an email...waiting reply
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The other thing is intriguing - the cops found in the Neely attic the FPCC placard that LHO was wearing in Dallas in April 63, right before
he left town for New Orleans. It was the first public act pro-FPCC, only one in Dallas I know of. Hosty reported it. Peter Dale Scott, FWIW,
does not believe it ever happened.
Bill
Thanks for this Bill.
I would really like a reference for this ATTIC find!
But as PDS says Lee never publicly demonstrated in Dallas so it is doubtful he would have needed or made a placard.
What PDS says is the FBI intercepted a letter from Lee to FPCC and that part was in the letter and that was how the FBI interpreted it.
See John Newman, "Oswald and the CIA", p. 275
See also April 1963 FBI Report:
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pdf/WH17_CE_829.pdf
(2) Federal Bureau of Investigation, report, (19th April, 1963)
Dallas confidential informant T-2 advised that Lee H. Oswald of Dallas, Texas, was in contact with the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. According to T-2, Oswald had a placard around his neck reading, "Hands off Cuba Viva Fidel".
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKfairplay.htm
See Life Magazine Feb 21, 1964 page 76.
Testimony of Hosty:
Mr. STERN. If you will look at page 2 of the report we have marked for identification No. 829
Mr. HOSTY. Yes, sir.
Mr. STERN. The last paragraph on that page relates--well, tell us what information that refers to.
Mr. HOSTY. It says, "On April 21, 1963, Dallas confidential informant T-2 advised that Lee H. Oswald of Dallas, Tex, was in contact with the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in New York City at which time he advised that he passed out pamphlets for the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. According to T-2, Oswald had a placard around his neck reading, 'Hands Off Cuba, Viva Fidel.'"
Mr. STERN. Did you attempt to verify that information?
Mr. HOSTY. When I got it, it was approximately 6 or 7 weeks old, past the date it allegedly took place, and we had received no information to the effect that anyone had been in the downtown streets of Dallas or anywhere in Dallas with a sign around their neck saying "Hands Off Cuba, Viva Fidel." It appeared highly unlikely to me that such an occurrence could have happened in Dallas without having been brought to our attention. So by the time I got it, it was, you might say, stale information and we did not attempt to verify it.
Mr. STERN. When you record this as something that an informant advised about on April 21, that doesn't mean he advised you or the Dallas office on April 21?
Mr. HOSTY. That is right.
Mr. STERN. Did this information come from another part of the FBI?
Mr. HOSTY. Yes, sir; it came from the New York office of the FBI. They were advised on the 21st of April
If you have a source for DPD in the Neely attic please share!!
Thanks, Ed
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I reach Minnie for follow up.
Her number is one of those Magic Jack computer phone devices and doesn't seem to ever accept calls. I have tried Skype and texting to the number also.
I tried calling Kristy to have Minnie call me and surprise Minnie was there! Minnie broke wrist and was in hospital for a bit of recent.
She said she got the pictures I sent her and will show them to her daughter and see what she thinks.
She recognized the building and yard and said it looked like a spring picture of LHO in BY.
She sorta remembered Linnie Mae Randall as landlord but not Mr George.
Minnie confirmed Marina spoke to her often in passing, she said Marina had an accent (unspecified) but could converse readily in english with maybe a bit of trouble on some words but was not hard for Marina to talk "English". Not long drwn out conversations but more brief friendly "Hi how are you" "hows your baby" type of speech.
She did not remember James upstairs or the apt. being vacant.
She said she did not recall any loud arguments but she was probably at work.
She said she has not been contacted before about the Oswald JFK stuff.
Said George Gray was always into heavy equipment, as an operator, and may have driven a garbage truck. Didn't work for a tree farm or such that she knew.
I was unable to verify employment or get records from City of Dallas for his employ as a Sanitation Worker. City said something that old was microfiche'd, I had them check, no luck. They said if they found anything on his employment they would contact me with employment verification dates....no call back.
Minnie never saw any of the things Lee had in the Back Yard pic, no guns no rifle, etc.
Said Jack Ruby was friendly when he came to her work at Bowling Alley.
I asked if she ever saw Lee or Marina drive- NO,
Did they have a car-NO ,
Did she see visitors with a car -No
Asked Minnie how she got to work and she said mom sometimes drove her and taxi's the other, Asked about cab drivers Whaley, Scoggins, she didn't know of them.
Did not know of the Tippit's. So I explained the Tippit timeline controversy.
I asked how tall was Lee and she thought around her height at the time 5' 7" maybe bit more. Asked height in relation to Marina and if she ever saw them both together and Minnie said YES there was one time when Marina was with LEE and Marina spoke to Minnie. But Lee didn't say anything...and as far as she knows she never heard LEE speak. Thus this may be why Minnie etc think him unfriendly.
Asked if she knew of or was a relative of any Bledsoe's - No, not a relative she said.
After all that I asked her if I could call again if I had other questions and Minnie said Yes of course.
Ed
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Martin, It does tend to add up to the impression that smoke, loud noise, and activity all took place behind the fence at that area at the time of shooting.
Thanks for the GIF and that bit of text Bernice, it was written by Bill I'm assuming.
Ed
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Richard,
Thanks for posting a pistol and the long gun vids! Long barreled weapon decidedly pushed the smoke out away from the shooter similar to what was described by witnesses as seen near the fence.
A test at that location, when conditions are similar, most certainly would show gun smoke does not hang at the top of the fence but would move along with the wind and currents but also get swirled into eddies along the fence/bushes.
This would give the sun ample areas to reflect off it and for witnesses to see it.
Depending on the load, type of weapon, caliber, and as Martin says the cleanliness of or a well oiled barrel, among other factors, would make even more visible gases.
Ed
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Your smoke-ing witnesses references:
Earle V. Brown
http://historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/html/WC_Vol6_0122a.htm
Royce Skelton
http://historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/html/WC_Vol6_0124a.htm
http://historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/html/WH_Vol19_0257b.htm
http://www.history-matters.com/analysis/Witness/Index.htm
SM Holland
http://historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/html/WC_Vol6_0127a.htm
http://historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/html/WH_Vol19_0249b.htm
Austin L. Miller
http://historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/html/WH_Vol19_0252a.htm
Thomas Murphy
http://www.history-matters.com/analysis/Witness/witnessMap/MurphyT.htm
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/html/WH_Vol22_0433a.htm
Walter Winborn
http://history-matters.com/analysis/Witness/witnessMap/Winborn.htm
Ed Johnson
http://www.history-matters.com/analysis/Witness/witnessMap/JohnsonEd.htm
James Simmons
http://history-matters.com/analysis/Witness/witnessMap/Simmons.htm
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/html/WH_Vol22_0432a.htm
Case Closed, Page 256)
Richard Dodd
http://history-matters.com/analysis/Witness/witnessMap/Dodd.htm
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/html/WH_Vol22_0433a.htm
Clemon Earl Johnson
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/pdf/WH22_CE_1423.pdf
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/html/WH_Vol22_0433b.htm
Nolan Potter
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/html/WH_Vol22_0432b.htm
Lee Bowers
http://www.history-matters.com/analysis/Witness/Index.htm
Senator Ralph Yarborourgh
http://www.history-matters.com/analysis/Witness/witnessMap/Yarborough.htm
LC Smith
http://www.history-matters.com/analysis/Witness/witnessMap/SmithLC.htm
A.D. McCurley
http://www.history-matters.com/analysis/witness/witnessMap/McCurley.htm
19H514
JL Oxford
http://www.history-matters.com/analysis/witness/witnessMap/Oxford.htm
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/oxford1.htm
Contract on America: the Mafia murder of President John F. Kennedy By David E. Scheim
page 23 note#52 page 407 19H516;CD5,cited in Thompson,p.119;19H514,530
Joe Smith
http://www.history-matters.com/analysis/Witness/witnessMap/SmithJM.htm
Contract on America: the Mafia murder of President John F. Kennedy By David E. Scheim
Page 22 note#26, page 406, HAH 5H 553-695 (House Assassination Hearings)
Seymour Weitzman
http://www.history-matters.com/analysis/Witness/witnessMap/Weitzman.htm
(24H228)
Contract on America: the Mafia murder of President John F. Kennedy By David E. Scheim
page 23 note#52 page 407 19H516;CD5,cited in Thompson,p.119;19H514,530
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/04/0433-001.gif
Earle Brown
http://www.history-matters.com/analysis/witness/witnessMap/Brown.htm
Mrs. Donald Sam Baker,nee Virgie Rackley
7 H 512+CD5, pp. 66-67 (Mrs. Donald Baker)
Gunpowder is smelled near the top of Elm Street.
Virgie Baker (Rackley) (on the north side of Elm Street, in front of the
Texas School Book Depository), November 24, 1963: “She recalled that
after the second shot she smelled gunsmoke but did not know where it
was coming from.” [FBI interview, CD5]
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=1210.20;wap2
Cheryl McKinnon, a journalism student who was standing on the grassy
knoll, recalls her shock as three shots rang out from behind her....she has
written:" [We] turned in horror toward the back of the grassy knoll where it
seemed the sounds had originated. Puffs of white smoke still hung in the air
in small patches. But no one was visible."
'My Last Look at Mr. President'- San Diego Star News, Nov. 20 1983
see also 6 H 165+"POTP", p. 441 (Tom Dillard), 6 H 233 (DPD Earle Brown), 7 H 487+Capitol Records' "The Controversy"/ interview with Larry Schiller and Richard Lewis (Mrs. Elizabeth "Dearie" Cabell and re: Congressman Ray Roberts), 7 H 512+CD5, pp. 66-67 (Mrs. Donald Baker), 20 H 351 (Kantor re: Ralph Yarborough) + "The Death of a President", p. 156, "Murder From Within", page 65/ interview with Newcomb&Adams, "The Truth About The Assassination" by Charles Roberts, page 17, "Crossfire", p. 16 (all 4 re: Yarborough) , DPD B.J. Martin (see below), DPD Joe M. Smith (CD205, p. 310+"Texas Observer", 12/13/63+"Murder From Within", pages 65 and 92+"Conspiracy", p. 29), and Beverly Oliver ("Nightmare In Dallas", p. 122); ALSO: re: smoke---- 22 H 833 (James L. Simmons), "Rush To Judgment" film 1966 (Simmons, Richard Dodd, Sam Holland, and Lee Bowers), 22 H 834 (Nolan Potter), 22 H 836+"No More Si-lence" by Larry Sneed, pp.79-83 (Clemon Earl Johnson), 19 H 480, 514, 530 (Holland), 6 H 243 (Holland testimony), 19 H 485 (Austin Miller), Thomas Murphy: 5/6/66 interview ("Best Evidence", pages 16 and 723, and "Cover-Up" by Stewart Galanor, page 59), Walter Winborn: 3/17/65 and 5/5/66 interviews ("Best Evi-dence", pages 16 and 723, "Cover-Up" by Stewart Galanor, pages 59-60), and 6 H 230 (Frank Reilly), as well as Jean Hill ("Crossfire", p. 38), Beverly Oliver ("Night-mare In Dallas", p. 122), W.W. Mabra ("Crossfire", pp. 19-20, and "No More Si-lence", p.519 ), and Ed Hoffman ("JFK Breaking The Silence", p. 18). Also, see page 204 of Groden's "TKOAP" for a still photo from the Dave Weigman film which seems to show a puff of smoke lingering out from the trees on the knoll. In addii-ton, the Nix film, the John Martin film, and the Patsy Paschall film are all alleged to have evidence of smoke/ flashes on them. ];
http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v4n2/v4n2part5.pdf
ASSASSINATION RESEARCH Vol.4 No. 2 © Copyright 2006 Vincent M. Palamara
Of note Weitzman said the footprints didn't make sense behind the fence because they were going different directions....Same as Holland. That equals corroboration by a LEO.
Ed
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Bill, all three parts are here:
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(When I see threads like this one and the interest they draw, I am tempted to pop some corn and sit back and watch the show. I think it is obvious I hope what I am working on will knock another leg out from under the credibility of the WC and the WCR. What I don't understand is the potential of what is going on in this thread. Is it just entertainment? Where could interest in this lead? Are the chances greater than 1 in 1 million that confirmation an object was handed off, what it was, and to whom (Cuban looking back of head, guy) it was handed,
Tom I think I broke my chair on this, luckily floor was there to break my fall
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Excellent replies Martin and Richard!!
I wanted to add:
Deputy Sheriff LC Smith, AD McCurley, JL Oxford and Seymour Weitzman all reported smoke mentioned by bystanders coming from the fence area.
Ed
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Thanks for those Duncan,
Josiah Thompson asked:
"I’ve read at some point or other that Dallas policemen who ran into the knoll area encountered railroad men who told them they saw smoke. We know that several men standing with S.M. Holland on the overpass saw smoke near the stockade fence. The fact that Dallas police officers submitted reports or said they encountered such individuals gives even more credence to their claims."
Bugliosi says in his deceptive tome Reclaiming History Page 894, per Monty Lutz, that if a modern rifle with smokeless ammunition was fired a small puff of grey smoke would be visible but only briefly and would dissipate very quickly, especially on a windy day such as it was.
Smokeless doesn't mean no smoke or zero smoke it means exactly what it states it smokes less.
Several of my friends are into muzzle loaders and they are quite accurate with them. These black powder weapons do belch smoke and that smoke does not as readily dissipate. But beyond that, Bug noted Sterling Mayfield Holland pointed to an area in front of the fence, some 11 feet, and under a tree or trees was where the smoke was. Bug discredits Holland because of where he said he saw the smoke and it wasn't near the top of the fence where it should be. Well Bug if its a windy day why would the smoke stay or hang near the top of the fence? The smoke would go where the air took it, Bug eats his own foot every time I read a page of his 'book'.
Because he wants you to focus on one person and then says Holland imagined it, its a psychological condition, etc.
I suppose he imagined his Sheriff's affidavit too.
I see, so this mental state of Holland must have spread at the speed of smoke to:
Cheryl McKinnon
Walter Winborn
Ed Johnson
Thomas Murphy
Austin Miller
James Leon Simmons
Richard C. Dodd
Clem Earl Johnson
Nolan H Potter
Ed Hoffman*
Wilfred or Wilfled Daetz*
Lee Bowers
Beverly Oliver
Royce Skelton
Senator Yarbrough comments on smelling gun smoke from the knoll, Patrolman Smith corroborates this smell, as does Mrs. Cabell and Congressman Ray Roberts.
So did DPD Earle V. Brown and Mrs. Donald Baker. Include Patrolman Joe Smith too to the others whom smelled lingering smell of gunpowder.
Weigman captured the smoke in one clear frame.
"The statements of these men were known to the Warren Commission. Eleven of them saw or smelled smoke in the moments after the shooting. That they not only saw smoke, but reported it to Sheriff's deputies charging into the railroad yards after the shooting, is confirmed, furthermore, by the reports on the shooting of Deputy Sheriffs A.D. McCurley (19H514) and J.L. Oxford (19H530). Although a few of those seeing smoke thought this smoke came from the motorcycles and/or the impact of a bullet on the street, such smoke was not noted by others closer to the action. As a result it seems possible that, in looking down on the action, they'd confused smoke in front of the limo with smoke behind it. In any event, the bulk of these witnesses thought they'd seen smoke, and thought it had come from the direction of the stockade fence or grassy knoll."
http://www.patspeer.com/chapter7%3Amorepiecesofthepuzzle
Now is it sheer coincidence that witnesses heard shots and observed smoke from the knoll, not if we add the SCENT of gunpowder.
Ed
Ref:
Contract on America: the Mafia murder of President John F. Kennedy- By David E. Scheim
Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy- By Jim Marrs
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics/griffith/Grassy_knoll_and_shots_from_front.html
*A contentious issue is if Hoffman was where he said he was. As is Wilfred or Wilfled Daetz' claim.
11-22-63 statements to the Dallas County Sheriff’s Department, 16H496
FBI reports
And Education Forum various threads.
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Thanks, Ed.
Your welcome Ray, I guess the only "proof" of ownership by LHO was the baby picture taken with the IR camera.
"Three edges of the shadowgraph of the film-plane aperture were also visible on one of the photographs of General Walker's house, not having been blocked out in the making of the print. On the basis of these three margins, Shaneyfelt determined that this photograph had also been taken with Oswald's Imperial Reflex camera. Shaneyfelt could not determine whether 133-A had been photographed with the Imperial camera, because the negative of 133-A had not been found, and the print itself did not show a shadowgraph area."
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/appendix-10.html
"...In the case of Commission Exhibit No. 2, which is a print of the alley in the back of the Walker residence, this shadowgraph appears around three of the edges of this photograph and. therefore, it has been used for such a comparison."
http://www.jfkballistics.com/shaneyfelt_lyndal_wch15p686_702.html
If you study the info in the my other post things are sketchy as statements contradict each other regarding the camera.
Ed
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http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/pdf/WH25_CE_2557.pdf
The following investigation was conducted in
connection with the Imperial Reflex camera identified as
Federal Bureau of Investigation Laboratory D-146 .
On February 16, 1964, ROBERT LEE OSWALD, 1009
Sierra Drive,' Denton, Texas, viewed photographs of a Stereo
Realist Camera and acuera-2 camera and advised that he did
not recognize either of the cameras as having been the
property of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, but also stated he was not
familiar enough with the cameras owned by LEE HARVEY OSWALD
to either state that the cameras in question did or did not
belong to LEE HARVEY OSWALD .
On February 17, 1964, a photograph of the -Smena-2'
camera (referred to above as the Cuera-2 camera), which is
inventory Its . 378, and bears Serial No . 627250, was
exhibited to MARINA OSWALD and she identified this camera as
identical with the Russian camera owned by LEE HARVEY OSWALD .
She was also shown the photograph of the Stereo-Realist
camera which is Inventory Item No . 378 and which bears Serial
No . A60979, but she could not identify this camera and stated
it was not the property of LEE HARVEY OSWILD, as far as she
knew .
On February 18, 1964, MARINA OSWALD described the
camera with which she took the photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD
holding a rifle in his hands . She stated she believed she took
this photograph with an American camera owned by OSWALD . She
stated it was an American-made camera Which had a grayish color,
somewhat like aluminum and stated it was a box-type camera .
She stated she was not completely sure, however, as to whether
the camera had an extending bellows . She stated she could
recall that she sighted the camera by looking down into a
viewer at the top of the camera . She stated she did not know
the whereabouts of this camera at the present time, but could
identify it 1f she saw it again.
On February 19, 1964, Detective JOHN A . MC CABE,
Irving Police Department, Irving, Texas, advised that he was
present at the residence of Mrs . RUTH PAINE On November 23,
1963, when the Dallas Police Officers executed a search warrant
of Mrs . PAINE's residence .
Detective MC CABE advised that he assisted the Dallas
Police Officers in this search and is certain that he saw a
light gray box camera in a box in Mrs . PAINE's garage . MC CABE
stated that this camera was in a box which contained books and
photographs belonging to LEE,HARVEY OSWILD . MC CABE stated he
searched this box and did not take the camera since he did not
consider it to be of evidentiary value .
On March 23, 1964, Detective MC CABE advised that
during the search of the garage at the PAINS residence, where
most of LEE HARVEY OSWALD's belongings were located, he was
going through a box containing some books, some pictures, and
a camera . He took the camera out of the box, put it on a dresser
and searched the box in detail, and then put the camera back in
the box . He described the camera as of a square, reflex type
which appeared in such poor condition that he believed it was
not capable of taking pictures .
Detective MC CABE was shown Federal Bureau Of Investigation
Laboratory Photograph D-146 of an Imperial Reflex camera
which had been obtained from ROBERT OSWALD on February 24, 1964,
and he stated the camera in this photograph appeared identical
with the one he described above .
Detective MC CABE stated that in his opinion the Dallas
Police Officers, who were also participating in the search, did
not see this camera and did not search this particular box . He
stated he had already searched the box and told them so . He did
not point out the camera to them.
On February 24, 1964, ROBERT LEE OSWALD made available
a Duo-Lens Imperial Reflex camera made in the United States of
America . It is aluminum colored and has a matching gray plastic
carrying strap . The film size is indicated as 2k X 2h and it
uses Roll Film No . .620 . ROBERT LEE OSWALD advised that in about
1957, LEE HARVEY OSWALD purchased a camera at about the time he
first went into the U . S . Marine Corps ., About 1959 When LEE
HARVEY OSWALD went to Russia, he left this camera with ROBERT at
Fort Worth, Texas . In about August 1962, after returning from
Russia, LEE HARVEY OSWALD regained possession of this camera
from ROBERT and, to ROBERT's knowledge, retained possession of
it until his death on November 24, 1963 .
In December 1963 ROBERT stated he obtained this camera,
along with other effects of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, from the home o£
Mrs . R. .a PAINE, Irving, Texas . The above-described Duo-Lens
Imperial Reflex camera was the camera described above by ROBERT
LEE OSWALD and the camera which he made available on February 24,
1964 . To the best of ROBERT's knowledge, the camera did not have
film in it at the time be obtained it from Mrs . PAINE's residence
and he has no undeveloped film or pictures made with this camera .
On February 25, 1964, the above-described Imperial
Reflex camera obtained from ROBERT LEE OSWALD on February 24,
1964, was exhibited to MARINA OSWALD, at which time she identi
fied it as the camera belonging to LEE HARVEY OSWALD with which
she had taken the picture of Oswald holding the rifle and newspaper
and wearing the pistol .
COMMISSION EXHIBIT No. 2557-Continued
On March 14, 1964, Detectives JOHN P . ADAMCIK,
RICHARD S . STOVALL, GUY P . ROSE, and HENRY M. MOORE of the Dallas Police
Department advised that they participated in a search of the
PAINE residence, 2515 West Fifth Street, Irving, Texas, on November
22 and 23, 1963 .
All four Of these individuals were exhibited a Federal
Bureau of Investigation Laboratory Photograph No . D-146 of the
Imperial Reflex camera obtained from ROBERT LEE OSWALD on
February 24, 1964 . None of these officers could recall ever
having seen this camera and did not recall seeing it during a
search of the garage at the PAINE residence . They all stated
that if it had been discovered during the search, they would
have brought it in .
On March 23, 1964, Detectives STOVALL, ROSE and MOORE
all advised that during the search o£ the PAINE residence they
recalled that there were several boxes in the garage at the
PAINE residence and that all boxes were searched by one of the
officers participating in the search . Each of them stated they
could not specifically state which boxes they searched, but all
stated they definitely did not see the Imperial Reflex camera
pictured in Federal Bureau of Investigation Laboratory Photograph
No . D-146, or any other camera in the PAINE garage.
On March 24, 1964, Detective ADAMCIK also stated that
there were several boxes in the garage at the PAINE residence
and that all boxes were searched by either himself or one the of other officers . He could not specifically state which boxes
he searched, but stated he definitely did not see the Imperial Reflex camera pictured in Federal Bureau of Investigation
Laboratory Photograph No . D-146, or any other camera in the
garage .
On March 15, 1964, ROBERT OSWALD, 1009 Sierra, Denton,
Texas, advised that on December 8, 1963, be obtained property of
LEE HARVEY OSWALD and MARINA OSWALD which was at the home of RUTH
PAM is Irving, Texas . Included in this property was a box
which contained a two-volume history, some Russian books, and a small American-made camera . He stated he had never made this
camera available to authorities before February 24, 1964, because
he had never been asked for it previously and because
he could see no evidentiary value to anyone interested in the
assassination o£ President JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY of this
cheap camera which belonged to LEE HARVEY OSWALD . He stated
that it had never occurred to him that anyone would be Interested
in the camera .
Photographs.---In her testimony before the Commission in
February 1964, Marina Oswald stated that when Oswald returned
home on the night of the Walker shooting, he told her that he had
been planning the attempt for 2 months. He showed her a notebook
3 days later containing photographs of General Walker's home and
a map of the area where the house was located. Although Oswald
destroyed the notebook, three photographs found among Oswald's
possessions after the assassination were identified by Marina
Oswald as photographs of General Walker's house. Two of these
photographs were taken from the rear of Walker's house. The
Commission confirmed, by comparison with other photographs, that
these were, indeed, photographs of the rear of Walker's house.
An examination of the window at the rear of the house, the wall
through which the bullet passed, and the fence behind the house
indicated that the bullet was fired from a position near the
point where one of the photographs was taken.
The third photograph identified by Marina Oswald depicts the
entrance to General Walker's driveway from a back alley. Also
seen in the picture is the fence on which Walker's assailant
apparently rested the rifle. An examination of certain
construction work appearing in the background of this photograph
revealed that the picture was taken between March 8 and 12, 1963,
and most probably on either March 9 or March 10. Oswald
purchased the money order for the rifle on March 12, the rifle
was shipped on March 20, and the shooting occurred on April 10.
A photography expert with the FBI was able to determine that
this picture was taken with the Imperial Reflex camera owned by
Lee Harvey Oswald. (See app. X, p. 596.)
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/walker.txt
due to details visible in construction work in the picture.
Markings at the edge of the negative indicated that the photograph was
taken with Oswald's Imperial Reflex camera to the exclusion of all other
cameras. Other photographs, such as of the railroad tracks by Walker's
house, also were taken with Oswald's camera.
http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/JA/DR/.dr08.html
WR 404-6; CE 133; CE 134; CE 1351.7-8; CE 1406; 1 H 15-7, 22-3, 37-9,
117-8; 11 H 292-6.
Once again we have Lee supposedly buying a Money Order for the rifle but sends cash for the pistola???
MARINA was questioned concerning cameras which were owned by LEE HARVEY OSWALD and her. She said that they owned two cameras. One of these cameras was a Russian camera which had been purchased by LEE HARVEY OSWALD at Minsk in September, 1961. This camera had been cheap in price but it was a good camera. This camera was brought by the OSWALD's to the United States when they returned from Russia and was among the effects of the OSWALD's at Dallas on November 22, 1963. Marina said OSWALD had purchased this camera after he had left another camera in a cafe in Minsk and had lost it.
The other camera owned by the Oswald's was a United States made camera which LEE HARVEY OSWALD had owned prior to his entry into the U.S. Marine Corps and this was the camera which he had taken pictures with when he was in the Marine Corps. When he went to Russia, Oswald left this camera with his brother ROBERT OSWALD. When Oswald and Marina returned from Russia, ROBERT returned the camera to OSWALD and it was among the effects the OSWALD's had on November 22, 1963.
on 1/29/65 at Dallas, Texas File # DL 100-10461
By Special Agent RICHARD J. WIEHL and WALLACE E. HEITHAN Date Dictated 1/30/64
MARINA was exhibited a photograph which is item 378 of an inventory list prepared by the FBI which photograph depicts two cameras. One a "Cuera - 2" and the other a "Realist". She said the cameras depicted in this photograph appear to be the cameras which were owned by her and her husband. She said the "Cuera - 2" camera appears to be the Russian camera and the "Realist" appears to be the American made camera.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/exhibits/ce1155.htm
Ed
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Don,
If they keep repeating it enough times it must make it so.
These guys better decide whether its better hanging on the cross or banging in the nails.
Currently they are showing stigmata.
Ed
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I did a follow up with both Clydie Gray and James Jackson.
The conversation with James was very friendly as was Clydie.
Asked James about the pay slips and if he recognized his signature, he thought it is his hand writing.
James said he showed the pics I sent him to his daughter 'Patricia' and she thought the pic was of her. (Baby June Photo)
James didn't think it was her because his wife Sally Ann (Bryer) took the kids back to Chicago, ran off with them.
Sally said she (per James) knew Ruby. Some sort of Chicago connection.
I asked him about the insurance man he caught on the back stairs, James could not recall his name but he worked at Prudential. Said he gave him an insurance payment, didn't think much about it since the guy had a reason, business, to be there.
Again he stated his boy was born at Neely and girl was born after leaving Neely. (N. Boulevard Terrace)
Clydie Gray talked about Minnie Williams (whom lived with the Grays) talking to Marina.
She said they both had babies and would speak to each other often. (No Russian/foreign language)
Marina would stroll around the baby a lot.
Oswald did not speak much if at all to her.
She never saw any weapons.
She remembered James Jackson living there at Neely. (This surprised me!)
She recalled arguments from the upstairs when Oswald fought with Marina.
I asked if she could tell if they spoke Russian or English when they fought, she couldn't tell just loud banging on floor etc.
I asked if it could have been the baby playing, she said NO it was many loud arguments.
She said ask Minnie about it.
Again no Russian was spoke in her presence that she recalls.
Ed
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Or flapper would leak and the toilet kept running.
The electric is the odd part never a deposit and strange usage.
I asked James if he ever went back to Neely after moving and he said he never went back.
In this doc Marina talks about the beginning of January at Neely,
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=171027
(and the rifle)
Then she is convinced the rifle didn't exist till the end of March at Neely.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=171615
Tom, James mentioned his sister Nancy Jackson (he can't remember whom she married) worked at the Copa Room and Ruby had sent her messages and wanted her to work for him. She didn't like that idea, and turned down offers from him.
and
Also mentioned was a Victor Antonio Solez(?)
He was a mob guy who could 'fix' things for you, like ID's, fake names, et cetera.
Any info on them would be of interest.
Thanks,
Ed