Kathleen Collins

Gore Vidal thinks highly of Kitty Kelley. He considers her a historian. I still think the publicity for that book was stopped. Maybe media outlets wouldn't book her. Or else she received threats. I wonder if it hit the Best Seller lists like it should have. My library had a copy. Kathy C

This subject is thoroughly discussed in Russ Baker's magnificent book, Family of Secrets. I alluded to it in my posting on the forum last December: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=15089 Russ Baker, author of the best-seller book, "Family of Secrets", will be the guest on the radio show coasttocoastam Saturday night, December 5. He spoke at the recent COPA conference in Dallas and in his informative remarks stressed that those assembled had not focused enough research upon the connection of George H.W. Bush to the Kennedy assassination. Bush was in Dallas on the day of the assassination but created a false trail of his whereabouts on that day by later making a long distance phone call from Tyler, Texas. After hearing Mr. Baker speak at COPA, I subsequently sent him an email about something that should have been included in his book. In 1986, I was informed by a contract agent under contract with the IRS Criminal Intelligence Division that the IRS had uncovered an illegal $10 million fund set up by George H.W. Bush as part of the presidential campaign to re-elect Reagan-Bush in 1984. The fund was administered by Bob Eckels, the County Judge of Harris County (Houston, Texas), who was close to Bush. After he retired, Eckels told the Houston Chronicle and Houston Post newspapers that he was writing a book about deep, dark secrets that he knew, which I interpreted as being a threat to tell about the secret $10 million illegal fund, among other things. I filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission in the late 1980's, requesting the Commission to look into the illegal campaign fund. The Commission took my request seriously and launched an investigation. However, before it could complete its work Bob Eckels suddenly died. His unexpected death raised a question in my mind. So while the Commission was unable to complete its investigation, it did issue a formal opinion for the record that it had found "reason to believe" that the $10 million fund had existed. The FBI later interviewed me about the fund but the agents seemed only interested in finding out how I had had learned about the fund rather than investigating its illegality. As a postscript, the IRS District Director for Houston resigned the day after Clinton Questions. Your last sentence -- "IRS district director for Houston resigned the day after Clinton ---" what? The day after Clinton did what? I have not as yet read any books about the Bushes, whom I despise. Why aren't the authors of these books afraid for their lives? Kitty Kelley wrote a book about the Bush family. I saw her interviewed once or twice and that was the end of her publicity. Strange. When will the revengeful murder happen? There was a museum display in St. Petersburg, FL all about Kennedy. The creator of it spoke at a nearby library and I went to see his collection. I was surprised he was so young. His display was going to be a permanent collection of the museum. Anyway, they closed the show. About 2 days later he was dead of a heart attack. They said he ws 54 years old. Somewhere I have some info on him. His name was Robert L. ? I always thought that death was suspicious. Kathy C

This must have been discussed before. But I'll go ahead. I was watching a compilation of Assassination films on youtube and I noticed that in the Zapruder film, in the first frames with the motorcycle cops, the background seems to be all blacked out. I wondered if that was where the Silver Trailer Van was and the laundry truck in front of it. These vehicles can be seen in the Towner and Hughes films. Why are they blacked out in Zapruder? The pictures appear in Jack White's color insertion of dubious photos in Murder in Dealey Plaza. Also I believe I was reading here recently someone saying Ruby was part of the conspiracy and that he drove the laundry truck. Ruby was very busy that day -- sightings all over. I read that some man and his daughter saw Ruby slide down the hill on the other side o the underpass to Stemmons Freeway with a rifle in his hand and got into a black car which took off. I was just curious about these statements and these photos. Kathy C

Dixie, It's not inappropriate at all! I don't know if there's something unusual about it, or something about the instant of a photograph or the angle of the photo, or what we think people should be doing isn't what people actually do. I do know that it's not limited to the 11/22/1963 photos. There are lots of other photos on lots of different occasions that show the same thing. Here's one, I can post more if you like. You'd think everyone would be focused on the speaker at this moment..... Jerry There is something else strange about this picture. Not only are most of the people focused away from Kennedy, but the men in the center-right all look alike! Did someone pad this picture to make it look like more people are there? Kathy C

So W. Bush's presence at Bohemian Grove the weekend John Jr died was just a coincidence? He went there to burn his conscience. Why did one paper print a retraction? Because we're not supposed to know about the Grove and what goes on there? Kathy C

I'm interested in the Rambler too. But first -- Does anyone believe that President Kennedy went on an LSD trip? I read the book about Mary Pinchot Meyer by Nina Burleigh. She describes how the Georgetown housewives got together on these LSD trips. These women had children, I'm sure, at least most of them. Only a few years before, Jackie Kennedy was a Georgetown housewife. And I remember seeing a picture of Jackie walking on the same towpath! Would the women Jackie was friends with take LSD while their husbands were away? I can't picture this. Kathy C

This is a long thread. I wonder if there was talk of Geraldo Rivera. I used to like the show on CNBC called Rivera Live at 9 pm weeknights. I watched him faithfully for around 5 years. That is why his remark took me by shock. At the end of one of his shows, Geraldo, appropos of nothing, sat there and shook his head like he couldn't believe the inanity of it. Then he said: "Lee Harvey Oswald killed President Kennedy, alone, by himself. There was no conspiracy," he said with contempt. And the show ended. The next week, I'm watching and he said, "I have bad tidings. I will be leaving this show for another job at Fox News. I'm a reporter and I have to be where the action is. (Afghanistan)" He took a job as Foreign Correspondant for Fox News. There must have been great inducement for him to sell out and claim Oswald killed Kennedy. And here it was: a new job and a huge career move. Financial Security. Even his brother is in the act. To me, it was betrayal of the worst kind. Maybe someday he'll run for political office. I wouldn't be surprised. I think he went over to the other side via Operation Mockingbird. Kathy C

What about the ones who had silencers on their guns? Kathy C

Bill, I don't understand. They could remove the forward motion of the President's head. Is this when the car stopped and everyone fell forward a bit because Greer jammed on the brake? Or was it a shot from the rear? They couldn't remove the shot from the side. I guess it was better to remove the limo's stop and not show Secret Service involvement than it was to remove the frontal right shot. Anyone can see in the Z film how he was killed. It's just people seem to listen to suggestions and not trust their own eyes. He was shot from the grassy knoll. Kathy C

Thank you for giving credit to the "scandal sheets." I used to buy them like an addict. I think they have good reporters. It's funny that the first person to receive an anthrax letter and die was working for those newspapers -- the Star, The National Enquirer and the Globe. Kathy C

Bernice, the photo under your gif -- did you notice how puffy that man's sleeves and shoulders are? It's the one with the 2 men and the bus. Is that why you posted it? Kathy C

Bosch looks to be of part-African heritage to me, in the pix Marcel posts on his site. Without irony - to me both Bosch and DCM, in eyeglasses, resemble the American rock pioneer Bo Diddley, whom I once met briefly. Here is a photo of Bo Diddley resembling The Cuban. Kathy C

Tosh Plumlee called him Gator. What was his real name? I've been trying to find out. Does anyone know of a Cuban Exile with 2 fingers missing? Kathy That is correct, Kathy. When I showed my slides to Tosh, he exclaimed spontaneously THAT'S GATOR! Tosh said he was a Cuban who lost two fingers to an alligator, earning him the nickname. Tosh's ID of him is one reason I have always called him THE CUBAN. Jack You and me both. That wasn't a Puerto Rican trying to kill Kennedy. Common sense. His left hand was probably bitten, because he signaled the V sign (I'm told) and also made a fist to warn Greer where to stop. On the other hand (pun intended), he may have been holding up 2 fingers (V sign) because that's all he had! Kathy C

I have not read the others members thoughts yet, as I didn't want anything to influence me. Kennedy had so many enemies I don't know where to start. In the way it all turned out, much must bear on the shouders of the Cuban Exiles hand in hand with the CIA. Now from books I read in the last year, Bobby Kennedy had his own set of Cuban Exiles. 1. I don't think the majority of these Exiles cared for the United States at all. I think they decided to kill Kennedy out of laziness -- they didn't want another Bay of Pigs. They didn't want to fight Castro alone. Let Kennedy be killed by "Castro" and the US would invade Cuba. So we have people here in 2 camps -- that of Bobby Kennedy and that of the CIA, whom President Kennedy wanted to destroy and scatter to the winds. These 2 camps were of one mind. 2. The CIA at that time were funded by the richest of people -- oil men, bankers. The names: DuPont, Ford, Rockefeller, Morgan, Rothschild, Harriman, Luce, etc. These people financed the assassination, as it was beneficial to them. There were ways in which Kennedy said he was going to change the Federal Reserve, and that would close down the banks. 3. He wanted the Civil Rights bill passed. Do you think Clint Murchison, Jr, liked that? How about the John Birches or the Ku Klux Klan? 4. J.Edgar Hoover was fearful that the Kennedys would fire him. Maybe for not fighting organized crime. 5. Big Business didn't like him (e.g., US Steel, Bell Helicopter, Jimmy Hoffa). 6. Johnson hated Kennedy and heard rumors he wasn't going to be on the ticket in 1964. He had the most to gain by Kennedy's death. Johnson was involved with lobbyist Bobby Baker and the scandals raised by that. Johnson was heading to prison. That very day, Nov.22, 1963, someone (?) was giving testimony, which would reveal Johnson's involvement in chicanery. Johnson, some peope say, was so evil he killed his own sister! But before the testimony got too far, the court closed when the news of Kennedy's death reached them. No one really knew where Johnson got all his money. Johnson and his little buddy, J. Edgar, were glad to see Kennedy go. Johnson became the President under terrifying conditions for this country. No one was going to upset the apple cart any further. On the 6th floor of the TSBD, a fingerprint was found on a box. I understand cardboard doesn't retain fingerprints for too long. This one turned out to be Mack Wallace's. Mack Wallace was Johnson's friend since schooldays. He was a convicted murderer. He got a 5 year suspended sentence. What was his print doing on a box on the now infamous 6th floor? 7. Then there was Viet Nam. A major issue. Kennedy didn't want to get involved with that country. He felt it was none of our business to go there. The day after his death, he would have signed a document to the effect that the US wasn't going to get involved in their war. Kennedy wasn't a globalist. He was into keeping this country safe and strong; the strongest in the world. Look where we are now. 8. I also feel there was some inducement by the Vatican. The Catholic Diem Bros., the hated rulers of S. Viet Nam, were killed, losing a Catholic nation to communism. Two weeks later our Catholic president was assassinated. I was brought up in that religion. These so-called celibates are right wing. A right wing society who rape little boys and feel sorry for themselves when they're caught. Then they feel persecuted like Jesus. Too much of this went on: legions. I feel Cardinal Spellman knew Kennedy was a dead duck, and that he, Spellman, would again be the most important Catholic in this country. Those are my opinions. I'm not going to lie for the sake of political correctness. Kathy C

Tosh Plumlee called him Gator. What was his real name? I've been trying to find out. Does anyone know of a Cuban Exile with 2 fingers missing? Kathy

BLATANTLY FALSE! I agree. This photo scares me and it intrigues me as well. No way was Kennedy going to get out of there alive. A photographer unknown to me tried to take a photo of the passengers of the limo as it sped on this raised part of Stemmon's Freeway. He only managed to get a photo of the front of the limo. But in the background is a man standing on the roof with a rifle. Since I don't have a study of Stemmons Freeway, I'm curious if anyone can determine what building that man is standing on. If I remember correctly he had some kind of hat on, military, which makes me think of the anti-Cuban exiles. Kathy

________________________________________________________________ Kathy, How about the front passenger chair missing when the plane was finally discovered and examined? This is very much worth the watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xm7VDfmjnk The narration is ok, but the presentation of evidence and video (especially coverage by WCVB-TV Channel 5, Boston and comments from then Channel 5 Anchor Chet Curtis, who is a Pilot himself and explains various requirements for obtaining hours and clarifies a number of flying related issues) is excellent. Anyone seeing this with an open mind is very likely to believe it, as I do. JG John, I will watch all of it soon. The part of the story that scares me is about the flight instructor being on board. I missed the initial news when he died. I've read the "rescuers" shot an 8 hour film of the whole operation after the instructor was removed. What happened to him? Did he have a family? Maybe his family was paid off. The Besettes were. I don't think John Jr fouled up in that plane. Probably the fuel switch was turned off by the flight instructor. I don't know why they had to kill him. He was still young and I don't think he was ready for the Presidency. Maybe a senator but not the so-called "top job." He needed more experience, I think. Who knows? I think he would have gone on to something other than the Presidency. His uncle, Robert, was killed seeking that office. I think there were other avenues for him to go down to be influential. His sister did not fare well. I am still surprised that Ted Kennedy wanted Caroline to run for senator. She's a walking target. She shouldn't be in the public eye. Supposedly Jackie made a tape about JFK that she didn't want anyone to hear until her "last child was dead." Well, there's only one now. I read Jackie wanted John to follow in his father's footsteps. That just can't be right. Kathy C

Yes, Bernice, the name of the man was John Hankey. I listened to the blackop show about a year ago. Kathy C

I think for the 1st time ever I'm in 100% agreement with Dean !! Mildly amusing at best, as someone else pointed out the tape was obviously slowed down. I'm an adult child of an alcoholic. Bush came across drunk. If the tape was slowed that explains why I never saw it before. Also there is a vast minority of us wondering if the boy in front of the TSBD is George W. Bush. Maybe you don't think there's a chance of that, but I spent many hours today looking up photos of him. The boy can also be seen in front of the TSBD in the last second of the Hughes film. That's what it has to do with the Kennedy Assassination. It's not my fault you find some threads boring or whatever and don't know what some of us -- a vast minority, I know -- are thinking of the photo of that boy who might be Ron Lewis or might be George W. I bet this was the same reaction when the other photo surfaced of George H W Bush in front of the TSBD. There may be something to it. Like there may be something to that footage I posted here besides chicanery. Some of us are wondering if W, as young as he was, had something to do with the death of President Kennedy. This is what motivated me in posting that link. Sorry but I don't buy your post-hoc rationalization, can you point to anyone besides you who suspects W. was in front of the TSDB? Any pictures of his dad there? It was politely pointed out to you you'd posted this in the wrong forum and you responded with name calling. Dean was wrong W. actually would have been 17 at the time and a student at Phillips Academy, outside of Boston. I imagine some would have noticed if he had been inexplicably absent that day. Comment deleted,unfortunately I momentarily sank to her level They were not pointing out to me that I was in the wrong topic thread. They were putting down my assertion that the boy in the photo looks like W. He does and I'm going to study it for awhile. I don't care what school he was supposed to be in or what town. Those institutions probably don't even have his records anymore. Kathy C

Jack. This is the problem as i see it. Since you have recently stated that you beleive that ALL of the photo's and films have been tampered with, then what is the point of posting images. at any time during the discussion, you can simply stop the thread dead in it's track's by asserting that the images posted are bogus and have been altered. This becomes tedious and very frustrating at times. Sorry Jack That's just the way i see it. Robin...I do believe that all images are "suspect". That does not mean that all are complete fiction. Most started as a genuine image of some sort which was then altered in KEY WAYS to remove or add certain things. Sometimes mistakes were made, and finding the mistakes is a key to understanding the fakery. I am attaching an example. You probably consider the Nix film "genuine" I assume. Here is but a single example of a SINGLE FRAME where the retouching was very bizarre and sloppy. I have no idea what the odd frame represents, but it purports to be (as I recall) where Nix's camera catches the top of a gray hat of a man in the foreground. The badly retouched area represents the crown of the hat. But in ONE FRAME ONLY, a bizarre image was not painted out. Judge the image for yourself, but do not tell me that it is actually a product of a single frame Nix camera original. And it is not something that I have added, as some have accused me of doing. What would you (and others) have me do...IGNORE findings like this? To me, it is clear that something that Nix photographed needed to be obscured. I am sure with your vast collection that you can locate this frame for yourself. Find it and THEN tell me that the Nix film is genuine. Thanks for your opinion. Best regards. Jack Nobody is right all of the time. FWIW, I spend a lot of time looking at these photos with much suspicion because of the faked, contrived Zapruder film. And I think others here do too. All of your comments are so derogatory and show a lack of respect. Jack's got his opinion; you have yours. Did you ever see his analysis of the thing that went into the Pentagon? No way was that a plane. And Jack was one of the first to analyze it and say it wasn't. And even Rumsfeld, seen on youtube, said it was a missile. And I believe the Moon Walk Hoax too. I understand yesterday someone high up at NASA was reprimanded by some entity because he isn't shooting for the moon. How could he? We can't get through the Van Allen Radiation Belts! The part of the Nix picture that caught my eye was that there were whole places on Houston St where no one was standing. I'm sure the bulging crowd on Main and Houston would have grabbed those open spots to see the President better. I am going to check the Hughes film to see if it correlates. Kathy C

There is much info about John Jr's death on the Internet. This one is very interesting. The author wants this "news" emailed to friends. So I'm "emailing" it here. It comes from Lovearth. Also there was a book on this subject. Len Osanic interviewed the author who connected HW and President K; and W to John Jr. Don't remember the name. Blackopradio.com Kathy C "Was John F. Kennedy Jr. Murdered? Judge For Yourself The report of the National Transportation Safety Board came out on August 8, 2000, 13 months after the plane crash of JFK Jr. It contradicts many of the lies pushed in the media. For example, the L.A. Times reported "The accident that killed Kennedy was caused by an inexperienced pilot .. the NTSB concluded in its final report" (LA TIMES, 7/7/00, page 1). In fact, the NTSB report shows that Kennedy was highly experienced (he had more than enough hours for an instructor's license), he was described by his trainers as "excellent", "methodical", and "very cautious." (NTSB report, page 3) The media say the visibility was poor. But the NTSB quotes the Tower manager at Martha's Vineyard, where the plane went down, saying that there were "stars out" and visibility was "between 10 and 12 miles" (NTSB report, page 5). Why did the media lie? Why have they always lied about the murder of his father? 1) The rescue: This is enormouly important. The FAA radar tracked Kennedy's plane crash. The U.S. Coast Guard has reported that Kennedy contacted the tower on his final approach. THIS IS ENORMOUSLY IMPORTANT!!! It means they would have known his plane was going down before it hit the water. FAA regulations require that a search begin immediately when a plane reports itself on final approach and does not land within 5 minutes. Yet it took them 14½ hours to send the first planes and boats to Martha's Vineyard. (Boston Herald, 7/20/99 "Time gaps in early hours of search are beyond explanation" Jack Sullivan and David Talbot) (LINK5)WHY? 2) The plane: Kennedy's plane had autopilot, capable of flying itself to within 100 feet of the airport. All a "cautious and methodical" pilot had to do was sit back and let the plane fly itself. (NTSB report, page 18) 3) The sabotage: Kennedy's plane had a black box. No other private non-jet plane on earth had one. He knew they wanted to kill him and he wanted to make it hard. The NTSB, says the battery had been removed, destroying all record of conversation in the cockpit. (NTSB page 10) All planes have an Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT), which sends out a beacon signal in case of a crash. It took 5 days to locate Kennedy's plane. Why? Was it missing? Disabled? The report says nothing. According to the NTSB report, the fuel valve had been turned to OFF (NTSB report, page 12). This valve had a safety device on it so that it could not accidentally be turned to OFF. Turning it off during flight would be suicide, since at top speed, the engine will die in 45 seconds!! Because the results are potentially deadly, the valve cannot be turned by accident. A safety-release button must be pushed down and held while turning the valve. This piece of evidence is the smoking gun. It is positive proof of foul play. Was Kennedy committing suicide? If he wasn't, there can scarcely be any question but that he was murdered. So who turned the valve? Read on. Kennedy's flight logbook is missing. (NTSB report, page 2) This will be seen as critical in one minute, because the logbook would have recorded the presence of a flight instructor on the plane. The media talked about a "graveyard spiral" and various forms of disorientation. The NTSB report describes Kennedy's plane making two mild explainable maneuvers; and then the plan plunged drastically to the right and plummeted straight down, crashing 2600 feet in 45 seconds. It sounds like someone grabbed the controls and suddenly shoved the plane into the water. But this description of a suicide plunge is consistent with the "suicide" position of the fuel valve. 4) The flight instructor: All of the early reports said there was a flight instructor on the plane (e.g. The New York Times, Saturday July 17, 1999). Then the flight instructor disappeared from the reports. Kennedy very rarely flew at night without a flight instructor. Out of 310 hours of flight time, and 55 hours at night, he had only 45 minutes at night without an instructor. (LINK12)He was very cautious. He had his wife on board. It is almost unthinkable that he would not have taken an instructor. 5) Egypt Air 990: Two months later Egyptian Air flight 990, with 30 of the highest ranking members of the Egyptian military on board, crashed. (It was big news for several days. The pilot's family and the Egyptian government objected to the NTSB finding that the pilot was committing suicide. "He was happily married. Moslems don't commit suicide" etc.) This pilot had walked into the cockpit, said "Allah help me', grabbed the controls, and tried to force the plane to crash. Three other pilots, grabbed him, and there was a struggle; he gave up, turned around, and he turned the fuel valve OFF. Both pilots, Kennedy's flight instructor and the Egyptian, were programmed, using hypnosis or other mind control, to act in exactly the same way. The CIA has settled lawsuits by victims of their mind control experiments, the MK Ultra program. One of the physicians, Dr. John Gittinger, Chief Psychologist of the CIA, tortured by his conscience, has come forward to expose the existence of these programs and their purpose: to create walking, pre-programmed human time bombs, set to go off on cue, taking out their intended victim. Kennedy's emergency locator was removed, the cockpit recorder was disabled, the flight log was taken, and the body of the flight instructor was removed. (But they forgot to return the fuel valve to ON!!) They delayed the rescue 14 hours to do it. They were waiting in the water for the plane to crash. Who was? Who indeed? But why would anyone want to kill John Kennedy Jr.? He was planning to run for National office according to Newsweek and People. He told friends he would have run for Senate in New York, but let Hillary Clinton run instead. And he would have won. He was the most popular man in the US. And for good reason. He was a great guy. But he was the only Kennedy to ever acknowledge a conspiracy in his father's death. He not only acknowledge it, he published an article by Oliver Stone, in his magazine, George, about assassination, conspiracies, and lying history books. Who would want to kill him? The people who killed his father had to kill him. Kennedy Jr. was going to go after them."

Hi, Mr. Copeland. So I won't get any sob sisters annoyed that I am "ruining a thread," I'm going to post some info about John Jr in a new topic. Kathy C

Here's another profile of W.: Kathy C

His mother was having her hair done in Tyler, Texas, the same place her husband was at the time of the assassination. GHWB was in Dallas later that day. However, I doubt that he rushed there in order to stand around and have his picture taken in front of the TSBD. But of course it's conceivable that he simply had nothing better to do. W may have been in boarding school that day, but of course he was able to participate later in ridding the world of Kennedys, as he and some other VIP (I forget who) were seen (I forget by whom) tinkering with the engine of John Jr.'s plane just before the fatal flight. About that report of George HW Bush, his son, W and some other person, who were supposedly at the airport (West Essex or is it West Caldwell?) tinkering with John Jr's plane. Now why would they risk exposure by going there themselves? I don't believe it. It's a small airport in a business/retail section of NJ. I used to work for a company in the Ricoh building, which was right next door to the airport. I remember I'd feel a slight worry every once in awhile that a plane might hit the building. This was way before 9/11. But being surrounded as it was, I think it's impossible for those famous faces to be examining his plane without anyone seeing them. Of course it would really link W to John's death, if he did show up in person and planted a barometric bomb. Witnesses said the night John died they saw an explosion in the air around dusk. Burning all conscience. Thanks for your info about where the Bushes were on Nov.22, 1963. Kathy C

I just wish I had the link to bring me to the film of that day where you see him walking across the street. Kathy C