Kathleen Collins

I came across a film on youtube named "Some Facts Have Always Been There: 'J.F.Kennedy.'" The speaker describes seeing a man coming down the hill and getting into a station wagon. At 1:44+

you see a man running as described. Is this Lee Oswald?

Follow this link.

Kathy C

It is my opinion that the Mob may have shared a hit man for the Assassination, but they wanted no connection to the Kennedy Assassination. Jack Ruby imo, was CIA. When he was being connected to the Chicago Mob, one of them ordered the murder of Karyn Kupcinet, the daughter of Irv Kupcinet; in order to shake up the people in Chicago, who knew her so well, so that they'd forget about Ruby for awhile. Ruby was originally from Chicago.

Irv Kupcinet was a talk show host -- Kup's Show -- and a columnist with the Chicago Sun-Times. There is now a huge, bronze statue of Irv in Chicago, arm raised, welcoming everyone to Chicago. I can't think of anyone who was held in such high esteem than Irv Kupcinet.

Kathy C

Agreed, there's some really good stuff here.

How come none of the photos are labeled as evidence with the name of the photographer, date they were taken, where they were processed and when, etc.?

Okay, they were found in a closit and posted because of a grant from these save history people, God bless them, but then there's all the unanswered questions.

Where did the curtain rods come from and whose fingerprints are they, anyway?

And whose fingerprints are those on the fender of Tippit's squad car? Tippits, as he fell, being shot by his killer?

Or are they of someone else? If so, whose are they? Something that can still be determined today if fed into a fingerprint computer program.

And then there's the rifle on the work table that appears to be the TSBD wrapping station where the brown paper wrap they say was used to cover and transport the rifle to the TSBD and found on the Sixth Floor by the Sniper's window, a series of very strange photos.

And if that isn't the TSBD wrapping station, what is it?

And who is the artist's sketch of - apparently a suspect of something?

And who are Don Ray Ables, Guy Everett Nice, Beverly L. Horton, Travis Kirk and William Earl Patrick O'Donnell, whose photos and mug shots appear in this collection that is supposed to have something to do with the assassination of President Kennedy, but these people are all new to me.

Has anybody else heard of them before, and considered why they are being included in JFK's murder file?

Maybe I missed something.

If so, please fill me in, Thanks,

So many questions, so little time,

BK

I never heard of any of these, not surprisingly. But I noticed with O'Donnell he has a small chin like LHO and the back of his head looks sloped the same way Oswald's did.

Kathy C

When I was researching the Mary Pinchot Meyer case I once again came across the name Leo Damore. Apparently, why researching his book, Senatorial Privilege: The Chappaquiddick Cover-Up, he came across information that persuaded him to research the Meyer case. However, Damore committed suicide in 1995 and the book was never published.

http://www.spartacus...k/USAdamore.htm

Although I had read extracts of Senatorial Privilege on the web I thought it would be a good idea to get a copy of the book. I could then find out if there was any links with what he found out about Chappaquiddick and the assassination of JFK. If he did, there is no evidence of this in the book. I know that he came under intense pressure from the Kennedy family not to publish the book. (Random House cancelled the contract for the book although it had paid Damore a generous advance). In fact, the book was not published until 14 years after he started work on the project. I suspect he may have been forced to remove some parts of the book before it was published. Although a detailed account of the cover-up, it does not tell us anything we did not know. Damore's main scoop is to get Kennedy's cousin, Joe Gargan, to tell his story. Gargan and Paul Markham were the two friends who were told about the accident and tried to rescue Mary Jo Kopechne. Gargan's story is not very different from the one he told during the inquest. The main difference is that Gargan argues that the reason for the delay in reporting the incident was that Edward Kennedy was trying to persuade someone else to take the blame for driving the car. Gargan and Markham refused. Kennedy then wanted to claim that Mary Jo was driving. This idea was also rejected. At this point, Kennedy tells the two men that he planned to go back to Edgartown to report the accident. He then dived into the water to swim back to his hotel (this was a very risky thing to do and Kennedy claims he nearly drowned during the swim. As there was a public phone close by, it seems a very strange thing to have done.

Damore's main thesis is that Kennedy was drunk and therefore not willing to report the accident until the next morning. However, he must have been aware, that not reporting the accident was a far more serious offence. Damore does not explain this nor several other items of evidence that undermines Gargan's story. I think Damore is wrong to believe Gargan's story. I suspect this was more about Gargan covering-up his own behaviour.

I will post later what I think might have happened at Chappaquiddick.

It's been a long time since I read Senatorial Privilege by Leo Damore, but I recall Damore making the rounds of NY radio talk shows. Then suddenly he's dead. I find this suspicious, as someone said he killed himself. I don't believe this for a minute. But what I couldn't get over was Joe Gargan, Ted's cousin, giving so much incriminating info about Ted to Damore for his book. Gargan really turned against Ted 20 odd years later. I've never found anything about that aspect. Can you imagine the hatred this would engender? Or already existed? How is Gargan being treated by the Kennedy family?

I think Ted got out of the car to hide in brush and told Mary Jo to take off. She must have seen this little road and turned into it fast and her car fell off that cursed bridge. This is why no one saw Ted wet. Or upset the next morning. Then Gargan and Markham show up to inform him Mary Jo drowned. Which is another reason he didn't call for help. He thought she got home safe.

Also, there were reports of E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis being seen on Martha's Vineyard. Which is another theory.

Kathy Collins

Of late I believe in a different theory. My source -- I can't remember. I read it on the Internet. I did not invent this theory, but it seems rational to me.

Mary Jo left the party because she drank so much and wanted to lay down where it was quiet. She went into the back seat of Ted Kennedy's car and passed out.

Shortly afterward, Kennedy and Ms. Keogh went to take a drive. Kennedy believed the cop was after him, turns down the lane and plunges into the water because of that stupid bridge that shouldn't have been there. He and Keogh manage to get out. They do not know Mary Jo was in the back seat. Ted only found this out the following morning. Two men approached him in the dining room (a cousin and a friend). Ted's face changed to absolute shock as witnessed by the elderly couple in the dining room of the hotel.

The authorities found Mary Jo Kopechne in the car and a pocketbook. Curiously, it didn't belong to Mary Jo; it belonged to Ms. Keogh. This is the explanation I believe.

Kathy C

This new DISINFORMATION is a DIRECT response to the new book on Wilson's work....and I have word more will be forthcoming in the next few weeks. Jack White, and others, long ago proved the photos fakes....and the constant finding over time of new versions [as well as how and where the 'first' and 'only' originals were found] strengthens that. More versions 'out there'. Can't say more. Only the blind or cognitively impaired believe those photos were taken by Marina, and not composite fakes. 

Peter,

I swear you are going to worry yourself into a tizzy. It seems Mr. Farid has done alot over the last few years with respect to this type of project. He may have had an interest in LHO's picture, and thought he'd try it and see what happened. I don't think there is anything dark and sinister going on.

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~farid/publications/

Kathy

Sorry, Kathy, but there is something dark and sinister going on. Remember they killed our President. Those backyard photos are not of Harvey Oswald (John Armstrong theory), the man who was killed by Jack Ruby -- in my opinion.

Kathy C

Is it a coincidence that Zapruder filmed the events in Dealey Plaza? Is it possible that De Mohrenschildt suggested to Zapruder that he filmed the events that day? De Mohrenschildt was a shrewd businessman and maybe he had agreed with Zapruder to split the profits of the deal.

I believe the original idea was to blame Castro for the assassination of JFK. The two chosen men to be set-up with the killing both had links with Cuba. At this time it actually helped for evidence to be produced that JFK was the victim of a conspiracy. The plan was to kill Oswald soon after the assassination and to allow the other patsy (possibly a Cuban-agent in Dallas at the time) to flee to Havana. However, LBJ refused to invade Cuba and so this left the authorities to change the story to Oswald as the lone-killer. The Zapruder Film now became a problem for those involved in the cover-up.

Hi, John. De Mohrenschildt was a shrewd businessman. What does that have to do with Zapruder's home movie of the President passing by? They wanted to split the profits? What profits? It was just a brief home movie. No one knew the President was going to die supposedly.

Also there seems to be 2 factions regarding Kennedy's murder. Those (Cuban Exiles, the Mob) who hated Castro and were angry with Kennedy for not liberating Cuba. And those who wanted Oswald to take the blame for killing Kennedy, a single lone gunman -- LBJ, CIA, Military, Big Business/oil barons. LBJ won the day it seems to me.

Kathy C

"The first time I saw it, I literally gasped -- because it's so shocking," said Waleed Ali, president of MPI Home Video of Orland Park, Ill., which is producing the video. "It makes the one Oliver Stone used [for the movie "JFK"] look like a pale ghost. The clarity is breathtaking. This is literally as crisp and clear as the original in the vault."

Longtime students of the JFK assassination predict there will be charges of doctoring nonetheless, not to mention a new rush of hypothesizers seeing what they want to see.

"This is going to be a can of worms," says Harold Weisberg, a longstanding critic of the Warren Commission's conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, killed Kennedy from behind, firing from a sniper's nest on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository.

"There are people who think the film was doctored, that it was flown to the Soviet Union," Weisberg says. "The crazy people are going to get crazier, on both sides of the fence. Some people will look at the film and see things that aren't there. Others will look at it and not see what is there."

Even so, he welcomes the public debut: "Let the people see it. Let them reach their own conclusions. I'm just sorry it's taken 35 years."

Under the arrangement, made final on Nov. 25, 1963, the day of Kennedy's funeral, Zapruder was also to receive half of all gross receipts after Life had recouped its investment. Time Inc., in turn, agreed to treat the unique slice of history "with good taste and dignity."

The Zapruders had already decided to make a video of it. A specially commissioned photographic expert hired by LMH spent five days at the National Archives in mid-March 1997, making magnified 4-by-5-inch transparencies of each frame from the original, including images between the sprocket holes that no copy has ever captured.

"This [inter-sprocket material] constitutes about 20 percent of the information recorded on the film," says historian David R. Wrone, author of a brief history of the Zapruder movie. Because the Warren Commission used a Secret Service copy for its investigation -- the original could not be stopped to inspect individual frames because of possible damage to the film -- "it necessarily eliminated the 20 percent marginal matter."

Those watching the frames starting with 313, when the fatal shot explodes, will be struck by the forceful, backward movement of Kennedy's head -- seemingly indicating a shot from the front and to the right of the motorcade.

"I watched it the other night with 12 other people. Not one of us thought the shot came from behind," said Ali. "Not only does the head recoil. You can see the head open up from the front."

Look again, says G. Robert Blakey, former chief counsel for the House Assassinations Committee. "If you look carefully, the first thing you see is the head moving forward, very briefly. That is the bullet hitting the head from the rear. Then there is the snap back, after the head explodes. The X-rays of the skull and the fragments we have all indicate he was not hit from the front right."

Come Aug. 25, the video's projected release date, viewers can judge for themselves. To guard against charges of doctoring, a crew from MPI Home Video went to the Archives to film the filming of the individual frames, before they were digitized and put back into motion picture format.

© Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company

The original in the vault? Is he referring to the "other film?"

The Secret Service had a copy? I wonder if it's the other film.

How can we examine the X-rays when they've been altered? The Dallas team of doctors said the X-rays they'd seen in later years were not the ones matching what they saw of the President's wounds in Dallas.

Kathy C

Hi kathy ...so very sorry to read your health news.......please take care and only do what you should.....i wish you all the very best and a full recovery....you are in my prayers......sincerely bernice..

Thanks to everyone. It was especially nice hearing from you, Bernice. It means a lot to me. I'm sure your prayers for me will reach Heaven faster than anyones'.

Yours Truly,

Kathy

It might not be a fake picture, but

1 How does a man stand at an angle that his body is in?

2. It's an obvious attempt to brand Oswald was a Marxist. Why would someone willingly pose with this incriminating stuff, especially when Oswald (Harvey) denied he shot anyone? If he came out and said I did it, it would be different. Wasn't there a point when Harvey knew he was being painted as a Commie?

3. If that's not Harvey, and I maintain it isn't him, it must be Lee Oswald (John Armstrong)

Kathy C

Is it a coincidence that Zapruder filmed the events in Dealey Plaza? Is it possible that De Mohrenschildt suggested to Zapruder that he filmed the events that day? De Mohrenschildt was a shrewd businessman and maybe he had agreed with Zapruder to split the profits of the deal.

I believe the original idea was to blame Castro for the assassination of JFK. The two chosen men to be set-up with the killing both had links with Cuba. At this time it actually helped for evidence to be produced that JFK was the victim of a conspiracy. The plan was to kill Oswald soon after the assassination and to allow the other patsy (possibly a Cuban-agent in Dallas at the time) to flee to Havana. However, LBJ refused to invade Cuba and so this left the authorities to change the story to Oswald as the lone-killer. The Zapruder Film now became a problem for those involved in the cover-up.

Hi, John. De Mohrenschildt was a shrewd businessman. What does that have to do with Zapruder's home movie of the President passing by? They wanted to split the profits? What profits? It was just a brief home movie. No one knew the President was going to die supposedly.

Also there seems to be 2 factions regarding Kennedy's murder. Those (Cuban Exiles, the Mob) who hated Castro and were angry with Kennedy for not liberating Cuba. And those who wanted Oswald to take the blame for killing Kennedy, a single lone gunman -- LBJ, CIA, Military, Big Business/oil barons. LBJ won the day it seems to me.

Kathy C

Thank you, everybody. There's been yet another stumbling block. For some reason the incision opened last night. I wasn't supposed to lift more than 10 pounds and I went grocery shopping, carrying in the big jugs of spring water that I get and other heavy things. Then I spent the middle of the night bent over the bathroom sink as blood was streaming out of me. Previous to this is seemed like it was getting better. Anyway, I saw the Oncologist today and he said I'll have a nasty scar now.

The incision is open. I'm taking antibiotics but the doctor cancelled my radiation for 2 weeks to give the area time to heal. This of course ruins my holiday plans. Instead I'm going north in March, which means I might miss the blizzards and other northern annoyances.

My best friend in NJ is setting aside 5 days from work so we can hang out together. We like to watch movies -- my favorite is Mommy Dearest. and Carnival of Souls.

It'll be a weird season.

Thanks again,

Kathy C

I want to share this with the members of this forum. I know in the past I made mistakes here and elsewhere. The one about the Morrisettes, I swear, was done in a light sleep or fugue state. I am a sleep walker, I talk in my sleep and lately I've awakened to no air getting into my throat. I kept cool about this, but I think that's the way people die in their sleep.

So I'm going to tell you members something personal. I have cancer. It was confirmed last week. I underwent a lumpectomy of the breast. Tomorrow I start 6 weeks of radiation. This is very hard at this time because my brother is in chronic renal failure, and he's up north and I'm not. It's odd we got sick at nearly the same time. Because of my treatments, I won't be going to visit him for the holidays like I always do. I have some friends who'll pay my transportation via cabs, should I need them. I am going to drive myself to the place. It's about 10 minutes away. I am told I am going to be very tired. I hope not.

Please keep me in your thoughts.

Thanks for reading this.

Kathy C

I laughed my ass off at this. It's a Jerry Lewis impersonator and the concept is Jerry's selling an album of his songs. Every song has the word "lady" in it. It's under 2 minutes and it's hysterical.

Kathy C

Here is a discussion of the so-called Senator Gale McGee (D-Wyoming) Memorandum (1962 or 1963) mostly about the John Birch Society:

http://books.google.com/books?id=uPZXEkMA0...dum&f=false

This memorandum along with the Reuther Memorandum will one day be recognized as an ill-fated venture for JFK and the Democrats.

Realistically speaking it only confirmed what the Birchers and the members of Buckley's YAF feared the most: Big Brother and the One World Order

conspiring against them to ruin them financially, politically and in the eyes of their faithful followers.

Within a year of the publication of this McGee memorandum, JFK was dead.

"Hey, hey, JFK how many Birchers shot you down today?"

Was this a line from a Bob Dylan song or from whose song was it if not his?[\quote]

John, first of all the lyric was probably written by Abbie Hoffman or Jerry Rubin (both dead). I just want to say that you are knowledgeable in areas where I'm a little foggy. So I have to reread your posts here to understand better how this country worked in 1963. One thing I didn't understand -- William F. Buckley and YAF were afraid of Big Brother and the One World Order? I thought they were Big Brother aspiring to a One World Order!

Kathy C

BK: I wonder why it was his seminarian cousin asked Oswald to give his talk about life in USSR, how his other cousin got hooked up with Harold Issacs while on her world tour, what the Catholic Aid Relief did with the money the CIA gave it, and what Syliva Odio told Father McChann about Oswald's visit before the assassination, and what was McChann's relationship to John Martino, and why SS agent Kelly and McChann concocked a scheme to get her to tell them who the others with Oswald really were, and why did Father McChann suddenly leave Dallas after the assassination and hold up in a seminary in New Orleans, and what was the Catholic Church's association with the MDC, and did the CIA use the Catholic Church in Cuba as an intelligence network after Castro took power?

But then nobody will ever try to answer these questions when they can just blame right-wing extremists, Jesuits and the Pedophelic Nazi Church for everything.

Right on, BK. Hey, Kathy C., congratulations on becoming the thing you hate. You're merely the other side of the same coin.

JG

I don't know you. You don't know me. I despise religions because of their brainwashing. So tell the molested men that they're on the other side of the coin because they sued the Catholic Church and every piece of garbage that came falling out as a result -- all the molestations -- or rapes -- why not use the word rape? Women hating, war mongers... How Cardinal Spellman loved the Assassination of Kennedy and years later Cardinal Cook died from AIDS. These people I'm supposed to respect? I don't.

Kathy C

Who was that Senator from the Northwest who also filed a memorandum in the 1962-1963 era recommending to go after

the Far Right and bring them to a crashing halt? Why it was Senator Gale McGhee from Wyoming now that I did my research.

Turns out that he was the Senator who urged his fellow delegates to put JFK over the top during the 1960 Democratic

Convention joining Walter Reuther as unabashedly outspoken proponents of all things Kennedy for the next several years.

Senator Gale McGhee almost got the job that my uncle Charles Yost received, that of US Ambassador to the United Nations.

And he was US Representative to the Organization of American States as well. Just a good old fashioned liberal negotiation

specialist who believed in everything JFK stood for and for nothing represented by the Radical Reich Wing of Republican Politics.

1960 Democratic Convention

From Harper's Magazine[8]:

"With Kennedy only eleven votes short of the nomination, Ted Kennedy approached the Wyoming delegation, where Kennedy was known to have eight and a half solid votes, Johnson had six, and one-half vote remained loyal to Adlai Stevenson. Suddenly one of Wyoming's leaders broke away from a frantic huddle with Ted Kennedy, hopped on a chair, and held up four fingers to the delegates. "Give me four votes!" he begged. "We can put him over the top! Please give me four votes!" Hastily the Wyoming delegates decided to write themselves a footnote to history. Chairman Roncalio proudly spoke of the honor that was his as Wyoming cast all fifteen of its votes for John F. Kennedy."

"In the roar greeting the announcement, I kept my eyes on the man who had begged for four votes. He was jumping up and down, slapping a beaming Ted Kennedy on the back, apparently beside himself with joy. I recognized him as our old friend Senator Gale McGee."

[edit] Second Senate term

In 1964 McGee was re-elected to the Senate. In his second term he was appointed to the Foreign Relations Committee and became chairman of the Post Office and Civil Service Committee. During this period Gale McGee supported President Lyndon B. Johnson's views on the conflict in Vietnam. Johnson strongly considered appointing Senator McGee to be Ambassador to the UN after the resignation of Arthur Goldberg.[9]

He believed in the policy of containing communism, and his pro-military views were accented by his firm support for foreign aid. McGee often took a liberal position on domestic issues and an internationalist stand on foreign affairs.

[edit] Third Senate term

In 1970 he was elected to a third term in the Senate and continued to be a leading member of the committees on which he served. McGee was a voice of moderation in the affairs of the Watergate scandal and the impeachment proceedings of President Richard Nixon. Against the wishes of his constituents, McGee fought hard for gas rationing and the 55-mile per hour speed limit in the era of the first Arab oil embargoes.

In his 1976 bid for a fourth term, McGee was easily defeated by Republican challenger Malcolm Wallop. The margin of defeat was almost ten percentage points.

[edit] Accomplishments

Among the major laws he has authored include an amendment that prevented a Nationwide rail strike in 1963, the act that created the National Commission on Food Marketing, and the Postal Reorganization Act of 1970. As chair of the Post Office and Civil Service Committee, McGee’s efforts led to greater equity in pay and benefits for those federal workers. McGee also specialized in problems of appropriations and foreign relations while serving on subcommittees and lobbied for legislation to allow voter registration by mail.

McGee was also the author of The Responsibilities of World Power, published in 1968. The work warned against isolationism and urged the United States to accept its power and position imposed upon it in the aftermath of World War II. McGee further argued that the U.S. had a responsibility to be a Pacific power, to act as a counterweight to China, and to support free nations in their efforts to remain nonaligned or western allies but not to fall into the communist fold. The work was nominated for a Woodrow Wilson Foundation award.

A long-time supporter of the United Nations, McGee was appointed by President Richard Nixon to a four-member congressional delegation to represent the United States at the United Nation’s 27th General Assembly in 1972.

So Gale McGhee filed this 100+ page document recommended a full broadside against the Radical Reich about the same

time that the Reuther brothers were doing the same thing in Washington, DC. And in fact they both ended up sealing JFK's

fate, as the Radical Reich gained momentum and steam while they hatched their plans to remove JFK from the face of the

earth.

So what did JFK's killers have in common? (Cover your ears and close your eyes if you are the least bit squeamish.)

#1 They were first and foremost anti-Semites a/k/a "Jew Haters" So the Reuther Brothers were high on their hit list too

#2 They were against any Civil Rights advances a/k/a "Nigra Haters" and they were first and foremost "Eugenicists" to the core

#3 They were against anything Communistic or collectivist like Unions a/k/a "Commie-Haters" and "Strike-Busters"

#4 They were for the most part also very opposed to anything involved with "Catholicism", "Papism" or the "Mackeral Snappers" which is what they called Catholics who ate fish on fridays.

#5 They were for the most part "pure blooded Mayflower Descendants" who hated any immigrants who joined unions and took away their profits plus they hated the "mud-races" who could not trace back their heritage through 10 generations back to England.

#6 Many of them were tea-toataling non-drinkers who looked down on anyone who chased after loose women, gambled or

otherwise had low morals. And JFK's father was a rum runner by trade.

And in fact they saw JFK as a "Jew-Lover" who favored Civil Rights "Nigra-Lover", a Democrat who was pro-Union and a "Com-Symp" or a Communist Sympathizer and not only was he a "Mackeral Snapper" and a "Papist" but he was an uppity Irish low class recent immigrant to boot. Plus he chased women, drank like a fish and was an the son of a rum runner. And that did not even make him a good Catholic, let alone a good Christian. Five strikes and you are OUT!

As Rev. Gerald L K Smith said it best perhaps:

"The Kennedy brothers are nothing but whisky-swigging, whore mongering, fake Catholics who want to take this country away

from the God-loving, White Christian Patriots and hand it over on a silver platter to the Nigras, the Kikes, the Wops and the Spics."

NOW DO YOU GET IT? I HOPE SO!

And when you add up those 5 listed characteristics, what kind of a person do you get? A bunch of Nazis, Nazi-symps and neo-Nazis like Rev GLK Smith, Ron Gostick, Pat Walsh, Eric Butler, Fred Schwarz, Charles Willoughby, Bonner Fellers, Wesley A. Swift, Albert C. Wedemeyer, Willis Carto, Wickliffe Draper, Sen. James Eastland, Barry Goldwater, John Tower, Leander Perez, Mitch Werbell, Edwin A. Walker, Robert Morris, Anastase Vonsiatsky, William F. Buckley, Yaroslaw Stetsko, and many others who all agreed that JFK had to go.

Who else is xenophobic and hates everyone including Jews, blacks, union organizers, immigrants, Communists and Communism, the mud races, homosexuals, epileptics, the mentally retarded and everyone and everything except those damn Nazis? Who? Tell me! Who represents the epitome of hatred, xenophobia and aggression against their enemies? Who? The Fascists, the Nazis and the neo-Nazis. End of story. Good night. Sleep tight.

Wow. This is very enlightening. You really explained that time well. But one thing surprised me. OK, the father was a rum runner, but I didn't know President Kennedy drank! I never heard this before. Especially that he drank like a fish. I know about the medications he took. He was on sterioids and amphetamines, I read. I don't think you mix alcohol with these drugs. Supposedly Mary Pinchot Meyer smoked dope with him and gave him an LSD trip. I find that hard to believe too. Are you sure about the drinking?

Kathy C

"You people have a mission in this world. And that mission is to kill commies for Christ!"

Kathy,

I attended a Jesuit College, and the requirements were probably similar to yours: 12 hrs Theology and at least that in Philosophy. All of my theology classes were taught by Jesuits(except one, taught by a Rabbi), and the majority of the Philosophy classes had Jesuit professors. Just to be fair, I have to say this:

I never heard anything like this at any time from anyone.

The Other Kathy

Kathy, this statement was legendary. In the late '60's not only did the Jesuits try frantically to keep women out of the college, but there was a demonstration against the Viet Nam war and the ones who were against it got beaten up by the "Hawk" students. I'm told the Jesuits just looked the other way as these kids went at it.

It was time for class and this one priest was absolutely irate about the protest. He wrote something on the blackboard and said to the students, "You people have a mission in this world." Pounding the blackboard he said, "And that mission is to kill commies for Christ!"

3 different people who went to the school at the time told me the same story. During my time, a priest said to my class, "The Jesuits should be running this school and the clergy, the country." [What happened to separation of Church and State?] "If the Jesuits were running this school certain people wouldn't be in this school [women]. I don't think we should have a lay person teaching Philosophy in a Jesuit school." And on and on. They were militant.

Kathy C

I don't think the Jesuits are in such lock step missions together.

While I had 16 years of Catholic education at St. Joe's, Camden Catholic and Dayton, the only Jesuit teacher I had at CCHS started the first political science class in a New Jersey high school (circa 1967) and I was one of his students.

It was a very difficult class, with much reading of the classics, with the entire grade dependent on each student writing a constitution for an imaginary country.

He smoked and drank and swore and made each of his students a better person, and taught me more about politics than anyone since.

And before branding all catholics fascists, I'd take a look at those priests and bishops who have been assassinated in South and Central America.

And what was the difference between the Jesuits and the order of seminarians that Oswald addressed in a speech about his experiences in the USSR, a talk that gave everyone the impression that he was a college graduate?

BK

So you're an apologist for the Catholic Church. What did you think when you heard of all the molestations of little boys by so many priests? Are people forgetting this like they're forgetting 9/11 or the OJ Simpson acquittal? None of the Popes did anything about it; including sending money to defend these priests. And the Bishops moved these priests around and said not a word about it. My personal opinion is all religions are fake and man-made. The Scientologists are also evil.

I wonder if now that the Pope has invited the Episcopalians and Anglican Churches to operate under the Roman Catholic aegis, are we getting closer to the New World Order?

Kathy C

"You people have a mission in this world. And that mission is to kill commies for Christ!"

Kathy,

I attended a Jesuit College, and the requirements were probably similar to yours: 12 hrs Theology and at least that in Philosophy. All of my theology classes were taught by Jesuits(except one, taught by a Rabbi), and the majority of the Philosophy classes had Jesuit professors. Just to be fair, I have to say this:

I never heard anything like this at any time from anyone.

The Other Kathy

Kathy, this statement was legendary. In the late '60's not only did the Jesuits try frantically to keep women out of the college, but there was a demonstration against the Viet Nam war and the ones who were against it got beaten up by the "Hawk" students. I'm told the Jesuits just looked the other way as these kids went at it.

It was time for class and this one priest was absolutely irate about the protest. He wrote something on the blackboard and said to the students, "You people have a mission in this world." Pounding the blackboard he said, "And that mission is to kill commies for Christ!"

3 different people who went to the school at the time told me the same story. During my time, a priest said to my class, "The Jesuits should be running this school and the clergy, the country." [What happened to separation of Church and State?] "If the Jesuits were running this school certain people wouldn't be in this school [women]. I don't think we should have a lay person teaching Philosophy in a Jesuit school." And on and on. They were militant.

Kathy C

Christian Anti-Communist Crusade's NEWSLETTER by Dr. Fred C. Schwarz

November 1963

THE TASTE OF VICTORY

CONCLUSION

THE TASTE OF VICTORY

The film "The Taste of Victory" is now available. It shows the part played by the Christian Anti-Communism Crusade in the support of the Indian Christian leader and publisher, George Thomas, Ph.D. and the means by which the Communist Government of Kerala was overthrown. The film is in color, splendidly produced, and is narrated by our Director of Missions, James Colbert.

The methods used to combat Communism in Kerala are described in this film, and these can be used successfully to meet the Communist threat all over the world. This film may be secured by writing to our office.

CONCLUSION

The Crusade is controversial in the minds of many. This is a matter for pride, not shame. Our Lord was most controversial during His lifetime and His human life ended when He was crucified between thieves. His disciples were renowned as those who turned the world upside down. If we follow Christ, we must expect the storm of controversy to swirl. If we are effective in exposing the true nature of Communism, it is axiomatic that we will be slandered and attacked. True Christians understand this and always seek to discover the truth and spurn insinuation and libel. The number of the supporters of the Christian Anti-Communism Crusade grows constantly. The days ahead will be full of attack, misrepresentation, and calumny, but we rejoice in the peace of mind that comes with the knowledge that we speak the truth in love and the serenity that accompanies the consciousness of the presence and the power of God.

With Christian Love,

Fred Schwarz

This is exactly the same crap I heard in a Jesuit College. These people are really scary. It was legendary. "You people have a mission in this world. And that mission is to kill commies for Christ!"

Kathy C

Oswald, the CIA, and Kennedy

by Jacob G. Hornberger

President, The Future of Freedom Foundation

October 16, 2009

by Jacob G. Hornberger

Recently by Jacob G. Hornberger: Did The CIA Have More Motive Than Oswald?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/hornberger/hornberger167.html

When Oswald was living in New Orleans in the period prior to the assassination, he got into an altercation with a pro-Castro Cuban named Carlos Bringuier while Oswald was distributing pamphlets promoting The Fair Play for Cuba Committee, a pro-Cuba organization that the CIA considered to be subversive.

As a result of that altercation, Oswald was arrested for disorderly conduct and taken to the local jail in New Orleans. While he was incarcerated, he asked to talk to a FBI agent. Lo and behold, a FBI agent named John Quigley came to the jail and visited with Oswald for an hour and a half.

Now, I ask you: How many communist sympathizers have that much influence? Indeed, how many ordinary people do you know who, after being arrested for disorderly conduct by the local police, would be able to summon a FBI agent who would come and visit them in jail?

That seems rather unusual to me. After all, the offense of disorderly conduct, especially at the local level, is as far from being a federal crime as one can get. Nonetheless, here is a FBI agent responding positively to a request by a supposed communist sympathizer jailed for the local crime of disorderly conduct and visiting with him for an hour and a half.

Another oddity is the Fair Play for Cuba pamphlets that Oswald was distributing. Some of the pamphlets had a return street address stamped on them – 544 Camp St. Yet, that was not the address of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee or even Oswald’s address. It was actually an address that housed the same building in which a 20-year veteran of the FBI was running his private detective agency – a man named Guy Banister.

Perhaps just a coincidence, but a strange one at that. But the obvious question arises: What would happen if people responded favorably to the pamphlet by sending letters to that address? How would such letters ever get to the Fair Play for Cuba Committee or to Oswald? I wonder if Oswald thought about that when he was distributing the pamphlets. Wouldn’t you think that that would matter to him?

There is another interesting aspect of the altercation that resulted in Oswald’s arrest. Carlos Bringuier, the man with whom Oswald had the altercation, was associated with a fiercely anti-Castro Cuban group named the DRE. During the House Select Committee hearings on the JFK assassination in the 1970s, the CIA called a man out of retirement named George Joannides to serve as a liaison between the CIA and the House Committee. In the 1990s, after Joannides had died, documents revealed that he had served as a CIA conduit that was funneling money into the DRE during the time of Oswald’s altercation with Bringuier. Yet, that fact had never been revealed to the House Committee or anyone else, including the Warren Commission, and no one was ever able to question Joannides about it.

Since then, the CIA has steadfastly refused to open up and disclose its Joannides files to the public. Several years ago, a former Washington Post journalist named Jefferson Morley sued the CIA seeking disclosure of the Joannides files, a suit that is still pending and which the CIA continues to fiercely oppose even today, on national-security grounds. See my article, “Appoint a Special Prosecutor in the JFK-Joannides Matter.”

Another weird aspect of this case involved a note that Oswald delivered a couple of weeks prior to the assassination to a FBI agent in Dallas named James Hosty. Immediately after Oswald was assassinated, Hosty destroyed the note. Hosty later claimed that in the note Oswald threatened Hosty for harassing Oswald’s wife.

Of course, that’s possible. And it’s also possible that the reason Hosty destroyed the note was to protect the FBI from embarrassment over having received such a note two weeks before Kennedy was assassinated and not having reported it to the Secret Service.

But how often does one see a FBI agent scrambling to destroy evidence in one of the most important murder cases in history? After all, two days after the assassination there was no way that Hosty could have been certain that Oswald wasn’t part of a conspiracy to kill the president, one that would later be prosecuted in court. Thus, Hosty had to know that despite Oswald’s death, Hosty was potentially engaging in obstruction of justice by destroying evidence that could later be pertinent in a conspiracy-to-murder case.

Finally, I think that one of the most fascinating aspects to Oswald’s post-arrest statements was his statement “I’m a patsy.” Ordinarily, when a person is denying guilt, his reaction is simply one that is limited to denying guilt, such as: “I didn’t do it. I’m innocent. They have the wrong guy.”

Oswald did more than that. He not only protested his innocence, he went a step further and suggested that someone or some people had set him up and were framing him. What would cause him to go off in that direction rather than simply claim that he was innocent of the crime?

In his book Brothers, David Talbot writes, “Robert Kennedy had one other phone conversation on November 22 that sheds light on his thinking that afternoon. He spoke to Enrique ‘Harry’ Ruiz-Williams, a Bay of Pigs veteran who was his closest associate in the Cuban exile community. Kennedy stunned his friend by telling him point-blank, ‘One of your guys did it.’”

Some 45 years after the JFK assassination, one cannot help but wonder whether Robert Kennedy was right.

October 16, 2009

Jacob Hornberger [send him mail] is founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation.

I agree with all you've said. I believe Kennedy was killed by the CIA, that "Independent" US Agency. And the Cuban Exiles and the Secret Service. Oil money financed it and the cover-up. Johnson had everything to gain, he thought. He commenced the cover-up when he had the Secret Service clean the limo Kennedy was shot in before Kennedy was even pronounced dead -- destroying the crime scene. He entrenched us in Viet Nam. "Hey, hey, LBJ, how many boys did you kill today?" No wonder he quit.

About Oswald. Are you familiar with Harvey and Lee by John Armstrong? 2 men were using the same identity. Jack Ruby killed Harvey. But Lee got away.

Here's my question to the Forum. What happened to Lee? He got on a plane at Redbird (?) Airport. From there what happened to him? This question arises out of years of my following the Donald O. Norton story. Whatever happened to Lee?

Does anyone have a theory? Something?

Kathy C

Bumped for Greg.

Greg is one of the most knowledgeable and responsible JFK assassination researches currently working on the case, and there is nothing Len Colby can do or say to change that fact.

He is only losing credibility by bothering to engage in a discussion with you, someone who is recognized as a person intent on spewing arguments and discord.

I advise Greg not to bother responding to any of your antagonisms and insults and spend the time doing what he does best.

Bill Kelly

Greg Parker was the only researcher to solve the Oxnard Call controversy -- it had nothing to do with Karyn Kupcinet as Penn Jones, Jr. maintained.

Kathy C

Wow for a minute there, I thought this was going to be about John Armstrong's long awaited confession, regarding his

actual background as a truly sympathetic White Russian Solidartist, pro-Czarist, born and bred Ukrainian supporter of the first

magnitude.

In many ways John Armstrong should have been the one to discover and expose The Suvarov Union pro-Nazi sympathizers in Argentina,

who were associated with both Lt. Gen. Pedro A. del Valle, Willoughby and Vonsiatsky, and Anastase Vonsiatsky from Thompson, Connecticut

and his band of White Russian Fascists and pro-Nazis. And Armstrong might have also discussed Spas T. Raikin's close associate Yaroslaw Stetsko

yet another Ukrainian Fascist and accused leader of the Lvov Pogrom of over 6.000 Jews in a door-to-door hunt and his wife Slava Stetsko with

the World Anti-Communist League during their exile in Munich, West Germany, but I guess that is never going to happen either.

Oh well, one can always hope, right?

I agree. I thought this would be about John Armstrong, author of Harvey and Lee -- 2 Owalds. What does he know about Lee Oswald, what happened to him? And Donald O. Norton, Ralph Geb. Is this Oswald alive or dead? Armstrong should tell us about Donald O. Norton.

Kathy Collins

Good scenario. I disagree with a few minor points, but not worth quibbling about here. The two choices Ted had are about correct, but he really lost his chance to be a Man and to simultaneously made an Monumental difference for the Nation. I do believe there were very specific threats given him at a pay phone that morning from the ferry dock, that involved him and his family. Given what happened to MM, JFK, RFK, MLK and others he knew they could make good on those threats - yet he had power and millions - if he can't fight 'them' - in the short or long term - where does that leave the rest of us?...and I think we've all see the answer to that. I realize he is but a mortal man and chose the safe route....but I can't say I agree with his decision - nor does it make him anthing but an antihero. If he didn't leave word in his will, or some writting to be released after his death [unlikely], I really find this a moral flaw....and has let the real assassins of those men and the Nation [and to some extent the World] thrive and continue - certainly never brought to Justice, except in some generally ignored research sites and books. Many during the Second World War and in lesser battles with evil faced death or death of their loved ones to fight for Freedom, Justice, Law and Rightousness. He chose to go sailing and make a modest difference in the Senate, I don't deny him....but his brothers will not rest in Peace for his innaction. History will not be so kind to him as it is being now for keeping his silence on his brother's death and his being entrapped in a political beartrap. He could have [at least] given millions to researchers secretly to work on the cases. He went sailing.

Peter, I disagree with you. I wish I knew who killed the 2 Kennedy brothers and what really happened at Chappaquiddick. Ted Kennedy could not name names. He couldn't point to the villains. If he did, someone would die. We're not talking about war heroes. We're talking about civilians. I believe John Kennedy Jr and passengers were murdered, possibly by a barometric bomb or by a lever behind the pilot that was turned to off, cutting the engine and killing them. Witnesses said they saw an explosion in the sky.

However, the Chappaquiddick incident was an accident. But there should have been an autopsy done, in my opinion. The following is a theory I read somewhere on the Internet. Maybe you'll have heard this before.

Ted Kennedy asks a woman at the party to come with him for a ride, romance in mind. Earlier, Mary Jo Kopechne, possibly not feeling well from alcohol, left the cottage and laid down in the back seat of Ted's car. Ted and the woman from the party, leave the cottage and get into his car. He takes off and notices a cop car behind him, so he turns off the road because he doesn't want to be caught with a woman, especially after drinking. He turns off the road and drives off the dangerous Chappaquiddic bridge. The two of them manage to get out of the car. They don't know Mary Jo Kopechne is in the back seat and Ted is noticably shocked when given the news the next day. Scuba divers find Mary Jo and her pocketbook. Only it turns out the pocketbook does not belong to Mary Jo. It belongs to the woman who went off the bridge with Ted and made it out safe.

This seems very logical to me. (But I am very open to theories about this.) No CIA this time. Just an accident. Many people die in travel accidents. Just trying to be fair, maybe even playing the Devil's Advocate.

Kathy C

The author, Leo Damore, wrote a bestselling book called Senatorial Privelige about Ted Kennedy and Chappaquiddick. Seven years later he shot himself as another book of his about President Kennedy was nearly finished. Is this a suspicious death?

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http://www.capecodtoday.com/blogs/index.ph...suicid?blog=161

October 4, 1995: Leo Damore commits suicide

10/04/08 · 6:00 am :: posted by CCToday

Leo J. Damore, 66, author of a book on Chappaquiddick

Also wrote "The Cape Cod Years of John Fitzgerald Kennedy"

On this day in 1995 it was reported in the New York Times that Leo J. Damore, who uncovered previously unreported information for his 1988 book, "Senatorial Privilege: The Chappaquiddick Coverup," had taken his own life on Monday at his home in Essex, Conn. He was 66. The police said that Mr. Damore fatally shot himself. His former wife, June Davison, said Mr. Damore had been despondent over their divorce last December.

Mr. Damore was working for a weekly newspaper, The Cape Cod News, in July 1969 when Senator Edward M. Kennedy's Oldsmobile plunged off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island, killing Mary Jo Kopechne, a 28-year-old Senate aide who had been attending a party with the Senator and other staff members nearby.

The incident, which is widely believed to have ended any possibility that Senator Kennedy might be elected president, has been repeatedly investigated by the national press. Mr. Damore, who knew many of the local law enforcement officials, managed to persuade several figures to give extensive interviews for the first time. For Mr. Damore, who had a reputation as a dogged, thorough investigator, obtaining the interviews was easier than having the book published.

Random House refused to publish, became best seller anyway

Random House, which gave him a $150,000 advance in 1982, rejected his manuscript in 1987, describing it as libelous and demanding the return of the advance. Mr. Damore, arguing that the book was sound and that the publisher was bowing to the Kennedy family, went to court. After a judge ruled against him, he reached a settlement with Random House and sought another publisher. Regnery Gateway, a small, conservative house, brought the book out the next year, and although it received few reviews, it immediately became a big seller.

Mr. Damore's other works include "The Cape Cod Years of John Fitzgerald Kennedy," published in 1967. At his death, Ms. Davison said, he was almost finished with another Kennedy book, about the President's affair with Mary Pinchot Meyer. Is this a suspicious death?

Kathy C

I can't believe some of the posts I'm reading. First of all, you're dealing with tampered piece of evidence in the Zapruder Film. I suggest you read The Great Zapruder Film Hoax, edited by Dr. Fetzer. Harvey Oswald, whom the police arrested, didn't shoot at anyone that day. He was the patsy, though there might have been more potential patsies elsewhere during the motorcade. I suggest you also read Harvey and Lee by John Armstrong (whom I never met, spoke to, or corresponded with).

Kathy C

I have read it. That's why I'm convinced there was no alteration. The Great Zapruder Film Hoax proves nothing and should be sold with a health warning. I slipped into a coma before I got to the end.

Look at the film itself. Youtube.com would have it. Splices in the most important footage in history. The car lurched to a stop, Greer, the SS driver, turned to see Kennedy. Kennedy got the fatal head shot from right front. When this happened Greer drove away quickly. Watch the bodies as the car stops (but isn't shown). They move forward from the suddeness of the stop. A lot has been removed from that film.

Kathy C

I didn't see any thread on this. I'm surprised they're allowing Squeaky Frome, a Manson disciple, out of prison. She attempted to kill the President, whether we liked Ford or not, mainly to attract attention to herself. I thought people like that are kept behind bars. Is she not still dangerous? Why are they letting her out now?

Kathy C