David Butler

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The text on that page is in Korean rather than Japanese I believe

Totally agree with Mark...If a thread is important and interesting enough then it will rise to the top on it's own merits

I have decided to re-open this thread early. I have read the Oswald left the Building thread and am gratified with the tone and co-operation there. It is my hope this spirit will be the norm. Robert Mady, if you wish to take the opportunity to restate your views you are welcome to do so. If you do not wish to do so, that will not be seen as a reflection. Closing this thread, for the reasons I did, was a very difficult decision. James.

For anyone who doesn't know and is interested that is Dave Powers film indeed taken from the follow up car…..Seemingly he ran out of film before they got to Dealey Plaza

The entire forum we believe David

We believe it is the end of this month Ken

If the encounter took place at the front entrance why would Baker have been suspicious to challenge someone there ? He must have known that no one shooting from the roof or upper stories would have been able to make it down to that location in time to be at the front entrance after he had parked his bike and run over ?

When I click on either My Settings or Notifications when logged in all I get is page full of Chinese/Japanese/Arabic language characters...Is thus happening for anyone else ? Happens in both Safari and Firefox.... David

As another mod I agree with Gary above....We found out about this action on John's part when he posted us a link to his "decision" thread

Well done Bill !

I'm not sure if it's just me but I don't seem to be able to get the download link to work ?

David makes an excellent point. The "best evidence" is NOT the MPI slide sets at The 6th Floor Museum, but the film that the government purchased on behalf of the people of the United States, which is stored at The National Archives. Why don't we ask the Archives to let us all examine that together in their presence? If they refuse (which they will), all we have to do is purchase a 35 mm dupe negative FROM THE ARCHIVES of what is in the Archives (the extant film), and replicate Sydney's scans. In this way there can be no doubt of the film's provenance. When there are conflicts--which now appears to be the case--they can be settled. A third generation item FROM THE ARCHIVES is more trustworthy than any film product that has been in the hands of parties with obvious bias, which, I am sorry to say, includes The 6th Floor Museum. David Mantik claims he saw the black patch (and other artifacts) in November 2009, which Tink claims are now not present. The MPI slides are NOT "best authority." The film in the Archives is the "best authority," and the next-best is any 35 mm dupe negative or positive that can be purchased from the Archives SINCE ITS PROVENANCE IS UNQUESTIONED. Which also means that the Hollywood HD scan is superior to anything in the museum. I think this is a good idea...Does anyone know what the process is for obtaining a dup negative from the National Archives ? As i'm from the UK I'm not sure how this kind of thing would work but until the hollywood 7 cough up something to look at it seems it's the only way to take a proper look ourselves....

Those are really interesting thanks Robin.... I hope they didn't shoot all their photo's and Zapruder camera footage with that little dwarf sized tripod

I've had most of the ones where my aged relative Alfred/Albert/Anybody has passed away and left me container loads of cash but todays effort is a bit different courtesy of "Agent John Edward" of the "FBI" no less - Federal Bureau Of Investigation Intelligence Field Unit J. Edgar Hoover Building 935 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW Washington , D.C. Urgent Attention: I am special Agent John Edward from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) intelligence unit; we have just intercepted (2) trunk boxes at JFK airport New York , we are on the verge of moving them to our bureau head quarters. We started monitoring and checkmating movement of consignments after the killing of Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, many people are virtually involve in sponsorship of terrorism knowingly and unknowingly since they participate in unsolicited and security unchecked transactions which sometimes the aftermath effect of unclaimed funds becomes wheel power for terrorist sponsorship. We have scanned those two trunk boxes and discovered the value is $5.7 Million Dollars and the backup document bears your name as the receiver of the money contained in the boxes and your email address is on the delivery manifest booklet plastered on the two trunk boxes , investigations / interrogation carried out on the diplomat that accompanied the boxes into the united states has it that he was to deliver this funds to your residence as payment which was due to you as unpaid lottery .Our priorities are tactically stated below. Some people have been victimizing over the years but our inception has corrected worst crime situations in and outside American Protect the United States and the rest of the world from terrorist attacks (see counter-terrorism);Protect the United States against foreign intelligence operations and espionage (see counter-intelligence); Protect the United States against cyber-based attacks and high-technology crimes (see cyber-warfare); Combat public corruption at all levels; Protect civil rights; Combat transnational/national criminal organizations and enterprises (see organized crime); Combat major white-collar crime; Combat significant violent crime; Support federal, state, local and international partners; We checked all legal documents in the boxes, and were about to release the consignments to the diplomat, when we found out that the boxes lack two very important documents Legal Clearance Certificate and Fund Ownership Certificate which as a result, the boxes was kept under security vault until you provide those required compulsory demanded due process documents According to section 229 subsection 31 of the 1991 constitution in tax payment, your consignment lacks proof of ownership certificate and legal clearance certificate from the joint team of the IRS and homeland security, and there for, you must contact us for direction and advise on how to procure the certificates, so that you can be relieved of the charges of evading tax and consignment abandonment which is a punishable offense under section 12 subsection 441 of constitution on tax evasion and unsolicited movement of consignments to any country all over the world. You are required within the next 72hours to secure those above mentioned certificates or face the legal consequence defined for such delivery infringement, to avoid interrogation and prosecution in the court of law for money laundry and sponsorship of terrorism. We have investigative jurisdiction over every crime both in and outside United States . Also, you must not contact any other bank or persons in Nigeria , the United Kingdom or any part of the world for any payment, because your payment is presently under our custody here in United States of America . Please don’t respond to any FBI message without this security code (FBI/WOR/CMM). We shall direct you on the process of who to contact after extensive investigation. Yours in service Agent John Edward, Regional Director Federal Bureau Of Investigation Intelligence Field Unit J. Edgar Hoover Building 935 Pennsylvania Avenue, Nw Washington , D.C. 20535-0001, USA

RIP Dixie.... Thanks for your contributions to the forum and elsewhere David

This is a thread on the backyard photo's please gentlemen....If you want to start another borefest on fabric folds can you please start another thread (or add to the previous thousand or so) Thanks

Then photo's are 100% genuine...But then that makes no difference as to whether LHO pulled the trigger or not as they prove nothing in themselves......

This is going more general than Elenin being an alien spaceship housing an invasion force then...... I'm fairly agnostic to the issue of life on other worlds. I think given the number of other planets around that it is possible some form of life could exist but then I haven't seen any evidence put forward as yet that convinces me that this is the case. Any alien invasion could take place anytime if such a thing were to occur but then if they are that sufficiently advanced they could presumably strike anytime rather than wait until a comet that won't even get that close appears you would have thought. It seems that every time any comet of this nature appears in recent years we have seen this exact same story and nothing has happened so far. You will just have to wait and see if this comet is any different !

The video is just a compilation of clips from around the world. Michio Kaku makes no comment on Elenin anywhere in it as far as I can see ? He appears at the start talking about Chernobyl and Fukushima and then again later on talking about the question of life on other worlds but I didn't see him discussing Elenin anywhere ?

Wow I never thought we would have a Comet Elenin thread on the EF.....I thought I had to get my tin foil hat and head for the fringe forums !

I'd add Ruth Paine

Thanks for that David, I'd like to know when the term "conspiracy theorists" first appeared in print - probably in the early 60s, but it would be interesting to know when such a class of people began to exist in the first place. I also think that, rather than the 80% who believe a conspiracy killed JFK, it would be much more worthwhile doing a psychological study of those 20% who still maintain the fantasy that a deranged lone nut killed the president, and are in historical denial, as that study would certainly tell us more about how people think and make up their minds about such things. And while there is a growing industry of mainstream media cults who make a living off of "studying" and writing about "conspiracy theorists," and I believe there is a psychosis worth studying there, I find the other subculture - the real dizinformation agents and their sponsors much more interesting, and will have Part 2 of my study on Journalists & JFK - The Real Dizinfo Agents at Dealey Plaza done soon. You will be able to read it at CTKA soon. BK Thanks Bill.... Look forward to reading your piece on CTKA..Hope you aren't worried that posting on a site like that might get you flagged as one of the subjects of the book I posted about though ! :-) I'm sure there are many games within games going on and it's interesting that several such books are appearing and also various news items about trying to control the internet..I posted a while ago about a speech by Bill Clinton about controlling the internet through a government "Ministry of Truth" but no one commented on that one...

I don't think I have seen this mentioned before on here. Anyone reading it ? I guess it looks like it could be described as being on the sceptical side :-) From 9/11 conspiracy theorists and UFO obsessives to the cult of Ayn Rand and Birther crusaders, America is suffering from an explosion in post-rationalist ideological movements. In Among the Truthers, journalist Jonathan Kay offers a thoughtful and sobering look at how social networking and Web-based video sharing have engendered a flourishing of new conspiracism. Kay details the sociological profiles of ten brands of modern conspiracists—the Failed Historian, the Mid-Life Crack-Up, the Damaged Survivor, the Campus Revolutionary, the Stoner, the Clinical Case, the Puzzle Solver, the Christian Doomsayer, the Cosmic Voyager, and the Egomaniac—in a compelling exploration of America’s departure from reason and what it means for the very future of rational discourse as the nation steps further into the 21st century. Book Description From left-wing 9/11 conspiracy theorists to right-wing Obama-hating "birthers"—a sobering, eyewitness look at how America's marketplace of ideas is fracturing into a multitude of tiny, radicalized boutiques—each peddling its own brand of paranoia Throughout most of our nation's history, the United States has been bound together by a shared worldview. But the 9/11 terrorist attacks opened a rift in the collective national psyche: Increasingly, Americans are abandoning reality and retreating to Internet-based fantasy worlds conjured into existence out of our own fears and prejudices. The most disturbing symptom of this trend is the 9/11 Truth movement, whose members believe that Bush administration officials engineered the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks as a pretext to launch wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. But these "Truthers" are merely one segment of a vast conspiracist subculture that includes many other groups: anti-Obama extremists who believe their president is actually a foreign-born Manchurian Candidate seeking to destroy the United States from within; radical alternative-medicine advocates who claim that vaccine makers and mainstream doctors are conspiring to kill large swathes of humanity; financial neo-populists who have adapted the angry message of their nineteenth-century forebears to the age of Twitter; Holocaust deniers; fluoride phobics; obsessive Islamophobes; and more. For two years journalist Jonathan Kay immersed himself in this dark subculture, attending conventions of conspiracy theorists, surfing their discussion boards, reading their websites, joining their Facebook groups, and interviewing them in their homes and offices. He discovered that while many of their theories may seem harmlessly bizarre, their proliferation has done real damage to the sense of shared reality that we rely on as a society. Kay also offers concrete steps that intelligent, culturally engaged Americans can take to reject conspiracism and help regain control of the intellectual landscape. http://www.harpercollins.com/books/Among-Truthers-Jonathan-Kay/?isbn=9780062004819

I believe he should have been able to post again by the 31st as stated in Evan's post...Maybe Evan can take a look at this when he is online as he has Administrator access....