Vince Palamara

On 5/19/2024 at 5:46 PM, Keyvan Shahrdar said:

@Vince Palamara Vince Palamara's contributions to the study of the Secret Service detail for President John F. Kennedy will be remembered throughout history. His work has secured him a place in history books that people will read for centuries, if not millennia, to come.

Thank you!

11 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

THE ultimate video: 

1 minute ago, James DiEugenio said:

16 hours for 3.5 minutes? whew.

 

Thanks, i like that line also.

Yes----at least I received 15 minutes for A COUP IN CAMELOT and 8 minutes for that UK documentary (with the original title) THE ASSASSINATION OF JFK. Apparently, Nigel edited most of my material out to make room for an entire episode of Judyth Baker (!)

Classic line!

As you are well aware from a recent post, @James DiEugenio is my favorite author and @Pat Speer is my favorite researcher. Well, Jim wrote (IMO) the greatest line ever written- from his great article The Decline and Fall of Jim Fetzer (mandatory reading):

The Decline and Fall of Jim Fetzer (kennedysandking.com)

Here it is (in bold):

“I’ve put them in their place so many times. I haven’t seen where they’ve laid a glove on me.”

–Fetzer to journalist Mike Mosedale in 2006

The above quote shows an almost astonishing lack of perspective and self-reflection. As we have seen in this relatively concise review of his public career, Jim Fetzer has had more gloves laid on him than a wealthy woman at a Gucci store in Beverly Hills."

----

Never ceases to make me laugh out loud...and so true, as well. I am in two chapters (plus) in Fetzer's 2000 book Murder in Dealey Plaza, a book that Jim DiEugenio rightfully states is Fetzer's high water mark in the JFK assassination case. I went on to meet Fetzer the next year on 8/11/2001 (yes- exactly one month before the terror attack which would change him forever in a bad way). Fetzer showed up at my door totally unexpectedly to announce that he took the liberty of getting in touch with Nigel Turner to have him film me for a new episode in 2003 of THE MEN WHO KILLED KENNEDY. About a year later (September 2002), Turner himself also showed up unannounced at my door and we went to film for over 16 hours over 2 days (in the end, I only received 3.5 minutes of air time, but it was a start and I am grateful for it [the episode went on to huge ratings, was shown 4 times, the VHS/DVD of parts 7-9 sold over 50K copies, and my episode re-aired on NEWSMAX TV several times in 2019-2020, not to mention on You Tube to this day]).

Also in 2003, Fetzer released the awful The Great Zapruder Film Hoax and it was downhill from there.

But for one brief shining moment (roughly 1998-2001), Fetzer was relatively normal.

15 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Why Dallas?  Why were SS protocols ignored there of all places.   If anyone should have known it was the city they should have had their strongest presence in place it would be the SS.  JFK was advised by some friends not to go there, if they though it dangerous would you think the SS might consider it so?

They knew LBJ and Ladybird had been accosted there in the 1960 campaign, and, that UN Ambassador Adali Stevenson had been spat upon and hit with a placard in a recent visit.  They knew Dallas Morning News owner/editor had called JFK a man on a tricycle when the US needed a man on a horse to his face in front of other owners/editors at the Whitehouse, and that he ran personal extremely derogatory editorials against the President.  They knew about the Dallas Petroleum Club and the oil depletion allowance and more.

Why a decrease in security in likely the potentially most dangerous city in the US to the President.

You can watch Vince's videos.  They did put marksmen and spotters on top of tall buildings in other parades.  They did bring in military troops to face the crowds and observe them and buildings along parade routes.  The latter was ready to go for Dallas but turned down that morning. 

Somebody at, or near the top was cooperating (with approval from above/others). 

15 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Why Dallas?  Why were SS protocols ignored there of all places.   If anyone should have known it was the city they should have had their strongest presence in place it would be the SS.  JFK was advised by some friends not to go there, if they though it dangerous would you think the SS might consider it so?

They knew LBJ and Ladybird had been accosted there in the 1960 campaign, and, that UN Ambassador Adali Stevenson had been spat upon and hit with a placard in a recent visit.  They knew Dallas Morning News owner/editor had called JFK a man on a tricycle when the US needed a man on a horse to his face in front of other owners/editors at the Whitehouse, and that he ran personal extremely derogatory editorials against the President.  They knew about the Dallas Petroleum Club and the oil depletion allowance and more.

Why a decrease in security in likely the potentially most dangerous city in the US to the President.

You can watch Vince's videos.  They did put marksmen and spotters on top of tall buildings in other parades.  They did bring in military troops to face the crowds and observe them and buildings along parade routes.  The latter was ready to go for Dallas but turned down that morning. 

Somebody at, or near the top was cooperating (with approval from above/others). 

Gerald Blaine and the Kennedy Detail - Was the Secret Service 'Stood Down' in Dallas? — Puppet Masters — Sott.net

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

So did I.  Len's show is up.

Man he has about ten guests on showing just how well regarded Wecht was.

@James DiEugenio check out the 2:13:55 mark. You are mentioned favorably

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

So did I.  Len's show is up.

Man he has about ten guests on showing just how well regarded Wecht was.

An honor to be a part of this show: Black Op Radio

5 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

I once wrote an essay on reports of Secret Service men in and around Dealey Plaza on November 22nd.

You can find a copy here, if you are interested:

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/12084-secret-service-on-the-knoll-and-beyond/

Steve Thomas

See also: 

20 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

That's a good question.  He was descended of the Orange in Ireland, a conservative who would not have liked JFK or his policies.  Then again, he was in his 60's I think, maybe slowed reactions.  I wonder if he wasn't told to slow down at a certain point.

The agent who would have driven Kennedy in Dallas if not for 10/14/63 intervening: 

1 hour ago, Cory Santos said:

https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/legacyremembers/cyril-wecht-obituary?pid=206928825

Thank you! I made my submission.

23 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:

However, Greer did slow the limo down almost to a stop, or even an actual stop, and turn to face JFK until the fatal shot had been fired....

True!

3 hours ago, Denise Hazelwood said:

Great video! Thank you!

My pleasure!

21 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

If you do not know who these people are, going counter clockwise, its Gary Aguilar, Kathy Cunningham, Bob Tanenbaum, Mike Baden, Cyril Wecht and Andy Purdy.

This is very important since it proves that the HSCA knew  they were lying in their report.

If not for the ARRB, we would not have found that out.

The ARRB was extremely important on so many levels. Their unofficial medical evidence investigation was tremendous, as well.

12 hours ago, Denise Hazelwood said:

Greer was involved only inasmuch as he idiotically “tapped the brake to test the tires” (per Clint Hill) when he thought he had a tire blowout and didn’t realize that there was a shooting taking place. But he didn’t shoot Kennedy or anything like that, as some people believe.

AGREED! I get this silly theory thrown at me all the time from non-researchers, especially on social media. Greer was suspect but he did NOT shoot JFK! 

3 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Denise,

Like I said, I don't remember where I read this, but the change took place on the evening of November 21st, and it took the DPD by surprise.

A car full of policemen armed with tommy guns would not be totally out of line in light of what happened to Charles DeGaulle at Petit-Clamart in August, 1962.

wc testimony of Will Fritz

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/fritz1.htm

Mr. BALL. On November 22, 1963, you had been told the President or before November 22, 1963, you had been told that the President was coming to Dallas?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And had you taken certain precautions for his safety?
Mr. FRITZ. Well, we had taken some precautions but those were changed. We were told in the beginning that we would be in the parade directly behind it, I don't know whether it was the second or third car, but the Vice President's car, that we would be directly behind that, and we did make preparation for that.
But at 10 o'clock the night before the parade, Chief Stevenson called me at home and told me that had been changed, and I was assigned with two of my officers to the speakers' stand at the Trade Mart.

 

Captain. Purdue Lawrence was in charge of traffic control and parade security.

He was sumoned to a meeting on the afternoon of the 21st. William Lawson of the Secret Service was meeting with Curry and the Assistant Police Chiefs. They had already been meeting before he arrived:

WC testimony of Purdue Lawrence

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/lawrence.htm

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you receive another set of instructions or orders after that?
Captain LAWRENCE. Yes; on the evening of November 21, this was the first time that I had attended any security meeting at all in regards to this motorcade. At approximately 5 p.m. I was told to report to the conference room on the third floor, and when I arrived at the conference room the deputy chiefs were in there, there were members of the Secret Service--Mr. Sorrels, Captain Gannaway, Captain Souter of radio patrol, and Capt. Glen King, deputy

chiefs, assistant chiefs, and Chief Curry, and one gentleman, who I assume was in charge of the security for the Secret Service.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When you met with the Secret Service, what do you recall that the Secret Service did discuss?
Captain LAWRENCE. I sat in on the discussion and I did not participate in any at all, and from what I heard there would be sufficient personnel inside the Trade Mart--they were discussing this, and these detectives assignments were not the ones that I was at that time primarily instructed in, so--I know that they had made some elaborate precautions, which no one discussed with me, but I don't remember all of the conversation that went on regarding that. I was particularly interested in traffic assignments and these were the ones I was listening for.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there ever any discussion that you heard about taking precautions designed to prevent some sort of assault on the President that would be more severe than simply placards, picketing, and people throwing rotten eggs and vegetables, and things like that?
Captain LAWRENCE. Not to my knowledge, other than the fact that the Secret Service man in there--when it was mentioned about these motorcycle officers alongside the Presidents car, he said, "No, these officers should be back and if any people started a rush toward the car, if there was any movement at all where the President was endangered in any way, these officers would be in a position to gun their motors and get between them and the Presidential car," and he mentioned, of course, the security and safety of the President and those words were mentioned.
Mr. GRIFFIN. But was that concept of the security and the safety of the President spelled out in any certain details?
Captain LAWRENCE. Not to my knowledge. Now, you see, I'm not familiar with .some of the things that were discussed with the other bureau commanders.

 

Now, someone who was there was Assistant Police Chief, M.Stevenson.

He submitted a combined after-action report signed by him, Charles Batchelor, and Charled L. Lumpkin. In their combined report, Stevenson wrote,

Combined After-Action Report of Assist Police Chiefs, M.W. Stevenson, Charles Batchelor and

Charles L. Lumpkin

Stevenson Ex 5053

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1138#relPageId=594

CE XXI, pp. 570-71

 

It was Lawson who nixed the idea.

Steve Thomas

Yes, Steve--Will Fritz wanted a car and so did Chief Curry. I made these points in my first book. Past motorcades used a Sheriff's car and a regular police car.

20 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

I've come to believe over the years that some agents in the Secret Service were involved in the John F. Kennedy assassination beforehand, during the assassination itself, and the cover-up afterwards.

Beforehand. 

Let's keep in mind here the true head of the Secret Service was the Secretary of the Treasury, C. Douglass Dillon, appointed by JFK.  Not a friend of his, but friends of JFK critic John D. Rockefeller and his employee Allen Dulles.  Beneath him was Chief Rowley and his assistant Paul Paterni, SS since the 1930's but OSS in WWII in Italy with Angleton.

It's been argued before over who but someone in the SS approved the venue, the Trade Mart over the Womens Building at Fair Park.  The decision determined the route, past the Texas School Book Depository.  Which when an agent whose name escapes me rode the route and rounded the corner from Main onto Houston and saw it was startled, but said nothing a day or two before.  The turns from Main onto Houston and it onto Elm violated SS protocol.  Then there is the agents on the bumper and running boards controversy, debunked by Vince Palamara.

Was the Cellar part of Beforehand?  After Wahington to San Antonio to Houston to Fort Worth was it a planned respite for some of his SS team?  They didn't serve alcohol, though the owner provided it for some guests.  A block or two from the Hotel where JFK spent his last night on earth.  

The Assassination.

Sarting at Love Field.  Motorcycle cops ordered to stay behind the rear wheels that morning.  Obviously by the DPD, but, from higher authority?  Facilitates an unobstructed frontal shot.  The order of the cars, no press truck in front of JFK's limo as per normal.  SSA in Charge Emory Roberts waving off Agent Rybka at Love Field.  After he had instructed them to not respond to any unusual actions during the parade.  Then him telling Agent Ready on the running board beside him in Dealy Plaza as he stepped off it at the sound of shots to get back on board.  As agent Greer slowed the limo way below protocol or stopped it.

The Cover Up. 

Did it start at Parkland with taking the body, or an empty casket, to prevent a required autopsy there?  It was certainly in effect when Chief Rowley ordered Inspector General Kelly to Dallas who called in Agent Moore from Seattle to convince Dr. Perry the throat wound Might be one of exit.  

Thanks so much, Ron; greatly appreciated.

11 hours ago, Denise Hazelwood said:

I contend that the “fake” SS agent on the Knoll was Lem Johns.  The Newman’s (and others) described plainclothes men with guns 2-3 cars behind the President exiting the motorcade vehicle and running up the Knoll with guns drawn. Paul Landis admitted to pointing at a (Black) man who looked suspicious to him on the stairs. Johns and Warren Taylor admitted to stepping out of their car “momentarily.” The car can be seen in the (Couch, I believe) film stopped or parked on the left side of Elm Street and speeding past motorcade bus on Stemmons Freeway. I think there was probably a 3rd agent in the middle of the rear seat of their car (the “Blond agent”) who also exited the vehicle. (Why else would they put 3 people in the front seat but only 2 in the back, crowding the driver when they didn’t need to?) I think the angents all ran up the hill after the Black man, and something happened at the top of the stairs to account for the purported “pool of blood” in that location. (Note Ricky Chism’s account of his father being tackled by police or SS as he tried to flee with the young boy.) I think that Taylor ran back down and got back in the car and then the car sped off to Parkland, passing the busses, etc. There was a report of Roy Kellerman or Emory Roberts ordering some of JFK’s protective agents to help guard LBJ, a mention in the SFM Couch interview of a SS agent asking for a phone and placing a piece of brain tissue on the desk while he used the phone (apparently told to Gary Mack by a “secretary”—I asked Stephen Fagin about it but he didn’t know anything more than that). Then there’s Oswald’s purported encounter with a “blond agent” who was asking for a phone. I also think that Johns had a good 15 minutes or maybe even more in Dealey Plaza before he got a ride to Parkland with the newsmen who got out of their cars to take pictures of the Newman family and whatever else they thought was interesting. Hill Newman later said that he was embarrassed by how long they had stayed on the ground. And Couch or whoever it was that offered Johns a ride encountered him at the top of the hill, not on the road. All covered up because it was against SS protocol to go chasing after believed shooters and leaving the protectee. The correct protocol was to “cover and evacuate.” Plus the embarrassment of whatever happened at the top of the stairs.  (1963, a Black man trying to run away from the scene, reports of racism in the SS by Abraham Bolden… We have problems with racial discrimination in today’s law enforcement, and I imagine that it was worse back then.)

Johns was adamant to me in 2004 that he was NOT the knoll agent and never left the street. See also this video:

15 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Len Osanic is putting together a two week tribute to Cyril Wecht.

This week will be Gary Aguilar, Dawna Kauffman, and me.

 

Next week I think will be David Mantik, Mike Cheeser and I think Vince. 

Big maybes are Tanenbaum and Oliver Stone.

No one does it like Black Op Radio. Thanks Len. Cyril deserves it.

 

Hi, Jim! Correct- I just wrapped up my BlackOp tribute to the great Dr. Wecht. I gave you a huge compliment in the midst of waxing on about Dr. Wecht.

20 hours ago, Cory Santos said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/very-full-life-cyril-wecht-231139989.html

Excellent! Thanks for all of these links, Cory!

23 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Thanks VInce, but do we really need three threads on this?  I mean c'mon.

Point well taken. I got carried away (as usual lol).

As I stated elsewhere, I just wrapped up a half hour speaking about Dr. Wecht for Len Osanic's tribute on BlackOp radio that should be airing soon (when he compiles other people's appearances).