Karl Kinaski

Here is a Video of Oswald's Russian-teacher in Minsk in 1960/61.

And here an interview about his experience with the the IC creature LHO in Minsk, given to RADIO FREE EUROPE in 2013. The fingerprints of intelligence are everywhere. 

Some gems of his interview regarding Oswald, quote: 

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-RFE/RL: How did you meet Lee Harvey Oswald? What was your first impression of him?

Stanislau Shushkevich: You know, contact with foreigners was forbidden back when I was doing scientific research. But I was very curious. And the party organization [at the Minsk radio factory] tasked me, a non-Party member, to work with an American. 

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There was one condition: I never met with him one on one. There was always someone else; it was Sasha Rubenchik, who had graduated from the university about four years later than me. He also worked at the radio factory. So it was the two of us who met [with Oswald] -- to keep an eye on each other, so to speak.

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 Generally, he never asked any questions. We weren't allowed to ask any questions either, about who he was or where he came from. Our task was to help him improve his Russian a little bit.

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RFE/RL: Did he speak much about his American life?

Shushkevich: Absolutely not. Not a single word. I think he had received the same recommendations: we were not allowed to ask who he was, where he came from, how he had gotten here, why he was working here -- nothing. 

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As a measure of control, Liabezin, the Party secretary in [Oswald's] workshop, inquired what subjects we covered in our lessons. I told him we were covering the usual subjects in accordance with the Soviet [English-language] curriculum: work, school, street, theater, cinema, city.

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RFE/RL: Did you only teach him Russian or was it a mutual learning process?

Shushkevich: You see, our studies were pretty basic. He tried to say something in Russian and we corrected his mistakes to make it sound like real Russian.

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RFE/RL: Could he say in Russian, "I have so many sisters or brothers"?

Shushkevich: Yes, he was able to say that.

RFE/RL: And what would he say?

Shushkevich: He didn't say anything about that. And we weren't supposed to ask. You see, you can't even imagine what it was like, following orders from the Party Committee.[ Oswald] never talked about where he had lived or how he had found himself in Europe. That was completely forbidden to talk about. 

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RFE/RL: How about his military service?

Shushkevich: Especially about that. We weren't supposed to know that he had served in the military. Sasha and I talked among ourselves, about him being a deserter and being so clever that he hadn't revealed it.

RFE/RL: So, he seemed clever enough.

Shushkevich: Well, you see, he never talked. He carried out his instructions; we carried out our instructions. I wouldn't believe it now either, if it hadn't happened to me personally.

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Shushkevich: You know, it was possible. I got the impression that he was a very calm person. He produced the impression of a hard-working man.

But he also seemed to have very strong habits that weren't suitable for studying Russian -- especially with the accents in Russian words. I would teach him to say, "Ya DOO-ma-yu" ("I think"), but he insisted on saying, "Doo-MAH-yu." We would be going over the tenses, and he kept saying, "Ya Doo-MAH-yu." You see, I simply could not get him to say, "DOO-ma-yu." Besides that, he never showed any other habits.

He never showed any emotion. His punctuality was spotless. Our lesson was always at 18:05 at the laboratory of the radio factory and he was always there on the dot.

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RFE/RL: Did he seem to be an intelligent person?

Shushkevich: He was a rather closed person and it was hard to tell how educated he was. But his knowledge of Russian was pretty decent and he could exchange views when Sasha [Rubenchik] and I started teaching him, that's for sure. We never asked him about anything else, it was forbidden.

RFE/RL: So he didn't speak about the Soviet Union?

Shushkevich: Never. 

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RFE/RL: In an essay titled "The Collective," which he wrote later, Oswald provides a highly detailed account of every aspect of Soviet living and working conditions. It's as if he had been on a research mission here. Did he ever look like a researcher to you?

Shushkevich: (Laughs) You know, if I had been asked to take him into my research team, I would have refused immediately, even though I would have been curious to work with an American. I didn't see any inclination of inquiry or creativity in him.

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RFE/RL: ()Did he ever discuss his reasons for coming to the Soviet Union?

Shushkevich: Never. Not even a hint. You see, we were categorically forbidden to ask him about that. And he never talked about anything.You see, now as I am recalling that time, I don't understand why we acted like that -- like idiots, if you will excuse me. There was an outright ban. I had Sasha. And Sasha had me. We each received individual instructions on how to work with [Oswald] and we didn't violate our instructions, assuming that we might rat each other out. () You see, I had come [to the radio factory] from a high-security facility. And in the product-design department at the radio factory we were designing devices of dual use, including military, and we couldn't talk about what we were doing in the lab, so we didn't talk to him and he didn't talk to us.

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RFE/RL: Did he attend labor union meetings or any other meetings?

Shushkevich: He worked in a different department. I worked in the product-design department and he was at the experimental shop. Those were two different institutions. ()  I worked at the factory a little more than a year ()

RFE/RL: How did he address you? 

Shushkevich: He addressed us very simply. He said "Sasha" to Rubenchik and "Stanislau" to me.

RFE/RL: What was your reaction when you learned that Lee Harvey Oswald was accused of assassinating U.S. President John F. Kennedy?

Shushkevich: I remember that day very well. I was already working at a university at that time. As a faculty member I worked with Factory No. 32, a restricted-access radio-electronic factory, where we had our metalwork done. 

It was during lunch break that the announcement was made on factory radio. It was 1963. I couldn't believe it. It seemed like I had just had contact with [Oswald], in 1961. It was unbelievable. They said nothing about Minsk. They said "Lee Harvey Oswald." At first I thought it was someone else. I knew a few people named Lee, by the way. Then they said it again. I listened more closely and I thought, "Well, I'm in a pickle now. Who knows what I could be accused of?"

I walk out to the street. I should say that we had many Jewish people at the design bureau and they were all good jokers. Many of them had just been thrown out of the Molotov factory.

And so this guy came up to me and said, "Why are you still walking on the street? Liabezin has been arrested, that other guy has been arrested. And you're still walking. Good for you," he said.

"I don't get you, are you with the KGB or are you a physicist?" -- such jokes came from everyone you knew. Everyone at the factory knew that we had taught [Oswald]. The product-design department was a three-story building and everyone knew that we taught [Oswald]. And everyone had to make fun of me. At the [May Day] demonstration I couldn't make a move without being told, "How did they let you come here?" But there were never any questions from the official structures.

RFE/RL: Did you have any contact with the security services during your time with Oswald or after?

Shushkevich: No. At the factory, it was [Party Secretary] Liabezin who served as the instrument of security services. He was the only person I talked to about this subject.

RFE/RL: So nobody ever spoke to you about Oswald?

Shushkevich: Nobody. Never. Neither before nor after.

However, later, when I became chairman of the Belarusian Supreme Soviet, [U.S. novelist and author of "Oswald's Tale: An American Mystery"] Norman Mailer came and asked if he could look at [Oswald's] personal file. I said, "Before the end of the day tomorrow, I will answer your question."

After he left, I called [Eduard] Shirkovsky, chairman of the KGB. I asked if it could hurt our interests. He said, "Of course not. Let him look at it, right now." That was his answer. Mailer had a big team. They wrote their book collectively. His representative, accompanied by a very nice lady, came back to me, and I said they could familiarize themselves [with Oswald's file].

RFE/RL: A lot has been written and filmed over the past 50 years about Lee Harvey Oswald. As someone who was in direct contact with him, do you ever feel that you know something that has been untold to the world about him?

Shushkevich: You know, a lot more has been said about him than I could even imagine. To speak more about him, well, first of all, I don't even want to.

In fact, I don't think it was his work.

I went to Dallas exactly for that, on my own initiative. It was when I went to the Center for Belarusian Studies in Winfield, 40 miles [65 kilometers] from Wichita,...Kansas. The college director lent us his car, and my wife and I drove down to Dallas. We drove around the whole city, and we looked at the street where it happened.

And the only thought I had there was that the chiefs of the U.S. president's security services were simply idiots or that it was a plot directed at Kennedy, a plot in line with the traditions of Dallas itself. We went to some museums in Dallas and looked what the [Ku Klux Klan] had done there, how they killed blacks and Catholics. It was a gangster center, in our terms, to my understanding. I hope the people of Dallas and Texas will forgive me. I had no other feeling.

Therefore, it is my absolute conviction that they found a passive, calm, compliant boy, and used him as the guilty one. As for the conclusions of the Warren Commission, I don't believe them one bit. I have studied them and I don't think [the assassination] was the work of my student.

 

@Denise Hazelwood:

Garrison: ON THE TRAIL OF THE ASSASSINS. quote:
 

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 But the most preposterous incident (...) took place one
afternoon in early November of 1963.
A young man arrived at the Downtown Lincoln Mercury dealership—
which happened to be just across the way from where the assassination
soon would occur. He announced his intention of test driving and buying a
car. The salesman, Albert Bogard, showed him a red Mercury Comet, and
in short order they were cruising along the Stemmons Freeway, the
customer at the wheel. After they got on the freeway, he revved up the
speed to 60 and 70 miles an hour and began driving like Mario Andretti at
the Indianapolis 500. He had the car taking even the tightest turns at high
speed. As the salesman afterwards told his boss, “He drove like a madman.”
When they got back, the customer seemed unhappy upon learning that
he would have to pay at least a $200 or $300 down payment to drive out
with the brand new car. Eugene Wilson, another salesman, heard him say,
“Maybe I’m going to have to go back to Russia to buy a car.” The man then
told Bogard that he would be back to get the car in a couple of weeks, that
he had some money coming in. He gave his name as “Lee Oswald,” and
Bogard wrote it on the back of one of his business cards. Several weeks
later Bogard heard on the showroom radio that Lee Oswald had been
arrested. He pulled out “Oswald’s” card, ripped it up, and threw it away.
“He won’t want to buy a car,” he said.
Bogard remembered the speed of the ride on the freeway better than he
remembered the appearance of the customer. His response was: “I can tell
you the truth, I have already forgotten what he actually looked like. I
identified him as in pictures, but just to tell you what he looked like that
day, I don’t remember.”
Frank Pizzo, for whom Bogard worked, was much more positive in his
recollection. The Warren Commission counsel, Albert Jenner, after

unsuccessfully showing him a number of pictures of Lee Oswald with other
men, finally showed him a photograph of Oswald taken on November 22
after his arrest.* Here is the dialogue which followed:
MR. PIZZO: He certainly don’t [sic] have the hairline I was describing ….
MR. JENNER: This was taken the afternoon of November 22 in the Dallas City Police
showup.
(Discussion off the record).
(Discussion between Counsel Jenner and Counsel Davis and the witness, Mr. Pizzo, off the
record).
MR. JENNER: Back on the record. You recall him as being more in the neighborhood of
what—5 feet 8 inches, 5 feet 7 inches, more or less, or more or less?
MR. PIZZO: Between 5 feet 7 inches and 5 foot 8½ inches with sort of a round forehead
and that V shape is the thing that I remember the most.
MR. JENNER: A widow’s peak?
MR. PIZZO: Yes, but very weak.
MR. JENNER: Very weak.
MR. PIZZO: Very weak—not the bushy type that I see in the picture. Well, if I’m not sure
—then—I have to say that he is not the one—if you want the absolute statement.
So much, it would seem, for any likelihood of Lee Oswald himself
having been the wild driver at Downtown Lincoln Mercury. Oswald was
five feet eleven inches tall.
Eugene Wilson, a senior car salesman at the dealership, disagreed even
with Frank Pizzo’s recollection of the young man’s short stature. Wilson
said that the young drag racer had been well under “5 feet 7 to 5 foot 8½
inches tall.” Wilson, who was five feet eight, said that the man who called
himself Oswald was “only about five feet tall.”
While the Commission simply bypassed Frank Pizzo’s precise
testimony, it initially did not present Eugene Wilson’s testimony at all.
Consequently Wilson is not listed in the index to the hearings. Later, just as
the Commission’s report was about to go to press, Wilson was discovered,
presumably by accident. The belated F.B.I. interview of Wilson, then a car
salesman with another Mercury dealership, clearly bothered the
interviewing agents. It not only eliminated the possibility of Oswald being
the young visitor but underscored the probability of a pretender using
Oswald’s name. The F.B.I. report emphasized that Wilson had a problem
with his vision because of glaucoma. However, he still was selling

automobiles, and it was fair to conclude that he could tell when another
man was a good deal shorter than he.
The Commission loftily stated that it had carefully evaluated the
Downtown Lincoln Mercury incident “because it suggests the possibility
that Oswald might have been a proficient automobile driver and, during
November 1963, might have been expecting funds with which to purchase a
car.” Had the Commission said that it had carefully evaluated the incident
because it indicated that Oswald had shrunk considerably in height, this
would, at least, have been more relevant.

 

BTW. Walker himself concluded that Oswald did not shoot at him. 

Quote, Jim Marrs (In the Afterword of Judyth Bakers book ME AND LEE

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"In  the  fall  of  1964,  just  a  month  after  the  release  of  the  Warren
Commission Report, I  (Jim Marrs) interviewed retired Army General Edwin Walker in
his Dallas home where he told me that Oswald knew Jack Ruby and that the
Warren Commission would have to start over on that one fact alone. Walker
also said that the bullet fired through his window on April 10, 1963 was a
30.06 caliber and could not have come from Oswald’s 6.5 mm rifle.

 

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And ole Ruth is still telling her audience that Oswald shot at Walker. 

 

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On 3/9/2024 at 4:59 AM, Karl Kinaski said:

Just saw the German version: The docu gives the impression that an intact bullet ended up in Connallys thigh which isn't true.  Just several small fragments of metal ended up in Connallys thigh and remained there till he died in 1993. 

 

 

 

Jom De Eugenio said: 

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Karl:

How can anyone ignore Wecht's explication of how Tomlinson found the Magic Bullet--or whatever it was-- on the gurney?

For many people that was a highlight of the film.

 

@ Jim DiEugenio

    I am fine with the explanation of Wecht. What I mean is: The computer-animations only shows the bizarre WC-version of an intact bullet entering Connallys thigh. Twice. IMO there should have been an animation of the true trajectory and entering of the "Connally only" bullet and it's splintering when it crushed his rip and bones of his arm with some minor fragments of it ending up in his thigh. 

Just saw the German version: The docu gives the impression that an intact bullet ended up in Connallys thigh which isn't true.  Just several small fragments of metal ended up in Connallys thigh and remained there till he died in 1993. 

@Sandy Larsen 

Yes. I would translate it in the same way ...  this book was related to a TV series about Vietnam back then ... I do not know if Salinger said this words on camera and if this part of his interview was used in the TV series. I am sure, his words were taped. 

@John Kowalski: Maybe there where such projects. But not in this case. No second mother no second kid Oswald involved.

Ignoring Robert Oswald first hand witness account, Armstrong claims in his book "Harvey and Lee", that neither Oswald nor his brother where in contact with the  Marguerite at Bristol Road 3006, who suffered a work related injury on Dec. 5th 1958, BECAUSE THIS LADY WAS NOT THEIR MOTHER. 

Now  ... some quotes of Robert Oswalds 1967 book LEE, A PORTRAIT OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD BY HIS BROTHER which Armstrong ignores completely to substitute the real and only Marguerite Oswald living at Bristol Road 3006 in Nov/Dec 1958  with a Marguerite Clone-( IMO  nothing but a figment of Armstrongs imagination) which Armstrong claims was NOT Roberts and Lee's mother. 

Quote, Robert Oswald, "LEE, PORTROAT OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD BY HIS BROTHER (The words in brackets are mine.)
 

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 On September 14 (1958) he (his brother Lee Harvey Oswald)  sailed with his unit for the South China Sea area. They sailed around the islands for two weeks, reaching Ping Tung, North Taiwan, on September 30 and returning to the base at Atsugi on October 5. The next day he was transferred out of the unit and put on general duty for a month before returning to Stateside duty. 
He sailed for home on November 2 aboard the USNS Barrett and docked in San Francisco on the 15th. Four days later he 
was given a 30-day leave. 

He came to Fort Worth by bus, as I remember it. He stayed with Mother at her apartment (At 3006 Bristol Road), but he spent a lot of time with us at our house, 7313 Davenport Street. We went out to the farm at least twice and did a little hunting for squirrels and rabbits with our .22 rifles. 

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He (Lee Oswald) had heard from Mother that she had been injured (...) while working at the candy counter of the Fair Ridglea store in Fort Worth. She had reached for a large glass jar of candy on a shelf above her head and the jar slipped, striking her across the nose as it fell. 

Vada and I (and obviously Lee who stayed with his mother, but spent most of his spare time with his brother Robert and his wife Vada) heard about the accident almost as soon as it happened, though we had been out of touch with Mother for at least six months. We did know that she was working at the Fair store, but only because Vada had been shopping in the store one day and saw her at the candy counter. There had been no visits or telephone calls. We had been keeping our distance. 

Then, the day of her accident, she telephoned us to say that she was disabled and could not continue working. After that she called Vada often, just to talk, but she never called me at the office.

One day, several weeks after the accident, I saw (his very same)Mother waiting for a bus, so I stopped and picked her up. At that time, she told me she had been to three or four doctors for X-rays but she couldn’t get any satisfaction out of any of them. They all said there was nothing wrong with her. She said, “I know there is.” Her nose looked all right to me, so I thought maybe she was exaggerating the seriousness of the injury in the hope of collecting money from the company which insured the Fair store against such claims. 

 

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Ignoring this first hand account, guess what Armstrong claims about that month of 19th Nov. to 22. Dec. 1958, when Lee Harvey Oswald was in Fort Worth and, quote Robert Oswald: came to Fort Worth by bus, as I remember it. He stayed with Mother at her apartment (At 3006 Bristol Road), but he spent a lot of time with us at our house, 7313 Davenport Street.

Armstrong claims, 
quote HARVEY AND LEE:
 

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While Lee Oswald was on leave (November 19 to December 22) in Fort Worth his  whereabouts remain unknown, except for his short visit with  Robert  Oswald. Lee did not visit the short, dumpy, heavy-set "Marguerite Oswald" imposter, who was work­ing at the Fair Ridglea Department Store and residing at 3006 Bristol Road.98 She was working for the King Candy Company and operated a booth in the Fair Ridglea Depart­ment  store  selling  candy.  On  December 5,  1958  "Marguerite,"  who  worked alone, claimed to have suffered a work-related injury
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Robert Oswald had been living at 7313 Davenport in Fort Worth since April23, 1957, yet there is no indication that "Marguerite" ever contacted Robert to inform him of her  "accident"  nor did she receive a visit, financial aid, assistance, or any  help from Robert.  Nor is there  any  indication  that  Lee   ever  visited  the  short,  dumpy, heavy-set "Marguerite Oswald" imposter at any  time during his military leaves.

 Why should Lee or Robert  Oswald visit or help  the short , dumpy, heavy­ set  "Marguerite  Oswald. P"  This woman was not their mother. 

 

Aha ...  NOT THEIR MOTHER. Now again, read what Robert Oswald writes about that time in Fort Worth Nov 19 to Dec 22. 1958.

 See how Armstrong's TWO MARGUERITES FAIRY TALE implodes? Everybody who takes Armstrong's Two Ossis two Marguerites scenario serious is IMO a victim of a crazy conspiracy theory designed to cover the real conspiracy.   

KK

First: I made an error regarding the day Kennedy said this Salinger: Their last talk was 7h30 pm on 19. November 1963, therefore it was four days before the assassination ...  sry about that. 

 The book (Language is German)is called

APOKALYPSE VIETNAM, was published by in 2000 by Rowohlt Taschenbuch( paperback) Verlag. (GmbH Reinbeck bei Hamburg).

Printed in Germany 

ISBN  3 499 61 67 8 

It contains a timeline of the Vietnam war and a lot of interviews of the participants of both sides: Vo Nguyen Giap, Ngu Dinh Phuong, Thich Tam Duyen, Roger Hilsman, Helie de Saint Marc, Walt Whitman Rostow, Alexander Haig, Barry Zorthinan and Pierre Salinger to name just a few. 

The Salinger quote appears on page  95. In German it reads: (So everybody is free to translate it back as he think it is appropriate.)

Quote, Pierre Salinger page 95

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 "Im November 1963 schickte mich Kennedy nach Tokio, um dort seinen in sechs Wochen vorgesehenen Besuch vorzubereiten. Er gab mir die Worte mit auf den Weg. "Ich werde in einen Dialog mit den Nordvietnam eintreten und klarmachen, dass es keinen Krieg geben wird." Am 22. November startete meine Maschine( from Honolulu) -- drei Stunden später erhielt ich die Nachricht, dass Kennedy ermordet worden war. "

The crux of the matter is: All those interviews were conducted by the german television station "mdr."  The tape with the Salinger quote must exist in their archives.   

Here is the book.

No?

@Michael Griffith

 Well ... Kennedy said that to Salinger four days before he was killed  ... I can provide a picture of the book which contains that quote and a picture of the site where this quote appears ... if you want ... 

The anti-Castro Cubans involved in the JFKA were fooled: They all thought killing Kennedy would lead to a Cuban war. Instead the Vietnam war was staged. 

According  to Pierre Salinger in an interview he  (Salinger)gave to the german television Kennedy said to him (Salinger) four days before his assassination: "I will enter peace talks with the north (of Vietnam), and  make clear that there will be no war"
 

KK

There is a possibility that Whaley never said Neches ...  that he always said Neely and some Warren commission guy substituted Neely with Neches to muddy the water ... 

I know this forum has buried Judyth Baker despite the fact that many men came here to defend her.  Jim DiEugenio seems the main undertaker. It was him who convinced Oliver Stone not to put her story into his Docu- movie.  I would like to know what DiEugenio's arguments were to portray Judyth Baker as a psycho... maybe he can provide some smalltalk he did with Stone about Judyth Baker ...  

KK

  If one believe the Judyth Baker stuff, (which I do ...  like Stone, Haslam, Fetzer) to name just some, then Oswald would have had a lot to say: About a New Orleans Plot to kill Castro with a bioweapon/cancer. 

This was one reason why Oswald had to die cost it what it will. It was a Machiavellian move to kill a person for being involved in a plot to kill Castro and make him the lone nut  posterboy to cover the brutal assassination of JFK which multiple shooters involved ... 

IMO all in all Oswal's double life was too complex to put it in some last words ... If the mysterious Oliver Hardy which was the only official person who was allowed to be in the operating room to watch Oswald's last moments was indeed William King Harvey, then Oswald was closely watched by his creators till his terminal breath, as he was watched from the start, when in 1955 this Marine recruiter came to the home of Oswald's in New Orleans. 

Like the life of a boy group, IMO Lee Oswald's life was pre planned on a drawing board. 

 I wonder to which agent the thought first occurred," this boy could be a future patsy for some big thing ..." ( ... killing Kennedy or Nixon depending on the outcome of the 1960 presidential election ...)

KK

@Greg Doudna said:  

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Please, be more careful about spreading smearing of innocent persons.

 ...for example Ruth Paine you want to say, I guess ...

 The only innocent person smeared here (and by Wikipedia) and in the US for over 60 years is Lee Oswald. For example in 2023 by the ninety year old Ruth Paine by connecting Oswald to the Walker shooting. 

There is much more to the Walker incident than the "Oswald did it squad" can digest. Quote, "Our Lady of the Warren Commission: Part 2/2", Kennedy and King, by Johnny Cairns: 

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April 8th, 1963.
Between 9:00-9:30pm on April 8th, 1963, Robert Surrey, a disciple of General Walker’s, was proceeding up Avondale Avenueto the house at 4011, Turtle Creek Boulevard. It was Surrey’s intention to enter the General’s property via the alleyway entrance. However, just prior to turning off Avondale, Mr. Surrey, “Observed a 1963 dark brown or maroon, four door Ford, parked on Avondale with two men sitting in it.” Surrey decided to avoid taking the alley, instead continuing around to block the car-park near the Mormon Church. Surrey observed the two men, “Get out of the car, walk up the alley and onto the Walker property and look into the windows of the Walker house.” At this point Surrey went to their automobile, where he checked the rear of the car, and observed there was no license plate. He then opened the door and looked into the car and opened the glove compartment. He observed nothing in the car or glove compartment which would help identify the occupants. He then went back to his car and drove to a position where he could observe the 1963 Ford leave.
 Surrey testified to the Commission regarding the strange behavior of these two individuals...

Robert Surrey.“Well, the gist of the matter is that two nights before the assassination attempt, I saw two men around the house peeking in windows and so forth, and reported this to the general the following morning, and he, in turn, reported it to the police on Tuesday, and it was Wednesday night that he was shot at. So that is really the gist of the whole thing.

”Surrey told the FBI that, “He had never seen either of these two men before or since this incident, and (believed) neither of these two men was identical with Lee Harvey Oswald.

(Surrey) “Described one of the men as a white male, in his 30s, about 5’10” to 6’ tall and weighing about 190 pounds. (Surrey) described the second individual as a white male, in his 30’s, 5’10” to 6’ tall, and weighing about 160 pounds. Both men were well dressed in suites, dress shirts and ties.FBI 105-82555 Oswald HQ File, Section 186 (maryferrell.org)

 

The car Surrey was inspecting was a "sterilized car." 

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Sterilizing a car is a common practice in intelligence and counterintelligence operations to ensure that sensitive information or clandestine activities remain protected from interception or surveillance by adversaries. This process may involve electronic sweeps, physical inspections, and other counter-surveillance measures to detect and neutralize any potential threats to the vehicle's security.

 

What CHAT GPT don't say is: Putting off it's licence plates and keeping the car empty of any stuff which could contain info or could be of forensic value is another way to sterilize a car. 

 The two men and their sterilized car which Surrey observed where obviously part of an intelligence operation. At least no amateurs were around Walker's house two days before the shooting. 

KK

@Greg Doudna 

  I gave a Washington Post account  of Scattergood the birthright friend of Ruth Paine and you gave what?    Please, tell us, where the article you posted appeared. "Friends Journal"? What is it? 
KK

Don't know if this is common knowledge. Ruth Pain had a birthright friend Margaret Scattergood. (A birthright friend is a person whose parents registered them as a Quaker at birth. ). acc. to a user-comment under the YT Video: "An Evening With Ruth Paine on Marina and Lee Harvey Oswald" 

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@stevenuanna4747
4 days ago
Ruth, at 54:45 you stopped at the church in Birmingham where the the 4 little girls were killed? That’s nice, Quakers are often at the fore front of black civil rights, labor movements and women’s suffrage. That allows them intimate access to the movements. My question to you is have you ever been to Wild Bill Donovan’s or the Dulles brothers homes in Georgetown? Or to 23rd and E Street NW Washington., Navy Hill? The OSS and later CIA headquarters. Has your sister Sylvia Hyde Hoke or your father? The woman that the CIA allowed to live in the mansion at CIA Headquarters at Langley, Margaret Scattergood, she was a “Birthright Friend” did you know her? Are you a”Birthright Friend”? I’m just wondering.

A quick search showed me that this Lady Scattergood has written CIA all over her face.

Note: Ruth Paine was working for IC's "sanctuary movement" in the eighties of the last century in Central America. Scattergood and (maybe) Ruth Paine was a  birthright friend and both were involved in that movement it seems. 

Quote from the article linked above:

@Keven Hofeling

Maybe I was not clear enough.  

By 16mm I was referring to the unslit double 8mm  (2X8 mmm) original film, which contained a home movie and the assassination scene on one moviestrip ... Brugioni only received the assassination scene ... half of the "original" at best ... "original" I put in quotation marks because it is only half of the movie-strip taken out of Zapruders camera in Dallas ...  copy or half-original: Brugioni worked with an untampered film ... that is what counts IMO ...

KK

@Keven Hofeling

 From The Doug Horne-Brugioni Interview ... 

When asked by Horne if Brugioni thought he had an original home movie, Brugioni said yes, but offered two rather vague answers for that assertion:

He thought he had the original because of two reasons, quote:

One:The fact that the Secret Service was bringing it in and the second thing, when I looked at it was not processed in a typical commercial fashion it wasn't in a box or little box or anything like that (...) the film was controlled by the Secret Service all the time it was there. 

But as I said: It doesn't matter if original or copy  since the movie Brugioni was working with at saturday night  was unaltered.

Brugioni: I ve never seen that film like the night that I looked at it. (Unaltered original or unaltered copy).

That I believe.  Because he saw an unaltered version nobody of us ever saw down to the present day. Whether he saw that unaltered version in form of the original or as a copy ... is of not much importance IMO.

  Since Brugioni received an 8mm film it hardly could have been the original which was a 16mm double Film ... so somebody worked on that film and slit it prior Brugioni received it  Maybe he received half of  the 16mm original ... or a copy. (The original could have been duplicated at TIME Chicago). The crux is: the film Brugioni received was unaltered whether it was a copy or not ... why? There was no time to tamper with it. 

@Michael Kalin said:

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 Did it ever occur to anybody that the honking squad card at the rooming house was driven by Mentzel? He was known to be searching for Oswald in the vicinity of Zangs at this time, prior to a dispatch to an automobile accident.

Which would be a harmless explanation and good fairy tale to cover the possibility that Oswald maybe was driven to the Texas Theater by a fake squad car. (If I remember correctly they never figured out the correct squad car number...)

I like the following scenario: Maybe ... Oswald left Whaleys Taxi at Neely. He went to his contact at Nelly or Elsbeth Street (were he and Marina lived a couple of month) expecting that he would be driven to Redbird airport and to Mexico. Instead the manipulation of Oswald entered the last stage: The plotters told him that planes had changed provided him with a pistol and ordered him to go back to Beckley Street and wait for the honk signal of a fake squad car, which would put him to Texas Theater to met a contact there ... that would match with Burroughs observation that Oswald entered the Texas Theater around 1 o'clock. Without a car he could not make it. 

But there was no contact for Oswald in the Texas Theater. Instead ... 

IMO all you have to know about the tampering with the Z-film is in this interview with Doug Horne.

To understand that the JFKA misinfo squad is well and alive watch this short cut where somebody took a little piece out of the Douglas Horn video above and turned it against him screaming: DINO BRUGIONI INVALIDATES DOUG HORNE'S ZAPRUDER FILM ALTERATION CLAIM ...

One comment to this cheap attempt of misinfo reads, quote:

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@rogergriffin9893

vor 5 Monaten

Why are you altering the actual interview? And why am I having trouble finding it on YouTube all of a sudden?

 

Another two cents:  Did it ever occur to anybody that Oswald could have been driven from Beckley 1026 to the Texas Theater by the never identified squad car which honked twice outside his rooming house when he was there for a short time? It would fit with Butch Burroughs statement that Oswald entered the Theater around 1 o'clock.  (Some squad cars of the Dallas Police were sold in 1963 if I remember correctly ... and maybe bought by the plotters ?)

This whole Neches-street thing could be an intentional error of the Warren guys just like Vickie Adams "seeing" Lovelady and Shelley on the first floor ... since Whaley corrected himself I don't see the point to discuss this topic ...