James Richards

James,

I'm not sure the case can be made that LHO was subjected to MKULTRA style LSD experiments at this time -but the possibility certainly exists. Dr. Rivera had foreknowledge of the assassination and slipped Adele LSD. He also knew LHO and had his future phone number in New Orleans. Coincidence? Hardly.

Gottlieb was in charge of TSS, they were in the business of assassination and termination. That there is a connection to LHO should come as a surprise to no one.

I think it's likely that the "Harvey and Lee Project" was a 1950's MKULTRA mission. Consider brother Robert's notebook -heroics, drugs.

Gottlieb and Lashbrook should have both been tried for Murder One and spent the rest of their days on death row. No one should be above the law. Frank Olson and his family are owed a lot more than the BS they've gotten so far. (Chris Newton)

Thanks, Chris. I appreciate the reply. The Rivera incident is curious to say the least.

James

Thanks for the review--I was a bit sorry that I forgot to tape it but now I don't mind. Was it a History Channel production? If so, it ranks alongside a terrible doco they produced recently which virtually blamed Kennedy for the Cuban Missile Crisis, a "reckless game of brinkmanship", according to the narration. (Mark Stapleton)

Mark,

I didn't pay a great amount of attention to the credits but I do believe it was an A & E Production.

BTW, next month there is a first run documentary on the History Channel about Clay Shaw and his trial. It is part of the'False Witness' series so I'm not sure I like the sound of that already.

Also on the 1st of June, the Discovery Channel is running a new documentary about the assassination of Robert Kennedy.

FWIW.

James

There's an hour of my time I will never get back. Standard stuff. Posner was wheeled out, Ruby was portrayed as a simple character looking for his 15 minutes and conspiracy themes were not seriously looked at.

To quote Mark Stapleton, "Some of these docos are not what they're cracked up to be."

Add this one to the list, Mark.

James

Robin,

Sorry, I attached the wrong image, you having already included that particular one in your earlier posting. For some reason I can't get the right image to attach.

I'll try to send it privately.

James

Here's another rebuild image to go with the original one Robin posted. I find the complete bodywork patch job curious to say the least.

James

It's a shame the picture is in black and white, if it was in color, I might be able to help a little based on the color of the man's lapel pin.

The plainclothes Dallas Police were assigned beige pins. (Steve Thomas)

Thanks, Steve.

My first thoughts were that this guy might be a cop. If he was a member of the DPD, then given the man's age, one may conclude he held a senior position which would make him easier to identify.

BTW, in the uncropped version of the image, Rufus Youngblood leads both men.

The following comparison suggests a very similar profile even though there is some years difference in the images used.

Thanks to all members who have responded.

James

So what is the word on Pash? (Shanet Clark)

Hi Shanet,

In case you haven't read it, here is some background on Pash.

http://www.haigerloch.de/stadt/keller_englisch/allison.htm

James

I've been doing some research along those lines. I think the link to Gottlieb travels right through Dr. Jose Rivera to H. Warner Kloepfer and then Ruth Paine and LHO. I'm still convinced that there's a Gottlieb/Rivera connection when I consider Adele Edison's account of events prior to Nov. 63. Rivera was in Gottlieb's employ. (Chris Newton)

Thanks, Chris. Interesting indeed.

Do you give the concept that LHO was subject to mind control drugs any credibility at all?

James

Given the recent discussions regarding Boris Pash, I figured it was time to post the following. I have held off as I have been trying to positively identify the man in question but so far no luck. If anyone knows who it is, I would appreciate the information.

Again, this comparison is more of a curiosity as the image is not of a quality to determine anything positive.

As an aside, does anyone know what time LBJ departed Parkland?

James

James,

The link below refers to the book Journey Into Madness: The True Story of Secret CIA Mind Control and Medical Abuse by Gordon Thomas (Bantam Books, New York, 1989) regarding the “mind-control and torture experiments of Pash and Gottlieb.”

The link also cites a reference to the work of the “Health Alteration Committee” in the book Dulles by Leonard Mosley. The link also refers to the death of Frank Olsen.

http://www.subversiveelement.com/firefromsky27.html

Ron

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Thanks, Ron.

I seem to remember now that's where I originally read it. I shouldn't have been so lazy and had a Google around before asking the question.

Cheers,

James

Thanks, Steve.

Have you, or any other forum member, ever come across information which details a relationship between Boris Pash and Sidney Gottlieb, and their association with the Health Alteration Committee? Pash allegedly ordered the assassination of Anthrax specialist Frank Olsen.

I remember reading somewhere that if William Harvey was 007, then Pash was 001.

James

Don't forget to check out "The Old Boys", and then look into the private Intel group known as "The Pond" [one of Mary Ferrell's favorites]. (Gerry Hemming)

Gerry,

Was that the unit run by John Grombach?

James

Thanks, Robin.

Yes, I wonder why Joseph Gambino was blanked out.

Anyway, it seemed Frattiano liked to be seen with celebrities. Here he is with Dean Martin. I don't know who the woman is.

Sorry about the poor quality.

James

That's not the photo I referred to. The photo is on p. 495 of the book Pictures of the Pain. I would post it but I don't have a scanner. (Ron Ecker)

Is this the one you refer to, Ron? I take it the possible Lansdale figure is the man on the far left?

James

Just to throw another comparison into the mix, the Dealey Plaza man does appear to have a similar stance/gait to Lansdale (on the left). There also seems to be strong similarities in body shape.

FWIW.

James

The scenario is even more curious when viewed in context below. Now, if the police are toting shotguns (albeit quite casually) and escorting these three characters, would Joe Pedestrian put himself in such close proximity to this motley crew, trapped and confined between these non-cuffed arrestees and a wall/fence? I would think most people would give them a wide berth. And most people would not place themselves in what appears to be a trapped position. Not unless that person KNEW the detainees and knew he would be in no danger. (Greg Wagner)

Hi Greg,

This is indeed a curious and rarely considered point. Thanks for your thoughts.

Hi Ron,

I do take your points very seriously and I am in general agreement. Call me a cynic, but something just doesn't add up here. I have swayed back and forth on this issue over the years and I just can't find any solid ground to take a stance.

Frustrating to say the least.

James

I post these images below as a curiosity only.

The first image shows Sinatra with Frankie Fratto (3rd from left peeking over the woman's head).

The second image shows Sinatra with Carlo Gambino (2nd from the right), Jimmy Frattiano (far right) and Richard Fusco (kneeling), all Mob figures. I don't know who the other men are.

James

Given the time frame and what seems like a very poor escape plan, I agree that logic suggests the Tramps are innocent of being connected to the assassination.

Having said that, there is one sticking point. Fletcher Prouty and Victor Krulak have identified a man in one of the tramp photographs as being Ed Lansdale (two men who would know).

Now if this is Lansdale, then that surely sheds a new light on things. If it is not Lansdale then we have another excellent look-a-like present in Dealey Plaza. Add that frustrating aspect to two of the Tramps themselves being excellent look-a-likes to men who feature heavily in assassination literature, and I for one am not quite ready to put this one to bed.

FWIW.

James

Greetings James!

I don't think I've seen it, but here is the description of a program on the HC over here:

Saturday, May 21 @ 7pm ET/PT

On November 24, 1963, a stunned America struggled to accept the assassination of President John F. Kennedy two days earlier. As tens of millions stared at their televisions that Sunday morning, they witnessed TV's first live murder--the killing of assassination suspect Lee Harvey Oswald by Dallas strip-club owner Jack Ruby. What was seen for 47 hours as an isolated tragedy became one of the most notable suspected conspiracies in US history. And while the Warren Commission claimed that Oswald and Ruby both acted alone, the House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded in 1979 that JFK's murder most likely resulted from a conspiracy. Now, a new development has shaken both sides of the conspiracy controversy. Recently revealed evidence suggests the CIA may have been tracking Oswald and indicates a possible link among anti-Castro Cubans, Carlos Marcello, Ruby, Oswald, and the CIA. (Greg Wagner)

Thanks, Greg. The program guide here doesn't offer a blurb but I imagine it is the same show.

However, I am curious about this recently revealed evidence noted in the rundown above. The documentary screening here is simply titled 'Jack Ruby'.

Cheers,

James

A heads up for Aussie forum members. On Friday, 20th of May at 9.30pm, the History Channel is running what is listed as a first run documentary on the life of Jack Ruby.

Have any of our international forum members seen this program?

James

Hi Don,

LOL Looks like we heard it at the same time, I posted the story under the Luis Posada Carilles thread...Now the question is, what are they going to do with him????

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Hi Ryan,

Given Posada's connections back to Fort Benning and the Agency, I guess they don't want any death bed confessions and judging from this recent image below, Posada might not to be too far off departing this mortal coil.

James

sorry james, I wrote this incorrectly , what i meant to say was that harrelson called holt a xxxx and that he (harrelson) had nothing to do with the assassination.

John

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Thanks, John.

Regarding Frenchy, some time ago I presented this possibility below. Duenas was one of Eddie Bayo's guys and a part of Operation Tilt.

I post it as a possible only.

James

Harrelson has told me Holt is a xxxx and that he played no part in 22/11. (John Geraghty)

Hi John,

That is most interesting. After his initial statement which was then retracted, it was my understanding that Harrelson now claims to have been no part of what went down in Dallas.

How would he know that Holt was not involved if he wasn't either? Has he ever offered any opinions as to who he believes was behind the assassination?

James

James, can you identify and post the photo of the CIA bureaucrat whose sole responsibility was to come up with these names? (Tim Gratz)

Hi Tim,

The individual's name is classified as top secret but I did manage to secure this image of him below from the Agency's 'Let's Make A Word' department.

James

Davis then shifted gears and said that the really big threat was from Eduardo "Bayo" Perez and his AM/TILT group. (Gerry Hemming)

Gerry,

Now that is really interesting. Bayo supposedly went missing on Op Tilt (mid 1963) so to see him as a threat in November of 1963, you guys obviously didn't buy that story?

As to Bayo's guys, was Virgilio Gonzalez prominent in the potential Miami threat?

James