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6 hours ago, Jon Pickering said:
Perhaps the answer got flambeed in 1973 along with 13 million other military personnel files. Isn't that where the expression 'cooking the truth' originated? Perhaps?
"Cook it? Son, we damn near fricasseed the thing!"
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15 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:
No, it's very relevant Jamey.
JMO after years of reading. GK shooter(s), boom boom, guns in trunk. Never searched. Blended in with crowd, or, walked quickly to back of TSBD, right to Houston/the parking lot behind the TSBD, north of it, gone.
Or the shooter hiding in the trunk with the weapon, and driven away by his spotter. Roger Craig reported a DPD officer letting cars out of the parking lot without checking them.
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JFK's Wristwatches, and Other Presidential Timepieces
What's the assassination connection? The Cartier is the one claimed to still carry traces of mercury inflected blood by the author of that dubious book whose name I can't remember (which posits that Ronald Reagan actually cared about justice for JFK). The tank watch is the one given him by Grant Stockdale. Further afield, the Rolex inscribed by Marilyn Monroe is strikingly suspicious.
Otherwise, a great article for the presidentially minded.
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/personal-timepieces-every-united-states-president-ever
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1 hour ago, Micah Mileto said:
Ah, ok. I edited my description out.
Happens to me, too.
Thanks for the article. It's good to have a fuller picture of JFK in the trauma room.
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As I read it, it's much of the face covered for treating the throat wound, with more than one doctor saying the back of the head was not obscured. The procedural illustrations of standard practices bear that out.
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2 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:
I do not know of the provenance of other versions, but I independently came to my version. I didn't even know of earlier versions.
However, since I wrote my version, researcher John Newman has challenged the purported meeting between Antonio Veciana and Phillips aka Bishop. That meeting, if it occurred, lent a lot of credence to the idea Phillips was involved in the JFKA. But maybe the meeting never occurred.
Still, my version fits the known facts. It also explains the Walker non-shooting as a practice run.
For those of you who are Marcello-did-it fans:
Robert Blakey, mob-hunter pursued the Marcello version at the HCSA, and dropped hints but no conclusions.
However, by 2018, Blakey was publicly stating that he suspected Herminio Diaz and Eladio Del Valle were in Dealey Plaza that day. In other words, Cuban exiles and CIA assets.
Not doubting your research Ben. Just trying to figure out if anyone can remember a posited false-flag written about in the 1970s, or other early reports.
My Bible in those days was They've Killed the President by Robert Sam Anson, a book that's taken some fire in years since (on grounds I can't remember). I wonder if I read it there.
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Does anyone know the origin of the posited false-flag "attempt" in Dealey Plaza? I only recall reading about it in a non-fiction work between 1974 and 1988, the year Don DeLillo's novel Libra was published. As I've said before, my first thought upon reading a review of Libra was, "Oh, DeLillo's heard that rumor, too."
But what is the provenance of the rumor? Was it speculation by researchers in the 1960s to 1970s, or did someone with first-hand knowledge of the case suggest or state that there was a false-flag possibility? Does anyone remember their first encounter with the rumor?
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If Garrison was beholden to Marcello, and Marcello and the Mob did it, why would Marcello permit a JFKA investigation at all? Regardless of Garrison's loyalties, unwanted facts could have been unearthed, and other investigators could have turned them on the Mob.
At the time, there was no incentive for the Mob to foster or permit an investigation blaming the CIA. There was every reason not to. All there was to attract attention to the Mob then was limited media mention of Jack Ruby's sketchy involvements, which few were concerned about. To sponsor Garrison's CIA investigation, even on a "Screw the government!" level, would be borderline suicide for Mob leaders.
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2 hours ago, Michael Crane said:
Need help with an answer for another forum.I remember reading a long time ago that the mafia had the goods on J.Edgar Hoover.The goods consisted of J.Edgar Hoover in compromising gay photos at a party.This allowed the mafia to blackmail Hoover.Was it Marcello that had the goods? Maybe even Gianacana?
Anybody else read the rumors that I have read?
See this video. Seems to collect all known "compromising photo" testimony.
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Kamala Harris's stepdaughter looks like she's in over her head in the Famous Offspring business... It's possible a crashing sound will follow.
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Is there an end to this guy? It's like in the 1960s, when Esquire magazine would print a pic of Dick Nixon every few issues, captioned, "Why is this man laughing?" Of course, Nixon got comeback mileage out of that...
Trump: US should put Chinese flags on F-22 jets and ‘bomb dooky out of’ Russia
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/07/donald-trump-russia-ukraine-jets-chinese
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Henry Gonzalez was a mealy-mouthed equivocator: I was there, and there's nothing to see here, because I didn't see it.
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45 minutes ago, John Butler said:
Don't know. Didn't someone once say or speculate that someone took a hammer to Kennedy's skull fracturing all of the skull bones we see missing thereby creating a wound such as this photo real or not portrays.
That's the dummy used in the autopsy scene of Oliver Stone's JFK.
There's a "Making of" doc that shows Stone and the techs on the autopsy room set, blocking out the shot beside the dummy - it's unintentionally creepy.
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In Altgens 6, even given the compactness of the plaza, the shadows labelled as Hill's and Moorman's look closer to the TSBD than you would guess from their location in Zapruder - far down and west along that long "sea of green" backdrop.
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On 2/13/2022 at 9:13 AM, Gil Jesus said:
From Doug Horne:
There were two Zapruder films delivered to NPIC, one late Saturday night and one Sunday evening.
"Homer McMahon vividly and independently recalled during his first interview that an unslit,“double 8” home movie film, 16 mm wide, was delivered to him at NPIC by “Bill Smith” of the Secret Service. This was confirmed by him during his second, tape-recorded interview. He remembers being told by Bill Smith that the unslit double 8 movie was the camera-original film, and he believed this, because of its unslit format, as well as because of the sharpness of the image."
He goes on:
"The plain facts are these:
(1) the 8 mm ( already slit! ) camera-original Zapruder film was delivered to NPIC late on Saturday evening, 11/23/63, and the two "Secret Service" officials who brought it to NPIC for the making of briefing boards left with the film at about 3 AM Sunday morning; and
(2) a 16 mm, unslit version of the Zapruder film was returned to NPIC the next night, after dark, on Sunday evening, 11/24/63; and its courier (“Bill Smith”) said it had been processed at “Hawkeyeworks,” and that he had brought it directly to NPIC in Washington, D.C. from Rochester ( using the unmistakable code word “Hawkeyeworks” ) himself. "
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"Dino Brugioni’s knowledge of the “Hawkeyeworks” facility in Rochester, gained from Mr. Ed Green of Kodak and others whom he knew at the facility, was that it could indeed process motion picture film, and that the Kodak technicians at the Top Secret laboratory “could do anything” with film. Because “Bill Smith” of the Secret Service delivered a Zapruder film to NPIC on Sunday, 11/24/63, whose format had miraculously been transformed, within 24 hours, from a slit, 8 mm wide “double 8” film, to an unslit, 16 mm wide, “double 8” film, it is reasonable to conclude that the Zapruder film’s image content was indeed altered on Sunday, 11/24/63, and that the alteration occurred at “Hawkeyeworks,” from whence Bill Smith had come with the film, which he readily admitted had been processed at that facility."
Thanks for that, Gil. I'm still processing it, amid distractions.
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On 2/13/2022 at 9:35 AM, Sean Coleman said:
Why would the Zfilm be altered if it was never intended to be publicly viewed? It was in hibernation for 12 years before it’s leak and subsequent appearance c/o Geraldo Rivera 1975-plenty of time to either alter it proficiently with advanced technology or just “lose it”
Not casting aspersions, just asking…
Like I mentioned above:
[N]o one could have been certain as to who in government at any date after the JFKA would see the composite, and what their disposition toward the contents might be. There would be a difference between the viewers desired and the viewers who could conceivably see the composite. So decisions made as to what could be seen in the composite had to be across-the-board convincing of the cover story, at least within the limits of argument.
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4 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:
Like Gym Jordan, for instance? 🤥
Congressman echoes Trump’s claim that Clinton aides deserved to die
Jim Jordan’s statement on Fox News is another example of violent rhetoric entering the Republican mainstream, analysts say
February 14, 2022
Get a protest song ready for everybody's funeral:
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15 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:Ben , You've circulated this now 3 times. None of us citizens weigh through this government crap, or take it very seriously..This is what I meant when I said earlier that people from other countries can't filter out the "noise" from American life outside of an isolated, agitated bloke from Thailand, who could know?
You're the one most alarmed. I'm wondering how many more posts you're going to obsess about the deer virus. I'm almost hoping it happens , so we don't have to hear about it anymore. Now is that sick?
heh heh heh!
Hey I didn't start it!
Kirk, I think we're concerned about the people who will read it, and believe it and act on it.
Things were more civil before the Civil War, and look what happened...
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15 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:
David A-
There seems to be a lot in the M$M intended to make Americans afraid and divided.
I'm more worried about politicians authorizing Americans to kill each other.
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On 2/12/2022 at 12:33 AM, David Andrews said:
Sure, why not? Let's encourage an assassination culture from the top down:
'Targeted Assassinations' Coming if Civil War Breaks Out: Adam Kinzinger
Let a thousand Forums bloom!
Here's a targeted assassination attempt, the kind Kinzinger wants to dredge up from the muck of the American psyche:
Gunman tried to shoot Louisville mayoral candidate in his office: cops
Dan White rolls over in grave, requests Twinkie: reporters
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Persons interested in counterterror profiteering since 9/11 should review this article about financial loss and corruption surrounding the Defense department's AFRICOM command. An eye-opener.
https://warisboring.com/drug-wars-missing-money-and-a-phantom-500-million/
Drug Wars, Missing Money and a Phantom $500 Million
Pentagon watchdog calls out two commands for financial malfeasance
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Not to split hairs on this fine piece of Gil's work, but, while the composite film (and the original Zapruder) were not meant to be seen by the general public, no one could have been certain as to who in government at any date after the JFKA would see the composite, and what their disposition toward the contents might be. There would be a difference between the viewers desired and the viewers who could conceivably see the composite. So decisions made as to what could be seen in the composite had to be across-the-board convincing of the cover story, at least within the limits of argument.
Also, if pains were taken to set up alternate photographers shooting from Zapruder's POV, then there would already be a plan as to where to do the composite work after the film(s) left Dallas. It would not be left to circumstantial decision. In that way, the film alteration mirrors the body alteration, perhaps not just metaphorically but physically - down to the bloody "flap" appearing on the right side of the head, unseen at Parkland but visible in the Zapruder composite and the autopsy photos suspected of being retouched to elide the rear blowout. (With those autopsy photos being a third mirror, for an infinite reflection.)
It would seem that the composite film was made from a copy that had been reviewed in Washington while Dino Brugioni was printing stills and preparing briefing boards from the original. Doug Horne's breakneck timeline aside, there would be no time to review the film after Brugioni finished, make the decision to send it to Hawkeye Works, and then get the composite back to NPIC for McMahon and Hunter to make new prints from and prepare alternate briefing boards. The fact that Brugioni got the original points toward some error made in releasing the film to him prematurely. I'm thinking an independent team of nominal Secret Service agents (actually CIA?) was put in play perhaps while Brugioni was still working, and carried the copy from Washington to Rochester, and then back to NPIC.
What exactly did McMahon and Hunter say about the version they received, in contrast to what Brugioni describes receiving in the Horne film? Was that an unslit 16mm/8mm, or a 16mm single strip?
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4 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:
"I dunno. Maybe after the Super Bowl."
Priceless Americana.
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Sure, why not? Let's encourage an assassination culture from the top down:
'Targeted Assassinations' Coming if Civil War Breaks Out: Adam Kinzinger
Let a thousand Forums bloom!
The relevance of this forum in the new era of World War 2.5
in JFK Assassination Debate
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As long as the chief financial organ in the US calls for a defense buildup, no lesson is learned. A defense buildup call brought on our last "New Pearl Harbor," and it will bring on our next. Cavete!