David Andrews
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12 minutes ago, Vince Palamara said:
I got me a cop and a president and I'm gonna get me two more!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If Lee was so brutal, why didn't he beat Marina after she locked him in to keep him from assassinating Nixon? Did he think it was adorable, like Ricky Ricardo?
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24 minutes ago, Vince Palamara said:
David, how about THIS one:
Ouch!
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33 minutes ago, Vince Palamara said:
"a Secret Service officer named Mike Howard was dispatched to Oswald’s apartment. Howard found a little green address book, and on its 17th page under the heading “I WILL KILL” Oswald listed four men: an FBI agent named James Hosty; a right-wing general, Edwin Walker; and Vice President Richard Nixon.
Any connection to Marina's statement that she locked LHO in the bathroom to keep him from assassinating RMN?
Boy, that LA Times story is really beneath Reston, Jr. He may have had an underselling book to flog.
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11 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:
I think Oswald was acting out his cover... a disgruntled American turned Communist. To impress his Russian hosts.
It was his "Lefty Lee" deep cover role, and he played it to the hilt, until the blade was buried in his chest. Once made the patsy, he probably felt that continuity would impress the US intelligence community,* and save him - considering that this imposture would scare the Soviets to death.
The only time he broke the fourth wall was in protesting too loudly that Ruth Paine was innocent, then hinting that "now everybody will know who I am" (paraphrase). That would call attention to each of their roles, in a sub rosa appeal to the DPD for some abetment of his role-playing, and an abatement of the pressure on him. Did DPD upchannel those remarks, and get Oswald killed? (Probably they didn't: his death was in the cards all along.)
Really, a strategy similar to Jack Ruby presenting himself to Earl Warren as a holder of secrets, masked in a crazy act for the benefit of Dallas police and Sheriff Bill Decker that he hoped Warren would see through. Perhaps both Oswald and Ruby believed that the fix that was in was not universally supported above the local level.
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*"'Intelligence community?' Jesus, you guys are kind to yourselves." -- Three Days of the Condor
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14 hours ago, Leslie Sharp said:
Dave, I missed this last year. FYI, the museum advised me that the recording can be reproduced and sent to you for $100++. I put it on the back burner, but will likely order it after the first of the year. If I do, I'll transcribe it, and — unless there are copyright restrictions — share it here on Ed Forum.
Thank you! Maybe the transcript can be donated to a JFKA collection.
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On 12/1/2022 at 7:18 AM, Joe Bauer said:
I stand corrected from my earlier post citing the February Issue.
I believe the February, 1967 issue is the "Mark Lane" issue.
Joe, I didn't notice, and wasn't correcting. I was just unexpectedly seized by Kim Farber fever this morning, a disorder that hasn't reappeared since my pre-adolescence. No cures, please.
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5 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
You might want to get the Mark lane interview also.
William, Joe - Kim Farber and Mark Lane in the February 1967 issue:
https://archive.org/details/youtube-rjEfn_qFCJE
The Nancy Kulp issue is, unfortunately for comedy, MIA.
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Somehow, I don't think the Azov battalion will be dispensed with as quickly and finally as in the days when Hitler could take down Ernst Rohm and the SA in one night, without interference. Their domestic and international supporters will live on the internet until renascence. And live on within foreign governments, as with Gladio.
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52 minutes ago, Pamela Brown said:
Ed Haslam and Judyth Baker both come from Bradenton, FL. I think Ed created a parallel universe and Judyth walked right into it. I don't think there was a 'false' JVB. I think he made that up.
It's a simple fix, Ed - go search the Tulane University archives for a picture of that visiting professor. Start online. See if she used the JVB name, or another. If you can't find her, tell us that.
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On 11/17/2022 at 8:08 PM, Sandy Larsen said:
LOL, yeah. Oswald made quite a splash... it was in all the newspapers and everything... um, except that it wasn't.
Was Oz's supposed exhibitionism later set up with the story that, on returning from Russia, he was disappointed in the lack of press turnout?
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11 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:
3) Is the Jim Derogatis book, Turn on Your Mind: Four Decades of Great Psychedelic Rock, worth reading?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0634055488/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
One very good book on the SF music scene is Joel Selvin's Summer of Love (1994), which is out of print but can be found through a library:
The two other Selvin books I've read (Grateful Dead, Altamont) have been of the same standards.
I hope everybody understands that I linked to the McGowan pages "for entertainment purposes only." I can't see getting all bug-eyed over his set of assumptions, only the topics for further research within.
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29 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:
And Jim Morrison's father was completely clueless about his son's rock 'n roll career, and life.
I watched an interview once where Admiral Morrison said that he initially thought that his son abandoning a film career to sing in a rock band was ridiculous, and he didn't realize that the Lizard King had become wildly successful until he saw the Doors perform on the Ed Sullivan Show.
Who was it that called Morrison an erotic politician? The noun may have been less developed than the adjective. God bless him, though, for what he got across, sometimes wonderfully off-handedly. Where would Coppola be without him?
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35 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:
What amazed me about West at OU, beyond interfering with Jack Ruby's psyche, was his appointment to a department head with no teaching experience. I'm halfway through Inside the Canyon, it is fascinating. Thanks to David for linking it. BTW, Lori might you have seen the Texas - OU game this year?
I have to tell you, Ron - I skimmed the McGowan pages I linked to, and I think that the version I read on his own site while McGowan was alive was a revised edition, longer and better written. I don't remember that version ending where this one does. I haven't read the book he made from his articles, but the published work *may* be a more complete read.
McGowan's stuff often falls into the "Everybody was guilty" fallacy of conspiracy fabula. For instance, McGowan asks, portentiously, why Jim Morrison never mentioned that his father, the admiral, was (supposedly) instrumental in assaulting North Vietnam. A simple answer might be, He was effin' embarrassed to acknowledge it, and not in on a cover-up. Or he didn't want the bad press in the counterculture media. Or - being Jim Morrison, lost in a Roman wilderness of liquor bottles - he really didn't give an eff.
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On 11/7/2022 at 12:31 AM, Ron Bulman said:
Wow Dave. This gets deep in a hurry. Zappa's dad worked at Edgewood as a chemist. For Gottlieb?
Entertaining as they are, McGowan's pages require fact-checking by the reader. I have a Zappa biography I can dig out to see if Gottleib is mentioned in connection with FZ's dad, and other delights.
It's possible that McGowan's thesis boils down to this: To get a major label contract in LA, it helped to have a daddy who was rich or connected. I don't want to write his work off totally: it has research-worthy topics and tidbits.
BTW, if you check online, you may still find McGowan's series on the Lincoln assassination. It's been a long time since I've read it, but I did think enough of it to save a copy...somewhere among my 20-plus hard drives. (I'm still looking for Rich Dellarosa's now-deleted pages on the MLK assassination, which I promised another inmate here, years ago.)
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Dave McGowan passed away some time ago. His pre-publication article series on Laurel Canyon rock stars and MKULTRA is still kicking here:
http://www.whale.to/b/inside_the_lc1.html
An interesting, if dubiously factual, companion to Tom O'Neill's Chaos, thought provoking amid the BS.
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2 hours ago, Michael Griffith said:
The bigger point is that Oswald's extensive association with Ferrie, Shaw, and Banister refutes the simplistic lone-gunman picture of him as a Marxist loner with no intelligence connections.
And Ferrie might have hoped to impress Whalen with knowledge uncommon to the period.
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One observation:
If Michael really did call Ruth and say, "We both know who is responsible," he's parroting an American accusative formulation commonly heard in period movie dialogue. An utterance spoken when someone in a stressful situation wants to make a sharp point tacitly and dramatically, using a common, cinema-inspired, shared dialect.
A: I know who's responsible.
B: And you know who's responsible.
😄 Because it's you.
(The accidental Smiley works well here, no?)
In Ruth's case, we might infer, "It's you, and people you know." Because you know who's responsible, and I know that you know.
Anybody who's seen a couple of Joan Crawford or Lana Turner movies speaks this dialect. The line could have come from the last act of some Bogart picture. The listener is always implicitly the accused.
It might not have been true. Michael might have minimized his own involvement. And we don't even know that it happened. Yet the person who reported this utterance, and the persons who passed it down through legend, also would have understood this formulation.
It's such a familiar formulation, we might wonder if it had been purposely leaked, even if untrue...
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8 minutes ago, Andrej Stancak said:
It would be very useful to know in what way did Lee Oswald go wrong. I read about Oswald going wrong in the plot couple times before. Anyway, this story suggests that Lee Oswald could have some foreknowledge or maybe even play a part in JFK's assassination.
Or Ferrie could have lied about Oswald, since no one would want to jump into Oswald's role.
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If, indeed, he went home and got a gun:
- He may have been told to dump everything and prepare to leave town, and been assigned a rendezvous point at Texas Theater (nothing new here).
He may have been told by the plotters, or by another organization he thought was protecting him from the plotters.
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- He understood that events had gone differently from what he had been told to expect, and gone to a pre-arranged catastrophe rendezvous point to meet people he didn't completely trust, but opted to rely on.
He may have known that Texas Theater was a place of dubious safety for him - public, all right, but dark and secluded, with a film-distracted audience.
At this point in the day, who could LHO trust?
It seems to have gone differently than he expected. Spending the night at the Paines', LHO showed up for work unshaven, arguably unwashed, and in what appears to have been yesterday's T-shirt - the ultimate casual Friday. One of his first complaints at DPD was that he wasn't allowed to shower. Wouldn't you schedule that in the morning, if you knew you wouldn't be sleeping at home that night, or ever again?
Yet he may have anticipated danger and possible exile, hence the unusual Thursday night sleepover with family.
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On 10/13/2022 at 1:12 PM, Lawrence Schnapf said:
I would not be surprised if LHO heard there was going to be a "demonstration" during the motorcade by exiles to protest Cuban policy and that he could have been involved with the "protest" but then it turned out to be an assassination to his surprise.- FWIW
...A demonstration by a man with an umbrella and a "Cuban" pumping his fist?
A minimal cast gathered by the Stemmons sign to keep the patsy relaxed, should he look down the street?
What they call today "crisis actors," told by radio how demonstrative to act?
Plan B: Umbrella Man, approached by cops, claims he's FPCC?
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8 hours ago, Cory Santos said:
Forget what Lawford says. Let’s hear what the victim had to say in her own words.
“One note reveals that Monroe might have distrusted and even feared J.F.K.’s brother-in-law, Lawford, who was the last person to speak to her on the phone before she was found dead. In a handsome, green, engraved Italian diary, probably dating to around 1956, Monroe writes of the “feeling of violence I’ve had lately about being afraid of Peter he might harm me, poison me, etc. why—strange look in his eyes—strange behavior.” Monroe writes that she feels “uneasy at different times with him,” and that she believes him to be “homosexual.” She writes that she loves, respects, and admires “Jack”—most likely the dancer and choreographer Jack Cole—“who I feel feels I have talent and wouldn’t be jealous of me because I wouldn’t really want to be me.” Of Lawford, she concludes, “Peter wants to be a woman—and would like to be me—I think.”https://themarilynmonroecollection.com/marilyns-secret-diaries-in-vanity-fair/
This, I would say, stretches to delusion on MM's part. However, people often pile delusive attributes on others they distrust, and Lawford may have displayed a ruthless side toward women.
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Jim, Lawford has a notoriously sleazy rep in Hollywood memory, and it worsened after MM as his film career declined. To have a notoriously sleazy rep for that long in Hollywood is really saying something. Didn't he wrangle girls for the senator when he went west?
I've seen as many Lawford films as anybody here, down to his co-starring role with Lassie. He always seems to have deserved more acclaim, but been denied the vehicle to achieve it. His favor-currying and personal dissoluteness seem like two sides of compensating for his career.
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4 hours ago, Joseph McBride said:
He said she was upset that night because Peter Lawford had
called to invite her at a party at his beach house along with
a bunch of call girls. She was hurt that Lawford evidently
thought of her as nothing better than a call girl.
So...Lawford still not a pimp?
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13 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:
In the MM house photo to the right of MM's facial shot there is a back side view of a figure of a woman standing looking at MM's home
The figure looks to be super imposed. Odd.
Weirdly, the woman figure looks remarkably like the famous backside view photo of the "Babuska Lady" we all know in Dealey Plaza. Same shape, legs apart stance, head dress and long coat.
For a long time, it was common to enhance newspaper photos by tracing the outlines of persons or objects who might appear indistinct once the photo was printed. You can see that with other objects in the MM house photo, and in other 20th-century crime scene photos that made the papers. It always looked bad, a little childish. I've handled news archive photos where the compositor highlighted a figure by brushing on Wite-Out.
David Talbot on the Mainstream Media Being Essentially a Propaganda Arm for the National Security State
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted · Edited by David Andrews
Great avatar pic, Joe.