David Andrews
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Respectfully, Mark, by the standards cited in your post, any past thread/post on the posthumous smearing of JFK needs to be removed to the DEEP POLITICS section.
Persons wishing to see the salient part of the scene should search YouTube for the short called Blonde: Marilyn Monroe and JFK Scene (My Honest Reaction)#blonde #movies #netflix #marilynmonroe, which contains the salient bit. Where the scene is stopped is as far as the allegated rape depiction goes. The scene closely follows a scene in the novel.
EDIT: I guess the underlined above works as a link. Clicking it is optional.
If problems, delete my post.
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23 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:
I can't believe anyone on the EF-JFKA has been obnoxious.
And things here were downright genteel in 2014...
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2 hours ago, Robert Burrows said:
To quote the title of Rick Wilson's excellent book: Everything Trump Touches Dies.
Including this fourm.
56 more years!
56 more years!!
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18 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:
@David Andrews Did you miss this? "Military, join us and put all of them up against a concrete wall..."
I wonder the response from mods of this thread if you venture further out on the limb and flagrantly concur with Santilli? Hasn't this battle been fought and won everywhere but the deep dark net?
No, I got it. It's one of the reasons that I'm surprised the Clintons weren't dragged into the screed.
I really don't think you're going to see DoD act against the CIA, or vice-versa. There's a costly status quo to maintain. Exciting individual right-wing service members is another story.
Concur with Santilli? This is why I counseled against optimism over Tucker Carlson getting mileage out of the JFKA: it discredits us to have the right wing co-opt conspiracy research, and it's not in the interests of justice.
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7 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:
David,
Did you hear what I think is a high frequency dog whistle-- the odd reference to Obama, Eric Holder, and Susan Rice?
On the eve of a possible Trump indictment, it sounds like an insurrectionist klaxon to me.
All of Trump's JFKA pronouncements were as non-specific as a UTI, by the way.
This Just In: Proud Boys disrupt a Drag Story Hour hosted by New York A-G Letitia James:
Storm brewing?
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It's intended to fall in with Trump's occasional, anti-establishment mouthings about the JFKA, plus the not entirely disputable notion that Obama was a CIA-created executive.
I'm surprised this guy's hoopla doesn't indict the Clintons as well. Maybe it does - I'm not listening any harder. Bring me some rabid left-wing broadcasters for a change.
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I'd say that in the pile-on scrum to seize Oswald, nobody could get in a clear point-blank shot without hitting another cop. Nor Westbrook, from the balcony. If Oswald really had his pistol out, there may have been concerns about getting hit.
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Deleted, sorry.
"001 Days Without a Deletion"
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18 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:
O'Reilly's book is just plain awful. His book Killing the Rising Sun is even worse, inexcusably worse.
It's what O'Reilly gets for not writing them, and not reading them.
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I did. I was four, and have little to no memory of what was said in the household. I was still trying to process the assassination, and the truisms uttered in response.
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Video of Evan Thomas discussing his 2012 book, Ike's Bluff. Revelations are thin, but...
- @07:00 Ike "hated" Allen Dulles for the U2 scuttling the Paris summit, was angered when people commented that Dulles should have been fired. "I'm the president and you're not." Fear factor?
- @47:28 In Ike's admin, Time-Life's C. D. Jackson was "way out there" and "crazy for" employing covert action against the Soviets.
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When Fain says that an "informant ... would furnish information," he uses would in the sense of volition or surrender to compulsion, but "generally" in referring to a category of person. The would is conditionalized in Oswald's case, as Fain says on the same page that this would (*) happen if Oswald "were ever contacted" by a Soviet, preterite form. A future performance is demanded, and past performance not stated.
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Re: Russiagate and election fraud:
The unspoken-of mastodon in the room, and the one Trump dared to prod, was the Bush election fraud against Gore and Kerry in 2000 and 2004. One of Greg Palast's books demonstrates that this happened, and (in part) how it happened, Some of it involved voting machine irregularities.
When Trump cried fraud, was it with knowledge that a GOP that didn't effectively support him might suffer from an exhuming of the Bush affairs? Was that a built-in suicide switch for him?
The power of the Bush family and allied interests is such that, in all the bluster and hate of 2021, the Bush frauds were never cited as precedents. Apparently no one wanted to end up in a media industry dungeon, like Dan Rather or Ashleigh Banfield over the Air National Guard scandal. Are there any books on the fall of Trump that even mention 2000 and 2004?
The minute Trump, Sidney Powell, and their House supporters blamed altered voting machine procedures, I waited for Bush's two old, cordovan leather shoes to drop. They never did. It would have thrown shade on acquiescent DEMs as well.
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One of the byblows of WW II was Churchill's vendetta against Michael Powell and Emeric Pressburger's filmThe Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (1943), one of the great films about the Empire, sentimental division. Churchill hated the newspaper comic it was based on, calling it unpatriotic in wartime. The Scorsese-produced Blu-ray has a good documentary.
https://mathewlyons.co.uk/2020/07/18/colonel-blimp-winston-churchill-powell-pressburger/
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Just a thought: you've got JFK and Oswald killed because their security left an opening for assassins; in the case of JFK, multiple openings.
Dealey Plaza and its buildings could have been combed for shooters, and uniformed and plainclothes police stationed near trouble spots. But, a question: Had every SS on the Queen Mary and in the limo been at top alert, could they have saved JFK from a bad rifle hit?
Even had Greer punched it and fled, under other circumstances would that have been enough?
Prouty was right: it was a potential ambush trap that should have been searched and monitored. Nobody on the ground could have saved JFK from a rifle shot.
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If he stubbed his toe on the way, then he deserved that, too. Hope it hurt. That's probably why he made that Ooooowwww! face - because Leavell stepped on his bad toe in the fracas.
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There is quite a bit of past discussion on Stockdale in the Forum back threads, for those interested.
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Plus the moment his voice breaks when he says, tentatively, that he's only heard innuendo about being charged from "the reporters in the hallway."
Not exactly a fanatic owning his crime.
More like a guy realizing how he got here, but not knowing why. Always hurts a bit.
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12 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:
David - interesting conjecture, more believable than thinking Ted Shackley was trying to protect JFK.
Could have been a winner, if only they'd had offshore black sites in the day.
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13 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2022/104-10103-10024.pdf
So, this is a memo that evidently confirms the CIA, especially in the Miami area, spent some time investigating whether someone in the Miami community was behind the JFKA.
Of course, asking the CIA to investigate whether elements within the CIA conducted the JFKA...
Evidently, there 400 officers attached to the Miami CIA station, and 2,000 CIA-Cuban assets in the US at the time of the JFKA. Many were deeply angered by what they perceived as a JFK backstab at the Bay of Pigs, and in relation to Cuba in general....
One wonders if this investigation was not an opening for a potential "prophylactic" purge of some troublesome exiles, in the way that the al-Qaeda "base" was rolled up after 9/11.
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20 hours ago, Denis Morissette said:
It may be nothing much, but that center grouping, even the little kid, is gathered to listen to somebody - maybe the guy in the skewed hat. Or examine something.
The man under scrutiny here has stopped at the periphery to listen.
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On 1/12/2023 at 8:34 PM, Ron Bulman said:
One thing that caught my attention was the Trent Parker of the ONI/CIA tape he had or had heard? Nelson Rockefeller, LBJ, Dulles, Hoover with Harriman and David Rockefeller off to the side discussing the assassination before it happened? I've never read of this. Attributed to Defrauding America by a Rodney Stich. Has anyone else here ever read this book?
A problem in Stich's self-edited writings is that books such as the original Defrauding America are structured like long laundry lists of crimes committed by mid-level federal officials, separated into chapters by topic. In later Stich books, whole sections of these lists are imported from Defrauding America into pertinent chapters without additional author comment or contextualization. So - if you're interested in a topic, the best place to go is Defrauding America, to check Stich's coverage and see if any further revelations are worth pursuing in his later books.
For understanding localized aspects of intelligence community culture ahead of 9/11, I found Stich's FBI, CIA, The Mob, & Treachery useful and interesting, if unverified. The book tells the story of a wrongfully imprisoned former FBI agent, his misadventures with CIA and the Mob in the New York area, and his prior engagement as a military officer supporting the Contra War (a well-detailed inter-agency involvement that jibes with Prouty's Secret Team). Everyone in it is marvelously corrupt and seedy, yet portrayed in ways that would take further research to confirm. Without that, I look for incidents and investigations consonant with other writings on pre-9/11 FBI culture. Still, a hell of an entertaining read, with the caveats cited.
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Jane Jacobs contra Robert Moses fortunately made it into Ric Burns' film series, New York: A Documentary Film (1999-2001), though Caro's deleted chapter was perhaps even more damning to Moses, prompting the deletion of this important biographical consideration. (Caro is interviewed in this segment of Burns' film.) No editor would make this decision today, and Gottleib's cut is a hangover of the mindset that licensed Moses to modernize and sanitize Manhattan.
An interview subject in the American Experience film, The World that Moses Built (1988) describes Moses as "the executor of a great many people's plans," a phrase that ought to resonate among JFKA facilitators such as Allen Dulles. In Moses' case, some of these plans might have been destroying New York's "slum" neighborhoods before a generation of Blacks and Puerto Ricans could fill the gap left by growing "white flight" to the suburbs. This generation would be housed in Moses-approved projects north of the new Lincoln Center and Cross-Bronx Expressway.
Personally, I'd rather see a documentary on how Robert Gottleib beat into acceptable shape Joseph Heller's bilious and prolix manuscript of Catch-22, a greater achievement when one looks at the still-meandering published version, a book Norman Mailer said you could cut 100 pages from without Heller knowing they were gone.
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In case anybody wants to comb it for critical topics:
Left-Wing Daily Beast Reviews JFK Rape of Marilyn Monroe Movie "Blonde"
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted · Edited by David Andrews
Remember that MM led a considerably bi-coastal life, with contacts and associates in New York also.
And no part of Blonde, novel or film, takes place in the WH.