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What do we make of the bag addressed to the wrong Oswald location, held at the post office and discovered after his death? Did someone really need to connect him with a rifle bag? Could he have ordered it at a gun shop?
Some discussion of bags, rods, and the Frazier-Randle family in this video. Brings up issues if not solving them to everyone's satisfaction:
Oswald: What I'm really lookin' for is something to carry this thing in, but I can't afford a case.
Gunsmith: Well, I'm all outta paper sacks. Like me to mail you one?
Oswald: Sure. Here's two bits and a fake address.
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I suspect that Hunt deadpanning "The alien presence" meant, at best, "I can't tell you." At worst, it meant...something that may be used as a barometer for the temper of his deathbed confession. Both messages are for an audience larger than the recipients.
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Thanks. Larry.
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Larry, not contradicting, but did the agents who ID'd Oswald ID him correctly? From photos and direct observation, or from rumor and disinfo (false hotel/transportation records and Oz-name dropping by the "subject")?
In the absence of photos, can we ever know?
It would seem that those photos would be used to bolster the WCR, did they exist.
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What if all Trump was shown was the equivalent of docs we've all seen, and he was bamboozled through lack of experience? Say, docs that suggest Oswald was CIA-affiliated, which John Newman discovered years ago? Say, docs that might undermine support for the Vietnam war? "Oh, God - can't have this." But nobody mentions to Trump that there's long scholarship on equivalent docs already released.
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21 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:
My pet theory is LHO was part of CIA-planned false flag op, but no actual assassination. Some bad guys, elements within the CIA, piggy-backed on the op and shot for real.
Very close to your outline.
I'd add that a diffuse secondary cover-up would have had to be overlaid on the legend of Oswald as commie shooter.
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I've always wondered about LBJ as the designated Volunteer... Did he retain that title as POTUS?
Did they know he'd forced his way onto the ticket?
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“I wouldn’t answer that question,” he replies. “I think the Ukraine war is an existential war for us. I think we are walking along the edge in a completely unnecessary war.”
But as a Democrat, I press, wouldn’t Robert F. Kennedy Jr., of the vaunted Democratic Kennedy family, vote for the Democratic nominee?...
Not a thought about asking, "Aren't they all unnecessary today?" Not strictly journalism, but it might have opened another dialogue.
This at a time when the governments of three adjacent African nations have fallen in coups.
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Deep State proposal = Hillary lost in 2016.
Deep State proof = Trump loses in 2024.
I'm influenced here by John Judge's logic on whether Oswald's death and assassin would prove the fix was in.
Important to remember that what appears to be Deep State can be as anti-monolithic as one set of influencers swaying a powerful supporting set, convincing them that interests should coalesce.
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The Bob Tuskin link showing Not Found message for me.
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Oh, Robert....
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Breaking in: I'm amazed these water coolers don't have an Idaho 4/Bryan Kohberger section. I got sucked into reviewing the MSM, forums, and YouTube coverage from the beginning...and the successes and errors are very familiar from assassinations studies. Which would give people here some advantages.
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2 hours ago, Eddy Bainbridge said:
The change was perhaps from a wrecker of the FPCC (Had the attempt been a pathetic and deliberate failure, with no injury to JFK) to an assassin?
Slightly OT: The more I look at FPCC, the more I wonder if it wasn't a CIA creation from the get-go, set up to attract and catalog US Fidelistas.
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Delete, please,
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5 hours ago, Leslie Sharp said:
Interestng, Dave.
The problem I have with this diversion from the salient information presented in the initial thread is that we're diving into "conspiracy theories" — broad speculation instead of sticking with what we know in the specifics.
The assassination of John Kennedy in Dallas was a highly contained, compartmentalized operation involving carefully chosen individuals with requisite skill sets held together by the bond of loyalty developed since the war, with a common ideology as impetus. This was NOT a "military operation" by definition; it involved military trained individuals in league with non-military. It was NOT a military coup by definition.
The historical context presented in Spies, Killers, Soldiers, and Ideologues…
is essential to understanding the role Otto and Ilse Skorzeny played in Lancelot Project, the plan to assassinate Kennedy in Dallas. In one conversation with a Lafitte family member, Hank was told that Leon Degrelle held such anamosity toward Kennedy that he insisted on "chipping in" on the expense of the Dallas plot. Degrelle was not "military" at the time, nor was he serving in a military capacity. Let's please not use Albarelli's investigation to support a working theory filtered through confirmation bias, regardless of how sound the theory may be or how well-founded some of the research may be. The quest is to solve the cold case murder.I was answering Robert's proposition in terms of public image realpolitik, as I've seen it practiced in this country. This is my historical context. Tangential to the specifics of your concerns, I know, but not in any way a "using" of Alberelli's investigation.
I was really speaking in the future conditional to Robert. Sorry to offend any proprietary prerogative here insisted upon.
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6 hours ago, Robert Montenegro said:
Imagine, if you will, if the President of the Untied States of America (Trump or Biden, doesn't matter) interrupted all media to announce to the world, that yes, President Kennedy was murdered by functionaries of the Holocaust, with the help of Mafia narco-terrorists and anti-democratic émigré commandos, all protected and trained by elements of your National Security establishment and every administration for sixty years has been engaged in a massive conspiracy of silence that involves the judicial system from top to bottom, and the direct disinformation from every powerful news media outlet representing both ends of the political spectrum.
And then the President of the Untied States of America (Trump or Biden, doesn't matter) said the murder was for the benefit of an international clique of corporate fat cats that profited from slave labor during the Second World War.
I truly believe that before he could finish his speech, there would be riots in the streets and foreign advisories and domestic malcontents would make immediate advancements to take over the United States, in the sure to be, ensuing civil war.
Just a nightmare scenario that I've been spitballing around in my head for a hot minute...
It would be blamed on "rogue CIA," and never cross that line. Certainly not into territory that would inculpate foreign countries. Then there would be a "sweeping" intelligence community reform, planned in advance like the Patriot Act. They'd lose the CIA "brand."
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This morning's news - hate going back years:
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1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:
Just talking out loud here---could not a bullet pass through the lower rear of JFK's skull, do cerebellum damage, then go on to exit from the throat?
Would JFK's arms be able to fly up after a cerebellar through-and-through?
Connally's defensive motions at the time of the throat wound suggest a frontal shot flew past JBC.
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Delete, duplicate post. Damn.
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On 5/21/2023 at 7:43 AM, Joe Bauer said:
And as far as General Lansdale not wearing a ring...I'd like to look back at some of the other photos of him to verify that proposition.
Seeing the photo and film above, a question that we seldom consider rises.
Where is this man going?
Walking westward and beneath the TSBD, past the gates on Elm Street Extension (my term), later in the afternoon, here are some of his options:
The parking lot
The loading dock
The rail yard
A view of the rear of the pergola
Where to, and why?
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...preposterous nonsense such as the CIA murdering Dorothy Hunt (and dozens of innocent people for no reason…).
From the Weissman book, and discussed in other sources:
That week there had been a gas-pipeline lobbyists' conference
held in conjunction with an American Bar Association meeting
in Washington, D.C. Among those attending were Ralph
Blodgett and James W. Kreuger, both attorneys for Northern
Natural Gas Company of Omaha, Nebraska. Other associates
with them on the plane were Lon Bayer, attorney for Kansas-
Nebraska Natural Gas Company, and Wilbur Erickson, president
of the Federal Land Bank of Omaha.
Three months prior to this Washington meeting, some officials
of Northern Natural Gas Company and its subsidiaries,
including the mayor of Hammond, Indiana, and city officials of
East Chicago, Indiana, had come under federal criminal indictment
in Omaha, Nebraska; Chicago, Illinois; and Hammond,
Indiana. The charge was bribery of local officials in northwest
Indiana and Illinois, for the purpose of securing contracts to put
through a multi-million-dollar pipeline system.
Their corporate destiny at stake, Northern fought back:
against the indictments they pitted the "Mitchell Papers." These
blackmail documents purported to reveal illegal acts of conspiracy
between former Attorney General John Mitchell and the
Justice Department with Northern's fiercest competitor, El Paso
Natural Gas Company, along the lines of the ITT scandal.
In 1969, the Justice Department, then headed by Attorney
General Mitchell, had dropped pending anti-trust charges against
El Paso. And it was not until approximately three years after
this fact, in March 1973, that a spokesman for Mitchell belatedly
claimed that Attorney General Mitchell had "disqualified"
himself from that 1969 decision because, admittedly,
his law firm did represent El Paso Natural Gas Company. But
the main results, and collusion, of that 1969 decision had long
since transcended the belated, unsubstantiated Mitchell dis-
claimer:1. The charges against El Paso had been dropped.
2. Almost simultaneously, John Mitchell, through a law partner
as nominee, received stock interest in El Paso.
3. El Paso was later to contribute heavily to Mitchell's Committee
to Re-Elect the President.
4. The favorable decision to drop anti-trust charges was
worth an estimated $300 million to El Paso.*
Northern's legal hatchetmen boarded Flight 553, though they
had previously been warned that they would never live to reach
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22 hours ago, Paul Rigby said:
Good to be reminded of Oglesby's piece.
Also well worth a look is Barbara Morris Freed's chapter on Flight 553 within the Steve Weissman-edited anthology Big Brother and the Holding Company: The World Behind Watergate (Ramparts Press, 1974):
https://archive.org/details/bigbrotherholdi00weis/page/n5/mode/2up
Sidebar for the interested: Steve Weissman, editor of the volume referred to, was a contributor to the book, The CIA in Western Europe (1982), which I can only locate in a German-language version.
Author(s): Günter Neuberger; Michael Opperskalski; Yiannis Roubatis; Murray Waas; Steve Weissman; Karen Wynn; John Marks; Philip Agee
Publisher: Lamuv Verlag, Year: 1982
ISBN: 3921521599,9783921521595
https://archive.org/details/cia-in-westeuropa/page/14/mode/2up
Weissman also wrote What Really Happened in Congo: The CIA, the Murder of Lumumba, and the Rise of Mobutu, available as a 2014 audiobook.
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The good news: nobody's resurrecting Ronald Reagan.
Huh? Anyone Remember This? Arson at TSBD?
in JFK Assassination Debate
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Also to help efface assassination landmarks from the plaza. Or to get rid of a building that had become a white elephant for tenant rentals? (You know - like the WTC.)