David Andrews

"Later in 1946. Clark fired his domestic Nazi hunting assistant Atty. General O. John Rogge...and then buried Rogge's report on his dramatic interrogations of Goring and Ribbentrop at Nuremberg, dealing with the collaboration of US business and political leaders with the Nazi regime...." Does any copy of Rogge's report survive, readable today?

A thought: since we don't know for certain when the Mannlicher-Carcano was found in the TSBD (what with tales of Mausers and Enfields, and discrepant DPD "discovery" photos)...could this off-zero rifle in the Dal-Tex be that same mail-order Mannlicher rifle, later "found" in the TSBD? Any tunnels from the TSBD to the Dal-Tex? Just sayin', is all... Who says we don't have good threads anymore?

Do a study on Mitch WerBell. I'd like to see a second opinion.

Does anybody watch shows about modern sniping on The Military Channel, like Top Sniper or Weaponology? There seems to be a bunch of these shows lately, I guess because everybody would like to kill somebody in this recession. Has anybody seen any good historical material there on period suppressors? P. S. Bob, all - notice in the Hughes film, just after the right turn onto Houston, how Kennedy leans left to talk to Jackie, who is facing him at the moment. It may be useful to compare body movements and "body language" between the two turns. Anyways...do we now have more fertile ground for speculation as to why the turn is missing in Zapruder?

Weren't there any witnesses at the east corner of Elm who recalled any movement by JFK, as is conveniently missing from Towner and the other film? I don't see anything in any film that shows Greer nearly hitting the curb. There were people standing there, and that would have caused a ripple in the crowd. There are plenty of YouTube videos showing cars veering toward unsuspecting bystanders to compare reactions with. I think Greer misperceived which street he was supposed to turn down and had to correct at the last second, which would have been a couple feet later than if he had not made his mistake. Locals in the crowd probably did a silent "Oops!" in their heads, knowing what almost happened. But do we see anyone in the crowd reacting with any concern in Towner? Kennedy seems the only person fazed by by any part of the turn...we'll never really know if he's reacting to a missed shot, or if he gave a little "Oops!" at the short turn himself, feeling the way one does when one misses a step on the stairs. Any bets on whether JFK's dropped wave is a reaction to a pavement hit, or to the short turn? Either way, it's a significant moment that deserves exploration, and I'm glad Bob Harris brought it up.

What would have kept a conspirator from tossing a single firecracker from a window or roof near Houston and Elm, just to condition the crowd or loyal SS to other small explosions to follow? That said, I appreciated Bob Harris' video very much.

I'm sure it's not Sturgis, but that it is whom most people think it is. Maybe Oliver Stone asked one of the stars of Natural Born Killers and got that clarified - wish I knew if that ever happened.

I don't believe the KGB killed JFK. But could "Oswald" be KGB? That might be the limit of the limited hangout in Sturgis's interview. (I wrote "Liddy" above, and corrected it.) Could some of the KGB guys that Richard Case Nagell knew have not wanted "Oswald" set up as either an assassin or a fall guy while playing on both sides of the fence? It's always worth looking at Nagell. He evaded and obfuscated, but I doubt he lied. Why the evidence of Oswald grave tampering after the 1960s? I doubt the real LHO was killed along with any false one.

Can we rule out the thought that the utility of the DPD Oswald as patsy* was that not only had he been sheep-dipped as a Castroite, but that there was a deep-cover identity to be exposed if a two-hemisphere war was wanted? Can we rule out the idea that the theater arrest was an actual escape rendezvous pre-empted by another group that controlled DPD, a group with perhaps a different relation to the assassination than we suppose? Is it possible that some of the antipathy Americans felt upon seeing photos and film of "Oswald" was an aversion to eastern looks and perceived foreign mannerisms? Did he seem, uncomfortably, to be even more of an "enemy within" than eventually was vouched for?** Are there deeper reasons for that Mona Lisa smirk, beyond his US intel connections? Was he JFK's enemy? It's useful to consider a KGB Oswald in relation to Richard C. Nagell's perceptions of Oswald in the Dick Russell's book, and in relation to any evidence of "Oswald" warning the FBI or other intel org in advance of Dallas. *Patsy is still the word, despite Sturgis's statement that KGB was on the knoll. **Is typological examination part of the consideration of the photographic record?

I feel that a moon hoax is not a sideshow, but an unexplored political area. A non-landing brings up NASA budget questions. What was the covert relation between NASA and the DOD? Was NASA a money launderer for Defense or intel projects? If they didn't spend it on the lunar surface...where did it go, and what other funding went with it?

One thing that's struck me over the years is that the DPD infiltration of the theater and the searching of a broad field of other subjects, upstairs and down, before approaching "Oswald" seems calculated to have put as much anxiety into their quarry as possible. It's as if they wanted to ratchet up a panic in which he could have been killed. Sometimes the character of the narrative we choose tells us some truth about the "story" of an event. All the suspense imbued upon this arrest by period journalists and Jim Bishop types seems to have been as deliberate in the actions of the DPD as it was in the later re-telling.

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Let us render unto Kennedy the things that are Kennedy's, and render unto general hotness the things that are generally hot.

Devil's Advocate: It might have put Oswald's fingerprints in a lot of inculpatory places, as if he had been stalking JFK.

The Defense Intelligence Agency should definitely be examined more closely as a facilitator on the ground in Dallas and DC - if, like CIA. not as an authorizer.

I'd very much like to read the incomplete Lewis/Jack London novel. It would be an interesting artifact of America's turn-of-the-century rise. As I understand it, the plot turns on the US exploiting the 18th-century European trend of anarchist assassinations of heads of state. (That pigeonhole into which Oswald was forced.) It might stand alongside another political artifact, Joseph Conrad's 1907 The Secret Agent, a fictionalization of the 1894 Greenwich Park bombing, in which a czarist/anarchist double agent attempts to explode the Observatory. It's analagous to the WTC situation in more than one way, including Conrad's handling of the investigation. The book is brief, the prose is modern, and everybody here would get something out of reading it. Interesting, too, that the publisher of the 1962 Robert L. Fish reanimation of The Assassination Bureau, Ltd. would have preferred a bureau set in Russia - as, of course, that couldn't happen here.

Now that's scary, John....

I have seen Goliath defined as it is above in several threads on this Forum. An odd monicker for the Agency to stick itself with, considering how the Old Testament character ends up.

People are no doubt familiar with William Weston's article, based on DPD personnel memories, one of which (Sgt. Gerald Hill's) plants the meme that Oswald had copped to "carry[ing] a pistol in a movie": http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_...sue/weston.html I had been wondering if there was anything Oswald had said on record to confirm or deny, construeably.

As I should have said, "Did any recording capture Oswald saying..." Obviously the hallway and press conference statements would be the only records of what he said in custody. I couldn't recall any recorded remark disowning the gun, unusual since that would be the first line of defense by any unarmed man. One of the most valuable books anybody could write would be a cross referencing of provable Oswald statements with the assassination weekend jaw-flapping of DPD, Henry Wade, et al., together with any facts that could contradict Dallas justice and WC witnesses.

Remind me - did Oswald say anything that can be construed as a notice that DPD tried to plant a pistol on him at the theatre?

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On the upside - if Darrow had lived to take the case, Spencer Tracy might have played him in two movies...

Darrow comes out of the Progressive strain of American thought, at its most competitive in politics in the early part of the decade that JFK was born, until subverted by Woodrow Wilson, and lost in WW I, the "Return to Normalcy" under Harding-Coolidge, the stock market swindle, and the Depression. So there's a certain epistemological justice in the thought, assuming Darrow wouldn't go for a similar defense, socially-minded but decidedly last-ditch, as he did for Leopold and Loeb. That would have buried LHO's identity and involvements for all time, like Percy Foreman did for James Earl Ray's. Would Darrow have lived up to his reputation as the Mencken of the bar? Or would he have made a sentimental, anti-Nietzschean lone nut out of Oswald, just to save his life? That would have put Oswald, or "Oswald," into Sirhan's shoes: on ice for further study that somehow is never allowed.

TV network logistics can be weird. Sometimes they're happy to compete with a movie or with another network's show, and sometimes not, with dubious justification. Either HBO or Showtime (SHO) had optioned the rights to Don DeLillo's conspiracy-friendly 1980s novel on LHO, Libra, but the project was back-burnered when Oliver Stone's JFK went into production, and then allowed to wither away. If the cable network kept renewing its yearly option on the book, and the author kept accepting in good faith - this may have tied off a film of Libra for some time, until interest in the book by other producers waned.