Dean Hagerman

Lindbergh vs Nungesser and Coli

"Would fare", not "would fair".

Will I have to correct your bad spelling all the time ?

You are as bad at English as you are at weighing evidence !

/François Carlier/

Is that all you got?

You think because your some weird hybrid French Grammar Nazi that anyone cares?

You are a NOBODY

You are a NOTHING

You know I know it and every forum member knows it

Remember Francois Coli, you are a failure

Now reply and fix all my spellings and grammar you stooge

DiEugenio has NO chance !

So I take it you have never listened to Jim DiEugenio hammer Paul Nolan (aka John McAdams)?

What makes you think Von Pein would fair any better?

BTW, I will agree to Fairlie's proposal. Will you?

Not unless the number of questions we each get to ask is increased.

5 or 10 questions isn't nearly enough. I need at least 30 in order to pummel you incessantly with each major piece of evidence against your favorite "patsy" that you will be forced to say is fake.

If one of those 30 questions involves Mexico City, the FBI/CIA infiltration of the FPCC, and Oswald's 201 file, I will look forward to it.

DVP just shook with fear at the thought of trying to defend those three topics that Lee just posted

I'd love to plug my JFK blogs into this site:

I do not believe a shot occured at frame 285

Dean, would you agree that Mrs. Connally at least thought she heard a shot between the time she saw JFK react and the explosive head wound, and that she spun around to tend to her husband, beginning at 291-292?

And would you agree that she reacted at the same time that Mrs. Kennedy, Kellerman, and Greer reacted?

No and No

This is the worst thread I have ever seen in my entire life

A very perceptive observation that few make...OSWALD WAS DOUBLE-CROSSED by his sponsors. This is a crucial element of the plot.

Jack

Spot on Jack

I do not believe a shot occured at frame 285

Though I do believe Aynesworth when he says that Oswald's room had curtain rods, which proves that he took the rifle to work that day instead of curtain rods and used it to kill the President.

BUMP; For Martin, Bernie and Dean to have a look through and maybe resurrect the thread?

Lee

Thanks for the bump Lee

But the real question is this Dean, did he go and get "his" gun? You have to believe the same type of evidence that was produced concerning him ordering the rifle to believe he also ordered the revolver.

Lee,

Surely, though, the difference is that Oswald had the revolver on him when he was arrested?

That depends on what you believe happened in the theater Martin.

P.S. That's to you too, Dean. Only just saw what you wrote in reply to Martin.

Lee

I open to the possibility that a gun could have been planted

Its just my opinion that Oswald owned/borrowed a revolver and went home to get it to protect himself from being silenced

As we all know Ruby silenced Oswald forever...

But the real question is this Dean, did he go and get "his" gun? You have to believe the same type of evidence that was produced concerning him ordering the rifle to believe he also ordered the revolver.

Lee,

Surely, though, the difference is that Oswald had the revolver on him when he was arrested?

You took the words right out of my mouth Martin

Dean, I think many somewhere inside feel this is somehow so. I'm perhaps presumptious to state it worthy of consideration and various shifts in perspective made.

Trust me at first I thought he was 100% not involved, but as time went on the same questions kept bugging me

I think to myself, would I go home and grab my gun if I didnt do anything? No

Would I go home and grab my gun if I figured out that I had been set up because I had been involved in a plot as a small player? Yes, because I would be scared for my life

Thats why I think LHO killed Tippet, because he could trust nobody and was scared for his life

I think that when Tippet pulled up to the curb and called out to Oswald that LHO said to himself this is it, this cop is going to kill me, so LHO got the draw on Tippet and killed him

Oswald had to be involved at a low level in the plot

He was set up to take the fall, and after JFK was killed he knew he was a dead man

I've never read you asking this q so I haven't answered. He was a patsy. He was a kid playing with the big boys and they ate him up and spat him out. I think his reactions were those of the dawning of a reality for a very bright young man.

He never made a decision to kill Kennedy. He made profiled led by the nose actions beyond his control. He survived capture and had some belief that he would have his say, so his primary concern was to get arrested alive and then live on his wits. He got a good hiding and was continually experiencing interrogation techniques from simple ones like good cop-bad cop to various psychic shocks so he would have been fairly hopeful and pliable at the end when he could speak no more and he spoke little in the time available to him. Perhaps a vague carrot had been dangled in front of him and he needed to believe in it. Or he was very conscious of what was happening and when they caught him off guard he quickly reasserted himself. He would only do this if he felt that there was a future for him. Beaten, but not cowed.

I feel the same way about Oswald as you do John

Jim killed Paul Nolan in this debate

If I was a friend of Paul Nolan I would be embarrassed to post this

Thats fine with me, You are the one looking silly and very afraid.

I dont think so, and im sure 99% of the members and guests dont think so either Craig

However, even if these de-blurring techniques were available and practical in 1963 as you posit, then that supports the possibility of alteration being available with 1963 technology.

Very true

I hate irony, fortunately my wife doesn't mind it so I do the cooking and she does the irony.

Are you afraid to show the exact comparisons?

Of course im afraid to show exact comparisons because I never claimed exact comparisons

If we keep going at this in a week from now your going to be quoting me as saying that the people who worked on Mary Poppins are the same ones that worked on the Z-film, or that I claimed to have witnessed Julie Andrews in bed with Dick Van Dyke

The longer this kind of thread goes on the more ludicrous your demands and quotes become

I didnt mean to type claims, I meant anomalies

Im sure you could have figured out what I meant Craig

So what are the anomolies? What are the anomolies?

Show us, Your claim, your proof.

Just show us Dean.

What's the problem?

The problem is that im not going to bow down to your crazy demands to scan and post pages out of a book that YOU OWN!

Read that sentence a couple times and let it sink in

How can we know WHAT claims you are making if you can't SHOW us what those claim are?

Who is we and us?

Dont you mean you and yourself

You can see those claims by reaching into your bookshelf

Whats wrong? Do you have two broken arms and legs? Are you afraid you might open up TGZFH and agree with it?

WHAT CLAIMS? WHAT CLAIMS? WHAT CLAIMS?

YOU said:

"we see some of the same kinds of anomalies in the Z-film"

WHAT ANOMOLIES?

WHAT ANOMILIES?

Your claim, your proof.

Chicken? Cluck Cluck

I didnt mean to type claims, I meant anomalies

Im sure you could have figured out what I meant Craig

How can we know WHAT claims you are making if you can't SHOW us what those claim are?

Who is we and us?

Dont you mean you and yourself

You can see those claims by reaching into your bookshelf

Whats wrong? Do you have two broken arms and legs? Are you afraid you might open up TGZFH and agree with it?

jimmy (read the report...I don't need to READ the report) d, and cliffy (i don't know how the SUN works) varnell.

Craig your killing me, im gonna have a stroke if I keep laughing like this

Why not quit laughing and post those artifacts in Z that are like Mary Poppins...

Again why post it when all you have to do is reach into your bookshelf and then read?

You are the only one asking Craig

jimmy (read the report...I don't need to READ the report) d, and cliffy (i don't know how the SUN works) varnell.

Craig your killing me, im gonna have a stroke if I keep laughing like this