Dean Hagerman

Its to hard to tell without a side view of Ron Lewis

A large and fascinating collection of historical photos. The website is well-organized and very easy to navigate. Yes Jack your website is very nice, great vintage photos I found this awesome photo What kind of camera were you using Jack?

The fact that the 6th FM does not carry Crossfire is beyond lame Crossfire used to be my bible, I would carry it under my arm in High School like the bible thumpers would carry their bible

Good job Martin I know we have been talking about "woman and child" as of late Could this be like Ray said a bystander dropping to the ground? My opinion Martin is that it is woman and child dropping to the ground behind the wall after the shots I would like to add that the DVD JFK The Case For Conspiracy was the one in which Robert Groden shows the blowup and movement It is my favorite program on the assassination, lots of great stuff in it

Pat Those books that you listed as "conspiracy" books suck (except POTP, thats one of the best) Most of the books that the 6thFM should carry are OOP However all three of Fetzer and gangs books are avalible, but the way I see it Gary and company are too scared to carry those three books With them pushing the LNer theory theose 3 volumes might make 6th FL customers acually think for themselfs

My wife DVRed it for me I liked it just for the fact it was about the assassination But I agree with Pat, any popular show that features the assassination is a good thing to get people thinking about it

Right on Bernice Not only do I agree with you, but I stand behind you as well Dean

Someone posted it here yesterday. I'd like to know where it came from too. Didn't Duncan MacRae say he made it up? Or is it a still from Oliver Stone's JFK? BK Yes Duncan created this photo, its not real It was supposed to show woman and child laying on the ground and a figure standing up but kind of crouched over by the retaining wall to mimick BDM

Duncan...that is a very interesting photo of the cop looking at something! Any idea what he is looking at? Jack It's just a fake image I knocked up Jack. It represents the guy who ran up the steps covering and protecting his wife and child, the possible BDM. I just added the Policeman to make it a more realistic looking scene. Duncan Hi Duncan. Is it meant to show the woman and child lying down behind the wall, similar to the Newman's, and Hester's. ? "SPECULATION" only The gunfire starts, woman & child duck down on the ground behind the wall for protection. Running man looks around sees his family missing, and bolts up the steps ( as seen in Nix ) The family can't be seen in some of the other photo's because they are still lying down behind the wall. Look at the Newman's they were lying down flat on the ground for a LONG time, as can be seen in many photo's and films. NOW, if i can only find a photo of the family together after the assassination. that would seal the deal. Good call Robin I would call it Educated Speculation (like an educated guess) What you are saying is that you want to find the family in a film before the Darnell film that shows them correct? Im already behind you on this theory but if you find what you are looking for that will make this theory very strong Dean

This is BS, this guy should be banned Dont ever talk to Mr Healy like that Your a nobody You know nothing Living up to your own high expectations again. Thats right The real reason you are here is coming out now, at first your stupid sideways comments about alteration almost let you slide in under the door But your real reason is to attack Jack and others who believe in alteration Your not a researcher, your not a student of the assassination, you dont care about JFK or the crime at all Your last 5 posts have made that perfectly clear That's called fighting back. Like you're doing now. Nothing like hypocrisy in living color. So you think its ok to talk to David like that? Its not ok I was all for answering your questions and helping you with any research you might be doing up until you decided to insult David And David can defend himself, but im letting you know that I think its BS, and the only people on this forum that you target are alteratonits The fact that you attcked him like that shows me that you are here for one reason, to cause problems

She was Zappys assistant and the woman in the Z-film that you see talking on the phone and messing with clothes that Zappy filmed before the assassination

This is BS, this guy should be banned Dont ever talk to Mr Healy like that Your a nobody You know nothing Living up to your own high expectations again. Thats right The real reason you are here is coming out now, at first your stupid sideways comments about alteration almost let you slide in under the door But your real reason is to attack Jack and others who believe in alteration Your not a researcher, your not a student of the assassination, you dont care about JFK or the crime at all Your last 5 posts have made that perfectly clear

This is BS, this guy should be banned Dont ever talk to Mr Healy like that Your a nobody You know nothing

Thanks Todd I have seen the 6th FM copy many times and in fact just showed my grandpa a couple days ago as he had never seen the part with Lillian Hernandez Lillian Rogers I changed it I dont know why in the hell I wrote Hernandez?

Thanks Todd I have seen the 6th FM copy many times and in fact just showed my grandpa a couple days ago as he had never seen the part with Lillian Rogers

I got that Jack, thats why I said it was odd, im sure its not connected at all Im glad your wife was not hurt, I cant imagin being in your situation, but if I was I would want to make sure he didnt touch my wife at all, no matter what I had to do

You really believe that? Zany. If there was a conspiracy, for the perpetrators Jack White is a Godsend. The last thing they'd want to do is silence someone who is so way off the mark that he is in effect assisting in the cover up. Baker is really a good representative of the conspiracy. He would probably say that my $105,000 hospital bill was faked. That my deaf right ear can really hear, that my fractured skull does not leak c.s. fluid into my ear, and that I walk with a cane just for show instead of permanent vertigo. Well...nobody cares what Baker thinks. His unprovoked attacks show what kind of person he is. Shame on anyone so heartless. Jack Jack, I don't think anyone here is minimalizing the seriousness of the injuries that you suffered from the attack, or the long term complications. Those are horrible and I know that I have in the past and continue today to wish you only the best in dealing with those. What is being questioned is what appears to be your belief that the attacker, who I understand was a bare naked man who broke in looking for drugs/drug money and who in his escape crashed the car he was driving in a short distance away from your howm and was caught by the police, was in reality a hitman/intelligence operative/etc. who was on a mission to injure or kill you because of your work on the JFK case. Todd Todd...you are woefully misinformed. Your account is very similar to the false information spread by Gary Mack...except that he said the man was a negro. The man who broke in my house was white, with short curly hair, a round face, a body builder though only about 5'6" tall, and left handed. He was totally nude and came into the bedroom, jumped on my bed and started stabbing me with an ice pick. If I were to see him today, I would recognize him. The naked man had NO MOTIVE for breaking in at 5:15 on a Sunday morning. His only intent was to kill me. He was NOT LOOKING FOR DRUGS OR DRUG MONEY. He stole my car keys and drove away in my car. He abandoned it on the parking lot entrance at Channel 5, where Gary Mack worked. Being nude, I do not know how he managed, unless he had clothes stashed there. HE WAS NEVER ARRESTED. I have no knowledge of any intelligence connections he may have had, though that idea has been universally accepted by many researchers, including Mary Ferrell. At the time of the attack I was helping Oliver Stone in Dallas during JFK filming. Fletcher Prouty had recently warned me that "the CIA considered me the most dangerous researcher." I was left with a fractured skull and collapsed lung. I was in the hospital 24 days...4 in intensive care. I have no proof of any kind regarding the event. The intruder left one fingerprint on a window he broke to get in, but the police were never able to follow up on it. Jack Jack thank you for sharing the details of that horrible crime, im glad that you were not killed The fact that he dumped your car at Gary Macks work is very odd indeed I hope that one day (all though it sounds like the Police dont really care) the guy is caught and punished for trying to kill you Dean

I will take a look later today and see if I can find them

Todd is correct on page 26 of Trasks NNOSFOF shows the frame I posted and some smaller frames of one of Zappys grandkids Todd do you remember what issues of Argosy? I have two of the Argosy issues that discuss the Z-film but would have to dig them out

Jack I have never seen the A side, I do however have a frame dowloaded on my computer I wonder if Zapruder was just givin back that side of the film after it was cut? Or maybe the 6th FM got that side with all of the Zapruder stuff that was with the camera original I would love to see that part of the film as well

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the BDM subject Of course your theory is just as possible as the woman and child theory One thing is for sure, the BDM mystery is one that has always been in the back of my head no matter what research I am doing

Thanks for proving Len and Evan wrong Kathy That just shut down the whole Jack has never went back and admitted he was wrong deal

Thank you Jack for your valued opinion Anyone else see sunspot/sunlight? Or a mother and child?

Ok Len, sorry about that Its just I was the only one who had replied in Jacks defense before you made your post so I may have jumped the gun on reading to far into it My bad

Robin I dont think a sunspot would be shining off of the dull wood of the fence? However that is right in the area of where the two fences meet I am going to study the Willis and Betzner photos in detail today Thanks for your opinion and giving me something to look for Dean