Ian Kingsbury

I think the killing of RFK is just as murky as his brothers an 8 shot pistol and 14 bullet holes .No authority would touch Sirhan not even now I think it would just stir the pot. Altough it would be a fascinating study . James Earl Ray ditto

Maybe Bruce Willis as Fritz (in the white vest) and Charlie Sheen as Oswald and Rosie O'Donnell as Marina I am positive these tight lipped actors could stay within the script/!

FWIW, not if the sniper was crouched or prone What difference would that make if the person was in White's line of sight behind the banister? If prone, the person could be even more likely to be spotted, since his body would be extended westward. Ron: I apologize. I have spent a lot of time in the south knoll area and know that it was a great spot to be concealed but I do not know who Officer White (what is his first name) is and where he exactly was allegedly standing. Doug Weldon Patrolman J.C.White was stationed on the bridge/overpass at the west end during his testimony to the W.C. he said he did not see the shooting as a train was blocking his view at that very moment .I thought it was several minutes befroe a train passed over the bridge?

Obama has the man for the job of selling this to the public .........Sen.Arlen Specter

Its Duncan's monkey It looks to me to be a chimpanzee dressed as a human baby and the owner has a collection tin in his right hand If not I am off to specsavers

There maybe a civil list or maybe in the local papers some event attended by all? .Its certainly worth a look ,No doubt we would find Mr Byrd owner of the TSBD

Yes, Bill it smells to high heaven, and can not possibly be excused by the assumption of many that the DPD didn't know any better. They DID know better. So why did they screw-up so tragically? I suspect that at least part of this list was not a screw-up, but a cover story designed to hide what really happened. FWIW, the paper bag was supposedly never photographed by the DPD until it was sent BACK to the FBI on the 26th. The disappearance of the lunch sack containing the chicken bones, which WERE, if I recall, seen by the first officer on the scene, Mooney, is not as problematic, but is also interesting. I mean, if they assumed THIS bag was the lunch bag of the sniper, why didn't they forward it to the FBI for silver nitrate testing, as they did with a piece of wrapping paper they assumed top have held the rifle... I mean, what's the difference? So why the different treatment? I beleive that the paper bag appears in a photograph of items the DPD released to the FBI taken the night of the 22nd. I assume that a meeting was held with the DPD/secret service where Fritz/Curry were advised they will not be supplying the protection of the president of any kind . Who was present? .Were some of the unidentified SS men running interference? the SS? agent on the grassy knoll holding people back, The SS? agent that Craig gave his observations to .If the DPD were told they would not be needed for security, then after the shooting it would be up to the SS? to conduct and steer the investigation after all who would want to take the responsibilty on when you were'nt required in the first place .I think that the DPD took a step back and just became the foot soldiers for their controllers they gather the evidence and give it to the SS? we will take it from here.

Jack have any of these been cropped as the photographer appears to have missed his subjects ?

Bernice Thanks for the advice and assistance .I had spent most of my working life in a cold damp workshop or up on a roof in the elements ,This gives you a different perspective of view and of life .As you can imagine differences of opinion were settled in a vastly different way, and not always verbally. I think I should be able to handle it but if the going gets tough I will not rise to it and will seek a peaceful agreement, as there is so much hate in people I think that to add to it is unthinkable..Ian

The "If you don't like it don't read it" tactic has become nearly impossible lately as it has spread far and wide to many threads or you guys just start other threads arguing essentially the same things or find roundabout ways to insult each other. It used to not be "a fact of life" at this Forum. A person has to search far and wide to find threads that are not infected with your guys horse xxxx. Although I replied to Dean's post this reply is not directed to him or any one person but (as I stated originally) to those that continue to engage in endless debate where YOU KNOW YOU HAVE ZERO CHANCE of convincing the other camp. I stand by my original comment. You guys are ruining the Forum. I dont see very many members saying that we are ruining the forum I think debating what I believe in is a must do Again im not going to sit back and let the LNers and Anti-alterationists push me or my fellow researchers/students around Dean For what it's worth I thought I'd give my own thoughts concerning the forum and my introductory experiences upon joining: I put off becoming a member of this site for a number of years. I felt the discourse lacked civility and was filled with egotistical and reactionary posts from a wide variety of members and on a personal level I didn't know what my own reactions would be if I was faced with some of the tactics and rudeness that was prevalant. After finally "plucking up" the courage to request membership it took only 2-3 days for me to be accused of having some sort of sinister agenda. I was told in no uncertain terms that I was "wrong" on various points regarding what amount to "personal beliefs" about the assassination. I was warned off talking about certain topics through personal e-mails. I was insulted and pictures of my wife requested. If I expressed a view that didn't meet a specific individual's paradigm it was met with a hostile reactionary response that was ultimately contradicted through the "accusing" person's own behaviours. I ultimately became everything I abhor because I rose to a lot of this in the wrong way and used the same tactics. There is a sense of "right and wrong", black and white thinking that most members suffer from (including myself although I do try to challenge my own bundles of thoughts most of the time). There is little acceptance of others alternative perspectives. There is no investigation of a "third" way. It is a "community" of separation, division and deep rooted suspicion. Propositional "truth" or objective truth is mixed together with "interior truthfulness" and has resulted in the type of environment on the forum that the Warren Commission so carefully crafted in 1964 - muddied waters, mixed messages, conflicting theories, and suspected ulterior motives. Some of the closed-off thinking that exists is, ironically enough, the type of thinking that resulted in the "cold-war" firmly cementing itself into the consciousness of the people on opposing sides of "ideas." Wasn't this something that JFK fought so hard to unravel and was so brutally and barbarically murdered for on 11/22/63? The way "bundles of thoughts" are expressed and defended on this forum remind me of Gordon Allport's Scale of Prejudice model: 1. Antilocution - Bad mouthing and name calling 2. Avoidance - Refusing participation in the group, ignoring them 3. Discrimination - Using your power to create a disadvantage for an individual 4. Physical Violence - Toward the individual or their property 5. Genocide As you can see there are only five levels. Individuals on this forum use tactics that have climbed the first three rungs. I've heard that in certain "conferences" over the decades things have gotten so heated on occasion that the fourth level has almost manifested itself within the community. This is madness. My first couple of posts were a call for the community to come together on the issues that united them in "propositional truth" but it seems that other issues are more important right now and the endless "debate" that has been going on for decades around these issues continues unabated. I wholeheartedly agree with Justin. There are people that come to this forum to learn more about the assassination - to present their own ideas and let others who perhaps know more concerning certain topics help them develop their ideas into a more rounded "interior understanding" of events. I am someone who has a medium level understanding of the assassination. I have gone after the testimony as my main area of interest and try to use that testimony to develop my own ideas of what happened. After spending a month on the forum, I must admit that I feel quite deflated with the "conspiracy" community as a whole and have moments where I wish I didn't join. I hope everyone understands that my thoughts expressed above are actually coming from a good place and not intended to "have a go" at any one individual but it is nevertheless a true and accurate reflection of my own personal experiences over the last 6-8 weeks. I must also say thanks to Pat Speer and Michael Hogan publicly for their calm and persuasive feedback that helped me create some space for myself whilst posting. Lee I agree with you on this Lee .This is my first post although I have been reading the forum for a while now.When I first came here the topics were lively and the research value was excellent.But as the AARB material started to filter through and Doug Horne became more vocal there appeared to be a change in attitude and the personal attacks more profound .I am not an educator but I do enjoy learning the rest of this site is incredible and there is much to be gleaned from it .But please lets get back to the research and leave the personal stuff where it belongs.. Ian

My name is Ian Keith Kingsbury I am 53 years old. Have been a stonemason for nearly thirty years. I have an engineering background/education (engine builder). I was born in Watford and have been interested in this case since the day my mother told me very sadly that JFK had been killed by the time RFK and MLK were killed I was hooked. My main reason for joining the Ed forum is mainly for the great photographic work done by Robin and Martin and also Bernice's collection we do not always get the same items here at Duncan's site. I do not think I will be posting much as the topics here are tend to run along different themes. But as the photographic evidence is going to be the way to illustrate to others what happened I think it would be a shame to miss out on all of the work done everywhere.