Ian Kingsbury

Chris I can see You and Tom have put a lot into this and it is appreciated by many. Would this indicate the cut in the towner film to be non_accidental?. And the timing between the shots remains the same Just 30 feet further down Elm?.Would this also tell us why the wound ballistics are so confusing as to the angle of entrance ,with JBC and JFK leaning way over to the left and not in an upright position to recieve the wounds makes a bit more sense of the impact orientations. I wish I paid more attention to math all those years ago. Ian

Robin Looks like you could fit a sniper on top of the clean van ?. Ian

In his statement Clint Hill says" there was a second shot I did not hear"What if that was the head shot ? and another shot occured after that as in Brehms statement " after the second shot hit the head" would indicate a shot after "313" Doug Horne whilst discussing the presentation boards( cant remember which set)that the FBI agents stated that 6 - 8 shots could have been fired.If the W.C. admits to 3 shots they must be playing around with the sequence.I do not believe the "313" head shot was the last .And it appears that Clint Hill was told their was a second shot while he was in between the Queen mary and the limo, and the head shot "313" occurred as he got there.and as it has been displayed that Altgens was foggy about his testimony.So once again we have the age old problem of witness testimonies or our Lyin eyes. We are being told in testimony of many events occurring at the time and just after the shooting we tend to believe our eyes because its there in front of us .Chaney's forward ride for example .If you follow the testimony we should be looking at a completely different film or are we?. Ian

I could not get it to download. Jack Full disclosure: I looked at the preview, planning to download later. I have the other version Robin put up recently. Perhaps like Jack, the typed-in code words didn't work for me. Has anyone ever plotted Altgens' position against the Z-frames following the Stemmons sign, to see if the distance traveled/number of frames between the Stemmons sign and frame 313 Z-film corresponds to the spatial representation in Altgens 6? I ask because - though I know focal length and ground declination and other perspectival-technical issues are involved - it seems odd to see the Brehm-Hill-Moorman shadows so close to the limo in Altgens 6. ADD: It seems odd that the shadows are so near the curve in the south side curb in Altgens. And then when you look at Zapruder, the "sea of green" lawn between the sign and Hill-Moorman seems even more impossibly long in duration (= frames) than one suspected it was before. David Chris Davidson has found some anomalies here and at Duncans forum0Robin thanks yet again for your time and efforts Ian

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=4272&relPageId=29 What was actually surveyed in was Z168. CE884 was changed to make it appear as if Z161 was what was surveyed in. I will get back to you on "Station C" as soon as I dig out the survey notes & the full sized copy of the WC Survey Plat. Which, by the way, clearly shows "Station "A"" marked on it. http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0464a.htm That "first line" as drawn from the sixth floor window of the TSDB to Elm St., goes to "STATION A", which portion of the WC Survey Plat I long ago posted here. Thanks Tom, The 40ft difference threw me off for a while, as the original distance from Station C to Position A was stated as 44ft. But on CE884, between frame 161 and 166 there is a distance of approx 1ft traveled. (An adjustment no where close to a steady 11 mph). Since Spector was keeping the speed consistent, I looked for a distance traveled among 2 other sets of frames 5 apart. The difference between frame 235 and 240 is 5.5ft. A difference of 4.5ft. Added back to the 40ft =44.5ft, which gets us back closely to the original 44ft mark. chris Chris Would this account for the Altgens 6 differences you pointed out before?. If you remember it was difficult to find an unmolested version. Thanks Ian

Brehm indicated a shot after "313" the head shot small wonder not called to testify .just jie or ignore seemed to be the maxim applied .Oswald anyway you like as long as its Oswald.

In the GIF sequence of Nix, I can clearly see a man shooting Kennedy with a rifle from the grassy knoll. He's above that white thing no one knows what it is. Just as Kennedy was right before him. He doesn't disappear after the head shot. Arrogance! I can also see a figure in the Pergola and by the pycanthia bush. I see a number of figures in the grassy knoll. As for the guy in the front behind that thing, you can see him focus and shoot John Kennedy. I wonder if someone can zoom in on that man. In the Rickerby photo there is no Stemmons Freeway sign that blocked the shot from the front. In the Bond photo you can see it. These photos were taken at about the same time after the shooting. What happened to the sign? Kathy C Kathy I am trying to make sense of this and it appears that Brehm was aware of a shot after the (313) head shot, BREHM said when the President was hit by the second shot, he could notice the President's hair fly up, and then roll over to his side, as Mrs. KENNEDY was apparently pulling him in that direction. Altgens seems to fluff his lines when giving his description as well these were probably the closest to the shooting apart from Umbrella man and DCM . As for your man behind the fence have you seen this great piece of work by Rick Needham http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,414.0.html Ian

If you watched it, you see that in every speech, he emphasized the word PEACE. The MilIndComp needs WARS to keep them in business. Jack Yes. The danger of allowing the Military-Industrial Complex to create/promulgate the illusion justifying the "necessity for war" is what Eisenhower only "hinted at" in his farewell address. But, IMO, Ike had already gone past the point of no return...he'd been compromised to a degree by then. He nonetheless warned us in advance. By contrast, JFK was set on peace going into it. Why not? War hadn't worked so far... John Lennon: "All we are saying, is give peace a chance..." -- and they killed him too... There was a brief clip where Eisenhower remarked: "No. As I said, I know the American people will stand solid and they will not be stampeded." This was said when he was replying to reporters about the murder of President Kennedy. It appears at the very end of this YouTube clip: Some other quotes by Eisenhower on war: "We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security." "War settles nothing." "Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative." "When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war." "There is no glory in battle worth the blood it costs." "I think that people want peace so much that one of these days government had better get out of their way and let them have it." "I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity." "How far can you go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without?" "Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing." Wonderful quotes from Ike! Summing up his campaign slogan, I LIKE IKE. Jack Jack I pointed this out to DVP a while back and he told me the this presentation is lies and speculation .It is also one of the only representations of the Kilduff Head point that has not been erased according to DVP for editing purposes. thanks for bringing it back up Ian

Why would he want to put it on any of his sites? The show was pure junk with nothing new to offer, whether you're a CT or a LN. For reference purposes, the whole show can be seen here. Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theory Perhaps VB was trying to display his open-mindedness?.

Was this based on the S.S. re-enactment or FBI timing of the shooting because theres a big difference between the two including a shot after the head shot?.

John Found this interesting maybe you will?. Postal Reorganization Act In May 1969, four months after he became a member of President Richard Nixon's Cabinet, Postmaster General Winton M. Blount proposed a basic reorganization of the Post Office Department. The President asked Congress to pass the Postal Service Act of 1963, calling for removal of the Postmaster General from the Cabinet and creation of a self-supporting postal corporation wholly owned by the federal government. On March 12, 1970, after extensive hearings, the House Post Office Committee reported a compromise measure containing postal reform provisions similar to those proposed by the President and providing a pay increase for postal employees, but postal employees called it "too little, too late." Six days later, a postal work stoppage began and ultimately involved approximately 152,000 postal employees in 671 locations. The Postmaster General agreed to negotiate with the seven exclusively recognized unions upon the employees' return to work. Consequently, the employees went back on the job, and negotiations began on March 25. On April 2, the negotiating parties announced they had agreed to recommend to Congress a general wage increase of six percent, retroactive to December 27, 1963, for all federal employees, plus an additional eight percent increase for postal workers that would take effect if the parties could agree on legislation reorganizing the Post Office Department and if the legislation could be enacted. Management and the unions agreed to develop jointly a reorganization plan and, on April 16, 1970, announced agreement on such a plan. The agreement was embodied in a legislative proposal and sent to Congress by President Nixon. The proposal included four basic provisions enunciated earlier by the Postmaster General as necessary to reform the postal system: adequate financing authority; removal of the system from politics, assuring continuity of management; collective bargaining between postal management and employees; and the Postal Service's setting rates after an opportunity for hearings before an impartial rate panel. In addition to the eight percent pay increase for postal employees, the bill provided for negotiation of a new wage schedule so employees could reach the maximum step in grade after no more than 8 years, instead of 21 years. On August 3, by a roll call vote of 57 to 7, the Senate approved the conference report on House Resolution 17070, a modified version of the legislation proposed by the President; three days later, the House of Representatives approved it. On August 12, 1970, President Nixon signed into law the most comprehensive postal legislation since the founding of the Republic, Public Law 91-375.

John I call these the facilitators they had or were of service in their own particular capacity and could not wait to "serve" Usually just a jobsworth or busybody till called into "Action" .I would put Shelley in this catagory. How's the weather down there? , Its cold and wet here,No change there. Ian

Hi Tom. Many of the scans on the fotopic site including that one, were taken from my image galleries. That is why he has Credited me on his website. NA013009.jpg was the original name given to it by Corbis, when i purchased the image and downloaded it. unfortunately, that Corbis copy does not have a very good resolution near the doorway area, it is not as sharp as i would like it to be. Cheers. Robin. Robin Is it my eyes or does Lovelady have a deformed left shoulder .I can see a portly chap behind dark suit, hat and white shirt . Ian

Dave Please tell me you are not playing the old "DUMB OLE DPD" card are you serious?. Ian

Thanks for posting my article Jim, And for posting so many other good reserachers and critics of the official party line and reviews of books that cover both sides. It's a shame DVP doesn't read conspiracy books, or we could have an intelligent conversation with him. Bill Kelly Bill I read the levanthal Piece and now that the page has been suspended maybe he is writing part 2 as we speak informing us how to deal with part 1 The disinformation.I personally find it strange that a government would have such a department and also inform us it has such a department what would Winston Smith have made of this ?. Ian

David! Stop eating Lee! Dave only eats chicken that he has slaughtered himself

Gil Thanks for taking the time .Bookmarking it now. Ian

The fact that JFK came to Oswald made it too irresistible for LHO. No way he could pass up that golden chance. The assassination was served up to Ozzie on a silver platter. Conspiracy theorists, though, think it was a fake or contrived silver platter, designed to frame the pawn (Oswald). But what most CTers never talk about is the fact that their "pawn" named Oswald had murder flowing through his very own veins as surely as night follows day--and the Walker shooting is proof of that fact. It's much better, however, for the conspiracists to ignore or distort the Walker shooting. Because if they start analyzing the true inner character of their so-called patsy, they'd begin to realize that Oswald had it within HIMSELF to kill people with rifles in 1963. And that type of realization makes it much, much more difficult to treat Lee Oswald as a mere bystander (or "pawn" or "patsy") to the events of November 22nd. Dave So why did he not kill anyone in 1962 or 61 or 59 or at any other time?.Nobody would have missed another Russian surely.And if you are convinced he took a shot at Walker why was he not on some "dangerous individual list"to alert the authorities to possible murderous nuts in the vicinity of the President and entourage?. Ian

No I didnt that was a mistake on my part. Were talking about the Kennedy family and there was a reference to Marina. My mistake. What's the point discussing "old money" versus "new money".It's irrelevant! The real question is who are the sponsors behind the Kennedy political dynasty? Joe Kennedy was a bootlegger involved with Meyer Lansky and the Bronfman gang. He got the distribution rights to Dewars, Haig, etc. from the British. His acquisition of RKO studios also came from British aristocracy. Then the old boy married his daughter into the "Cecil" family. You can't find a more oligarchical clan then the Cecil's. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,850493,00.html You have Robert Morrow blabbing about the "CIA" Mockingbird operation totally oblivious to the fact that Lazard had purchased the Washington Post back in the mid 1930's while they were also the trustee's of the Kennedy family fortune. And keep in mind it was a fortune derived from criminal activity. The irony of this entire mess is amazing. The same interests that groomed the Kennedy family, cleaned them up and presented them as this liberal wonderkin were also the very same people that pulled the plug. That engineered the assassination(s). Look at this. The Skybolt Missile Crsis. It is but one indication of the breach between Kennedy and the British. JFK was breaking with the "Special Relationship" in favor of an FDR approach. http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/55664/philip-zelikow/report-to-jfk-the-skybolt-crisis-in-perspective Terry Most "Kings " do not become so by employing diplomacy and tact .It is usually thier sword (metaphorically) that cements thier fate .The diplomacy and tact comes from those they employ to smooth the politicains and placate the masses.The Kennedy dynasty were very outward looking , Young and handsome with a family appeal ,Thats what made the crime so abhorent to many.Not just a life cut short it was the whole family that suffered and America along with it .IOW if a"Bush" was shot how many would grieve?. Do you think the U.S. would suffer the same amount of loss as with JFK?. Ian

Bobby was coming apart at the seams after the death of his brother.But rallied later on when going for the presidency.this being cut short by the same horror .Teddy had his hands tied by chappaquidick(which I think was an attempt on him)Then just to put a cap on it John Junior dies in a suspicious way .I believe the family that was left made a decision to accept defeat and leave things well alone .Here in the U.K. we have the Guinness family another very rich but unforunate family who suffered tragedy after tragedy they now seem to just shrunk back into the countryside and live peacefully .Our own royal family has suffered through terrorism but as they are the face of the country they maintain the stiff upper lip and carry on I guess this is what dynasties do they survive maybe one day to attempt to put right the wrongs of the past.

John Thanks for replying .I use a Mac and will have to find a piece of freeware to do this myself . I am looking for a chap named Gator who lost 1 or 2 fingers who was supposedly on the plane with Plumlee and his assassination "abort " Team .I was led to believe that DCM was Fillipe Vidal Santiago and Umbrella man Was possibly a man called Roy Hargeaves apparently they had a few "missions" under thier belts together.I can't go for the DeWitt evidence as this would indicate alteration of the Zfilm, DeWitt says he was messing with his umbrella while it all happened and the Zfilm clearly shows this to be untrue.And the excuse for the umbrella seems to me uneasy their must have been many up to date slogans the guy could have put on a placard to embaress JFK and he picks something from the war years when the U.S.A. and U.K were much closer allies.this does not make a lot of sense to me .Hows the weather in Oz? Ian

Martin/John Can you see if the DCM has any fingers missing on this blow up. Thats the clearest I have seen a copy but I cannot freeze it to see clearly .Thanks Ian

Jim This latest gif graphically shows so much more than just a static shot .The guy in the middle of the 3 on the stairs reminds me of Fritz in the basement when Oswald got it Frozen like he was waiting for it.DVP also mentions in one post that if we Totalled the number of people said to be involved in a conspiracy it would be akin to the cast of Ben Hur. So for balance how many would have been involved had the investigation been legal i.e. Autopsy performed in Dallas ,The evidence from the limo Had it remained in Dallas.Also in a legal investigation most of the top brass Miltary intel,CIA,FBI and DPD Would have been involved anyway its just that the evidence they produced would have been seen by more people and Hoover would not have had the ability to Filter the evidence to the Justice Dept like he did with the W.C. IOW The Chances of the real killers being exposed is much higher as there is less control over the evidence and even with the press in tow Those leaks would have been at least contained within the evidence and many more snippets would have been gained for the public.My opinion is that a legal investigation was not an option and the sloppy way the paperwork was put together on the rifle/Oswald would have been exposed much earlier.But there would still be many many more people involved in a legal investigation than were involved in the conspiracy and cover up put together. Ian

Bill, prior to Hahnemann, every single business venture he was involved in failed - yet he simultaneously amassed a fortune and decided to turn his attention to "philanthropy". He actually took the job at Hahnamann without pay. The research contract I think you're alluding to (there were a few) dealt with an experimental program for addicts. It was an unmitigated catastrophe... but had the outward appearance of success via carefully orchestrated deceptions. In the late 70s, he was indicted for bribery, and banking and mail fraud -- eventually beating all charges. This involved Federal grants obtained with assistance from Reps Flood and Eilberg. Flood was forced out of office as a result. Eilberg got 5 years after pleading guilty to conflict of interest charges and Shober got off clean. He moved to England after Saudi Arabia and he and his wife started a computer training business in which he promotes himself as the President of a medical college - something I have not been able to confirm as true - and hard to believe given his history at Hahnamann. The couple also has as a company called Allergy Technology Ltd (they have one or two patents concerning such things as eliminating dust mites). In recent years, he has written a novel loosely based on his experiences in Saudi Arabia. This is available through Lulu online. Greg, according to the Web site JR linked us to, it is curious how short "Wharton Shober" what happened to the "E." - Wharton is not a first name - his ancstor's last name, - and how he avoids mentioning Philadelphia - his hometown - that his wife mentions in her bio. "Emeritus Honorman Medical College" doesn't exist - that is a purposely misspelling of Hahnamann - a very well known and respected school/hosptial that survived his presidency. It seems by dropping his first name/initial and fudging his background he is trying to avoid his past, or at least keeping those who are uninformed from being able to discover it. Now look who's backing him financially : The Drapers Company, Peter de Hann Trust, Colyer-Ferguson Charitable Trusts, Garfield Weston Fund, W.P. Carey Fund, Allan Willet Fund, Loyds TBS, the HBOS and Tudor Trust. Their fellow Trustee William Curran does work for a real school - IUSS London, and has a background in Nuke Security. Lets see, should my first question to E. Wharton Shober be "Are you still working for the CIA?" or "Were you Anastasio Somoza's CIA case officer in '63, and if so do you know about the Alvarado incident?" BK Bill Lloyds TSB is an old English bank who recently bought out HBOS A bit of background Lloyds TSB History Lloyds Bank was founded as the private bank of Taylors & Lloyds in Birmingham in June 1765. For nearly 100 years it prospered from a single Birmingham office. Changes in legislation and a need for increased capital led the firm to convert to joint-stock status in 1865. This resulted in an explosion of growth and the first of many take-overs. In the 1880s Lloyds, turned its attention to London. In 1884 it absorbed the Lombard Street bank of Barnetts, Hoares, Hanbury & Lloyd. This marked the beginning of the bank’s association with the famous black horse; Barnetts, Hoares & Co. had inherited the symbol, which had originally been used by a Lombard Street goldsmith as early as 1677. The first half of the 20th century saw the bank's expansion overseas, including continental Europe, South America and India. Cheltenham & Gloucester Building Society joined the group in 1995 The savings bank movement started in 1810, when the Reverend Henry Duncan opened the first self supporting savings bank in Ruthwell, Dumfriesshire. The movement aimed to persuading the poor to save. The savings banks were independent of each other, until they united in the 1970s and amalgamated into regional institutions. This was followed, in 1986, by flotation on the stock exchange and the creation of TSB Group plc. Lloyds Bank and TSB Group plc merged in 1995 to form Lloyds TSB. The new group took over Scottish Widows in 2000. Further information Our Group Archives department has an extensive archive of Lloyds TSB material. For more information, please contact: group.archives@lloydstsb.co.uk Lloyds Banking Group Archives 2nd Floor, 48 Chiswell Street London EC1Y 4XX Executive Directors Sir Winfried Bischoff: Chairman J Eric Daniels: Group Chief Executive Lord Leitch: Deputy Chairman Archie G Kane: Group Executive Director, Insurance Sir Julian Horn-Smith G Truett Tate: Group Executive Director, Wholesale Glen R Moreno Tim J W Tookey: Group Finance Director David L Roberts Helen A Weir CBE: Group Executive Director, Retail T Timothy Ryan, Jr Martin A Scicluna Anthony Watson CBE Ian

Dean Its all background and associations ( who can I call on for a favour knowing or unknowing) Remember you start outside a maze to get to the heart. Ian