Bernice Moore

in the crop you have posted above i see a white shiny dot, where it juts into the black shadow, the lower one not the top one, is that suppose to be a baby bundle.it does not resemble one to me sorry....thanks..b i do not do the markings well but you will see where i tried to mark an x..b

here is all the information on the bullet hole in the floor pan, not much..but with Bill kelly's work on the SS documents being released , it may eventually be made clearer...???.fwiw b

hi william; i found a few photos, info, that may be of interest, but, there was one other damage to the limo, but nothing came of it, it was a bullet hole in the floor pan..i will see if i can find the info.but for now, these may be of interest to Steven..and.........fwtaw .best b...Kellerman also gives descriptions of the limo within his testimony Subject: Repost: Presidental Limo 'saftey glass' Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:33:10 GMT Physical Characteristics of the Presidential Limo (Windshield): The windshield was comprised of three parts: two pieces of glass with a thin layer of plastic between the two (i.e. 'safety glass'). The Bullets and Fragments Found inside the Presidential Limo: Two bullet fragments were found in the front seat. One was located on the seat beside the driver, it weighed 44.6 grains and consisted of the nose portion of a bullet. The other fragment was located along the ellerman gives a very good description within his testimony... Subject: Repost: Presidental Limo 'saftey glass' Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:33:10 GMT Physical Characteristics of the Presidential Limo (Windshield): The windshield was comprised of three parts: two pieces of glass with a thin layer of plastic between the two (i.e. 'safety glass'). The Bullets and Fragments Found inside the Presidential Limo: Two bullet fragments were found in the front seat. One was located on the seat beside the driver, it weighed 44.6 grains and consisted of the nose portion of a bullet. The other fragment was located along the right side of the front seat, it weighed, 21.0 grains and consisted of the the base portion of a bullet. Three small lead particles weighing between 17/10 and 9/10 of a grain each, were located on the rug underneath the left jump seat (Mrs. Connolly's seat). Small residue of lead on the inside surface of the laminated windshield and very small pattern cracks ("wagon wheel pattern") were also found on the on the outer layer of the windshield immediately behind the lead residue. There was a minute particle of glass missing from the outside surface but no penetration. This information is a culmination of two investigations. One conducted by the FBI and the other by the Secret Service. ------------------------ end ---------------------------------------

imo there is neither apparently documented, verified research for either of your stands .....not the new that has been presented and commented on by Debra, nor the old mother and baby, scenario....the blackdogman stills remains the mystery as he has always been....your efforts are appreciated, i know many do so, but all the arguing in he world will not change those facts, sorry....but it will not.............. according to the tests done there was, is a face of human colouring there, but one, not two.....fwiwi..thanks b..

Hi Steven, quote''The vehicle was heavily armored so the shot would not have penetrated into the inside of the car'' the windshield at the time of the assassination was not bullet proof, after when reconstructed, armor and bullet proof windshields were added...and updated...thanks..b

Tommy; see Duncan's post at jfk research same thread as Gerda's gifs... ''Skaggs 4 Man with Tan Jacket and Head Spot. Not sure about the shirt'' if so, he could not possibly be the shooter in the nest as you suggest, as in Skaggs, he is seen as the limo has turned and is on Elm in front of the TSBD..and is seen standing across the street in the photograph...thanks..b

Well i will not differ on the poorly, but rather with many witnesses after giving their statements, found they were not as they had related, i guess that could be called as being treated poorly, Dallas in 1963, was as many citys of the South, blacks were not treated gently, now there's a word, there was still the kk around and many members, the John Birchers, and lots of red necks, it was the way things were, after integration , and Dallas to it's credit, did so with such finese they did not have the problems that many cities reeled from, things did become some better, but it took years to finally really take hold, and to this day there are still areas which still will not treat some others as human..in the south,and that is also found in areas in other countries, there are within this forum links to information from research, books, that will make what it was like much clearer.......imo...b i found this information re Casey Quinlan's information that has been related to us by Joe, thanks....fwiw for any members interested...b http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=3&topic_id=91872&mode=full#91875 The DVD of his presentation is available here: http://www.jfklancer.com/catalog/nidmedia/Dallas10.html Debra also states''When you go through the presentation, please keep in mind that Casey said it was speculation, these names were given to him and not authenticated. The source is not always reliable........""

Mike; imo i do not blame any witness for not coming forward, as so many can attest to their treatment in the past, i agree it does not sound solid to me either but hopefully, we will learn where a copy of all the research can be gotten and Joe may have come further information for us, i have gone the rounds of the black dogman couple in the past on here, and no i never saw the lady with a baby, in the photos presented, i tried, i stuck around and followed all, but imo there was, is as much perhaps wrong with such as there is with the changes in Sitzman's information, therefore neither add up.....thanks, i will follow the link you posted...b

''Now, Casey Quinlan did a presentation at Lancer 2010 and part of it touched on these people''thanks Joe for the new research information, i do wish those that find such would get it out here much quicker than it does, does he have a cd or dvd available, anywhere, so this all could be followed up on for documentation and verification, or is it available only from Lancer ..thanks again..best b

i HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND FURTHER ON THE INFORMATION ABOVE FROM THE sorry caps....assassination archives, therefore i cannot document nor verify what has been posted as the Sitzman's change of information, so i would disregard such until, if...thanks...i will continue to try......Here are a few of Marilyn... in the photo with Beverly Oliver, 1993, and i recognize Ed Hoffman, do you know the others ?? in regard to how tall Marilyn was, she appears to be as tall as ed hoffman, an inch or so taller than Beverly, who told me she , Beverly has on spike high heels, in the photo, that she Bev,,always wears them, Marilyn appears to have flats sandals ?? on, from these you get a much better idea of just how very tall she, Marilyn was imo..and a couple of the view from the pedestal area....thanks..b

This was from the kennedy assassinations archive.com, which is gone darn, perhaps someone else has this complete article and could post all........'' this is from a post i made at Rich's back in 2008.....it is no longer on the web, that i can find, but fyi here it is..b "" Marilyn Sitzman an office worker,told how she steadied Zapruder as he filmed the assassination and how she heard three shots from the direction of the book depository. But she said she had come to believe a second gunman, using a silencer, was firing on the motocade from behind a picket fence....."" http://www.kennedyassassinationarchive.com/Viewer.aspx?img=112965474_clean&firstvisit=true&src=search&currentResult=0&currentPage b

Thanks Robin, seems to me, doesn't the bag say something about a bakery or ?? this below what i am trying to post was downloaded i believe around 2008.the information, the link, is no longer on the web that i could find, as with so many gone now, i posted it on Rich's, it is what i have been searching for, but it was not in good condition, so if you see a strange line or whatever within, please ignore, there is within. much information from witnesses, so that is why i choose to try and post it,so fwiw....please bear with me...b Marilyn Sitzman; . The first part of that film shows me walking up towards him. And I got up there, he turned off the camera, and we're talking about, well, where could he stand...because by that time, there's quite a few people gathering. And we'd go look at this place, and we'd go look at that place. We went over to where that concrete pergola was, and we decided that would be the best place because, I says: "You can get up here. You'll be above everybody. No matter how many people are down there, you won't have anybody blocking your view." And so, he said...he had vertigo, though. If he got up there, he'd get dizzy. So, he says, "You'll have to stand behind me and hold onto me." I says, "It's no problem at all." So we both got up there, and I stood behind him, and I held on to him. When they started to make their first turn...turning into the street, he [Zapruder] said, "OK, here we go." ...That's when I remember he started actually doing the filming. They turned the corner and they started coming down...and the first thing I remember hearing was what I thought was firecrackers because Kennedy threw his hands up, and I heard "bang, bang." There could have been a third "bang," I can't swear to that one. But I know there were two "bangs" very close together, and I thought they were firecrackers because his arms were going into the air, and it was way off to my left and above. I'm just kind of like..."what a stupid thing to throw firecrackers," and as they came down...the last shot that we heard was right in front of us and it was like the same sound...far off and to the left...but I saw his head open up....So, of course, by this time I knew it wasn't firecrackers. When we got down, Mr. Zapruder apparently went directly back to the office. He didn't even stop. I ran down the slope. There were three men in suits running up and that's who I met. And I said: "They killed him! They killed him! And my boss has it on film!" And that's when they got interested in me, when I said that. ". http://www.historyne...cs/3024996.html President John F. Kennedy: Eyewitness Accounts of the Events Surrounding JFK's Assassination The events that began unfolding around midday on November 22, 1963, in Dallas, Texas, have cast a long and lasting shadow across the intervening 40 years. In a matter of seconds a deadly deed would inflict trauma on the nation and alter the course of American history. It opened a tragedy-filled decade pocked by war, violent domestic unrest and a string of political assassinations. An incredible 48 hours in Dallas -- the president's murder in broad daylight and the astonishing killing of his alleged assassin on live television -- has spawned countless conspiracy theories. Unclear motives and a virtual labyrinth of peculiar circumstances, coincidences and seemingly inexplicable actions leave even the most rational inquisitor much room for speculation. In what is perhaps the most intensely and painstakingly examined murder in history, nearly every "fact" is fodder for debate, and every nuance leads critics to yet another "truth." Doubts about the Warren Commission findings led to an extensive reexamination by a select congressional committee more than a decade later -- whose own conclusions were hardly conclusive. The most certain fact is, for most Americans, the truth behind the events of November 22, 1963, remains shrouded in uncertainty. However, a vast resource of eyewitness accounts offers an opportunity to experience -- as nearly as possible -- the realities of the moment. Recognizing human fallibility in the perception of any given event, these eyewitness accounts provide a mostly unvarnished real-time narrative from citizens, officials participating in the events and newsmen covering it. From within these accounts emerges a textured and detailed picture of those stunning hours, sometimes revealing bits of information and simple "whys" long submerged in volumes of testimony. On the 40th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination, American History presents a chronology of those November days based almost entirely on eyewitness accounts and accompanied by searing imagery. Sworn testimony given to the Warren Commission and the magnificent oral histories collected and compiled by The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza in Dallas form the foundation of the narrative. The museum's curator, research team and staff were invaluable in providing the most relevant transcripts, granting access to their photo archives and giving guidance. These accounts are sometimes highly descriptive of a horrific act inflicted on men in the presence of their loved ones and shocked spectators. Eyewitnesses struggle with the incongruity of the moment; the mundane mingles with the unimaginable. Heart-rending accounts tell also of horrible personal tragedy and of extraordinary courage and strength. Our intent is to convey -- as accurately as possible from the view of those who were there -- a true sense of the minutes and hours of the events that consumed the nation during four days in November 1963. THE DAY BEFORE In Washington, D.C. President and Mrs. Kennedy embark on a political fence-mending mission to Texas--where the Democratic Party was severely split--in preparation for the 1964 election. First stops: San Antonio, Houston and Forth Worth. Then on to Dallas and Austin. In Dallas Lee Harvey Oswald, working at the Texas School Book Depository just more than a month, alters his normal routine and catches a ride with a co-worker to nearby Irving, where he spends the night with his family. He says he needs to go this day to pick up a set of curtain rods for his apartment in Dallas. <img alt="http://www.historynet.com/ah/nov22.gif" height="36" width="180" /> MORNING IN FORT WORTH Congressman Jim Wright and Texas Attorney General Waggoner Carr describe the morning in Fort Worth. Jim Wright: I worked with what powers that be in Fort Worth to put on a good, effective breakfast meeting of the civic, business and commercial leadership of the community. We integrated it. We had representatives of the labor unions as well as of the professions and the large businesses. But even so, gosh, in those days, it was rare when the president of the United States was in your town....I said, "Look, in my hometown, I want a public meeting...we can go right outside the Texas Hotel where he'll be spending the night, we will assemble the crowd in that big parking lot out there." Boy, the night before, it rained. At about 15 minutes before he was scheduled to appear, I looked out and people were already gathering in rain gear, some with umbrellas...and I thought: "Oh, what a mess. What a tragedy... what have we got him into? He's got to get up on that flatbed trailer and speak to that crowd in the rain." [Then] the clouds disappeared, the sun came through...bright, beautiful, sun-shining day. I thought, "The luck of the Irish." Waggoner Carr: There was a rally out in front of the Texas Hotel. That was followed by a breakfast at the hotel in the big dining room with a large crowd of people there, local people, and the president, after introducing Mrs. Kennedy and having a few remarks, made his speech. The president came by and shook my hand and told me how much he and Mrs. Kennedy appreciated the reception they were receiving in Texas.... OSWALD'S RIDE TO WORK Wesley Frazier recounts the ride to the Texas School Book Depository, departing at 7:20 a.m. Wesley Frazier: I was sitting there eating my breakfast...mother just happened to glance up and saw this man, you know, who was Lee looking in the window for me and she said, "Who is that?" And I said, "That is Lee." He just walked around there on the carport right there close to the door and so I told her I had to go, so I went in there and brushed my teeth right quick and come through there and I just walked on out and we got in the car....When I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat...and I said, "What's the package, Lee?" And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today." ...so I didn't think any more about it.... I asked him did he have fun playing with them babies and he chuckled and said he did. JFK's MORNING IN FORT WORTH JFK calls Dallas Times Herald publisher James Chambers; Secret Service Agent Clint Hill, assigned to Mrs. Kennedy, describes the morning activity; Jim Wright on the flight to Dallas. James Chambers: I was in my office about 8:15 or so, the phone rang, and it was the president. And he said, "Can you get me some Macanudo cigars?" He loved a good cigar occasionally. He says, "They don't have any over here in Fort Worth." And I said, "Sure." And he said, "Well, get me about a half a dozen." I said, "Fine." ...and got him six Macanudo cigars that I was going to give him at the luncheon.... Agent Hill: I went to the fifth floor, I believe, where the president and Mrs. Kennedy were staying in the Texas Hotel in Fort Worth, at 8:15 in the morning. President Kennedy was to go downstairs and across the street to make a speech to a gathering in a parking lot. About 9:25 I received word from Special Agent Duncan...that the president requested Mrs. Kennedy to come to the mezzanine, where he was about to speak. I took her down to where the president was speaking, remained with her during the speech and accompanied she and the president back up to the...fifth floor...remained on that floor until we left, went downstairs, got into the motorcade, and departed the hotel for the airport to leave Fort Worth for Dallas. We were airborne approximately 11:20. Jim Wright: President Kennedy and I and John Connally had a discussion on Air Force One....There had appeared in the Dallas News that morning a scurrilous ad calling him a traitor and other unflattering things....He had seen that. And I was irate. I thought it was a damn inhospitable thing to allow...that the paper should have screened it out. I don't remember how the subject came up, but he was puzzled as to how to approach the Dallas News, how to be friends with them. They had written other unkind things. Mr. Dealey had written an unkind editorial about him, saying he ought to be riding Caroline's tricycle or something like that. <img alt="http://www.historynet.com/ah/nov22.gif" height="36" width="180" /> ARRIVAL AT LOVE FIELD 11:40-11:45 A.M. The presidential party touches down in Dallas at 11:40 a.m. Agent Hill and WFAA cameraman Malcolm Couch describe the activity. Agent Hill:There was a small reception committee at the foot of the ramp, and somebody gave Mrs. Kennedy some red roses....I walked immediately to the follow-up car and placed my topcoat, which is a raincoat, in the follow-up car, returning to where the president and Mrs. Kennedy were at that time greeting a crippled lady in a wheelchair. Malcolm Couch: When Jackie and President Kennedy got off the plane, the press was supposed to stay back about 100 feet, but we didn't. We broke and all ran up there, and then President Kennedy headed straight for the fence and started walking along the fence shaking hands with people....I was always a little quicker than other guys. I ran in front of him, got three feet in front of him and I got the neatest shots of him shaking hands with people.... MOTORCADE INTO DOWNTOWN DALLAS 11:45 A.M.--12:29 P.M. Motorcade recollections from the governor's wife, Nellie Connally, in the presidential limousine; Agent Hill, directly behind the presidential limousine; and TV cameraman Couch and newspaper photographer Bob Jackson in a press pool convertible eight cars behind. Along the route are Dallas Detective Paul Bentley and spectator Glen Gatlin. Agent Hill: Between Love Field and downtown Dallas, on the right-hand side of the street there was a group of people with a long banner which said, "Please, Mr. President, stop and shake our hands." And the president requested the motorcade to stop, and he beckoned to the people and asked them to come and shake his hand, which they did. I jumped from the follow-up car and ran up to the left rear portion of the automobile with my back toward Mrs. Kennedy viewing those persons on the left-hand side of the street. Special Agent Ready, who was working the forward portion of the right running board, did the same thing, only on the president's side, placed his back toward the car, and viewed the people facing the president. Agent in Charge Kellerman opened the door of the president's car and stepped out on the street. Detective Bentley: I was assigned to the corner of Main and Harwood, and I was at that particular location when the presidential parade passed and made a right turn onto Main. I was in plain clothes. As I first got over in front of the White Plaza Hotel the people of course were jamming the sidewalks.... Agent Hill: We didn't really hit the crowds until we hit Main Street...where they were surging into the street. We had motorcycles running adjacent to both the presidential automobile and the follow-up car, as well as in front of the presidential automobile. Because of the crowds in the street, the president's driver, Special Agent Greer, was running the car more to the left-hand side of the street...to keep the president as far away from the crowd as possible, and because of this the motorcycles on the left-hand side could not get past the crowd and alongside the car, and they were forced to drop back. I jumped from the follow-up car, ran up and got on top of the rear portion of the presidential automobile to be close to Mrs. Kennedy in the event that someone attempted to grab her from the crowd or throw something in the car. Glen Gatlin: We had a very good view of the parade route. We were on the 12th floor, and so we were kind of watching [Commerce Street]. The crowds were enthusiastic, waving. Mrs. Kennedy had on a really cute pink outfit, and Gov. Connally and his wife were in the back seat. Gov. Connally always looked very, very handsome, and Kennedy, of course, was a guy that could have been a male model and sold clothes very nicely. He was doing his thing and waving, and the crowd was excited and it was just one of the best of times. Malcolm Couch: A fella from Channel 4, KRLD...was next to me. We were both sitting on the back of the convertible as we got to the canyon of the big buildings downtown. I'll never forget because there had been a lot of tension in Dallas politically. General [Edwin] Walker was in Dallas at the time. He was a radical right-winger. There had been some nasty statements from people in Dallas about Kennedy. As we drove along, we literally would point to buildings and say: "Boy, a sniper would sure get him from that one, what about this building over here? Perfect spot for them to get him." That was part of the tension -- that somebody would try to do something to Kennedy. Bob Jackson: As we approached Main and Houston to make the turn, I had just unloaded my camera...one of my two cameras. It happened to be the one with the long lens because I had used it along the route more than the other one. We had prearranged for me to pass my film to a reporter who was standing at the corner [of] Main and Houston. So I unloaded the camera and put the film in an envelope. As we rounded the corner, I tossed it to Jim Featherstone, a reporter...he reached for it and the wind caught the envelope and blew it out of his hand or away from him, and he had to kind of chase it. We were kind of laughing, you know, at how he had to chase my film across the street, and we had already made the turn as this was taking place...onto Houston, which put our car directly facing the Book Depository. Nellie Connally: We had just finished the motorcade through the downtown Dallas area. The people had been very responsive to the president and Mrs. Kennedy, and we were very pleased. In fact the receptions had been so good every place that...I could resist no longer. When we got past this area I did turn to the president and said, "Mr. President, you can't say Dallas doesn't love you." <img alt="http://www.historynet.com/ah/nov22.gif" height="36" width="180" /> SPECTATORS WAIT AT DEALEY PLAZA The end of the downtown portion of the motorcade was Dealey Plaza. Marilyn Sitzman arrives to find her boss, Abraham Zapruder, already there; Ernest Brandt recalls the crowd's anticipation. Marilyn Sitzman: As I came down that street Mr. Zapruder and a couple of the other women were standing up on the [grassy knoll]. The first part of that film shows me walking up towards him. And I got up there, he turned off the camera, and we're talking about, well, where could he stand...because by that time, there's quite a few people gathering. And we'd go look at this place, and we'd go look at that place. We went over to where that concrete pergola was, and we decided that would be the best place because, I says: "You can get up here. You'll be above everybody. No matter how many people are down there, you won't have anybody blocking your view." And so, he said...he had vertigo, though. If he got up there, he'd get dizzy. So, he says, "You'll have to stand behind me and hold onto me." I says, "It's no problem at all." So we both got up there, and I stood behind him, and I held on to him. Ernest Brandt: Everybody was quiet and just standing there waiting until the motorcade came along. And of course, when it did, Kennedy was kind of casually waving to people, Jackie sitting next to him, looking so pretty and prim. I noticed directly behind his car, very close behind his car, was the Secret Service limousine. It was an old Cadillac where they had put running boards on the sides so that they could stand. Two men standing on each side, on the running boards, and three or four of them inside the car. SHOTS FIRED AT THE MOTORCADE 12:30 P.M. In the seconds after the motorcade turns left onto Elm St. and before the triple underpass, the assassin strikes. Jacqueline Kennedy in the president's car and Vice President Lyndon Johnson two cars behind react. In addition to others in the press cars were Dallas Morning News photographer Tom Dillard and the president's assistant press secretary, Malcolm Kilduff. Dealey Plaza eyewitnesses included Jean Lollis Hill, Malcolm Summers, Bill and Gayle Newman with their two children, and Abraham Zapruder with his Bell & Howell movie camera. Nellie Connally: Then I don't know how soon, it seems to me it was very soon, that I heard a noise, and not being an expert rifleman, I was not aware that it was a rifle. It was just a frightening noise, and it came from the right. I turned over my right shoulder and looked back, and saw the president as he had both hands at his neck. Jim Wright: I heard the first shot. I thought it sounded like a rifle shot, but I couldn't imagine that it could be a rifle shot. Then, I heard the second shot, and I thought: "It's crazy. Someone is trying to fire a 21-gun salute with a rifle." It was obviously a rifle shot, and obviously the shots were from the same rifle. That's all I heard...but the timing of the third...the cadence was just off a fraction of a second enough to let me know, "Uh-oh, no, this isn't a salute." Tom Dillard: ...and it was loud, and I said, "They're throwing torpedoes at him!" I guess, in my mind, those things we threw as kids that hit the sidewalk and exploded. Then, in a matter of a second and a half, another shot. Or two seconds, something like that. I said, "No, that's rifle fire!" Bob Jackson: We heard the first shot. Then, we heard two more shots closer together...I just looked straight up ahead of me because that's the direction the sound came from, and I saw two black men leaning out of the window of the fifth floor, looking directly up above them. My eyes went on up to the next floor, and there was the rifle. I could see the rifle...part of the stock, and it being drawn in the window.... Tom Dillard: The third shot, I said, "My God, they've killed him!" Bob Jackson said, "There's a guy with a rifle up in that window." I said, "Where?" I had both cameras around my neck, loaded, focused, cocked...Bob says, "In that window up on that building right there, it's that top window." I shot a picture with the wide-angle camera. I said, "Which window?" He said, "It's the one on the right, second from the top." By that time, I had the 100mm camera up, shot a picture of that window.... Bob Jackson: The person behind it was not visible. There was no one standing in the window or anything looking out. He was obviously down low. Of course, I had an empty camera. I swung my camera up, too, just so I could see better with the long lens and zoomed in and no one was visible in the window. No one else in the car saw the rifle, and I don't think I could have reacted fast enough to get a picture even if I had film in the camera. So then, the car proceeded on, rather jerkily, toward the intersection. Jean Lollis Hill: We were standing on the curb, and I jumped to the edge of the street and yelled, "Hey, we want to take your picture!" to him. He was looking down in the seat -- he and Mrs. Kennedy, and their heads were turned toward the middle of the car looking down at something in the seat, which later turned out to be the roses -- and I was so afraid he was going to look the other way because there were a lot of people across the street, and we were, as far as I know, we were the only people down there in that area, and just as I yelled, "Hey!" to him, he started to bring his head up to look at me and just as he did the shot rang out. Mary took the picture and fell on the ground and of course there were more shots. She fell on the ground and grabbed my slacks and said, "Get down, they're shooting!" And, I knew they were but I was too stunned to move.... Ernest Brandt: As soon at the limo got within view, I'm looking for Kennedy and Jackie. He was just kind of glancing at the crowd, his eyes kind of jumped along from one to another. He was kind of casually smiling...acknowledging the crowd and waving casually. Nothing had happened by the time the limo was exactly opposite us. I was still watching Kennedy from the back. And of course, all I could see above the back seat was his shoulders, his neck, and head....I think the limousine was about 60 or 70 feet past us...it wasn't moving real slow, but yet not real fast either...then bam! The first shot was fired, and boy, it just reverberated around the Dealey Plaza something terrible. Sounded like an elephant rifle to me. I thought it was a motorcycle backfire because there was a half a dozen of them on either side of Kennedy's limousine. And that's what I really thought because nothing in mind would have occurred to me that it was a rifle shot, see....I thought the first shot was a motorcycle backfire, and in conjunction with that thought, I thought he was just pretending. And that maybe he had thought, "Gee, I better duck." You know, playfully, playing a little game in conjunction with the motorcycle backfire, but then when the second shot rang out, that canceled any thoughts I had of a motorcycle backfire. Then, in just a couple of seconds more, there was a second shot, then everybody...seemed to realize something was wrong then because Kennedy had by then already fallen over on Jackie's shoulder. Malcolm Summers: I was within five feet of the curb. They came around and then the first I heard was, I thought, was a firecracker...because the FBI, Secret Service people that was on the back of that car, they looked down at the ground....I think they thought it was a firecracker...I thought in my mind, well, what a heck of a joke, you know, to be playing like that. Then the car kept coming, and then the second shot rang out. And then the third...rang out. I saw Kennedy get hit. I heard Connally say, "They're going to kill us all!" or "shoot us all." ...And then, I heard Jackie Kennedy scream out, "Oh, God! No, no, no!" Bill Newman: We were there just a few moments... probably less than five minutes before the president's limousine came down Main and made a right onto Houston. And I can remember hearing the crowds before seeing the cars or the motorcycle escorts. You could hear the cheers, the crowd, the noise...I felt an excitement, you know, because the president was getting close. I can remember seeing the car turn right onto Houston Street off of Main, going the one short block and turning left on Elm. When he was probably 150 or 200 feet away the first two shots rang out, and it was like a "Boom...Boom." Gayle Newman: I had no idea that it was gunfire. The first two noises sounded like firecrackers, and I think both of us...had the same impression...that's really in bad taste, you know. Throwing firecrackers at the president's car. But he seemed to be going along with the joke, you know. He sort of put his hands up and sort of was looking around the crowd, and you know, thoughts just sort of flash through your mind. And we thought...well, I did...boy, he's got a good sense of humor, you know...to react like that. Bill Newman: He straightened up and brought both arms up....But, as the car got closer to us, I felt that something was wrong. I remember seeing a bewildered look on President Kennedy's face, and I can remember seeing Gov. Connally, and he was sort of crouched down and holding himself. I can remember his protruding eyes. I mean, his eyes looked like they were bugging out like he was in a state of shock. I could see the blood on his shirt. Just as all of this is going through my mind, the car passed directly in front of us. Jim Wright: As we turned, heading west...we looked and saw pandemonium in the cars and Jacqueline Kennedy on her knees in the back seat, looking out behind, and we couldn't imagine what was happening. Then, the car shot forward....As we passed the crowd on the grassy knoll, the look of sheer horror in their faces told me that they had just witnessed a traumatic event. Marilyn Sitzman: When they started to make their first turn...turning into the street, he [Zapruder] said, "OK, here we go." ...That's when I remember he started actually doing the filming. They turned the corner and they started coming down...and the first thing I remember hearing was what I thought was firecrackers because Kennedy threw his hands up, and I heard "bang, bang." There could have been a third "bang," I can't swear to that one. But I know there were two "bangs" very close together, and I thought they were firecrackers because his arms were going into the air, and it was way off to my left and above. I'm just kind of like..."what a stupid thing to throw firecrackers," and as they came down...the last shot that we heard was right in front of us and it was like the same sound...far off and to the left...but I saw his head open up....So, of course, by this time I knew it wasn't firecrackers. Abraham Zapruder: As the car came in line almost -- I believe it was almost in line, I was standing up here and I was shooting through a telephoto lens....I heard the first shot, and I saw the president lean over and grab himself. Leaning toward the side of Jacqueline. For a moment I thought it was, you know, like you say, "Oh, he got me!" when you hear a shot -- you've heard these expressions and then I saw -- I don't believe the president is going to make jokes like this, but before I had a chance to organize my mind, I heard a second shot and then I saw his head opened up and the blood and everything came out. I can hardly talk about it. Agent Hill: As we came out of the curve and began to straighten up, I was viewing the area which looked to be a park. There were people scattered throughout the entire park. And I heard a noise from my right rear, which to me seemed to be a firecracker. I immediately looked to my right and, in so doing, my eyes had to cross the presidential limousine, and I saw President Kennedy grab at himself and lurch forward and to the left. Malcom Kilduff: I heard this first noise, and Merriman Smith said, "What the hell was that?" And I said, "Well, it sounded to me like a firecracker." And then, the second shot...by that time, I had noticed that Clint Hill...had jumped off the Secret Service follow-up car and was running towards the president's car. Jacqueline Kennedy: You know, there is always noise in a motorcade, and there are always motorcycles beside us, a lot of them backfiring. So I was looking to the left. I guess there was a noise, but it didn't seem like any different noise really because there is so much noise, motorcycles and things. But then suddenly Gov. Connally was yelling, "Oh! No, no, no!" Agent Hill: I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, ran to the presidential limousine. Just about as I reached it, there was another sound, which was different than the first sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object -- it seemed to have some type of an echo. I put my right foot on the left rear step of the automobile, and I had a hold of the handgrip, when the car lurched forward. I lost my footing, and I had to run about three or four more steps before I could get back up in the car. Gayle Newman: As the car came closer...as it got directly in front of us, the third shot rang out and the side of his head was hit, and you saw bits of red flashing up and then some white matter come out of his head, and Mrs. Kennedy screamed, "Oh my God, no! They've shot Jack!" Bill Newman: I remember a flash of white and then a flash of red, and President Kennedy going over across the car seat into Mrs. Kennedy's lap and her hollering out, "Oh my God, no! They've shot Jack!" And I can remember her going back. I thought she was trying to get out of the car. I turned and said, "That's it, Gayle! Hit the ground!" So, we hit the ground, covered our two children, thinking that we were in danger.... Jacqueline Kennedy: I was looking...to the left, and I heard these terrible noises. And my husband never made any sound. So I turned to the right. And all I remember is seeing my husband, he had this sort of quizzical look on his face, and his hand was up, it must have been his left hand. And just as I turned and looked at him, I could see a piece of his skull and I remember it was flesh colored. I remember thinking he just looked as if he had a slight headache. And I just remember seeing that. No blood or anything. And then he sort of...put his hand to his forehead and fell in my lap. And then I just remember falling on him and saying, "Oh, no, no, no!" I mean: "Oh, my God! They have shot my husband!" And "I love you, Jack!" I remember I was shouting. And just being down in the car with his head in my lap. And it just seemed an eternity. You know, then, there were pictures later on of me climbing out the back. But I don't remember that at all. Malcolm Kilduff: And then I noticed that the Secret Service car and the president's car had started to speed up. So we sped up in the pool car....This would be a normal operating procedure, to get the hell out of there in a big hurry. You know, it never even occurred to me that the president had been shot. Lyndon Johnson: After we had proceeded a short way down Elm Street, I heard a sharp report. The crowd at this point had become somewhat spotty. The vice-presidential car was then about three car lengths behind President Kennedy's car, with the presidential follow-up car intervening. I was startled by the sharp report or explosion, but I had no time to speculate as to its origin because Agent Youngblood turned in a flash, immediately after the first explosion, hitting me on the shoulder, and shouted to all of us in the back seat to get down. I was pushed down by Agent Youngblood. Almost in the same moment in which he hit or pushed me, he vaulted over the back seat and sat on me. I was bent over under the weight of Agent Youngblood's body, toward Mrs. Johnson and Sen. [Ralph W.] Yarborough. I remember attempting to turn my head to make sure that Mrs. Johnson had bent down. Both she and Sen. Yarborough had crouched down at Agent Youngblood's command. I heard other explosions. It was impossible for me to tell the direction from which the explosions came. I felt the automobile sharply accelerate, and in a moment or so Agent Youngblood released me. I ascertained that Mrs. Johnson and Sen. Yarborough were all right. I heard Agent Youngblood speaking over his radio transmitter. I asked him what had happened. He said that he was not sure but that he had learned that the motorcade was going to the hospital. <img alt="http://www.historynet.com/ah/nov22.gif" height="36" width="180" /> AFTERMATH ON DEALEY PLAZA The minutes after the shooting are filled with horror and confusion. Malcolm Summers: There was a motorcycle cop... coming along on the side leading the caravan there, the car, and he laid down his bike right in front of me and looked straight in my direction like he was going to pull his gun. I thought somebody behind me was doing the firing, and because I thought that, well, I fell down, I hit the ground.... And then...he jumped back on his bike, and then he took off along with the car....I stayed there just...a few seconds...until all the commotion went by, the other cars, a lot of screaming, a lot of going on....lots of people was running around...running down toward the...railroad track down there, and I, again figured -- the power of suggestion -- I thought, they saw him and they're catching him down there. So, I immediately ran across the street, too, and I was going to go down there and see them catch him, and I hope hang him or whatever because I was that mad.... Bill Newman: We were just on the ground probably two...three...four minutes. We wanted to be sure it was over. I can remember the people running up on the grassy knoll and going back towards the parking lot between the School Book Depository and the grassy knoll. I thought these people were out of their minds. Jerry Haynes [WFAA reporter] and another gentleman...came running over to us, and we had stood up by this time. They asked us what we saw, and we told them. And they said, "Would you go with us over to WFAA studios?" And we said, "Sure." So we started walking in that direction....He just walked up to a man in a car and said: "These people saw the president get shot. Would you carry us to WFAA?" We jumped in this stranger's car and went to WFAA. We were put on the air shortly thereafter. Abraham Zapruder: There were police running right behind me. Of course, they didn't realize yet, I guess, where the shot came from....I didn't even remember how I got down from that abutment but there I was, and I was walking back toward my office and screaming: "They killed him! They killed him!" and the people that I met on the way didn't even know what happened, and they kept yelling: "What happened? What happened?" It seemed that they had heard a shot but they didn't know exactly what had happened as the car sped away, and I kept on just yelling: "They killed him! They killed him!" And finally I got to my office and my secretary -- I told her to call the police or the Secret Service...I just went to my desk and stopped there until the police came, and then we were required to get a place to develop the films. I knew I had something, I figured it might be of some help -- I didn't know what. Marilyn Sitzman: When we got down, Mr. Zapruder apparently went directly back to the office. He didn't even stop. I ran down the slope. There were three men in suits running up and that's who I met. And I said: "They killed him! They killed him! And my boss has it on film!" And that's when they got interested in me, when I said that. Gayle Newman: I was just numb...I was just trembling. I couldn't hardly remember what my name was. I was worried about the children. In fact, [at WFAA studio] Julie Benell, they interrupted her cooking show and she was cooking a Hormel Cure Eighty-one ham. They had just been introduced to the market. And I was just so nervous, they took me off...with the children, and Julie Benell fixed both of the boys a ham sandwich and tried to calm me down with coffee, and I didn't drink coffee. I was just numb.... POLICE ENCOUNTER OSWALD 12:32 P.M. Police immediately rush to the School Book Depository. Building manager Roy Truly, who was standing in front of the building at the time of the shooting, recounts what took place. Roy Truly: ...everybody was screaming and hollering. Just moments later I saw a young motorcycle policeman run up to the building, up the steps to the entrance of our building. He ran right by me. And he was pushing people out of the way. I believe I caught up with him inside the lobby of the building, or possibly the front steps. I remember it occurred to me that this man wants on top of the building. He doesn't know the plan of the floor. I ran in with him. As we got in the lobby, almost on the inside of the first floor, this policeman asked me where the stairway is. And I said, "This way." And I ran diagonally across to the northwest corner of the building. [On the second floor] I saw the officer almost directly in the doorway of the lunchroom facing Lee Harvey Oswald. He was at the front of the lunchroom, not very far inside....When I reached there, the officer had his gun pointing at Oswald....He didn't seem to be excited or overly afraid or anything. He might have been a bit startled, like I might have been if somebody confronted me. But I cannot recall any change in expression of any kind on his face. The officer turned this way and said, "This man work here?" And I said, "Yes." Then we left Lee Harvey Oswald immediately and continued to run up the stairways. <img alt="http://www.historynet.com/ah/nov22.gif" height="36" width="180" /> THE MOTORCADE HEADS TO PARKLAND Once agents realize the president has been wounded, the limousine speeds off for Parkland Memorial Hospital at the orders of Secret Service Special Agent in Charge Roy Kellerman. Agent Kellerman: I just leaned sideways to [the driver] and said: "Let's get out of here! We are hit!" I have driven that car many times, and I never cease to be amazed even to this day with the weight of the automobile plus the power that is under the hood; we just literally jumped out of the goddamn road. REPORT OF SHOOTING REACHES THE TRADE MART Just minutes from Dealey Plaza, the Trade Mart is filled with luncheon guests awaiting the president. TV reporter Eddie Barker covers the event live. Eddie Barker: It was going to be quite an affair. All of the dignitaries in the city were going to be on hand for the speech. I was there on that balcony at the Trade Mart, waiting for the president to come there to the luncheon. One of the floor men who was up on the balcony there with me said, "They want to talk to you in the truck."...One of the engineers in the truck said: "Hey, something's happened. They're headed for the airport. They didn't stop. The motorcade just went by." And that was the first that I knew, and by then, I was getting a message from the newsroom that there had been shots fired. And that's when I then went on the air out there at the Trade Mart. The gist of [what I said] was that...shots had been fired, and that the motorcade had gone by, it did not stop. Then I really got into just an endless narrative...I had to stay on the air.... THE MOTORCADE REACHES PARKLAND 12:36 P.M. Agent Kellerman is in the front seat; Agent Hill is sprawled atop the president and Mrs. Kennedy. Among others, Special Agent William Greer and motorcycle policeman Willie Price help take President Kennedy into the emergency room. Agent Kellerman: As we arrived at the hospital I immediately got out of the car. I yelled to the agents, "Go get us two stretchers on wheels." I turned right around to the back door and opened it. By this time Mrs. Connally had raised up, and the governor is lying in her lap, face up. His eyes are open and he is looking at me, and I am fairly sure he is alive. I said, "Governor, don't worry; everything is going to be all right." And he nodded his head....By this time the stretcher is there. I get inside on one side of him, and Agent Hill on the other. Somebody is holding his feet, and we remove the governor and put him on the stretcher and they take him in. We then get in and help Mrs. Connally out. Our next move is to get Mrs. Kennedy off from the seat, which was a little difficult, but she was removed. Then Mr. Hill removed his coat and laid it over the president's face and shoulder. Willie Price: The president was laying forward. I got a good look at him and knew beyond a shadow of a doubt it was him. One of them told me I could help them. I was to help get the president out...I was going to catch hold of him and help pull him out, and one put a coat in my hands and said, "Put this around his head." And by the time I got around to put that coat around his head, Mrs. Kennedy walked between me and his head and she put her hands on the back of his head, and then I saw this Secret Service man and I...I started to push her hands away, but I got to thinking, those guys might be a little gun-happy, so therefore, I better let them do it. I knew the back of his head was blown out, and...I felt like she shouldn't be getting her hands under there because there wouldn't be nothing but blood....When I motioned to [a Secret Service man]...about Mrs. Kennedy, he pushed her hands down and then told Mrs. Lincoln, I believe who was the secretary of the president..."You take care of her. She's in shock," he says. "And don't get away from her." I noticed that she wiped her hands off on her clothes when she...came away from his head. Agent Hill: The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not.... I removed [my coat] and covered the president's head and upper chest. [Gov. Connally] was conscious. There was a large amount of blood in the lower abdominal area. He was helped from the automobile to the stretcher. He was wheeled immediately into, I think, emergency room No. 2. Agent Greer: When I pulled into the ambulance entrance there were some people there on the right-hand side with these stretchers that they had rushed out....There was a great deal of confusion because everyone was trying to help. I helped...take the stretcher that he was on into the emergency room. It is on wheels...and I stayed inside the door of the emergency room most of the time while the doctors were working on the president's body. I was inside the door. I kept the door closed most of the time, let doctors and nurses in and out while they were working on him. Mrs. Kennedy was outside the door. They got her a chair out there for a little while, and then she insisted on coming in, and she got in the corner for a little while and stayed there a little while. Agent Hill: I accompanied [the president] and Mrs. Kennedy to the emergency room...but it was so small, and there were so many people in there that I decided I had better leave and let the doctors take care of the situation. Special Agent in Charge Kellerman came outside and said, "Get the White House." I asked Special Agent Lawson for the local number in Dallas of the White House switchboard, which he gave to me. I called the switchboard in Dallas, asked for the line to be open to Washington and remain open continuously. And then I asked for Special Agent in Charge Jerry Behn's office. Mr. Kellerman came out of the emergency room about that time, took the telephone, and told Special Agent in Charge Behn that we had had a double tragedy; that both Gov. Connally and President Kennedy had been shot. Shortly thereafter Mr. Kellerman came out of the emergency room and said, "Clint, tell Jerry this is unofficial and not for release, but the man is dead." I talked to the attorney general [Robert Kennedy] and told him that his brother had been seriously wounded; that we would keep him advised as to his condition. Agent Kellerman: I walked into this center area of this emergency room looking for a telephone. There is a little doctor's office and I walked inside, and I am alone at that time, except one medic who was in there. By that time a medic comes into the room from President Kennedy's section, and he asks if anybody knows the blood type of President Kennedy. We all carry it. I produce mine. <img alt="http://www.historynet.com/ah/nov22.gif" height="36" width="180" /> PRESIDENT KENNEDY IN PARKLAND Doctors and emergency personnel feverishly work on the president, including Dr. Charles Carrico, Dr. Marion Jenkins and Dr. Robert McClelland. Dr. Carrico: His color was blue-white, ashen. He had slow agonal respiration, spasmodic respirations without any coordination. He was making no voluntary movements. His eyes were open, pupils were seen to be dilated and later were seen not to react to light. This was the initial impression. He had no palpable pulse. No voluntary movements, only the spasmodic respirations. After these initial observations we opened his shirt, coat, listened very briefly to his chest, heard a few sounds, which we felt to be heartbeats, and then proceeded with the remainder of the examination. From a medical standpoint, I suppose he was still alive in that he did still have a heartbeat. Dr. Jenkins: As the resuscitative maneuvers were begun, such as chest cardiac massage, there was with each compression of the sternum a gush of blood from the skull wound, which indicated there was massive vascular damage in the skull and the brain, as well as brain tissue damage, and we recognized by this time that the patient was beyond the point of resuscitation, that he was in fact dead, and this was substantiated by getting a silent electrical pattern on the electrocardiogram.... FIRST BROADCAST REPORT THAT KENNEDY IS DEAD 12:40 P.M. At the Trade Mart, TV reporter Eddie Barker receives an early report that the president is dead. Eddie Barker: I was going on with this endless chatter, and this doctor that I recognized came up to me and just kind of whispered in my ear, he said, "Eddie, he's dead." ...I said, "How do you know?" And he said, "Well, I just called the emergency room at Parkland. He's D.O.A." Well, that was good enough for me, and I then said words to the effect, "I've just been told by a highly reliable source that the president's dead." And, unbeknownst to me, the broadcast was being carried by CBS because this was the only pick-up in town, and they picked it up and put it on the air. I found out that as soon as I said that they immediately took it back to New York, and Cronkite, my dear friend Walter, said: "You know, that ain't us, folks. That's that hotshot down there in Dallas saying he's dead. It's not CBS saying he's dead." POLICE BROADCAST SUSPECT'S DESCRIPTION 12:45 P.M. The description was derived from eyewitness reports at Dealey Plaza. Police Dispatcher: Attention all squads. Attention all squads. At Elm and Houston, reported to be an unknown white male, approximately 30, slender build, height 5 feet 10 inches, 165 pounds. Reported to be armed with what is believed to be a .30-caliber rifle. <img alt="http://www.historynet.com/ah/nov22.gif" height="36" width="180" /> KENNEDY PRONOUNCED DEAD 1 P.M. Dr. Jenkins: However, for a period of minutes...after we knew he was dead, we continued attempted resuscitative maneuvers....I think as we pronounced the president dead, those in attendance who were there just sort of melted away. When we saw the two priests who arrived in the corridor outside the emergency room, I went to the door and asked one of those, what is the proper time to declare one dead. As I remember now, he said, "The time that the soul leaves the body...is not at exactly the time that medical testimony might say that death was declared." There would be a period of time and so, if we wished to declare him dead at that time, they would still have the final rites. ...Mrs. Kennedy had come back into the room, and most of the people were beginning to leave because they felt like this was such a grief-stricken and private affair that they should not be there....I was still there as the rites were performed, and a prayer was said. Dr. McClelland: About the time that Dr. Baxter and I were gonna walk around the head of the gurney and leave the room behind everybody else, the door came open, and Father Hubert came in...so we just kind of melted back up against the wall...while he gave the president his last rites. [Mrs. Kennedy] came in and leaned over and asked him, "Have you given him the last rites?" And he said, "I've given him conditional last rites." She grimaced a little bit then, as if she didn't much like to hear that. She put it [a ring] on one of his fingers, and I don't know which one she took it off of and which one she put it on, and then she turned and walked slowly out of the room. He had already been covered up with a sheet at that time...his right foot was sticking out from underneath the sheet....And as she passed by, she kind of, almost as an afterthought, she leaned over and kissed his foot, and then she walked out of the room. OSWALD MISSING FROM DEPOSITORY 1:03 P.M. Police begin to scour the building, and manager Roy Truly discovers Oswald is gone. Roy Truly: Some of my boys were over in the west corner of the shipping department, and there were several officers over there taking their names and addresses and so forth. I noticed that Lee Oswald was not among these boys. Mr. Campbell is standing there, and I said: "I have a boy over here missing. I don't know whether to report it or not." Because I had another one or two out then. I didn't know whether they were all there or not. He said, "What do you think?" And I got to thinking. He said, "Well, we better do it anyway." ...I picked the phone up then and called Mr. Aiken, at the warehouse, and got the boy's name and general description and telephone number and address at Irving. I knew nothing of his Dallas address. I didn't know he was living away from his family. Deputy Chief [George] Lumpkin of the Dallas Police Department was standing a few feet from me. I told [him] that I had a boy missing over here, "I don't know whether it amounts to anything or not." And I gave him his description. And he says: "Just a moment. We will go tell Captain Fritz." <img alt="http://www.historynet.com/ah/nov22.gif" height="36" width="180" /> THE SNIPER'S NEST IS FOUND 1:10 P.M. Dallas County Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney describes finding the 6th-floor sniper's nest. Deputy Mooney: I went straight across to the southeast corner of the building, and I saw all these high boxes. And I squeezed between two...I saw the expended shells, and the boxes that were stacked up looked to be a rest for the weapon. There was a very slight crease in the box, where the rifle could have lain -- at the same angle that the shots were fired from. I didn't lay my hands on anything, because I wanted to save every evidence we could for fingerprints. So I leaned out the window, the same window from which the shots were fired, looked down, and I saw Sheriff Bill Decker and Captain Will Fritz. So I hollered....I whistled a time or two before I got anybody to see me. I told him to get the crime lab officers in route, that I had the location spotted. So I stood guard to see that no one disturbed anything until Captain Will Fritz approached with his group of officers. POLICE OFFICER J.D. TIPPIT IS SHOT 1:15 P.M. Witness Helen Markham describes the shooting, and Warren Reynolds and Detective Paul Bentley recall the pursuit of the suspect. Helen Markham: I seen this man on the opposite side, across the street from me. He was almost across Patton Street....walking up 10th, away from me. I noticed a police car coming. He was driving real slow, almost up to this man. This man kept walking, and the police car going real slow now, real slow. The man stopped. I saw the man come over to the car very slow.... I didn't think nothing about it; you know, the police are nice and friendly. In a few minutes...this man put his arms up, leaned over, and he drew back, and he stepped back about two steps. The policeman calmly opened the car door, very slowly, wasn't angry or nothing, he calmly crawled out of this car. Just as the policeman got...towards the front of the car...even with the wheel on the driver's side, this man shot the policeman. He fell to the ground, and his cap went a little ways out on the street. The man, he just walked calmly, fooling with his gun. Come back towards me, turned around and went back....towards Patton. When he saw me he looked at me, stared at me. I put my hands over my face, closed my eyes. I gradually opened my fingers, and I opened my eyes, and when I did he started off in kind of a little trot. Warren Reynolds: Our office is up high where I can have a pretty good view of what was going on. When I heard the shots, I went out on this front porch. I saw this man coming down the street with the gun in his hand. He turned the corner of Patton and Jefferson, going west, and put the gun in his pants and took off, walking. I followed him up the street behind the service station and lost him....I went back there and looked up and down the alley and didn't see him and looked through the cars and still didn't see him. When the police got there...I was trying to assure them that he was still there close. And they got word that he was down at a library, which was about three blocks down the street on the opposite side of the street. And every one of them left to go there. So when they left, well, I did too. I didn't know this man had shot a policeman. I wouldn't probably be near as brave if I had known that. Detective Bentley: The first thing I saw was Officer Tippit's patrol car sitting there with quite a bit of blood on the pavement where Tippit had fallen. At that particular time there were several officers talking to various witnesses who had seen the shooting....We were there only five or 10 minutes when we had heard lots of reports that the suspect had been seen in the public library there at Marcellus and Jefferson. Also a report that he had been seen entering the Texas Theatre. <img alt="http://www.historynet.com/ah/nov22.gif" height="36" width="180" /> THE RIFLE IS FOUND 1:22 P.M. Police locate the rifle on the 6th floor of the Depository, and Police Lieutenant Carl Day inspects for fingerprints. Deputy Mooney: By that time there was a number of officers up there....And we were searching, trying to find the weapon at that time. I was about 10 or 15 steps at the most from Officer Boone when he hollered, "Here is the gun!" I stepped over there...I had to look twice before I actually saw the gun laying in there...stuck between these cartons in an upright position. Lieutenant Day: We were working on the fingerprints and so forth of the area where the shooting occurred. We found one good palm print on top of that box, which Oswald was sitting on. We collected the three spent cartridges, cases. I used the powder on them and didn't find any prints there, which is not unusual on a cartridge case or bullet....While we were working with that, Captain Fritz sent word for me to come to the...northwest corner of the building....They had found the gun. So we took our camera and went over there and made several shots of that. It had a telescopic sight, but there was no name on that gun. Visually you could tell it was what we called a wartime finish. And this gun was a very rough finish, the stock was rough. It wasn't the best place to find a fingerprint to start with. After we got the pictures taken, I reached down and picked the rifle up. It had a leather strap on it. It was apparent that you could not get a fingerprint off that leather strap -- it was entirely too rough. I picked it up by the leather strap. I took a little powder...and put it on the knob of the bolt, that you pull the bolt back to eject the shell. It was too small to do anything with, there was no print there. I held the gun by the strap, and Captain Fritz got a hold of that bolt and pulled it back and opened it, and a live round fell out. It was ready to fire again....I told Captain Fritz this is not the place to try to work on this gun. I took it back to the City Hall and locked it up. <img alt="http://www.historynet.com/ah/nov22.gif" height="36" width="180" /> LBJ IS INFORMED KENNEDY IS DEAD AND RETURNS TO LOVE FIELD Before it is officially announced, Johnson is informed he is now president and must immediately return to Air Force One. Malcolm Kilduff: Before 1 o'clock, I went to [Kennedy aide] Kenneth O'Donnell, and I said, "Kenny, we're going to have to announce the president's death." And he said, "Hell," he said, "don't ask me. Go ask Johnson." So, I went across the hall into a trauma room...and I walked in and I didn't know what to call him. I didn't know Lyndon Johnson that well. I had seen him around the White House. He knew me by name....But I suddenly realized I didn't know what to call him. The situation, de facto, he was the president. I just said, "Mr. President," and Lady Bird just kind of screamed. And apparently...when I said that to him was the first solid information that he had that he was the de facto president. I said, "I'm going to have to announce President Kennedy's death." And he said: "Well....We don't know what kind of a conspiracy this might be....But I think Bird and I ought to get out of here and back to Air Force One before you make the announcement." And I said, "All right." So, he said, "Come on....Let's go on back to the plane." Lyndon Johnson: When Mr. [Kenneth] O'Donnell told us to get on the plane and go back to Washington, I asked about Mrs. Kennedy. O'Donnell told me that Mrs. Kennedy would not leave the hospital without the president's body, and urged again that we go ahead and take Air Force One and return to Washington. I did not want to go and leave Mrs. Kennedy in this situation. I said so, but I agreed that we would board the airplane and wait until Mrs. Kennedy and the president's body were brought aboard the plane. We left the room and were ushered by a cordon of agents to cars which were awaiting us. PRESIDENT'S DEATH ANNOUNCED 1:31 P.M. Malcolm Kilduff: I received word that he [Johnson] was back [at Air Force One], and at approximately 1:31, I went ahead and made the announcement....The most difficult thing was to say that John Kennedy was dead....And I didn't get into it clean because I guess it's sort of like telling somebody that a close friend has died. It's hard to come out....you don't want to say it because once you've said it....That by saying it, it's so, and if I don't say it, it won't be so. I have no recollection of the press in front of me. JOHNSON BOARDS AIR FORCE ONE Lyndon Johnson: We were ushered into the private quarters of the president's plane. It didn't seem right for John Kennedy not to be there. I told someone that we preferred for Mrs. Kennedy to use these quarters. I called Robert Kennedy....Despite his shock, he discussed the practical problems at hand -- problems of special urgency because we did not at that time have any information as to the motivation of the assassination or its possible implications. The attorney general said that he would like to look into the matter of whether the oath of office as president should be administered to me immediately or after we returned to Washington, and that he would call back. I thereafter talked with McGeorge Bundy and Walter Jenkins, both of whom urged that the return to Washington should not be delayed. I told them I was waiting for Mrs. Kennedy and for the president's body to be placed on the plane, and would not return prior to that time. Our conversation was interrupted to allow the attorney general to come back on the line. He said that the oath should be administered to me immediately, before taking off for Washington, and that it should be administered by a judicial officer of the United States. I thought of Sarah Hughes, an old friend who is judge of the U.S. District Court in Dallas. We telephoned Judge Hughes' office. She was not there, but she returned the call in a few minutes and said she would be at the airplane in 10 minutes. <img alt="http://www.historynet.com/ah/nov22.gif" height="36" width="180" /> OSWALD'S CAPTURE AND ARREST 1:50 P.M. Detective Paul Bentley describes the arrest and transport of the suspect. Detective Bentley: Captain Talbert and I went to the Texas Theatre. I got out in the front and immediately went into the theater and identified myself.... I did not stop at the cashier booth in the front....I went right in to the ticket taker, and this person advised me that the suspect had been seen going to the balcony, so I first went to the mezzanine which was the first flight of stairs...and I checked the men and women's restrooms and office space on the mezzanine and then went to the balcony. I did have my revolver in my hand at that particular time....Once I got to the balcony I could see several officers coming in from the stage or back entrance. I had advised the projectionist to turn on the house lights...the movie was cut off. After checking the people in the balcony...there were only three or four people there, about that time a uniformed officer came up from the other side, and I advised him to take the names of the people in the balcony and I went back downstairs to go into the theater to help check the people on the ground floor. I had only taken a few steps in when I saw Officer McDonald come up in the row in front of the suspect. Just as McDonald came up in front of him, he jumped up, hit Officer McDonald in the face.... He pulled the revolver from his waist. When I first saw it, he had the revolver in his hand pointing it toward McDonald, and that's when I tried to get just as close to him as possible, trying to grab for the weapon. I came over the backs of the seats, and I hung my right ankle in between the seats and in scuffling with him to get him under control...I pulled a leg muscle in my right ankle. I was not aware of that at the time. ...As I was grabbing for the weapon that Oswald had pulled out, I came down on the side of Oswald. And I remember I did hit him with an open hand, and this ring could have...made the scrape marks on his right temple...forehead. There were several officers grabbing for Oswald. He was wrestled to the floor. I never saw an officer hit him with a fist, shotgun butt, or anything else at the time he was in my presence. We had an unmarked police car...parked in front of the theater, and as we went out there were numerous people...police officers and civilian people out in front of the theater....As we were bringing him out of the theater...he was telling me..."Oh, the handcuffs are too tight." I reached back and felt that I could get my middle finger in between his wrists and the handcuffs, and in my opinion, they were not too tight. Traffic was stopped. We could hardly get this car out...we heard several people rolling their windows down and saying, "Kill that S.O.B!" We were not aware that we had arrested the person who had assassinated President Kennedy and wounded Gov. Connally. We radioed the dispatcher...that we had a suspect in the shooting of Officer Tippit. The dispatcher asked us for the name of the suspect, and I had taken his wallet out of his left rear pocket and had taken several cards out of his wallet and it contained several different names. Hidell, Oswald, and I think a couple other aliases, and I gave this all to the dispatcher. I took out of his wallet "Freedom for Cuba" cards...looking for other aliases that we might identify him with. I think it was Sergeant Hill who was talking to the dispatcher and we gave him the names....The dispatcher advised us then that we were to bring this suspect directly to Captain Fritz's office, that he was a prime suspect in the assassination of President Kennedy and the wounding of Gov. Connally. I turned to him and I said, "Did you shoot President Kennedy?" And he said, "You find out for yourself." I sat down to make out a report at one of the desks...and that's when Inspector Putman came over and advised me that there was something wrong with my right ankle, and I looked down and it was swollen. I didn't even realize it was swollen. I could hardly see the shoe it was swollen so bad. <img alt="http://www.historynet.com/ah/nov22.gif" height="36" width="180" /> OSWALD INTERROGATION BEGINS 2:20 P.M. Detective James Leavelle describes questioning Oswald. Detective Leavelle: [While interviewing him] on the shooting of Tippit, Oswald made a statement, "I didn't shoot anybody." I have worked [the slaying of] two other officers, and they had said, "Well, I didn't shoot the cop," or "I didn't shoot the policeman." But Oswald didn't say that. He said, "I didn't shoot anybody." But I also told him, I said, "Well, Lee, you strike me as a pretty intelligent individual." I said, "You know, of course, that we can take the bullets in the officer and use the pistol that you had on you at the time you were arrested and run ballistics on them and prove that the bullets that killed the officer came from your pistol, don't you?" He said, "Yeah, I know that, but you'll just have to do it." I don't know what was going on inside of him, but he struck me as a very calm individual, and he answered my questions very clearly and everything.... MARGUERITE OSWALD COMES TO THE POLICE STATION After being out on the town all night with local and national newsmen, Bob Shieffer -- then a Fort Worth Star-Telegram reporter -- is awakened by his brother. He recounts his amazing afternoon. Bob Shieffer: I was sound asleep when it happened, and Tom...came in and waked me up, and he said: "You better get up. The president's been shot. You better go to work."...by the time I got to the First National Bank building where we parked...and just as I parked my car...it came over my car that the president was dead. I was just beside myself...and I began to cry. The city editor had sent all the reporters to Dallas and there wasn't anybody to answer the phones, and that's when this unbelievable thing happened to me. I was just answering the phones on the city desk when we got this call, and this woman said, "Is there somebody there who can give me a ride to Dallas?" And I said, "Well, you know, lady, this is not the taxi, and the president's been shot." She said, "Well, I heard it on the radio, and they say my son is the one who shot him." And it was Lee Harvey Oswald's mother.... She had been living in Fort Worth when he had defected to the Soviet Union, and so reporters from the Star-Telegram had actually gone out and interviewed her, and perhaps the paper was her only contact. I had a Triumph sports car in those days, and I thought, "My God, I can't bring her over to Dallas in that." And so, I went to the auto editor, Bill Foster...the car dealers always gave him a car and gas to drive for a week or two....I said, "Bill, what kind of car do you have this week?" And he said, "I've got a Cadillac, actually." I explained what had happened, and so the two of us went out to Arlington Heights and, sure enough, standing on the curb at the address she had given us was Lee Harvey Oswald's mother. She had on a little white practical nurse's uniform...and she had these big, black horn-rimmed glasses. I got in the back seat with her and Bill drove, and I tried to talk to her and interviewed her...but she seemed to express no curiosity or interest in the president being shot. She didn't express much interest in what was going to happen to her son. She began to say that people would sympathize with his wife [Marina] and that they would give her money and that she wouldn't get any and that she'd starve to death, and she didn't know how she was going to live. And these...statements were so bizarre that when I wrote the story about it for the next day's paper, I didn't even include most of it....I thought, "This poor woman, who can imagine being in the situation that she had suddenly found herself in?" When we got to the Dallas Police Station, this tale became even stranger. I was wearing my snap-brim hat like I always wore...I took her in and I told the first uniformed cop, "I'm the one that brought Oswald's mother over here, where can we put her so these reporters won't be talking to her?" He found a place for us, and so I put her in there and went in there with her. By that time, we [Star-Telegram] had 17 reporters on the scene. Well, as the evening wore on, they brought Oswald's wife in and finally, Mrs. Oswald, the mother, asked Captain Fritz...if he could arrange for her to see her son, and he said he'd see what he could do. And the next thing I know, they're ushering her and his wife and me into this holding room next to the jail, and I'm just kind of sitting there thinking, "When is this going to end?"...At this point, not one person there had asked me who I was....Finally, one of the officers said, "Who are you with?" And I said, "Who are you with?" And he said, "Are you a newspaper reporter?" And I said, "Well, aren't you a reporter?" I believe that's when I got the first serious death threat as an adult because I think he would have killed me. He said: "You get out of here! I don't ever want to see you again." You know, the first rule of reporting is it's better to apologize than to explain, so I said: "Well, I apologize. I didn't realize I wasn't supposed to be here." And I got out of there.... Bob Jackson: The scene at the police station was just bedlam...you couldn't move...there were so many people in the halls...it was hard to shoot pictures. I photographed Marina, the kids and Oswald's mother in a group. I don't know how I stumbled onto that, but I was real pleased with the picture. <img alt="http://www.historynet.com/ah/nov22.gif" height="36" width="180" /> RIFLE SHOWN TO MARINA OSWALD Homicide Captain Will Fritz and Lieutenant Day confront Marina Oswald with the rifle. Captain Fritz: I also asked Lieutenant Day to bring the rifle down after I sent after [Marina] Oswald, and had her look at the rifle. She couldn't identify it positively, it looked like the rifle that he had, but she couldn't say for sure. [she] thought he brought it from New Orleans. Lieutenant Day: Captain Fritz had Marina Oswald in his office....He came up to my office and said he wanted her to look at the gun to see if she could identify it, but he didn't want to bring her out into the reporters out there in the hall. I'm accustomed to four, five, six reporters hanging out in that hall all the time in any major case. And if I wrapped the thing up, it's likely to mess up the powder or prints that are on there. So I just picked it up by...the strap and the stock, and I decided I'd carry it like that down, and go through a few reporters and show it to her. Well when I got off at the third floor, I was shocked. There was television cameras and I don't know how many people were there....And here I am with a piece of evidence, standing there holding it over my head, and all these people around. But Captain Fritz and his men spread them out, and I walked on through holding the gun over my head so nobody would touch it. And showed it to Marina Oswald in the office....I finally took the gun on back upstairs. But they got that television picture of me holding it over my head and everything else. Looked to me like I was trying to show the thing off, which...was a poor way of handling evidence. BODY MOVED FROM PARKLAND TO AIR FORCE ONE 2:20 P.M. Authorities contest control of the president's body, as recounted by Agent Roy Kellerman and Henry Wade, Dallas district attorney. Agent Kellerman: I was requested by Mr. O'Donnell, one of the presidential assistants, to obtain a casket, because they wanted to return to Washington immediately. I contacted the administrator of the hospital and asked him to take me where I could telephone the nearest mortuary, which I did, requested that their best available casket be brought to the emergency entrance in my name immediately. The casket did arrive from the O'Neal Mortuary, Inc., in their own hearse, which we then wheeled into the emergency room. I left the emergency room and asked that two of our agents...clear all the corridors, and I checked the closest and most immediate route to the ambulance. ...Another gentleman came into this little doctor's room...he represented himself to be from the Health Department or commission. He said to me: "There has been a homicide here, you won't be able to remove the body. We will have to take it down there to the mortuary and have an autopsy." I said, "No, we are not." And he said, "We have a law here you have to comply with it." With that Dr. [George] Burkley walked in, and I said: "Doctor, this man is from some health unit in town. He tells me we can't remove this body." The doctor became a little enraged; he said: "We are removing it. This is the president of the United States and there should be some consideration in an event like this." And I told this gentleman, "You are going to have to come up with something a little stronger than [the] law that this body can't be removed." Shortly he leaves this little room and it seems like a few minutes he is back and he has another gentleman with him, and he said: "He is a judge here in Dallas. He will tell you whether you can remove this body or not." I said: "It doesn't make any difference. We are going to move it. Judge, do you know who I am?" The poor man looked at me and he said, "I know who you are, I can't help you out." I said: "All right, sir." But then I happened to look to the right and I can see the casket coming on rollers, and I just left the room and let it out through the emergency entrance and we got to the ambulance and put it in, shut the door after Mrs. Kennedy and General [Godfrey] McHugh and Clinton Hill got in the rear part of this ambulance. Henry Wade: ...Aaron Ward was a justice of the peace at Parkland. He called me just as I got back to the office and he said, "Now, they're having a fight over John F. Kennedy's body."...You have the Secret Service, the FBI and Jackie Kennedy trying to take the body on to Washington, and on the other side, you have Dr. [Earl] Rose, the medical examiner here, who wants to do the autopsy....And so, Dallas police and the sheriff -- because there's a state law that says you can't take a body out of the state without an autopsy but the fine is $100 -- they wanted to do the autopsy here. I said, "Is the White House doctor there?" And I got him on the phone...I said, "The only thing is, we've got to have some doctor testify that a gunshot wound caused his death." And he said: "Well, we're going to take him to Bethesda. And I'll furnish your doctor when he does the autopsy for the trial." And I got Ward back on there and I said, "Tell him to take him on back." Malcolm Kilduff: They wanted to keep the body here for an autopsy. And Roy Kellerman received word from headquarters to bring it back to Washington for an autopsy at Walter Reed or Bethesda Naval....And that's when Roy Kellerman and some other agents and myself formed sort of a flying wedge...and we flew out that door and put the casket in the ambulance and took off and went to Love Field. Agent Kellerman: I am looking around for Mr. Greer and I don't spot him directly because I want to get out of here in a hurry, and I recognize Agent Berger and I said, "Berger, you get in the front seat and drive and Mr. Stout, you get in the middle and I will get on this side...." As we are leaving a gentleman taps on the driver's window and they roll it down and he says, "I will meet you at the mortuary." [i replied,] "Yes, sir." We went to the airport. <img alt="http://www.historynet.com/ah/nov22.gif" height="36" width="180" /> SWEARING IN OF LYNDON JOHNSON 2:28 P.M. Malcolm Kilduff: We went back to Air Force One, and by that time, Lyndon Johnson had contacted the attorney general, of course...there was no love lost between Lyndon Johnson and Robert Kennedy. But Bobby advised him that in case of any presidential decisions, not knowing what was going on, that it would be best if he was sworn in here. So, that was the decision made by the attorney general, that he should be sworn in...by Judge Sarah Hughes, which, of course, was another slight irony. Lyndon Johnson had opposed her...appointment to the federal bench as a federal district court judge.... We got on Air Force One, and all the Kennedy people were in the far aft section of the plane around the casket. Lyndon Johnson: Mrs. Kennedy and the president's coffin arrived. Mrs. Johnson and I spoke to her. We tried to comfort her, but our words seemed inadequate. She went into the private quarters of the plane. I estimate that Mrs. Kennedy and the coffin arrived about a half-hour after we entered the plane, just after 2 o'clock. About a half-hour later, I asked someone to find out if Mrs. Kennedy would stand with us during the administration of the oath. Mrs. Johnson went back to be with her. Mrs. Kennedy came and stood with us during the moments that

Hi David; sorry no, i know of no known photo that shows anyone on the bench, i wish, imo i always had the impression that Sitzman was referring to the Kennedys coming down Houston and round the corner, that is whom she was concentrating on, i believe, not the motorcycles,but to each their own interpretation, ta b..

Note; FYI if anyone is tempted to order Dr.Stover's tape....ask before if he has corrected the sound, it is very low and poor, i hope by now, he has been able to have this corrected at the time i received mine, there was no way to have such improved.....b

Mike here is the other short video, i believe from TMWKK...FWIW...b

re the comment within above i believe i posted about Zapruder stating that he was gone from the pedestal by Sitzman, before her, here is some info in regard to that statement found within his information...b as well as a phony SS man being confronted by Officer Smith..in the lot, we.have Sam Holland, present on the overpass,and the information and the search behind the fence that took place, as well as others who gave their information ..who were situated there also… Abraham Zapruder: “”Q: After the car passed under the underpass, what did you do? A: I got off the abutment and walked towards my office. I was screaming "They shot him, they shot him." People asked me what happened, they probably didn't see what happened, they heard a shot but didn't see actually what happened. I kept saying, "They killed him, they killed him," and went to my office. Scroll down to Abraham Zapruder's W/C Testimony & the Shaw trial testimony 1, 2.. http://jfkassassinat.../russ/wit.htm#u

mike here's a bit more, fyi..Also she speaks of talking to two men, FBI types, after runniing down the hill, before running back up and peering, out the back of the Pergola....but she is not seen within any of the film taken within the park, talking to two men, after the assassination....but was photographed talking to a reporter and being interviewed.. A receptionist, who it is said to be situated behind and holding onto Zapruder, on the pedestal, also states in her Doctors video tape, that when she turned ,he was gone…she was left standing there alone…and there were other changes..along the years... This information also points towards, that it was not Zapruder seen in the Pergola along with her,and ?... in the Bond ,Rickerby & Stoughton, photos..nor in the questionable Altgens 8.....immediately after the assassination....If as she has stated more than once as well as Zapruder himself, that he went straight back to the office...... Q: When you got to your office what, if anything, did you do with regard to your movie camera and films? A: I had my secretary call either the police or the FBI, I don't remember which. She called somebody. The Secret Service. Q: After this did you do anything in regard to your film? Did you go anywhere with your film? A: Yes, sir, a patrol car came and took me down to a station where they were trying to develop films, but they hadn't got the facilities to develop colored film. We called the Eastman Kodak people and made arrangements for them to develop the film. We went to the Eastman people. Q: After going to the Eastman people did you go anywhere else with your film? A: Yes. They advised me not to cut the film. This was 8 millimeter of the old type that was actually a 16 millimeter film, it was cut after it was developed, and they advised me to go to another -- I think it was Jamieson film, or something like that, to have them developed there into a 16, and they were to somehow process it and split 8 millimeter, and that's what I did. Q: As a result of going with your film to these various locations, Mr. Zapruder, did you have in your possession a developed roll of film, and if so, how many of them? A: The first time the Jamieson people developed the original 16 millimeter, then copies were made at Eastman. I had three copies plus the original. Q: What, if anything, did you do with the three copies and one original? A: One copy was given to the Dallas Secret Service, and one they asked me to bring over to somewhere on Akard Street, I believe it was the FBI or Secret Service, to give them a copy to be sent to Washington. I think it was sent to Washington the same night by Army plane. One copy was given to Life Magazine. Q: During the time your film was being processed, were you present, sir? A: Yes, sir, I was. Q: On that particular day did you have occasion to view what your film showed? A: Yes, the same evening I saw this film. ************************** Marilyn Sitzman, also states in Doctor Stower's tape, under hypnosis that when she turned, he was gone…she was left standing there alone…and that Zapruder went straight back to the office....She also confirmed this below on the history net information... Dr.Stower: Hypnosis Institute of Texas JFK Assasination Center in Dallas. http://www.hypnosisworld.com/p10.htm Even within the doctors information, the spelling of her name is incorrect, it seemed like anything and everything that could possibly go wrong, will and did, but it is Marilyn on the tape, i have a copy, bought some years back, i am astounded now at the price asked, but...the way it is...Note; Marilyn gave the information that was taped to her Doctor, three months before she died of cancer, on Aug.11.1993..b Trouble is Marilyn's story changed, in several recalls over time.....it just happened...as with others... ""Marilyn Sitzman: As I came down that street Mr. Zapruder and a couple of the other women were standing up on the [grassy knoll]. The first part of that film shows me walking up towards him. And I got up there, he turned off the camera, and we're talking about, well, where could he stand...because by that time, there's quite a few people gathering. And we'd go look at this place, and we'd go look at that place. We went over to where that concrete pergola was, and we decided that would be the best place because, I says: "You can get up here. You'll be above everybody. No matter how many people are down there, you won't have anybody blocking your view." And so, he said...he had vertigo, though. If he got up there, he'd get dizzy. So, he says, "You'll have to stand behind me and hold onto me." I says, "It's no problem at all." So we both got up there, and I stood behind him, and I held on to him. When they started to make their first turn...turning into the street, he [Zapruder] said, "OK, here we go." ...That's when I remember he started actually doing the filming. They turned the corner and they started coming down...and the first thing I remember hearing was what I thought was firecrackers because Kennedy threw his hands up, and I heard "bang, bang." There could have been a third "bang," I can't swear to that one. But I know there were two "bangs" very close together, and I thought they were firecrackers because his arms were going into the air, and it was way off to my left and above. I'm just kind of like..."what a stupid thing to throw firecrackers," and as they came down...the last shot that we heard was right in front of us and it was like the same sound...far off and to the left...but I saw his head open up....So, of course, by this time I knew it wasn't firecrackers. When we got down, Mr. Zapruder apparently went directly back to the office. He didn't even stop. I ran down the slope. There were three men in suits running up and that's who I met. And I said: "They killed him! They killed him! And my boss has it on film!" And that's when they got interested in me, when I said that. ". http://www.historyne...ics/3024996.htm *********************** Neither the young black couple on the bench nor coke bottle,or bottles,were ever mentioned by Marilyn Sitzman, before this interview with Josiah Thompson.. The coke bottle, the BDMN and the Man behind the cement wall, I believe had been found by this time within the photographs.... as far as I have been able to establish.. The interview was made in Nov./66.....his first book was released in 1967....He questions her somewhat at length about the possibility of there being space between the pedestal, and the possibility of there being space for a car to have parked in front of the fence...... the further you research into this pergola area imo it becomes further confusing, and information becomes not nearly as clear as it should have been...b

Mike this was from the Life magazine interview fwiw..there is, was, also a short video clip that went with this still available, and her interview for TMWKK on utube if interested, they can be found within the video links..b HERE'S JUST ONE... THIS IS THE INTERVIEW THAT SHE DID ON the knoll, after the assassination with a reporter i believe from the DMN ,sorry caps, sorry right now i cannot recall the reporters name, perhaps some else can..and there is of course no sound..bfwiw, you will see a difference within her information in the life interview as.......?..it has been researched and found that some researchers believe that she zap and the hesters to be in the pergola, immediately after the assassination as seen in . in the Bond ,Rickerby & Stoughton, photos..and in the questionable Altgens 8........ but as in the posted photo info from life she has stated more than once as well as Zapruder himself, that he went straight back to the office......b

Hi Mike : There were many they apparently did not want to hear from..... On the MWKK.....1988....as far as the Zapruder film is concerned.......Marilyn says.... Quote " He started filming about .....oh....just before they came around the corner......and then we heard what to me sounded like two firecrackers...it was starting to get a little confusing because you could see things happening in the car..." and on.....So she does in her own Quotable words, state that he did start to film the motorcade as they just started to turn the corner....so where is the film showing it.?? That is another question .. on not being interviewed: '' Marilyn Sitzman: quote...""I was totally ignored. Nobody from Warren [Commission]talked to me, nobody from the FBI, none of the Secret Service, nobody, absolutely nothing. After I had gone to the office, nobody could have cared if I dropped dead myself. ...it was 1963, I was female, and I was young. And I was irrelevant.." On the video "Image of an Assassination: Another Look at the Zapruder Film " released in 1988 Marilyn says. "when they started making their first turn, turning into the street, he said, o.k. here we go, or something to that effect ''

The New York Times Admits That Virtually Every Major News Organization Allows The News To Be Censored By Government Officials http://tinyurl.com/dykynkj

http://www.kenrahn.com/jfk/the_critics/fonzi/WC_Truth_Specter/WC_Truth_Specter.html The Warren Commission, The Truth, and Arlen Specter By Gaeton Fonzi Greater Philadelphia Magazine, 1 August 1966 From the reports, the staff lawyers had to decide what witnesses would be questioned further, which should be brought to testify before the formal hearings of the Commission (only 94 of the 552 who provided testimony finally were), what questions needed further investigation and what details were relevant or irrelevant. There were no independent investigators

mike Marilyn was not called by the w/c as so many others were not, like the Newmans, and many others, nor was she interviewed by the authoritys when they visited Dallas, to interview the witnesses...therefore there is no mention of her name within.nor many others, it appeared that the closer the witness to the assassination, the further away they stayed.....b The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/

Hi Mike, hang around long enough and i believe you will get some '' love notes'' as i call them from the ''Pope'' , imo you should not even think about him replying to any post you make from your research, too bad if your theory conficts with anything within his, this is a free forum, you should nor should anyone, think twice that their information may conflict with his, he is imo ''all talk'' and no action, and only talk if someone else does the posting for him, he is only one of a million voices who has one opinion, whether he roams the TSBD or not....never let him bother you, imo he is not worth the bother any longer.....he has proven many times he is no help just a pot stirrer, who has not got two feet to stand on his own and do his own posting, why, well perhaps he might not want to face the different opinions from members, see if someone pretends to be a know it all and never confronts, opposition, well who knows if he does know all as is assumed,or has not got the wherewithal to stand his ground....imo...no doubt a love note will appear in my mail box.too bad... b........

going from memory, i think someone wanted to see a copy of the Dillard damaged...fwiw... b

Thank you James, i , curious, went into In The Eye of History and clued up, yes there was much confusion and has been off and on down through the years from the way Sibert and Oneil described the fragment in their report, for those interested here is a link to MF HSCA Report, Volume V! ..Recovered Bulet During JFK Autopsy...... http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=958&relPageId=308 best b