Bernice Moore

Thanks again Paul for the reread.....been a long time since i spent any time in Dallas with the likes of Schmidt and friends...here is a link, scroll down some, letters from Schmidt that you or some may be interested in..best and btw, thanks every so for being so prominent in bringing forth the truth about OUR HARRY ; that many of us knew ,believed and backed him for all these years, a tremendous job, so very well done, thanks again...b http://www.officialb...thejfkfiles.htm and the Weissman info here on the forum... http://www.spartacus...FKweissmanB.htm

http://educationforu...t.com/index.php? http://ca.yahoo.com/...r258=1338210283 the Mods; Thanks Don,& Evan for your very kind words, they are appreciated, as I did ponder for quite awhile whether to post or not. I will add as this opportunity has been presented, to say The moderation duties, which are so seldom complimented,and Which is seen as, and rightly so, the most thankless job on the web, bar none, They IMO are mainly handled here after much consideration on the whole and fairness.. thank you Mods for all the time and your efforts spent The Mod The posts he noted, were heavily bloated, With rantings and ravings and heaven knows, cravings ?, I know, said the one, You don't, said tother,your research is through, If I have my druther, The Mod he did sigh, Why oh dear Why??, Do they even begin, they puff and they snort, The're wearing,and tearing; The're way overbearing; The Mod he did act with swiftness galore, He hoped that it worked and not seen as a bore, Still they bloated, and puffed the thread did get heavy, It's locked, Oh My God !!!, their world, almost ended, But give them a bit and they'll be contented, Be back and posting, and acting demented..

Malcolm FYI Here is the information from Jim Marrs book..''CROSSFIRE''......... From "Crossfire" by Jim Marrs Copyright © 1989 by Jim Marrs First published by Carroll & Graff 1989 CONVENIENT DEATHS In the three-year period which followed the murder of President Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald, 18 material witnesses died - six by gunfire, three in motor accidents, two by suicide, one from a cut throat, one from a karate chop to the neck, five from natural causes. An actuary, engaged by the London Sunday Times, concluded that on November 22, 1963m the odds against these witnesses being dead by February 1967, were one hundred thousand trillion to one. The above comment on the deaths of assassination witnesses was published in a tabloid companion piece to the movie _Execution Action_, released in 1973. By that time, part of the mythology of the Kennedy assassination included the mysterious deaths of people who were connected with it. By the mid-1960s, people in Dallas already were whispering about the number of persons who died under strange or questionable circumstances. Well into the 1980s, witnesses and others were hesitant to come forward with information because of the stories of strange and sudden death that seemed to visit some people with information about the assassination. Finally, in the late 1970s, the House Select Committee on Assassinations felt compelled to look into the matter. But aside from discrediting the London Sunday Times actuarial study, the Committee was unable to come to any conclusions regarding the growing number of deaths. The Committee said it could not make a valid actuarial study due to the broad number and types of persons that had to be included in such a study. In response to a letter from the Committee, London Sunday Times legal manager Anthony Whitaker stated: Our piece about the odds against the deaths of the Kennedy witnesses was, I regret to say, based on a careless journalistic mistake and should not have been published. This was realized by The Sunday Times editorial staff after the first edition - the one which goes to the United States... - had gone out, and later editions were amended. There was no question of our actuary having got his answer wrong: it was simply that we asked him the wrong question. He was asked what were the odds against 15 named people out of the population of the United States dying within a short period of time, to which he replied - correctly - that they were very high. However, if one asks what are the odds against 15 of those included in the Warren Commission Index dying within a given period, the answer is, of course, that they are much lower. Our mistake was to treat the reply to the former question as if it dealt with the latter - hence the fundamental error in our first edition report, for which we apologize. This settled the matter for the House Committee, which apparently made little or no attempt to seriously study the number of deaths that followed the JFK assassination. Jacqueline Hess, the Committee's chief of research for the JFK investigation, reported: Our final conclusion on the issue is that the available evidence does not establish anything about the nature of these deaths which would indicate that the deaths were in some manner, either direct or peripheral, caused by the assassination of President Kennedy or by any aspect of the subsequent investigation. However, an objective look at both the number and the causes of death balanced against the importance of the person's connection to the case, still causes raised eyebrows among those who study such a list. In this section, people who were connected - no matter how tenuously - with the assassination and who are now dead are listed according to date of death. This is dealing only with deaths, not with the numerous persons - such as Warren Reynolds, Roger Craig, and Richard Carr - who claim to have been shot at or attacked. This chapter has been entitled "Convenient Deaths" because these deaths certainly would have been convenient for anyone not wishing the truth of the JFK assassination to become public. The CIA has gone to some lengths to discredit the idea of mysterious deaths plaguing assassination witnesses. A 1967 memo from CIA headquarters to station chiefs advised: Such vague accusations as that "more than 10 people have died mysteriously" can always be explained in some rational way: e.g., the individuals concerned have for the most part died of natural causes; the [Warren] Commission staff questioned 418 witnesses - the FBI interviewed far more people, conducting 25,000 interviews and reinterviews - and in such a large group, a certain number of deaths are to be expected. Testifying before the Church Committee in 1975, CIA technicians told of a variety of TWEP technology - Terminate With Extreme Prejudice - that cannot be detected in a postmortem examination. One recently declassified CIA document, a letter from an Agency consultant to a CIA officer, states: You will recall that I mentioned that the local circumstances under which a given means might be used might suggest the technique to be used in that case. I think the gross divisions in presenting this subject might be: (1) bodies left with no hope of the cause of death being determined by the most complete autopsy and chemical examinations (2) bodies left in such circumstances as to simulate accidental death (3) bodies left in such circumstances as to simulate suicidal death (4) bodies left with residue that simulates those caused by natural diseases. The letter goes on to show that undetected murders do not have to be the result of sophisticated chemicals. It states: There are two techniques which I believe should be mentioned since they require no special equipment besides a strong arm and the will to do such a job. These would be either to smother the victim with a pillow or to strangle him with a wide piece of cloth such as a bath towel. In such cases, there are no specific anatomic changes to indicate the cause of death... While it is obvious that the CIA - and hence the mob through operatives who work for both - has the capability of killing, it is less well known that the Agency has developed drugs to induce cancer. Recall that Jack Ruby died of sudden lung cancer just as he had been granted a new trial. A 1952 CIA memo reported on the cancer-causing effects of beryllium: "This is certainly the most toxic inorganic element and it produces a peculiar fibrotic tumor at the site of local application. The amount necessary to produce these tumors is a few micrograms." Local law-enforcement officers and coroners are not equipped, either by training or by inclination, to detect deaths induced by such sophisticated means. They look for signs of a struggle, evidence of a break-in, bruises, or marks on the victim. With no evidence to the contrary, many deaths are ruled suicide or accident. Others are ruled due to natural causes, such as heart attack. It is interesting to note how the deaths are grouped. Many of the earliest deaths came during the time of the Warren Commission investigation or just afterwards. More deaths took place in the late 1960s as New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison was launching his investigation. Other suspicious deaths occurred during the mid-1970s, as the Senate Intelligence Committee was looking into assassinations by U.S. intelligence agencies. And finally, another spate of deaths came around 1977, just as the House Select Committee on Assassinations was gearing up its investigation. These deaths are listed below in chronological order. An asterisk means the death is a particularly suspicious one. They are also grouped according to which investigation was being conducted at the time. The possibility of convenient deaths leads one into a well of paranoia, yet this long list cannot be summarily dismissed. Obviously, many of these deaths - particularly in recent years - can be ascribed to the passage of time. But others cannot - especially when viewed in the context of the assassination inquiries taking place at the time. Read for yourself and consider... When does coincidence end and conspiracy begin? List of Deaths Date Name Connection with Case Cause of Death 11/63 Karyn Kupcinet* TV host's daughter who was Murdered overheard telling of JFK's death prior to 11/22/63 The Warren Commission Investigation 12/63 Jack Zangretti* Expressed foreknowledge of Gunshot victim Ruby shooting Oswald 2/64 Eddy Benavides* Look-alike brother to Tippit Gunshot to head shooting witness, Domingo Benavides 3/64 Betty McDonald* Former Ruby employee who Suicide by hanging alibied Warren Reynolds in Dallas jail shooting suspect 3/64 Bill Chesher Thought to have information Heart attack linking Oswald and Ruby 3/64 Hank Killam* Husband of Ruby employee, Throat cut knew Oswald acquaintance 4/64 Bill Hunter* Reporter who was in Ruby's Accidental shooting apartment on 11/24/63 by policeman 5/64 Gary Underhill* CIA agent who claimed Gunshot in head, Agency was involved Ruled suicide 5/64 Hugh Ward* Private investigator working Plane crash in with Guy Banister and David Mexico Ferrie 5/64 DeLesseps Morrison* New Orleans mayor Passenger in Ward's plane 8/64 Teresa Norton* Ruby employee Fatally shot 6/64 Guy Banister* Ex-FBI agent in New Orleans Heart attack connected to Ferrie, CIA, Carlos Marcello and Oswald 9/64 Jim Koethe* Reporter who was in Ruby's Blow to neck apartment on 11/24/63 9/64 C.D. Jackson Life Magazine senior vice Unknown president who bought Zapruder film and locked it away 10/64 Mary Pinchot Meyer* JFK mistress whose diary was Murdered taken by CIA chief James Angleton after her death 1/65 Paul Mandal Life writer who told of JFK Cancer turning to rear when shot in throat 3/65 Tom Howard* Ruby's first lawyer, was in Heart attack Ruby's apartment on 11/24/63 5/65 Maurice Gatlin* Pilot for Guy Banister Fatal Fall 8/65 Mona B. Saenz* Texas Employment clerk who Hit by Dallas bus interviewed Oswald ?/65 David Goldstein Dallasite who helped FBI Natural causes trace Oswald's pistol 9/65 Rose Cheramie* Knew of assassination in Hit/run victim advance, told of riding to Dallas with Cubans 11/65 Dorothy Kilgallen* Columnist who had private Drug overdose interview with Ruby, pledged to "break" JFK case 11/65 Mrs. Earl Smith* Close friend to Dorothy Unknown Kilgallen, died two days after columnist, may have kept Kilgallen's notes 12/65 William Whaley* Cabdriver who reportedly Motor Collision drove Oswald to Oak Cliff (the only Dallas taxi driver to die on duty) 1966 Judge Joe Brown Presided over Ruby's trial Heart attack 1966 Karen "Little Lynn" Ruby employee who last talked Gunshot victim Carlin* with Ruby before Oswald shooting 1/66 Earline Roberts Oswald's landlady Heart attack 2/66 Albert Bogard* Car salesman who said Oswald Suicide test drove new car 6/66 Capt. Frank Martin Dallas police captain who Cancer witnessed Oswald slaying, told Warren Commission, "There's a lot to be said, but probably be better if I don't say it." 8/66 Lee Bowers, Jr.* Witnessed men behind picket Motor accident fence on Grassy Knoll 9/66 Marilyn "Delilah" Ruby dancer Shot by husband Walle* after one month of marriage 10/66 William Pitzer* JFK autopsy photographer Gunshot, ruled who described his duty as suicide "horrifying experience" 11/66 Jimmy Levens Fort Worth nightclub owner Natural causes who hired Ruby employee 11/66 James Worrell, Jr.* Saw man flee rear of Texas Motor accident School Book Depository 1966 Clarence Oliver D.A. investigator who Unknown worked Ruby case 12/66 Hank Suydam Life magazine official in Heart attack charge of JFK stories The Garrison Inquiry Date Name Connection with Case Cause of Death 1967 Leonard Pullin Civilian Navy employee who One-car crash helped film _Last Two Days_ about assassination 1/67 Jack Ruby Oswald's slayer Lung cancer (He told family he was injected with cancer cells.) 2/67 Harold Russell* Saw escape of Tippit killer Killed by cop in bar brawl 2/67 David Ferrie* Acquaintance of Oswald, Blow to neck, Garrison suspect, and ruled accidental employee of Guy Banister 2/67 Eladio Del Valle* Anti-Castro Cuban associate Gunshot wound, of David Ferrie being sought ax wound to head by Garrison 3/67 Dr. Mary Sherman* Ferrie associate working on Died in fire cancer research (possibly shot) 1/68 A.D. Bowie Assistant Dallas D.A. Cancer prosecuting Ruby 4/68 Hiram Ingram Dallas deputy sheriff, close Cancer friend to Roger Craig 5/68 Dr. Nicholas Chetta New Orleans coroner who ruled Heart attack on death of Ferrie 8/68 Phillip Geraci* Friend of Perry Russo, told of Electrocution Oswald/Shaw connection 1/69 Henry Delaune* Brother-in-law to coroner Murdered Chetta 1/69 E.R. Walthers* Dallas deputy sheriff who Shot by felon was involved in Depository search, claimed to have found .45-cal slug 1969 Charles Mentesana Filmed rifle other than Heart attack Mannlicher-Carcano being taken from Depository 4/69 Mary Bledsoe Neighbor to Oswald, also Natural causes knew David Ferrie 4/69 John Crawford* Close friend to both Ruby and Crash of private Wesley Frazier, who gave ride plane to Oswald on 11/22/63 7/69 Rev. Clyde Johnson* Scheduled to testify about Fatally shot Clay Shaw/Oswald connection 1970 George McGann* Underworld figure, connected Murdered to Ruby friends; wife, Beverly, took film in Dealey Plaza 1/70 Darrell W. Garner Arrested for shooting Warren Drug overdose Reynolds, released after alibi from Betty McDonald 8/70 Bill Decker Dallas sheriff who saw bullet Natural causes hit street in front of JFK 8/70 Abraham Zapruder Took famous film of JFK Natural causes assassination 12/70 Salvatore Granello* Mobster linked to Hoffa, Murdered Trafficante, and Castro assassination plots 1971 James Plumeri* Mobster tied to mob-CIA Murdered assassination plots 3/71 Clayton Fowler Ruby's chief defense attorney Unknown 4/71 Gen. Charles Cabell* CIA deputy director connected Collapsed and to anti-Castro Cubans died after physical at Ft. Myers The Church Committee Investigation Date Name Connection with Case Cause of Death 1972 Hale Boggs* House majority leader, member Disappeared on of Warren Commission who began Alaskan plane to publicly express doubts flight doubts about findings 5/72 J. Edgar Hoover* FBI director who pushed "Lone Heart attack (no assassin" theory in JFK autopsy) assassination 9/73 Thomas E. Davis* Gun runner connected to both Electrocuted Ruby and CIA trying to steal wire 2/74 J.A. Milteer* Miami right-winger who Heater explosion predicted JFK's death and capture of scapegoat 1974 Dave Yaras* Close friend to both Hoffa Murdered and Jack Ruby 7/74 Earl Warren Chief justice who reluctantly Heart failure chaired Warren Commission 8/74 Clay Shaw* Prime suspect in Garrison Possible cancer case, reportedly a CIA contact with Ferrie and E. Howard Hunt 1974 Earle Cabell Mayor of Dallas on 11/22/63, Natural causes whose brother, Gen. Charles Cabell, was fired from CIA by JFK 6/75 Sam Giancana* Chicago Mafia boss slated to Murdered tell about CIA-mob death plots to Senate Committee 1975 Clyde Tolson J. Edgar Hoover's assistant Natural causes and roommate 7/75 Allan Sweatt Dallas deputy sheriff involved Natural causes in investigation 12/75 Gen. Earl Wheeler Contact between JFK and CIA Unknown 1976 Ralph Paul Ruby's business partner Heart attack connected with crime figures 4/76 James Chaney Dallas motorcycle officer Heart attack to JFK's right rear who said JFK "struck in the face" with bullet 4/76 Dr. Charles Gregory Governor John Connally's Heart attack physician 6/76 William Harvey* CIA coordinator for CIA-mob Complications of assassination plans against heart surgery Castro 7/76 John Roselli* Mobster who testified to Stabbed and Senate committee, was to stuffed in metal appear again drum 1977 - A Terrible Year for Many The year 1977 produced a bumper crop of candidates for listing under convenient deaths connected with the JFK assassination - including the deaths of six top FBI officials all of whom were scheduled to testify before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Topping this list was former number-three man in the FBI, William C. Sullivan, who had already had a preliminary meeting with the investigators for the House Committee. Sullivan was shot with a high-powered rifle near his New Hampshire home by a man who claimed to have mistaken him for a deer. The man was charged with a misdemeanor - "shooting a human being by accident" - and released to the custody of his father, a state policeman. There was no further investigation of Sullivan's death. Louis Nichols was a special assistant to J. Edgar Hoover as well as Hoover's liaison with the Warren Commission. Alan H. Belmont also was a special assistant to Hoover. James Cadigan was a document expert with access to many classified assassination documents, while J.M. English headed the FBI laboratory where Oswald's rifle and pistol were tested. Donald Kaylor was the FBI fingerprint expert who examined prints found at the assassination scene. None of these six Bureau officials lived to tell what they knew to the House Committee. Other key assassination witnesses, such as George DeMohrenschildt and former Cuban president Carlos Prio Soccaras, died within weeks of each other in 1977, just as they, too, were being sought by the House Committee. The ranks of both organized crime and U.S. intelligence agencies were thinned by deaths beginning in 1975, the time of the Senate Intelligence Hearings, and 1978, the closing months of the House Committee. Charles Nicoletti, a mobster connected with the CIA-Mafia assassination plots, was murdered in Chicago, while William Pawley, a former diplomat connected with both organized crime and CIA figures, reportedly committed suicide. Adding to rumors that "hit teams" may have been at work, a Time magazine article reported that federal agents had initiated a nationwide investigation into more than 20 gangland assassinations constituting what agents believed was an "open underworld challenge to governmental infiltration of Mafia activities." One FBI source was quoted as saying: "Our main concern is that we may be facing a revival of the old `Murder, Inc.' days." A New York News story concerning this official fear of roving assassination squads even mentions the death of Sam Giancana, who was killed one day before he was scheduled to testify about mob-CIA connections and while under government protection. Prior to the House Committee investigation into the JFK assassination, the news media reported the following deaths: Date Name Connection with Case Cause of Death 1/77 William Pawley* Former Brazilian ambassador Gunshot, ruled connected to anti-Castro suicide Cubans, crime figures 3/77 George Close friend to both Oswald Gunshot wound, DeMohrenschildt* and Bouvier family (Jackie ruled suicide Kennedy's parents), CIA contract agent 3/77 Carlos Prio Former Cuban president, Gunshot wound, Soccaras* money man for anti-Castro ruled suicide Cubans 3/77 Paul Raigorodsky Business friend of George Natural causes DeMohrenschildt and wealthy oilmen 5/77 Lou Staples* Dallas radio talk show host Gunshot to head, who told friends he would ruled suicide break case 6/77 Louis Nichols Former number-three man in Heart attack FBI, worked on JFK investigation 8/77 Alan Belmont FBI official who testified to "Long illness" Warren Commission 8/77 James Cadigan FBI document expert who Fall in home testified to Warren Commission 8/77 Joseph C. Ayres* Chief steward on JFK's Shooting accident Air Force One 8/77 Francis G. Powers* U-2 pilot downed over Russia Helicopter crash in 1960 (he reportedly ran out of fuel) 9/77 Kenneth O'Donnell JFK's closest aide Natural causes 10/77 Donald Kaylor FBI fingerprint chemist Heart attack 10/77 J.M. English Former head of FBI Forensic Heart attack Sciences Laboratory 11/77 William Sullivan* Former number-three man in Hunting accident FBI, headed Division 5, counterespionage and domestic intelligence 1978 C.L. "Lummie" Lewis Dallas deputy sheriff who Natural causes arrested Mafia man Braden in Dealey Plaza 9/78 Garland Slack Man who said his target was Unknown fired at by Oswald at rifle range 1/79 Billy Lovelady Depository employee said to be Complications the man in the doorway in AP from heart attack photograph 6/80 Dr. John Holbrook Psychiatrist who testified Heart attack, but Ruby was not insane pills, notes found 1/81 Marguerite Oswald Mother of accused assassin Cancer 10/81 Frank Watts Chief felony prosecutor for Natural causes Dallas D.A. 1/82 Peter Gregory Original translator for Natural causes Marina Oswald and Secret Service 5/82 Dr. James Weston Pathologist allowed to see Died while JFK autopsy material for jogging, ruled HSCA natural causes 8/82 Will H. Griffin FBI agent who reportedly Cancer said Oswald was "definitely" an FBI informant 10/82 W. Marvin Gheesling FBI official who helped Natural causes supervise JFK investigation 3/84 Roy Kellerman Secret Service agent in charge Unknown if JFK limousine --- end -------------------- B.

hI paul; thank you for your information, i have read Russell's book, though some time now in the past,it is , was, a fantastic read.and perhaps time for a reread.....in case some have not read the information provided here on the forum re Larry Schmidt....fti.. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKschmidt.htm Larrie Schmidt : Biography

I regret any stepping on toes in this post, if so it is not intentionally done with any malice.. Dr.Jim. in this time of Vinegar,and keeping in mind the Honey times as they say will return..IMO you are far from the only here and elsewhere, that are understandably stubborn in their beliefs of their research and fight for such,......., getting carried away with their responses, and you do get very carried away at times.., as many others do as well, researchers are it seems so emphatically positive of their positions before presentation or not.....that they, we, are and can be very touchy in our efforts, i have never known one not to be, and..It appears with many that ,that is the research way, we CTRS many times are own worse enemies,I also have no doubt that i have assumed similarly in the past....it is in general hard not to do so as we are only human, and therefore full of errors, whether acknowledged or not, we believe our findings and having come to the conclusions after much work and time spent, it is difficult to take, any, even constructive fault finding..We cannot blame researchers for their convictions...as they believe in their work and conclusions period,and rightly so,after all their time and great effort..... It does seem to me that some on here who have posted in reply previously, should take a long thought and perhaps a look into the mirror before they down another for the same action as they are finding fault in.. having done so in the past themselves, ....perhaps we all could back off somewhat with our many critical presumptions and harsh retaliation reply posts, in threads, by trying to reread and adjust before posting, and try to do so with a somewhat kinder frame of mind...which is so very lacking in this sad world we all share, more times than not,and reply not with a get back, or get the better of them mentality as it often seems. Dr.Jim you have been so very selfless in the past with your research and aid in enabling certain young researchers to have the ways and means of attending such as the Lancer and or Copa conventions,and thereby having the opportunity to present their new found research hopefully for all,and you have by investing any profits from your book sales to be returned into the research community in many ways, I for one salute you Sir,for all you have done in the past for the community,with your generousity and research and hope that all will continue. You are my friend, have been and still remain so, you have only been kind to me as well as in generously sharing your information very unselfishly,we do not always agree, we differ as all people do, it seems, but have been able all these years to have kept such on friendly terms, but a word of friendly advice, if i may, tone down the rhetoric.to some degree, it is acceptable to not agree, as you do not and we all do not at times,in reply to others information and responses....like can we not all cool it and take a step back, say halleluah and return to the continuing research..with much less baggage, can we not, let some past ,replies.looked upon as sins it seems ,by some by their reactions to, that they have retained and hopefully not do so forever it appears some will cherishingly, and some gleefully it seems will repeat the fault by another, no matter how far in the distant past they may have happened,but will do so at any given opportunity ,as they cannot get past them, those responses that they felt were unfair,and it is regrettful that by some to be held onto now as almost seemingly grudges so that they can be mentioned again and again, at the given opportunity, some it seems are not able to forgive, the human frailties that we at times have all shareed in, by conveniently forgetting their past behaviour, can we not let sleeping dogs lie, and forgive any who have recently and in the past responded in an uncivil way, perhaps by getting in touch, and or letting it go,and getting over it and get on and hopefully return to the research..as life is too shrt not to imo...the THEY are very pleased every time that this has been temporarily stopped, by allowing the latest disagreements to sidetrack and to their merriment...as they ponder, ''there they go again'' and perhaps thinking, again, they only continually hurt themselves every time they allow their differences to get in the way''.......Just give it a second thought , please.. ...thank you all....best b

http://whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Photos_-_HSCA_Public_Hearings_Exhibits_-_p6 fyi

Some of the photos of information available re Walker...b fwtaw....walker bullet may not be walker bullet...... http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18625&st=0

Given the almost hysterical right-wing bias of Dallas, given a “Patriot” whose brain had envisioned the wholesale slaughter of public officials, an all too easy assumption is that Oswald may have been the pawn in some devious right-wing conspiracy. But, again, it is not necessarily so. In the background are Oswald’s undeniable Castroite activities and his earlier attempt, seemingly well established by the testimony of his wife, to assassinate rightist Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker. That abortive attempt at murder is said to have taken place on the evening of April 10, 1963, when a bullet, fired through the window of Walker’s study, missed his head by inches, went through a wall and was later recovered, battered beyond identification, on some packing cases in an adjoining room. Marina Oswald testified that her husband, before going out that evening, had instructed her on how to act if he never came back. She said that he later admitted to her that he fired the shot, and that he hid the rifle for a time so that he would not be caught with the evidence if the bullet should be traced. The Walker incident could suggest a plot by some Castroite fanatics of Oswald’s own persuasion. For one thing, there are some indications, vague and indefinite but still disturbing, that Oswald was not alone in the Walker attempt. Robert Alan Surrey, who described himself as General Walker’s partner in a book-publishing venture devoted to right-wing propaganda (he claimed the Fifth Amendment when the Warren Commission sought to question him about his role in distributing a scurrilous handbill that showed President Kennedy’s picture under the headline, “Wanted for Treason”) said that two nights before the shooting he had seen a car parked about 20 yards from Walker’s house: “I saw two men around the house peeking into the windows and so forth.” The men leaped into the car and sped away. Surrey chased them, but lost them. The next morning he reported the incident to General Walker, who notified the police. Surrey said he had not had a good look at either of the prowlers, and could not identify either as Oswald. On the night of the Walker shooting, a next-door neighbor, Walter Kirk Coleman, 15, heard the sound of the shot. He ran out and peered over a picket fence into a Mormon Church parking lot that adjoined the Walker property. Coleman subsequently told authorities that he saw two men. One was hurrying toward the driver’s seat of a Ford, parked headed out with lights on and motor running. The other went to a Chevrolet parked by the fence adjacent to the Walker property, and appeared to put something into the back of the car before getting in behind the wheel. Coleman could not tell whether there was anyone else in either car. Both cars drove away. Later, shown a picture of Oswald, Coleman told the FBI that neither of the men he saw resembled Oswald. And there it ends. http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/History/WC_Period/Reactions_to_Warren_Report/Reactions_of_left/Testimony_of_eyewitnesses--Cook/Testimony_of_eyewitnesses.html

Thank you Joe, for your information, greatly appreciated....b

Here's the dpd photo of witnesses. David...originally from Robin, thanks....b

Thanks Vince....b... ''For her part, Jackie “played the events over and over in her mind…She did not want to accept Jack’s death as a freak accident, for that meant his life could have been spared—if only the driver in the front seat of the presidential limousine [Agent William R. Greer] had reacted more quickly and stepped on the gas…if only the Secret Service had stationed agents on the rear bumper…” (“Just Jackie: Her Private Years” by Edward Klein (Ballantine Books, 1999), pages 58-59 & 374: based off an interview Klein had with Kitty Carlisle Hart re: Hart’s conversation with Jackie);''

SPECIAL AGENT CLINT HILL http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16972&hl=%2Bspecial+%2Bagent+%2Bclint+%2Bhill The man gently lowered the sheet just to expose the president's neck, and he began describing the wounds to me. A wound in the front neck area where a tracheotomy had been performed at Parkland Hospital in an effort to revive the president. He said it covered an exit wound.Then gently rolling the president over to one side, he pointed out a wound in the upper back , at the neckline quite small.This he said corresponded to the exit wound at the throat

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-eisele/a-reporter-remembers-when_b_1402982.html A reporter remembers when history tapped him on the shoulder......

Congratulations Don, good on you, very well done, and a thank you to Dr.Glover, of ''Glover's Pedestal......take care b

Bernice, who wrote that? Was that you? If not could you post the web link on that or the source? Thanks, Robert Robert the answer is within the post.................from ''The Secret Service'' chapter ''Losing Lancer'' 2002 Philip H. Melanson....PH..D..with Peter Stevens.............pages 87, 88...take care.....b

Thank you Robert...take care..b

Despite the WC s findings and government insistance on the lone gunman/Oswald conclusion , several of the agents i the President's detail did not accept the assertions. Later some pf the men expressed their belief that the cade was really a conspiracy, as the vast majority of the U.S publuc came to believe. Researcher Vince Palamara interviewed many Secret Service agents and cites Agents, Sam Kinney, Abraham Bolden, Maurice Martineau, Marty Underwood, and John Norris as those who ''believe this ( Conspiracy ) to be the case . In addition says Palamara June Kellerman stated that both Kellerman and fellow agent Bill Greer , who were in the front seat of Kennedy's limo, asserted that there was more to the assassination than the ''Official Version'' let on...Agent Winston Lawson. the advance agent for Kennedy's trip to Dallas . In a recent interview of Lawson, the retired agent was asked, ''Given the mprovements in technology, procedure and intelligence, do you think the Dallas tragedy would have prevented with today's improvements , or would it still be a case of politics over effective protection ?''......Lawson replied '' That's a hard one to say. there is so much more now, Not just training but more people .....(.As a Political Advance Man ........... are you familiar with that term ? (he) comes to the lead Secret Service Advance man and says '' I want the ropes and stanchions brought down , the crowd will be closer.''....skip......There's always going to be a political side versus a Secret Service side, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.''..............Then Lawson offered tidbit previously unheard ; Sometimes the political side will blame the Secret Service for not going to a particular place that they didn't want to go to, using the Secret Service as an excuse''...........Lawson does not join agents who stated or implied . in SEYMOUR HERSH'S The Dark Side of Camelot '' that Kennedy's recklessness brought on his death''............from ''The Secret Service'' chapter ''Losing Lancer'' 2002 Philip H. Melanson....PH..D..with Peter Stevens.............pages 87, 88.....Despite all the lapses and failures of the Secret Service agents in Dallas, Agent Kellerman told the FBI the night after the assassination . ''The precautions employed in Dallas were the most stringent and thorough ever employed.........for the visit of a President to an American city..'' The Commission asked that if this were true, what were the normal protective procedures..Kennedy is alleged to have said to San Antonio Congressman Henry Gonzales, the night before the shooting.The Secret Service have taken care of everything.''.....As events proved on that shocking day , the agency had failed to take care of everything.............

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=5cKNpo2-Rco Vince Palamara: taking on "The Kennedy Detail" & more Clint Hill JFK - YouTube http://www.youtube.c...h?v=NlUa3R8z-fY THE WHITE HOUSE- Vince Palamara & The Kennedy Detail - YouTube and there is a lot more information in regard to the book if interested..on Vince's site......Bolden's book should have been it, as Jim mentions but as we know hollywood way apparently is as afraid of the truth as is the Discovery Channel..... b.. http://www.ctka.net/reviews/kennedydetailreview.html The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

thank you Bill...three cheers... b Read not to contradict and confute, nor to believe and take for granted,...but to weigh and consider....... Frances Bacon...

Pat Jackie also told a friend , to make sure she got a good driver, shortly after i believe, i will look for the quote as it is not coming up...b FYI... http://itwasjohnson....com/zero12a.htm '' YOU SHOULD GET YOURSELF A GOOD DRIVER SO NOTHING EVER HAPPENS TO YOU''JACKIE Kennedy QUOTE; ''my LIFE with jacqueline kennedy .mary barelli Gallagher page..351 1969

James, I can't see a photo or a link here. I don't know why. This has happened before. Kathy C Kathy;i am sure you are forgetting, that members delete posted photos, over time, the forum has only so much, what i will call storage space, and they need to be deleted so as they can post more, also members can only post so many, before their own posted photo space is used up, this has been discussed many times on the forum, and then the forum can continue, see posted topic at the top of the main page, re attachments...plus this is a very old thread......b here's the link top of main page...Important - Attachments & Disk Space http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showannouncement=2&f=126

Hats;and JFK..b

Mike Wallace, ''you and me'b http://www.npr.org/2...e-of-60-minutes

Good points Don; in thinking about what has been researched about the speed of the limo, at that time, i wonder now why Kellerman ignoring the bar in his way to the back seat, and it was in his way to clearly jumping into that seat to JFK,see photo four posts above,#21 why not simply open his door, take a few running steps to the back seat door, open or take a flying leap into and cover JFK ,if Hill could do as he did, it was more than possible that kellerman, could have....In The Kennedy Detail,p 27 it is explained, the first thing the driver is to do, at the first sign of trouble,is to take off increasing speed, and to take immediate evasive action, by zig zagging on the road,Greer did neither...hope all is well, take care..b

THANKS mike, for anyone who has not stayed up to date on the Secret Service, information, Vince Palamara's sites are to be explored, he has presented much information, and tons of documentation that make it apparent that some SS were involved, or knew of what was to be attempted in Dallas...fyi........http://vincepalamara.blogspot.ca/