Bernice Moore

hudson and the red shirt man got down the third man took off up the stairs you see him in his white shirt running up the stairs..also..but in one of the photos and it may be willis 5 he is just seen in align with the lamp post. if i can ever find it i shall...best.b

IF I RECALL JACK THE RESEARCH DONE ON THIS SHOWED HIS SILOUETTE IN LINE BEHIND THE POST I MAY HAVE SOMETHING WILL HAVE A LOOK...B

MUCHMOORE FRAMES BOND TOWNER MAN PEERING OVER FENCE .ON THE EXTREME RIGHT THAT WAS MENTIONED... .MAY HELP.SORRY THE LARGE TOWNER IS TOO BIG TO UPLOAD..SO A SMALLER VERSION HAS BEEN...B

BILL...PERHAPS THE HITLER CHANNEL NAME WILL COME INTO IT'S OWN IF THEY DO KEEP UP THIS KIND OF DISTORTION..OF HISTORY.....ONE NEVER KNOWS...

HI GARY POO I SEE YOU LOGGED ON BELOW BILL GOOD POST MAY I ASK IF IT IS KNOWN IF GARY IS TO BE IN THIS NEW SO CALLED HISTORICAL DOCUMENTARY OR IS INVOLVED IN ANYWAY..ENQUIRING MINDS WOULD LIKE TO KNOW...GARY YOUR HERE YOU HAVE THE FLOOR POST A REPLY AS I AM SURE OF COURSE YOU WILL STRAIGHTEN ME OUT AND HAVE A NONE POSTED BY YOU REPLY...B

THANKS CHRIS APPRECIATED VERY AS ALWAYS BUT THAT MAN DOES HAVE THE LONGEST LEFT ARM I HAVE EVER SEEN JACK RIGHT ON...BEST ALL B..

look at the film herself...21 seconds in.THAT IS A VERY GOOD IDEA FOR ANY WHO THINK OTHERWISE ...HE DOES NOT MAKE THIS STUFF UP AS JACK MENTIONS...AND BTW I MIGHT ADD HE DID NOT PUT IT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE IMO...SURPRISE !!!!! B please excuse the darn caps thank you..

BARB AND DOUG YOU HAVE MENTIONED FERGUSON'S DOCUMENT THAT PAMELA RECEIVED I FINALLY FOUND IT IN STUFF IT APPEARS TO BE WHEN SHE FIRST POSTED ABOUT IT.FOR YOU....FWIW...B Subject: Subject: The JFK Limo at the White House Garage - Ford Memo 12/18/63 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:25:52 -0500 From: Pamela McElwain <pamelam@primenet.com> Organization: Die Zauberflote Newsgroups: startext.jfk I''m including below a typed copy of a document that was sent to me some time ago on a general request from the National Archives for data on the limo SS-100-X. I am not finding a document number for it, am requesting that from NARA, but do find numbers for two similar documents, also inter-company Ford memos regarding "Changes in the White House 'Bubbletop'". They are 180-10112-10188 and 180-10505-10086. Both are also 2-page memos, and their status is "Postponed in full". This document is both puzzling and fascinating to me, because it indicates that the original intent of the SS was to put the limo back into service as quickly as possible. It is quite pathetic to think of this lonely man, Vaughn Fergusun, trying to clean the blood away from the seat cushion buttons with his pen knife, and trying to clean the carpet. For some reason (well the SS DID need a good parade car for the President) the fact that an assassination had just occurred in this vehicle, and that even if it could be put back into service, driving in it might not bring good luck, was no deterrence to expediently correcting the damage to the car; this decision had to have been made made at the time the limo was returned to the White House garage. It was, then, at some time subsequent to this memo, (which relates to the days immediately following the assassination, though written on December 18th), that the decision was made to send the car to Ohio on December 12 for rebuilding as an armored vehicle. Also note Ferguson's description of the windshield, its removal, and the sequence of action on the limo lap robes. The 'lap robes' were blankets carried in the side pockets of the rear of the limo, used when the weather was cool, yet the top down, to keep the passengers warm. (Markley and Ferguson were Ford Company employees; Morgan Geis was SAIC of the White House Garage. btw, it is odd that SS-100-X was referred to as the WH 'Bubbletop' as the car usually referred to by that name was the Eisenhower Lincoln. And the plastic top on SS-100-X that was referred to as the 'bubbletop' was the only top for this car; it had a 'leatherette' cover that was placed over it to make it look like an enclosed sedan. This was what was done at Parkland Hospital, for example.) Ford Motor Company Washington Office Intra-Company Communication December 18, 1963 TO: R.W. Markley, JR. FROM: F. Vaughn Ferguson Re: Changes in White House "Bubbletop" On November 23rd, the day following the President's assassination, I went to the White House garage in response to a telephone call to my home from the Secret Service. When I arrived about 10:00 a.m., the White House "Bubbletop" was in a stall in the garage with two Secret Service men detailed to guard it. A canvas cover was over the unit. I was permitted only to see the windshield of the car and then only after the guards had received permission from higher ranking Secret Service personnel. Examination of the windshield disclosed no perforation, but substantial cracks radiating a couple of inches from the center of the windshield at a point directly beneath the mirror. I was at the garage only about one hour that day, but while I was there Morgan Geis contacted the Secret Service and told them to have me make arrangements to replace the windshield. The following day, when I returned to the garage, the unit was no longer under guard. The Secret Service had cleaned the leather upholstery the day before, but underneath the upholstery buttons dried blood was still in evidence. On my own ititiative, I pulled up these upholstery buttons and with a knife removed the caked blood around them. At this time, there was a heavy odor of dried blood still noticeable. There was a large blood spot on the floor covering which the Secret Service had not been able to remove, but I did nothing further about it that day. In response to my call of November 25, personnel from Arlington Glass came to the White House garage that same day to replace the windshield. The Arlington Glass personnel advised Morgan Geis and me that removal would cause additional damage to the windshield but Geis told them to go ahead and remove it anyway. The Arlington Glass personnel did remove it by putting their feet against the inside of the windshield and pushing it out. In doing so, additional cracks formed (downward to the bottom of the windshield). A Mr. Davis of the Secret Service then took the windshield and put it in the stockroom under lock and key and I have not seen it since. That same day, November 25, I tried to clean the blood spot on the carpet with only moderate success. Late that afternoon I called Hess and Eisenhardt who agreed to send new carpeting including masking and binding. It was also that day that Morgan Geis called my attention to a dent in the chrome topping of the windshield at a point just above the rear view mirror and asked why I hadn't fixed it while I was at it. I told him that my experience with chrome had been that in trying to remove a dent of that size lead only to additional marks that further marred the trim. In addition, the dent is not visible when the top is on the unit. On November 26th, late in the afternoon after I had left, the carpet masking and binding arrived at the garage from Hess and Eisenhardt. When I got to the garage on the 27th and was told that the carpeting material was in, I contacted Morgan Geis who arranged with the White House upholsery man to receive the metal piece containing the carpet, remove the old carpeting, replace it with the new carpet, and return the piect to me for reinstallation in the "Bubbletop." This upholsterer did not complete the job until late Friday afternoon the 29th. On the morning of December 2nd, the re-carpeted piece was delivered to me by a Secret Service agent named Davis and I then reinstalled it. Also on the 2nd of December I noticed that the two lap robes had a few blood spots on them, but, more than that, were soiled from handling and required cleaning. The White House chauffeurs were detailed to take the lap robes to Fort Myer for cleaning. These persons remained with the lap robes until they were cleaned and returned the same day. I think this represents a complete account of changes made in the "Bubbletop" since November 22. F.V. Ferguson New photo of second windshield on limousine today in Dearborn, MI. NARA doc. 180-10120-10021,Photo of SS100X at Parkland with bucket, CE353, photo of SS100X today, Jackie's WC testimony, Altgens windshield, info on "22 November 1963" at my website. http://www.primenet.com/~pamelam/jfk.html Photos of sites relevant to Mozart's life in Salzburg and Paris at my linked Mozart site. F SORRY THE LINK IS BROKEN I THINK IT IS IN THE MARSH COLLECTION UNDER THE LIMO HEADING...ON KEN RAHN'S SITE http://karws.gso.uri.edu/ DARN THE LINK TO HIS HOME PAGE FINALLY CAME UP AND IS BROKEN ALSO... BUT IS ENABLED GOT ONE RIGHT SHEESH..... THE LINKS ARE WORKING TODAY YAHOO I CANNOT GET INTO HIS SITE...THE GREMLIN IS AT IT AGAIN...BLAH... http://karws.gso.uri.edu/Marsh/Limousine/windshield.txt

tosh here you go..THIS BTW WAS TAKEN FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OVERPASS FOR DOUG WELDON'S DOCUMENTARY NOTE THE ACTOR'S HEAD TURNED TO THE LEFT..AS THE PRESIDENT'S WAS AT THAT TIME.....b

INTERESTING PARTS OF WEISBERG'S FBI/ SS BOOK (NO INDEX): "Whitewash II- the FBI-SS Cover-up" by Weisberg- Marina- pp. 9,11,15,21,23; LHO/Tippit murder(Police radio logs/tapes)- pp. 25-27,29,35; another bullet- p. 38; Brennan- p. 88; autopsy- pp. 110, 113-117; FBI/SS: 3 bullets/hits- p. 123; Sibert and O'Neill- pp. 124-125; Zapruder film- pp. 134 and 141; Kelley report 11/28/63- pp. 166-167; Greer- p. 175; Phil Willis- pp. 202-204; shooting- p. 216; comments- pp. 224-225 ~ Secret Service agent Richard Green on CNN 10/29/94 after "assassination" attempt on President Clinton: " Green said that no serious assassination attempt is made without a diversion( He also said that the attempt is made from 2 or 3 sides). What on earth is he referring to except Dallas, since I don't know of any attempts on Reagan or Ford made with a diversion. I really think Agent Green slipped up"- http://karws.gso.uri.edu/Marsh/Limousine/limo-URL.htm b..

thank you doug that is a mighty fine piece you have posted for all imo...b

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Isn't there a window from the limo in evidence at the NARA? What does that look like? BK Here's a couple bill...b first one is a FBI photo... i think from the marsh collection not positive

[. Were there .38 bullets in the pistol found on Oswald at the theater? In addition, after being searched once, interrogated once and placed in a lineup, four .38 bullets were found in Oswald's pocket. How was that possible? Were these bullets ever checked, as were the 6.5 shells, as to what batch they were part of? Since bullets can't be purchased individually, they are bought in boxes that are part of a case, that are part of a batch that can be traced, as were the 6.5 bullets traced to the USMC in 1948. Were the bullets found in Oswald's pocket ever traced to their original source? BK I think the answer to that begs close scrutiny. is this information of any use.. .b Revolver Bullets Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. In Nicol's opinion one of the four bullets could be positively identified with test bullets fired from V510210 revolver, and the other three could have been fired from that revolver. In Cunningham's opinion all four bullets could have been fired from the V510210 revolver, but none could be positively identified to the revolverthat is, in his opinion the bullets bore the revolver's rifling characteristics, but no conclusion could be drawn on the basis of microscopic characteristics. Cunningham did not conclude that the bullets had not been fired from the revolver, since he found that consecutive bullets fired in the revolver by the FBI could not even be identified with each other under the microscope. The apparent reasons for this was that while the revolver had been rechambered for a . 38 Special cartridge, it had not been rebarreled for a . 38 Special bullet. The barrel was therefore slightly oversized for a . 38 Special bullet, which has a smaller diameter than a . 38 S. & W. bullet. This would cause the passage of a . 38 Special bullet through the barrel to be erratic, resulting in inconsistent microscopic markings. Based on the number of grooves, groove widths, groove spacing, and knurling on the four recovered bullets, three were copper-coated lead bullets of Western-Winchester manufacture (Western and Winchester are divisions of the same company), and the fourth was a lead bullet of Remington-Peters manufacture. This contrasts with the four recovered cartridge cases, which consisted of two Remington-Peters and two Westerns. There are several possible explanations for this variance: (1) the killer fired five cartridges, three of which were Western-Winchester and two of which were Remington-Peters; one Remington-Peters bullet missed Tippit; and a Western-Winchester cartridge case and the Remington-Peters bullet that missed were simply not found. (2) The killer fired only four cartridges, three of which were Western-Winchester and one of which was Remington-Peters; prior to the shooting the killer had an expended Remington- Peters cartridge case in his revolver, which was ejected with the three Western-Winchester and one Remington-Peters cases; and one of the Western-Winchester cases was not found. (3) The killer was using hand-loaded ammunition, that is, ammunition which is made with used cartridge cases to save money; thus he might have loaded one make of bullet into another make of cartridge case. This third possibility is extremely unlikely, because when a cartridge is fired the cartridge case expands, and before it can be reused it must be resized. There was, however, no evidence that any of the four recovered cartridge cases had been resized. http://www.geocities.com/jfkinfo/app10.htm#p5 NARA Record Number: 124-10371-10120 ADMIN FOLDER-A11: HSCA ADMINISTRATIVE FOLDER, OUTGOING COMMISSION FOLDER VOLUME V http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=104

[. Were there .38 bullets in the pistol found on Oswald at the theater? In addition, after being searched once, interrogated once and placed in a lineup, four .38 bullets were found in Oswald's pocket. How was that possible? Were these bullets ever checked, as were the 6.5 shells, as to what batch they were part of? Since bullets can't be purchased individually, they are bought in boxes that are part of a case, that are part of a batch that can be traced, as were the 6.5 bullets traced to the USMC in 1948. Were the bullets found in Oswald's pocket ever traced to their original source? BK I think the answer to that begs close scrutiny. is this information of any use.. .b Revolver Bullets Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. In Nicol's opinion one of the four bullets could be positively identified with test bullets fired from V510210 revolver, and the other three could have been fired from that revolver. In Cunningham's opinion all four bullets could have been fired from the V510210 revolver, but none could be positively identified to the revolverthat is, in his opinion the bullets bore the revolver's rifling characteristics, but no conclusion could be drawn on the basis of microscopic characteristics. Cunningham did not conclude that the bullets had not been fired from the revolver, since he found that consecutive bullets fired in the revolver by the FBI could not even be identified with each other under the microscope. The apparent reasons for this was that while the revolver had been rechambered for a . 38 Special cartridge, it had not been rebarreled for a . 38 Special bullet. The barrel was therefore slightly oversized for a . 38 Special bullet, which has a smaller diameter than a . 38 S. & W. bullet. This would cause the passage of a . 38 Special bullet through the barrel to be erratic, resulting in inconsistent microscopic markings. Based on the number of grooves, groove widths, groove spacing, and knurling on the four recovered bullets, three were copper-coated lead bullets of Western-Winchester manufacture (Western and Winchester are divisions of the same company), and the fourth was a lead bullet of Remington-Peters manufacture. This contrasts with the four recovered cartridge cases, which consisted of two Remington-Peters and two Westerns. There are several possible explanations for this variance: (1) the killer fired five cartridges, three of which were Western-Winchester and two of which were Remington-Peters; one Remington-Peters bullet missed Tippit; and a Western-Winchester cartridge case and the Remington-Peters bullet that missed were simply not found. (2) The killer fired only four cartridges, three of which were Western-Winchester and one of which was Remington-Peters; prior to the shooting the killer had an expended Remington- Peters cartridge case in his revolver, which was ejected with the three Western-Winchester and one Remington-Peters cases; and one of the Western-Winchester cases was not found. (3) The killer was using hand-loaded ammunition, that is, ammunition which is made with used cartridge cases to save money; thus he might have loaded one make of bullet into another make of cartridge case. This third possibility is extremely unlikely, because when a cartridge is fired the cartridge case expands, and before it can be reused it must be resized. There was, however, no evidence that any of the four recovered cartridge cases had been resized. http://www.geocities.com/jfkinfo/app10.htm#p5 NARA Record Number: 124-10371-10120 ADMIN FOLDER-A11: HSCA ADMINISTRATIVE FOLDER, OUTGOING COMMISSION FOLDER VOLUME V http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=104

Tosh see # 30 below shards of glass Dr/David Mantik...b http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/fetzerexpandedx.htm 30 Even the mortician observed that the deceased had a massive defect to the back of his head, a small entry wound to the right temple, several small puncture wounds to the face, and a wound to the back about five to six inches below the collar. (See, for example, Fetzer (2003), pp. 8-9.) This information should have been easily available. Even The Warren Report describes the holes in the shirt and jacket he was wearing as "5 3/8 inches below the top of the collar" in the jacket and as "5 3/4 inches below the top of the collar" in the shirt, contradicting its own declared conclusions (Warren 1964, p. 92). David W. Mantik, M.D., Ph.D., believes that the small puncture wounds were caused by shards of glass when the bullet that hit his throat passed through the windshield.

there certainly is a difference Jack whether some agree or not you have shown such...''The further adventures of Bowlingballman:''

your welcome mr common sense sheesh i do now expect more in the future really...take care b..

____________________________________________ Bernice, Thanks for posting all the great photos. --Thomas you are very welcome....for as long as they are up..they take up much resources i now try to leave for awhile then go through cleaning some out for the sake of not tying up the photo space..so snaggle while they still are available if interested...b

186) Mortician Thomas Evan Robinson: re throat wound.. a) HSCA taped interview conducted by Andy Purdy and Jim Conzelman 1/12/77 [RIF#189-10089-10178; drawing: 180-10089-10179---see also "Killing Kennedy" by H.E.L., p. 345 , "Bloody Treason" by Noel Twyman, p. 240, and "Cover-Up" by Stewart Galanor, p. 34]---Purdy: "Approximately where was this wound located?" "Directly behind the back of his head." Purdy: "Approximately between the ears or higher up?" "No, I would say pretty much between them.": Robinson’s drawing depicts a defect directly in the central, lower rear portion of the skull. Purdy: "Could you tell how large the opening had been caused by the bullets?" "A good bit of the bone had been blown away. There was nothing there to piece together, so I would say probably about [the size of] a small orange." Purdy: "Could you give us an estimate of inches and the nature of the shape?" "Three." Purdy: "And the shape?" "Circular." Purdy: "Was it fairly smooth or fairly ragged?" "Ragged."; "I remember the bones of the skull and face badly shattered." Purdy: "Where on the face were they shattered, which of the bones?" "You cannot see that from the outside. This is looking through the opening that the physicians had made at the back of the skull."; "I can remember the probe. The probe of all this whole area. It was about an eighteen-inch piece of metal that we used." Purdy; "Do you feel they probed the head or they probed the neck?" "It was at the base of the head where most of the damage was done, the things that we had to worry about."; "Somehow I feel like there was some-thing found in the thorax…I think that they found a piece of metal, a piece of bullet."; did not see any small wound of entry in the back of the head; de-scribed a "nasty looking" tracheotomy; He also said there was a little wound, described as a hole of about a quarter-inch in diameter, on the right side of the forehead up near the hairline. Robinson said that he "…probably put a little wax in it."; Purdy: "Were you the one that was responsible for closing these wounds in the head?" "Well, we all worked on it. Once the body was em-balmed arterially and they brought a piece of heavy duty rubber, again to fill this area (area in the back of the head)…" Purdy: "O.K., you had to close the wound in the back of the head using rubber…Were there any other wounds on the head other than the little one in the right temple area, and the big one in the back?" "That's all." [!]; "Putting the head into the pillow of the casket would have hidden everything."; Purdy: "You said later, when you read some things about the assassination or the autopsy, you heard or read some-things [sic] which struck you as incorrect. What would those things be?" "The time the people moved (autopsy). The body was taken…and the body never came…lots of little things like that."; jfk medical reference part 3 bethesda palamara http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v4n2/v4n2part3.pdf b

and ron this makes perfect sense what common sense coming into this ...oh my... b re the list of peoples below i have read both that 11 and 14 were rrworkers...fwtw..

DOUG also refers to a bullet track wound from in the front high in the right forehead..see book 3 page 832 thereabouts and on...

In your picture: Notice the upper slight curve in Elm Street. The Limo had turned slightly to the left with the street, putting it a few degrees to the south.., not due west as some have claimed. The Limo was pointing directly toward the south side of the underpass. Where was JFK facing at that moment? If he had also turned his head slightly to his left this would line up with the alleged south side kill shot and the windshield hole. would that not be at the altgens...see below altgens then and now and there's the curve tosh...and martin hindrich's coloured..version...b

Bullet holes in the limousine and extra bullets in Dealey Plaza (Extended English Version) B

Bullet holes in the limousine and extra bullets in Dealey Plaza (Extended English Version) B