Ray Mitcham

Thanks for your postings, Ward. It is always interesting to read about the opinions of people in the depth of the country. 

12 minutes ago, John Butler said:

Ray,

"I'v not known somebody be so wrong since Doyle was barred from this forum."

I am only answering your posts because I have nothing better to do this morning.  As far as name calling, this is a tactic that most of your kind use when they have little else to say.

"You agree with Josephs that Sun shadows diverge (as in the photo he posted.) You can't be more wrong. You seem to lack an understanding of physics"

Prove to me that Joseph is wrong!

Let's see.  Shadows that go in three different directions at the same time indicates a lack of understanding the laws of physics.  Shadows going in 3 directions in the BYP's are undeniable and irrefutable and violate the laws of nature. 

I will reiterate.  Ask a sensible question and I may answer you.  

Do you agree with Josephs that (as per his photo the shadow of the post) diverge rather than converge? Should be easy to answer.

I don't have to prove Josephs is wrong,  physics proves it.

Tell you what, show me your proof that shadows of vertical parallel items  can diverge.

4 minutes ago, John Butler said:

Ray,

I posted long ago on my position on the different shadow directions in the BYPs on this forum.  Look it up.  Or, for your convenience go to:

http://jfkrunningthegauntlet.com/2017/08/23/lee-harvey-oswald-and-his-shadows-jfk-running-the-gauntlet-com/

David Joseph is correct in everything he posted.  As far as you saying that you have never said the BYP's are not authentic, I can believe that.  You are a "Lone Gunner" from head to toe.

I'v not known somebody be so wrong since Doyle was barred from this forum.

You agree with Josephs that Sun shadows diverge (as in the photo he posted.) You can't be more wrong. You seem to lack an understanding of physics.

As far as my being a "Lone Gunner" what ever that is. LOL. You obviously haven't been on these for very long, otherwise you would never say that. Guess what  wrong again.

Incidentally you still haven't answered the questions I asked you in the "McIntyre Photo Ellis or Bellah?  item. 

26 minutes ago, John Butler said:

Right on David Joseph.  Maybe, what you have provided will put an end to this foolish argument that the BYPs are authentic.  But, with people like Ray Meacham, I doubt it.

Nowhere have I ever said the BYPs are authentic. You seem to agree with David Joseph that the shadow of the stair post is in the incorrect position. Am I correct in assuming that?

David Joseph's photo is not legitimate.

It would be polite to get my name correct, but I suspect that it's not the only thing you got wrong.

John , please provide a photo which shows  sun shadows diverging.

Here's another one which shows shadows converging.

Not again, David. We've had this argument before. You are reading the shadows incorrectly. In the first photo, where you have added where you think the post shadow should be, you have it going entirely the wrong way. From the camera back to the sun, the sun shadows always "converge," not diverge, because they are parallel. Perspective makes them appear to converge. 

As in this photo.

p.s.doesn't mean that I don't think there are lots of faults with the BYPs.

10 hours ago, John Butler said:

Thanks Robin Unger for your posts and clarification.  I think they probably just told you the name of the policeman without providing back up information.  Correct me if I am wrong. 

Chris,

Robin Unger says you can click of one of the frames in Bell film posts and it will enlarge.  If you do that you will see that the motorbike cops are approaching the light pole shadow and are not crossing it. 

If you look at your post of Bell they are also approaching the light pole shadow and not crossing it.  It looks to be the same distance for the motorbike policemen from the shadow in both of the frames posted by you and Robin. 

Meanwhile, the limousine and other vehicles are moving a distance of 20 - 30 ft. or more.  These vehicles are moving but the motorbike cops are not.

Whoever scripted the editing of Bell made mistakes.  I am pointing out two in these posts.  The first was the difference in the number of railroad workers on the overpass in Bell vs. Altgens 7.

Another big mistake in scripting teams is Altgens 7 does not have motorbike cops in it.

I might say here that all of you guys have been a great help in figuring this out. 

How many railroad workers can you see in Altgens7, John?

According to the Bell film, the lead motorcycles were far ahead of the lead car, that's why they aren't visible in Altgens 7.

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9 hours ago, John Butler said:

DiEugenio said,

"Amazing how far afield this has gone.

I guess no one can supply a credible answer to the original question."

I think he is right.  I'm just reading an endless rehash of generations old arguments of Parkland vs. Autopsy.  Some of which is recast as new arguments but, it still comes down to who you believe.

There are two wounds is Kenndy's back of the same shape but, they are different in size.  One represents an entrance wound and one an exit wound.  The larger is the exit wound and it is positioned to be an exit wound for the throat possibly fired from the railroad overpass from the train that was passing through at that time.  The Ghost Train is real.

Look carefully at the .gif.  Can you see the heart shaped black patch covering the occipital wound described by the Parkland Doctors.

Here is the photo, John.

39 minutes ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:

Sandy,

The X-rays and Autopsy photographs don't lie.  People do!

Keyvan, do you really believe that photos and X-rays can't be altered or faked? Really?

Who was the cop standing by the lamppost near to the newmans on the North side of Elm Street? He must have had at least as good a view of the assassination as they did. Was he ever identified and interviewed? He is also seen in the Couch film appearing to be crossing the street.

10 hours ago, John Butler said:

Ray and Cliff,

I really don’t have anything else to say to you.

Great. 

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6 hours ago, John Butler said:

Ken Davies,

Or, are you the kind of historian who thinks the pyramids were electrical generators of perhaps the Annunaki are coming back on Niburu to set things right for dimensional beings and pod people?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6008131/Great-Pyramid-Giza-focus-electromagnetic-energy-hidden-chambers.html

If you think a banned poster has come up with a good idea or solution to a problem, there is nothing to stop you from posting it in your own words. It is when banned members own postings from other forums,  are reposted here, that IMO the line is crossed. I have no objection to certain members good ideas, but I certainly have objections to certain members, who appear cause dissension wherever and whenever they post.

1 hour ago, John Butler said:

The following gif screams fraud.  Why should anyone pay attention to autopsy info from the Warren Commission?  Pay attention to the heart shape black patch on the back of President Kennedy's head.  Is that someone in the photo editing business' way of expressing love?

If you look at the gif closely you will see there are more people than me that think there was more than one back wound.

What is the reason for the rule being placed on the President's back? Couldn't be to hide the real entry of the back wound could it?

There is a reason why Doyle is unable to post his ramblings on here. He gratuitously insults anybody who disagrees with his daft ideas. He is unable to argue his points in a rational manner and, for a man who considers himself the world's greatest JFK expert,  changes his mind constantly depending on how and when his "theories" are shown to be crazy. For example in reply to one of his acolytes, who said " To me, Prayerman is possibly a female with her arms in a purse strap holding position", Doyle replied "I have a good eye for such things. If you look really closely Prayerman has a side part to his hair and a receding hairline making it very unlikely it was a woman."

Now he insists that Prayerman is  a woman, Sarah Stanton. 😀 

But with his "good eyes for such things"(LOL),   in  a few months time, he will probably say he can identify  Prayerman  as Jackie Kennedy.

I totally agree  that the image is too fuzzy to make a credible ID,  as you state, but then, you post the views of a person who not only can ID the blob, but can see the "buttons" on her dress. 

If he wants to post his ramblings on another site, that's his prerogative, but we don't want his crazy ideas contaminating this forum.

By associating yourself with Doyle, so closely, Jim, you are making yourself look like you agree with him, which makes you look as silly as he.

I agree with Andrej. You shouldn't post his (or Gilbride's😊) comments on here.  

Ron , Father Huber who gave the President the last rites, said that JFk's eyes were closed. Which makes me wonder whether eyes can reopen after death for some reason.

interesting view on this.

7 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

Go to 4:19—5:22 in this video.

Do you think Dr. Perry was merely lying his butt off in that 1967 interview? (More of Elmer Moore's handiwork perhaps?)

 

Maybe he was just protecting his future. 

"Dr. Perry made an incision across the bullet wound, just large enough to accommodate a breathing tube. During a phone conversation in 1966 with author David Lifton, Perry said the incision was "two to three centimeters" wide. Drs. Paul Peters and Robert McClelland, also present in trauma room one, said the incision was "sharp" and "smooth," respectively . After the breathing tube was removed, the incision closed, revealing the original wound in the throat, as described by Drs. Charles Crenshaw and Malcolm Perry. Dr. Crenshaw recalled, "When the body left Parkland there was no gaping, bloody defect in the front of the throat, just a small bullet hole in the thin line of Perry's incision" Dr. Perry described the bullet wound in the throat as "inviolate"]. 

How do you account for the wound changes David? 

You only discount evidence of people who were actually at the autopsy because they make a simple mistake over the time and add "Jnr" to the end of  the President's name, if you are DVP.  He consider these "blatant errors" because they disagree with his arguments.

1 hour ago, John Butler said:

Ray,

I'll have to apologize for calling you a Lone Gunner.  I thought that was your position on most things.  I've deleted my stupid comment.  How about you?

You say you believe the BYP's are fake.  What do you base your belief on?  I await your answer with anticipation.

BTW, we've had these arguments before with very little or no agreement on either side maybe on this topic or others.  That's why I am replying to your last comment.  You actually said something I can agree with about the BYP's.

Before I answer, maybe you would like to  answer the question I posed above.

i.e "do you still think  that the photo I posted was a faked?"

12 hours ago, John Butler said:

Ray,

I really don't care who Albert Doyle is.  You need to get in touch with reality. 

If you can't understand simple physics and logic then there is no further need to communicate.

Sorry Ray.  I edited out the snarky comment.  Put me on your ignore list.

"Put me on your ignore list".... I would never put you on my ignore list, John, because I will always post against stupid comments, whoever posts them.

You didn't answer my question, John. 

"Do you  still think that the first photo I showed you is a camera trick? "

p.s. I believe the photos are faked, by the way.