Ray Mitcham

Great post, Rob. Unfortunately the hawks in Russia soon got rid of Kruschev.

Castro was forced into the arms of Russia by the actions of the USA against Cuba.

Interesting debates a few years ago at the Washington Press club in front of retired Senators etc. Found the discussion every interesting. Hope you do.

Doesn't look anything like this back of the head does it.

Whaley describes "Oswald" as having on  two jackets.

Mr. WHALEY. That jacket now it might have been clean, but the jacket he had on looked more the color, you know like a uniform set, but he had this coat here on over that other jacket, I am sure, sir. 
Mr. BALL. This is the blue-gray jacket, heavy blue-gray jacket. 
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. "

If it was Oswald, where did he get the blue-gray jacket from? 

On 1/1/2018 at 4:36 AM, Paul Trejo said:

The turn from Houston onto Elm is absolutely NOT 90 degrees.   Let's get an expert opinion here.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!
--Paul Trejo

The turn is approx 150˚left. (NOT from an expert)

Thanks, Chris.

Interesting video, David. I wonder if that was the reason for them cutting so many frames out of the Zap film.

At 1.21 (in the Towner film,)  it seems to be the corner buildings to the right of Elm Street seem unreal..

In view of her support from McAdams, shouldn't Davidsonisms be renamed Davidsonoids?

6 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

Looks like Lance hit a nerve. (Good.)

Great reposte, up to your usual standard,David.

Yeh, go ahead and believe those statements  which suit your stance, David. 

p.s Merry Christmas to you and all Forum members. Have a good one.

So according to Fritz, Oswald said he was having lunch on the first floor when the president was shot.

Then he went upstairs and got a coke.

So if you want to believe everything that Fritz said was true then Oswald couldn't have been on the sixth floor when the President was shot. 

"Mr. FRITZ. I just wouldn't be sure because there were so many people talking at the same time, I might have; I am not sure whether I did or not. 
Mr. BALL. Did you think it was a Mauser? 
Mr. FRITZ. No, sir; I knew--you can read on the rifle what it was and you could also see on the cartridge what caliber it was. 
Mr. BALL. Well, did you ever make any---did you ever say that it was a 7.65 Mauser? 
Mr. FRITZ. No, sir; I am sure I did not. 

He "knew it was Mauser as he could read it on the rifle and he could also see the cartridge caliber"

Yet he never said it was a 7.65 Mauser!  Keystone Kops come to mind.

13 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:

Got himself a ranch. Think his widow may still be alive.

I wonder how he could afford a ranch on a patrolman's money.

32 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:

He was murdered by the Assassination Goon Squad. (What else?)

:-)

You think murder is worth joking about, David? Shame.

What happened to Marrion Baker subsequently?

3 hours ago, Michael Walton said:

Ray, what's important to remember is Dr. McC was there touching and looking at the body. How could we NOT deny what he actually saw and felt with his own two eyes?

It is important to know which autopsy photographs Dr Mc saw when he said he agree with them. Without knowing that, we can only go on what he has always said  that the hole in the back of the head was in the occipital region and the six of an orange. This is nothing like the damage shown to the top of the head.

For every doctor in Parkland to mistake this head wound for a wound in the occipital area the size of an orange, means one of two things. Either they were all blind and/or incompetent, or the damage seen was done after the body left Parkland.

Quote by {Pat Speer.

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And, no, I'm not clutching at straws. While most recent manuals and websites describing tracheostomies describe a vertical incision, vertical incisions were not the norm in 1963. An Atlas of Head and Neck Surgery, by Dr. John M. Lore, Jr., a medical text from 1962, for example, instructs: "About one or two centimeters below the cricoid cartilage a horizontal incision is made from 4 to 6 cm in length." Well, heck, the incision on Kennedy's neck was reportedly 6.5 cm, only slightly wider than normal, and not the wide, gaping, act of mayhem claimed by all too many conspiracy theorists anxious to "debunk" the photos. "

It would appear that  you don't know the difference between length and width, Pat.

18 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

Re: the trach incision --- Here's something I pointed out in 2013....

"I loved the [Nov. 2013] Posner/Waldron radio debate [which can be heard here]. .... And here's a piece of advice for Gerald Posner --- The next time some conspiracy buff brings up the "gaping" nature of JFK's trach wound, show them the video on this webpage of Dr. Robert McClelland saying on PBS-TV in 1988 that the trach incision in the autopsy pictures looks "exactly the same size and the same configuration" as it was when he saw it at Parkland. Maybe that will make Waldron flinch a little bit. And even though I think Dr. McClelland is as kooky as a 9-dollar bill with regard to his comments concerning the location of JFK's large head wound, I certainly don't have any reason to think he's kooky about his comments regarding the trach wound -- and that's because I don't believe for a single second that anybody "altered" any of JFK's wounds between Parkland and Bethesda." -- DVP; November 2013

" Dr. Robert McClelland saying on PBS-TV in 1988 that the trach incision in the autopsy pictures looks "exactly the same size and the same configuration" as it was when he saw it at Parkland. "

Do you know of certain which autopsy photos the doctors shown, David? If not. You can't say that the wound was the same as shown in the photos we see. 

Description of the throat wound.

"Dr. Perry made an incision across the bullet wound, just large enough to accommodate a breathing tube. During a phone conversation in 1966 with author David Lifton, Perry said the incision was "two to three centimeters" wide [4, p. 272]. Drs. Paul Peters and Robert McClelland, also present in trauma room one, said the incision was "sharp" and "smooth," respectively [4, p. 275]. After the breathing tube was removed, the incision closed, revealing the original wound in the throat, as described by Drs. Charles Crenshaw and Malcolm Perry. Dr. Crenshaw recalled, "When the body left Parkland there was no gaping, bloody defect in the front of the throat, just a small bullet hole in the thin line of Perry's incision" [5, p. 54] Dr. Perry described the bullet wound in the throat as "inviolate" [6, pp. 100-101]."

I wonder how "the body wasn't altered" supporters explain how the thin incision in the President's throat became the gash we see in the autopy photos.

14 hours ago, Michael Walton said:

So I guess they flew it from Dallas to DC in a copter Ray? Because  Lifton did say that it was flown away in a copter.

Thank you for apologising for being wrong.

Quote by Michael Walton.

"You're right that David Lifton has been around for 50 years. But his basic premise - that some how, some way, while Kennedy's wife was with the coffin during the entire time from Dallas until you see her get off the plane with it, military and/or intelligence personnel squirreled the body away from the back of Air Force One, put it in a helicopter, and flew away with it so other military/intelligence/medico personnel could look at it and cover up all manner of conspiracy - is right up there with many of the other "out-there" theories that have been bandied about over the years."

Seems you don't even know the basics, Michael. Jackie kennedy wasn't with the coffin the whole time on the plane. She left it to watch the swearing in of LBJ in the passenger compartment.

For a shot from the South Knoll to enter the President at his right eye socket and exit back of the head would have needed the President to be turning his head  to his left as the shot hit him. 

A shot from the drain outlet on the North side of Elm Street, would meet the correct criteria for a shot through the temple and exiting the back of the head. As Tom Wilson said.

8 hours ago, Michael Walton said:

David, compare the notes of Robinson and the priest. The old guy was probably dozing in the rectory when he was suddenly jerked out of his sleep and sent on down to the hospital. [/quote]

Father Huber.

"I returned to the rectory—ate a brief lunch—and had just finished when Father James N. Thompson, C.M., one of my  assistants, who had finished lunch previously and was watching TV—came to the rectory and announced that the president had been shot. We went to the recreation room where we heard, over TV, the president had been taken to Parkland Memorial Hospital. 

There, he sees Kennedy dead and wounded grieviously.  So I think it'd be very easy for him to get the "left" mixed up with "his left" vs. "Kennedy's left" meaning the *right* side of Kennedy's face. Huber probably meant Kennedy's right because that photo you posted shows no damage at all.  Plus, Huber had no time to closely inspect the wounds - he was probably in and out after waving his hands around over the corpse.

"I think"- "probably (x2)" What a lot of conjecture.

Then look how detailed Robinson's notes are - right this and right that.  It's obvious the guy knows what he's talking about having been involved in the mortuary business for years.

The wound in the back was 5 to 6inches below the shoulder to the right of the backbone.- Seems to confirm the back wound was where the autopsy sheet et said it was.