Ray Mitcham

8 minutes ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

The CIA does not give out information as a matter of policy. Many researchers seem to not understand that. People like Helms, Angleton, Dulles and so on felt they had a higher oath and that was to the CIA and was the nature of the job they held-they didn't see it as lying. Angleton controlled information very closely. Many of the things certain researchers attach a sinister meaning to are probably the CIA just trying to keep the secrets and also covering up their own incompetence. 

17 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

 

Aug.-Oct. ‘63: Irving City Council member and owner of Clifton's Barber shop, Cliff Shasteen, told the Warren Commission that he and his fellow barbers cut LEE Oswald's hair on 6 or 7 occasions, during August, September and October 1963 Texas shop.  Shasteen gave detailed descriptions of Oswald, his clothes and hair, his car: “that there 1955, I think it's a 1955, I'm sure it's a 1955 Chevrolet station wagon. It's either blue and white or green and white it's two-toned--I know that….”  During August and September HARVEY Oswald was still in New Orleans. Both Oswalds were in the Dallas area in October.

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Could Oswald's car been the Blue Chevrolet owned by Ruth Paine (Blue Chevrolet)?

For what is is worth, my sister's estranged husband left Hungary, after the revolution, when he was sixteen, in 1953, and never learned Russian.

6 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

The problem for you there is ----- John Connally NEVER said anything about any hearing any whole bullet falling from his stretcher in ANY of the many interviews he gave after the assassination. How can you possibly explain that, Bob? Was Connally part of the cover-up too? (Which would be an odd claim, given the fact that Connally was always adamant about his belief that the SBT was a pile of crap.)

From John Connally's autobiography entitled "In History's shadow"

Buddy Walthers

"Upon searching this house we found stacks of hand bills concerning "Cuba for Freedom" advertising, seeking publicity and support for Cuba. Also found was a set of metal file cabinets containing records that appeared to be names and activities of Cuban sympathizers. All of this evidence was confiscated and turned over to Captain Fritz of the Dallas Police Department and Secret Service Officers at the City Hall."

"Mr. WALTHERS. You could tell it from the way it was tied and the impression of where that barrel went up in it where it was tied, that a rifle had been tied in it, but what kind---you couldn't tell, but you could tell a rifle had been wrapped up in it, and then we found some little metal file cabinets---I don't know what kind you would call them---they would carry an 8 by 10 folder, all right, but with a single handle on top of it and the handle moves. 
Mr. LIEBELER. About how many of them would you think there were? 
Mr. WALTHERS. There were six or seven, I believe, and I put them all in the trunk of my car and we also found a box of pictures, a bunch of pictures that we taken. 

 "Some imagination."

Agreed, James. In the Iraq war correspondents were embedded with various chosen units, and they were threatened that if they wrote anything which the military disagreed with they would be disembodied and lose their accreditation. The military learned the lesson of the Vietnam war when the press had a field day. Remember the films of the Choppers attacking Vietnamese villages?

The original question did not require a yes or no answer. It asked what evidence  was there that Lee beat Marina. Seems there wasn't much.

14 hours ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

That is an assumption on my part, but he was confronted regarding the abuse by de Mohrenschildt whose opinion he apparently respected.

Thank you for your answer.

On 6/18/2017 at 4:17 PM, W. Tracy Parnell said:

My point was, no abuse was ever alleged while they were in Russia. LHO apparently saw the abuse as a way to gain strict control over Marina after they returned to the US. he eventually gave up on it because he realized he could not continue to get away with it.

"because he realized he could not continue to get away with it."

Really, Mr Parnell. and you know this how, exactly?

"They" have a lot to answer for. 

2 hours ago, George Sawtelle said:

The world according to Ray M. Okay.

Only in your world logic = guess. You are in over your head.

Logic has to be based on evidence, George. Not on what you think might have happened. 

There is no proof at all that what you said is true. The pity is you don't realise it.

12 hours ago, George Sawtelle said:

Ray

If you don't know, how do you know I'm guessing. For all you know I may be telling the truth.

IOWS, I know the truth and therefore I know what is false. Or, I don't know the truth and therefore I don't know what is false.

Tomlinson said the bullet he found came from Stretcher "B". Kennedy was on a stretcher when he was taken into the EOR, which opened up to the hallway where the stretcher was located. The stretcher was located opposite the EOR door but near the door according to Tomlinson who drew a sketch showing the stretcher and the door to the EOR. 

Also, Tomlinson said he brought down Connally's stretcher from an EOR one floor above and he placed it near the stretcher that was already there, which is Stretcher "B". So Connally's stretcher was removed from the EOR where Connally was attended it is only logical to say that Kennedy's stretcher was removed from the EOR were Kennedy was attended by the doctors and nurses.

Therefore I logically concluded that stretcher "B" was Kennedy's stretcher and the bullet was found on his stretcher.

Tell me about the guessing.

 

 

George, you just don't get it do you? You have just stated that it is your logical conclusion. That doesn't mean a carrot. The world is full of logical conclusions which are proved to be wrong. You are guessing. Cheers.

7 minutes ago, George Sawtelle said:

Ray

With regard to the stretcher magic bullet you allude to not guessing and not having an opinion. So you must base your knowledge on the subject on evidence.

Since you say I'm guessing then you must know the facts. Because how can you say I'm guessing if you didn't know the facts.

But you've provided nothing except criticism.

I'm here to try to find the truth, not one up somebody. We all seek the truth but apparently there are those who think this forum is all about competition. From what I've read of your posts you've not solved anything. No one has a corner on the truth, lest of all me. And that goes for you also. 

George, I don't know which stretcher the bullet was found.  Nobody knows including you.

I criticise people who state things as being so, when they can't prove they are. Guesses are not the truth. You are correct I haven't solved anything. I have never claimed to do so. If you are after truth, don't guess.

1 hour ago, George Sawtelle said:

Ray

You go by what people tell you is evidence. The rest is your opinion.

No, George. I don't have an opinion. Unlike yourself, I don't guess. 

12 hours ago, George Sawtelle said:

Ray

No problem. We had a good discussion. You didn't convince me and I didn't convince you. You have a right to your opinion.

I don't have an opinion, George. I go by what the evidence says- not on what I guess happened.

"I Believe...."  that's all you need say, George. That's what I thought, you were just guessing. Case closed.

On 5/3/2017 at 1:40 PM, Ray Mitcham said:

George, just tell me how you know it was JFK's stretcher. Or are you just guessing?

George?

The butt in the left photo has increased in size. So has the length of the scope and also the length of the stock under the barrel. (As shown by red lines.) I can't tell from the video, how the ends of the rifle compare.

29 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

Michael Clark...exactly.

Ruby's intent to shoot Oswald was not a spontaneous temporary insanity act...and everyone knew it.

But here's one of the biggest kickers in all of this.

Ruby was identified as the caller to the police ( or sheriiff's? ) dispatcher the night before warning them ahead of time about an attempt on Oswald's life during the public announced transfer the next day.  The dispatcher knew Jack Ruby well enough to "be sure" of his identification of Ruby as the transfer warning caller.

My feeling is Ruby was allowed into a position to do what he did in DPD basement that day.

 

Joe, I wonder if Ruby warned the DPD that an attempt on Oswald's life would be made the next day, in order that he would be arrested before he managed to do it. He was obviously under orders to eradicate Oswald, and getting himself caught before he managed it, might have been  a way of getting himself of the hook. Just wonderin'

Thanks for posting the video, Roger. Seems to confirm that Dorothy was suicided. Just to sum up.

Dorothy was found dead in bed wearing a hair piece, which she never slept in.

Wearing nightclothes she never wore.

Had slept with makeup on, which she never did.

Wearing false eyelashes which she never did.

In a bed she never slept in.

In a bedroom she never slept in.

No reading glasses were around,despite a book she had been reading was alongside her bed table.

Two cops outside sitting in a car.

Had been drinking cocktails, with her boy friend, Ron Pataky, hours before. (Pataky later wrote a poem “Vodka Roulette”, about poisoning somebody with spiked drinks)

More than one barbiturate found in her blood.( Doctors used remaining tissue samples to ascertain that Kilgallen had in her system three barbiturates: pentobarbital, amobarbital, and secobarbital.)

Body found at nine a.m.

Police not called until 3 p.m.

Medical Examiner from Manhattan where she died was not called, but instead the M.E. from Brooklyn was called. (Brooklyn M.E. Branch was allegedly controlled by the Mafia).

No police investigation into her death.

Strangely (or perhaps not), none of the above details are mentioned in McAdams dismissal of the suiciding of Dorothy. (See   http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/death4.htm)

Thankfully, the case is now being re-examined.

On 5/3/2017 at 1:40 PM, Ray Mitcham said:

George, just tell me how you know it was JFK's stretcher. Or are you just guessing?

George?

57 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Ray,

It's when I don't extend my left foot out that I'm not so stable. When I do extend it out like Oswald's, then I can stay in that position for quite a while. It's an odd posture for me and not comfortable, but I can do it.

Anybody with a tall mirror can try this. Though you need a stick or something stood straight  up in front of you in order to judge the position of each knee, hip, chest, head. etc. I'd love to hear from others whether or not they can do it without tipping over.

BTW, I just did it again, this time in front of the computer screen so I can get the pose down as accurately as possible. Again I used a stick (broom) along with Ray's photo (because of its yellow horizontal line that replicates my stick) to help me position all my parts.

I must say, whomever's body that is stuck to Oswald's face must be double jointed. I can get my legs mostly where they belong and my head and body. But I can't get my right leg to bend the way his is bent. Not that I'll tip over if I don't do it. It's that I CAN'T do it.

I was very uncomfortable in this last experiment. But that could just be me and my old joints.

 

Neither could he have done it, if he'd been in that position. Seems logical.

Remember he was allegedly posing for photo not trying to balance himself, after all he was an ex Marine.

Kath, I'm getting "video does not exist"

3 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Okay, I just tried what I said and it was a piece of cake. I balanced myself by sticking my foot out. Though I did have to touch the ground lightly with my extended foot in order to keep from swaying.

I found that my rifle made little difference either helping or hindering my balancing act. It was the extended leg that did the trick.

Then I tried to do the posture without extending my leg. Well whadaya know... this old fart is more nimble than I thought! I was able to stand the way Oswald is standing even without extending my leg. Though I found it to be a lot harder and I couldn't stay in one position long. I'm not sure, but I'll bet the only reason that that was as hard as it was is because I'm not so strong anymore and I have a gut.

Look at the photo again. Oswald's weight is mostly on his right leg. If his head and body were straight above his right foot, he'd be in balance and wouldn't need much help from his other foot. So how far is he from the ideal posture? He is only 1/2 of a head width away! He's hardly tipping over at all!

In other words, Oswald's head and body are not very far off the center of his weight-bearing leg.

I do admit though that it's certainly not a natural-feeling or comfortable posture for me. But it might be for somebody else.

 

Sandy, Oswald would hardly stand in a position which you state "couldn't stay in one position long" whilst having his photo taken. It don't make sense.man.

Pity you didn't have a photo taken of your position. I'd love to have compared the two.

12 hours ago, George Sawtelle said:

Ray

I've read at least two different stories regarding the stretcher. Your's is a third.

Sorry but I don't believe either of them.

George, just tell me how you know it was JFK's stretcher. Or are you just guessing?