Robert Mady

SSA JOHNS When the shots sounded, I was looking to the right and saw a man standing and then being thrown or hit to the ground, and this together with the shots made the situation appear dangerous to me. I estimate that the motorcade was going approximately 12 to 14 miles per hour at this time, and I jumped from the security car and started running for the Vice President's car. I felt that if there was danger due to the slow speed of the motorcade, I would be of more assistance and in a more proper location with the Vice President's car. Before I reached the Vice President's car a third shot had sounded and the entire motorcade then picked up speed and I was left on the street at this point. Same as TAYLOR and KIVITT, when did JOHNS get out of the VP follow-up car? How is it possible that all four SSA assigned to the VP reacted instantaneously after the first shot while the Presidents detail except for CLINT HILL reacted after the third shot? Do you see that the timing is not the same for these two groups of Agents, it is off by two shots.

Here is a photograph depicting the follow-up car someplace else during the motorcade note both of the back doors can be seen to be open The truth is the doors ajar on the follow-up vehicle as seen in ALTGENS #6 were not opened in response to hearing a shot but had already been open when the car entered DP.

Here is a frame from a film that captured the follow-up vehicle just as it turned from Main onto Houston

Is anyone going to argue that the doors to the VP follow-up car can be seen in ALTGENS #6 to be opened and that it is then obvious that TAYLOR is getting out just as he claimed?

Do you believe that the SSA reacted to the sound of a high powered rifle shot and exited the follow-up car to assist YOUNGBLOOD and the VP LBJ and that is what is depicted in ALTGENS #6? That they did not notice the VP car at the time did not slow down. IF In ALTGENS #6 the follow-up car has stopped, then at the time of the fatal head wound the follow-up vehicle would be more than 80 feet behind the VP car that was still traveling down Elm closely behind the 'queen mary'. OR Does the follow-up car remain behind the VP car until it halts, when the first shot occurs and the Presidential follow-up car comes to a stop. Then YOUNGBLOOD reacts... Then KIVITT reacts... Then TAYLOR reacts... Then READY reacts... This is why none of these actions are depicted in ALTGENS #6, because these actions take place after the fatal head shot occurs. Just as YARBOROUGH, MOORMAN, JEAN HILL, HUDSON and SUMMERS claimed. Any researchers beginning to understand you really didn't have the correct concept of the assassination until now? That the WC/R cannot be true That all conspiracy theories are incorrect

SSA KIVITT: As the motorcade was approximately 1/3 of the way to the underpass, traveling between 10 and 15 miles per hour, I heard a loud noise--someone hollered "What was that?" It sounded more like an extremely large firecracker, in that it did not seem to have the sharp report of a rifle. As I was looking in the direction of the noise, which was to my right rear, I heard another report--then there was no doubt in my mind what was happening looked toward the Vice Presidential car, and as I did so, I could see the spectators, approximately 25-50, scattering--some were falling to the ground, some were running up a small hill, and some were just standing there stunned--here I heard the third shot. I could see the President's car, and observed Mrs. Kennedy, who seemed to be standing up in the car and trying to get out. I was getting out of the car to get to the Vice President's car and assist Youngblood; I had reached for my gun but did not draw it for I could not tell where the shots were coming from; when I saw the Presidential car speed down the street since I could not get to the Vice Presidential car, I fell back into the follow-up car and hollered to the driver to go-go, and the car lurched forward behind the Vice President's car. SSA KIVITT claims he also got out of the VP follow-up car...when did this occur?

SSA TAYLOR: Our automobile had just turned a corner (the names of the streets are unknown to me) when I heard a bang which sounded to me like a possible firecracker--the sound coming from my right rear. Out of the corner of my eye and off slightly to the right rear of our car, I noticed what now seems to me might have been a short piece of streamer flying in the air close to the ground, but due to the confusion of the moment, I thought that it was a firecracker going off. As a matter of course, I opened the door and prepared to get out of the car. In the instant that my left foot touched the ground, I heard two more bangs and realized that they must be gun shots. Also at that instant, the car paused slightly When did the motorcade slow or stop where TAYLOR could get out of the VP follow-up car?

If you still have doubts see this: See the VP car just enters into image on far right, it is about to come to a stop because the Presidential follow-up vehicle is about to drastically slow or come to a stop along with the MC escorts. When does this occur? After the fatal head wound occurs. You still believe this is the result of the third shot or is YARBOROUGH telling you the truth, that this takes place after hearing the first shot from a high powered rifle...? Same claims as made by MOORMAN, JEAN HILL, SUMMERS and HUDSON and believe it or not, many, many more witnesses.

It was not the limo that halted as many are attempting to prove, the limo did slow down to allow CLINT HILL to transfer from the follow-up vehicle to the limo, as HILL was moving to the limo the fatal head shot occurred. GREER accelerated either immediately or hesitated because HILL was attempting to board the limo. The follow-up vehicle can be seen to slow along with the MC escorts, the follow-up vehicle may have come to a complete stop, momentarily, this action halted or drastically slowed the motorcade that was following, this must be what YARBOROUGH is referring to. The halting of the motorcade occurs after the sound of the first shot from a high powered rifle. The testimony is available, you just need to read it without prejudice of 50 years of propaganda and misconceptions clouding your awareness.

YARBOROUGH: as the motorcade went down the slope of Elm Street toward the railroad underpass, a rifle shot was heard by me; a loud blast, close by. I have handled firearms for fifty year, and thought immediately that it was a rifle shot. When the noise of the shot was heard, the motorcade slowed to what seemed to me a complete stop (though it could have been a near stop). After what I took to be about three seconds, another shot boomed out, and after what I took to be one-half the time between the first and second shots (calculated now, this would have put the third shot about one and one-half seconds after the second shot--by my estimate--to me there seemed to be a long time between the first and second shots, a much shorter time between the second and third shots--these were my impressions that day), a third shot was fired. After the third shot was fired, but only after the third shot was fired, the cavalcade speeded up, gained speed rapidly, and roared away to the Parkland Hospital. Which story line does YARBOROUGH support with his statement WC/R or 4 shot scenario? Does YARBOROUGH claim the first shot to be a high powered rifle - close by - this is the shot that caused the fatal head wound. That the motorcade slowed or halted after the first shot. That the motorcade did not accelerate until after the third shot That the second two shots came very rapidly Does YARBOROUGH report support the WC/R or the 4 bullet scenario where YARBOROUGH did not detect the 'firecracker' like noise, but hears the three high powered rifle shots?

SSA READY - Report 11/22/1963 At about 12:30 p.m. we began the approach to the Thornton Freeway traveling about 20-25 MPH in a slight incline. I was about 25-30 feet from President Kennedy who was located in the right rear seat. I heard what appeared to be fire crackers going off from my position. I immediately turned to my right rear trying to locate the source but was not able to determine the exact location. At this time the U.S. Secret Service follow-up car seemed to slow and I heard someone from inside this car say: ''he's shot". I left the follow-up car in the direction of the President's car but was recalled by ATSAIC Emory Roberts (Secret Service) as the cars increased their speeds. I got back on the car and seated myself beside Mr. Roberts in the right front seat. The cars proceeded to the hospital several miles distance. If this statement is examined it implies that READY reacted to the 'firecracker' sound by turning to the rear. READY does not declare the number of shots he hears other than using the plural 'firecrackers' so it must be more than 1 shot. It also implies that all of the shots were the same because READY does not differentiate, so we might say READY misinterpreted the sound of 3 high powered rifle shots to be merely 'firecrackers'. READY does not discern where the noises are coming from. If READYS actions must conform to the WC/R storyline that means READY within 9 seconds hears 3 shots and only turned to protect the President after someone in the follow-up car informed READY that the President had been hit by the third shot. This is an impossible scenario, it would imply that READY was utterly incompetent to the point of criminal in not only not recognizing the sound of a high powered rifle but also failing to take action. ROBERTS was situated a few feet from READY, he also would be guilty of not recognizing the threat of 2 high powered rifle shots by not demanding READY move to the limo or that the motorcade accelerate out of DP after frame Z-220 or Z-230 or whenever the second shot was supposedly fired. Now look at the alternative and see if it does not make logical sense. The first shot is heard by a few SSA around Z-190, it is a faint popping sound that appears to have come from the front right, READY reacts and looks in the direction he first believes the noise came from which is toward the grassy knoll as evidenced in Z-190 to Z-207, he scans the area but can not see anything out of the ordinary, he continues to search and eventually turns to the rear to scan the crowd, as he is doing this another noise is heard, this time it is unmistakable it is a high powered rifle, READY turns towards the sound and towards the limo, at the same time someone yells the President is hit, READY immediately springs from the follow-up car but is called back, as two more shots ring out and the limo accelerates. Ready in his report, can not tell the second story, he must conform to the WC/R story line. He is disgraced by the apparent inaction that now must show him standing down while gunfire or three shots have sounded in DP. READY utterly failed to protect the President and it appears that he had ample time...if we pretend the WC/R fiction is real. Or READY reacted at the first 'firecracker' like noise by looking to the gk searching for the source of this noise, eventually he scans the crowd to the rear and then, immediately at the sound of the 'high powered rifle' shot at Z-313 he turns back toward the limo, hears the President is hit and he starts to move toward the limo. He is hindered because the follow-up car has slowed down and is pulling to the right to avoid CLINT HILL who is already moving toward the limo, READY can't jump down because the car would have run into him, he is called back meanwhile two more shots are heard.

Robert, I agree with you, a really good question. All that can be offered is pure conjecture because it is not possible to know the strategy, depth or details of their plans. Out of the box, I would think that the outcome of any plan can not be guaranteed and with the objective to have KENNEDY killed, they obviously had more than one means to accomplish this. I don't know for certain what weapon made the 'firecracker' like noise, I believe the best choice was the air gun because it would be the most silent weapon, by most silent does not imply that it did not make a noise, it did, like a 'firecracker' a 'noise' or 'pop', if you have another suggestion I would love to hear what other technology might surpass the air gun as a better candidate. I can only repeat what the testimony was concerning the 'firecracker' like noise. I have no other evidence of a shot coming at Z-190 other than KENNEDY stops waving MRS KENNEDY turns toward her husband after he had been wounded, which she claimed doing. CLINT HILL testified that he turned towards the President in response to the first shot LANDIS, READY, HICKEY and HILL all claimed they acted in response to hearing the first shot, these four SSA react simultaneously to something around Z-190, this is the only time that all four do any action simultaneously. Within a few seconds KENNEDY has his hands to his throat in a reaction. WILLIAM NEWMAN, GAYLE NEWMAN, JEAN NEWMAN claimed to hear the 'firecracker' like noise and see the President react prior to the limo reaching their location. AND JOHN CONNALLY claimed KENNEDY was wounded by the first shot and made claims that he turned and saw KENNEDY injured prior to being wounded himself. NELLIE CONNALLY claimed KENNEDY was wounded by the first shot and prior to CONNALLY being wounded MRS KENNEDY claimed she turned to the right because CONNALLY had started 'yelling' - Is it possible that CONNALLY could start 'yelling' immediately after the air had been expelled out of his lungs by a bullet? MCINTYRE - watch his actions, he apparently does not become aware of a shot having been fired as evidenced in the ZAPRUDER film and then ALTEGNS #6 How can this be? He obviously did not hear the 'firecracker' sound and the next shot has to then be the shot at Z-313 that caused the fatal head wound because MCINTYRE has NO reaction that can be observed until at least Z-255. --- IF LANDIS, READY and HICKEY turned to the rear in reaction to hearing the 'first' shot, then the first shot could not have occurred until after Z-210, but this solution leaves out the FACT that HILL made the same claim and had looked to the GK or President immediately after Z-190.

There were two people I know that wore hard hats during the motorcade on Elm Street. BRENNAN and MILLICAN MILLICAN is standing on the outside of the first curve near WOODWARD. MILLICAN can be seen in ALTGENS #6 left side, by light post. Is this who you are talking about Steven? Do you believe a shot came from over MILLICANS head as the limo traversed down Elm Street? Which shot would it have been? He did claim to hear 8 shots from 2 directions...humm

General Question How do I Quote another post? I see the Quote option on bottom right of a post, and I have used that with no effect. What am I missing?

Steven, thank you for the positive comments and the post. I have not analyzed who controlled the motorcade, but I am aware of the location of the limo was unusual and questionable as well as the failure to have the MC escorts in a position to protect the flanks of the limo. For a long time I questioned the failure of the SSA to protect the President because I believed the WC/R storyline concerning the number of shots and timing even though I doubted the WC/R concerning direction of shots and who done it. The failure for SSA to react in the time projected by the WC/R would have been nothing short of gross incompetence to treason. After I came to understand that the assassination was different than previously imagined with the first shot being 'silent' it changed the outlook I had toward the SSA. I can now see the concern that KELLERMAN, GREER, ROBERTS and HILL had with the odd activity going on within the limo. For all they knew KENNEDY was having some sort of medical problem which might have involved stopping to get immediate medical attention. Then the three shots from a 'high powered rifle' occurred almost simultaneously, it was too late, GREER accelerated out of danger, but the damage had already been accomplished. I hold no illusions now that the SSA did not do their jobs the best they could at the time. Where I fault them is in covering up the truth, although I doubt if anyone else would have done differently, these men were honorable and it is not possible to know what kind of pressure was placed on them or what lies were told to them to sooth their conscience to alter their stories. Concerning the Atomic Suitcase, what you say is true, I have also heard that the code books to launch atomic weapons were missing on 11/22/1963 as reported by B-52 crews. I don't know how to substantiate this claim. I got this information from JOHN JUDGE, whom I had found evidence he presented to be very dependable.

There has been conjecture that the first shot contained a toxin that immobilized KENNEDY. This conjecture is interesting and worth consideration when analyzing KENNEDYS lack of reaction in that he did not move after raising his hands to his throat. Also worth consideration is the placement of the first shot, with the assumption that the sniper hit the target area desired. Why not a head shot? If the first shot was to deliver a dose of chemical to immobilize KENNEDY a head shot may have been alarming but also not produce an effect of immobilization. The best spot IMO is the neck, uncovered by clothing and a soft target. With a scenario where the first shot comes 8 or 9 seconds before the remainder of the shots, the first shot had a purpose including not alarming the SSA of an assassination attempt that was ongoing. It may have even been that the initial shot contained a poison that would have eventually killed JFK regardless of additional injuries. All this is possible but is still only conjecture.

Robert That is the point is it not, that these witnesses did hear the 'firecracker' like sound while other witnesses did not. I don't know why they could hear it other than it is apparent that their location relative to the gk and the direction of the shot appears relevant. What ever type of weapon used for the first shot it was not conventional, it was not a silenced high powered rifle. IMO it was a silenced gas powered rifle designed for assassination and stealth.

Robert No please don't put words in my mouth W NEWMAN, J NEWMAN and G NEWMAN were standing between the gk and the oncoming limo. They heard the 'firecracker' like noise, and also noticed that JFK jumped at the sound, like he had been surprised. They did not comprehend it had been a shot or that JFK had been injured by it. Also WORRELL, SKELTON and HOLLAND are worth noting because they not only claimed to hear the 'firecracker' like noise they claimed to hear three shots from a 'high powered rifle'

MOORMAN J HILL HUDSON SUMMERS Also these witnesses went to the ground after hearing shots. Even BREHM and his son can be seen in photographs sitting on the ground. (looking toward the gk) Is there a reasonable explanation why no witness can be seen in photographic evidence reacting before Z-313? Then after Z-313, reactions by many witnesses is unmistakable. How is it even conceivable that all these witnesses got it wrong and then all of them concocted the same story on how the assassination occurred? How is it possible that MARY MOORMAN and JEAN HILL both claimed that MOORMAN took the Polaroid at the moment of the first shot? How is it possible they got this wrong? That MARY MOORMAN claimed she went to the ground after taking the Polaroid because the gunfire continued. That each witness made the same claim, that they went to the ground after hearing shots. As a comparison... Go read the SSA reports, there is no consensus among the SSA as to what happened during the assassination. SSA did not claim shots came from the SN or even the TSBD. MCINTYRE, READY, BENNET, ROBERT and KINNEY claimed to have no idea where three shots from a high powered rifle came from although SORRELS and LANDIS thought they came from the GK If the first shot was a 'high powered rifle' or 'firecracker' or 'backfire' No definite time or location when the first shot occurred or the second shot or the third shot. The timing of the shots, rapid or even spaced Number of shots Injuries caused by each shot No comments as to why they failed to react based on the WC/R theories timing. Then compare to CONNALLYS First shot recognized as a high powered rifle shot CONNALLY immediately recognized the threat as an assassination attempt JOHN CONNALLY and MRS CONNALLY claimed they observed the President was injured after the first shot, 'slumping'. JOHN CONNALLY emphatically claimed he did not see the President after the first shot. JC - rapid fire - speculated multiple gunman involved. JC shots came from the rear NELLIE shots came from her right... Mrs. CONNALLY. Well, I had no thought of whether they were high or low or where. They just came from the right; sounded like they were to my right. Wait a minute...that's not right is it? Better ask again SPECTER that is not the answer she was supposed to provide. Mr. SPECTER. With respect to the source, you say you thought it was to the right---did you have any reaction as to whether they were from the front, rear or side? Mrs. CONNALLY. I thought it was from back of us. Mr. SPECTER. To the rear? Mrs. CONNALLY. To the right; that is right. Typical WC non-sense, would need more than SPECTER to figure out what CONNALLY really means. 50 years of deceptions, propaganda and non-sense is long enough, it is time that it is revealed how the assassination took place. It is time for researchers to admit the WC/R theory does not work and is not a reasonable or acceptable explanation for the events that day. It is also time for researchers to admit that Conspiracy theories do not work and that no amount of finagling with bits of evidence will help. The fundamental understanding of the assassination has been wrong since 11/22/1963, since the moment news media proclaimed 'three shots rang out', virtually the first words out of CRONKITES mouth. It is time to analyze the assassination with a new perspective starting again with the basic information untainted by deceptions from those that endeavored to lead us astray or those pundits who lead us astray unintentionally.

Here is a graphic, if accurate (not my graphic), please note Third camera car, a Chevrolet convertible: driver from the Texas Department of Public Safety; photographer Robert H. Jackson, The Dallas Times Herald; photographer Tom Dillard, Dallas Morning News; Jimmy Darnell, WBAP-TV, Fort Worth; Mal Couch, WFAA-TV/ABC [3]; James R. Underwood, KRLD-TV.[112] These reporters claimed to hear three shots and see the rifle in the window of the TSBD What they are doing, by Z-241 - Z-249, 2 shots have supposedly already been fired, the occupants of the car are looking behind them away from the TSBD at an activity on the sidewalk, completely unaware that shots have supposedly already been fired. This photograph proves that first 'firecracker' like shot was not detected by them, it also proves that the first 'high powered rifle' shot has not yet occurred. Even more significant, like all of the photographic evidence, there is not a witness that appears to be aware of gunfire prior to moment of Z-313.

Robert MOORMAN, HUDSON, J HILL and SUMMERS did not hear the first shot that made the 'noise' or 'firecracker' type sound, even though the shot came from the grassy knoll. The significant aspects of their testimonies are; 1) The first shot they are aware of is the fatal head wound. 2) Additional shots are heard after the shot at Z-313 3) The shots come rapidly. 4) They were unaware that KENNEDY had been wounded prior to the fatal head wound. Robert, it is helpful in understanding the assassination if the witness testimonies are divided into two groups 1) Civilians 2) Government & media You may discover that one of these groups generally supports the WC/R theory the other does not. The question that needs to be addressed is why is this so?

Robert By your logic then it is not a coincidence that LANDIS, READY, HICKEY and HILL simultaneously look to the grassy knoll after the first shot.

Was there only three shots fired? When did the silent shot occur? When did the second shot occur? When did the third shot occur? Or were all three silent? If three shots were fired, why would the conspirators use a silent weapon for one of the shots if they were going to claim the Carcano rifle was the weapon used then throw three shells on the floor? Which shot hit KENNEDY in the throat? Which shot caused the fatal head wound? Which shot injured CONNALLY? Which shot injured TAGUE? Why did the majority of witnesses claim to hear three shots without any differentiation of sound.

Why did MRS KENNEDY have no reaction even after supposedly the second shot nails CONNALLY? If you LOOK at the ZAPRUDER film you might be surprised. Watch JACKIE from frame Z-253 to Z-285 her attention is on CONNALLY NOT her husband. Her attention goes to CONNALLY as he is in the process of turning around and only breaks from him as he is laying back on top on NELLIE.

Robert, no, you don't have it straight. Many, many reasons, but to start with; because this is the scenario claimed by witnesses closest to the limo at the time of the assassination that were not connected with government or media. MOORMAN J HILL HUDSON SUMMERS all claimed the first shot they heard was the cause of the fatal head wound, reinforced by MARY MOORMAN and the Polaroid taken at that moment and the FACT that no witness in DP is seen to react to the sound of gunfire until after Z-313, witness are seen continuing to applaud the President until Z-313. The reason they continued applauding is that they had not yet heard the crack of a high powered rifle. Second: Reports of a more silent shot occurring prior to the high powered rifle shot at Z-313, termed noise or 'firecracker' like sound, only some witnesses reported hearing this sound. IS the logical reason why no one in DP reacted including SSA and even MRS KENNEDY. Third: ALTGENS #6 an ultimate proof that the first shot was silent AND the second shot comes at Z-313, look at the witnesses, is anyone distracted by gunfire? Why has HILL not reacted yet? What is MCINTYRE doing is he even paying attention? Fourth None of the testimony concerning reaction around the VP is discernable and can not be corroborated in ALTGENS #6, since activity was claimed to have begun immediately after shot 1. What is it that you know that negates the claims of MOORMAN, J HILL, SUMMERS and HUDSON?