Robert Mady

Alan Watts said there are two main types of people ones who prefer Goo the others prefer Prickles. Goo people are satisfied with a concept, example what is light - it is a wave. Prickle people are satisfied with details, example what is light - it is particles. Since light is clearly a wave the Goo people are correct but since light is clearly particles Prickle people are correct, clearly they both can not be correct, yet both views are completely scientifically verifiable and valid. Prickles need to understand the details before conclusions may be derived, Goos understand the concept, both are correct, both are needed.

Larry, and others, truly amazing and informative posts. Larry I find myself agreeing with most of what has been posted on both sides, many valid points, but to keep Sheehan's presentation in perspective, it is not a book or a research paper it is a presentation to a group with possibly little understanding of the subject matter, Sheehan provides highlights that successfully build a case for the inner workings of the elite and how conspiracy works. It is up for interpretation but what captures my attention is that the facts that I know are true are echoed in his presentation which allows me to trust that other information presented is most probably correct as well as Sheehan's conclusions. Most of all the case Sheehan builds is logical and reasonable, keeping in mind what has been posted is that we are not privy to all the information or evidence, we must by necessity take leaps to bridge the gaps. I also agree with you that ultimately it is up to a meticulous researcher to verify the veracity of a theory by gathering and analyzing the details. You thoughts on the subject are an inspiration to read your works, thanks for the posts.

Thomas, the woman standing still may be assumed to be taking a photograph or not, it does not matter either way if there is not a photograph known to be in existence that was taken. The point is that she would have been in an ideal location to capture the assassination and in the back ground the knoll. To discuss whether or not she was taking a photograph is unproductive and ultimately does not matter either way unless we have knowledge of who she was and what happened to the photograph if one was taken. I tend to agree that she appears to be taking a photograph based on arms raised and her stance, although I have not seen the photographic evidence that John Dolva claims to have analyzed.

Chris, concerning man found within the red box of the BRONSON clip / Zapruder film. It looks to me like he is running and then comes to a halt in the Zapruder film. There is not much information in the Bronson film, but the Nix film also shows that he was moving, presumably running and coming to a halt. Why is this person of interest?

Daniel Sheehan Presents Conspiracy Theories and the UFO Phenomenon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRH4WcjVdwY Believe it or not Daniel Sheehan gave a presentation to a UFO conference that focused on conspiracy, IMO Mr. Sheehan reveals the connections from JFK assassination - NIXON - Watergate. I highly recommend this presentation to explain the involvement of NIXON and the significance of Watergate in connection to the JFK assassination.

Thomas Graves Thanks for the questions The film is BRONSON Film The animated gif was made by Chris Davidson I have asked Chris what the significance of the red box is but have not received a response from him, even though he has suggested the red box has significance. I believe this is where ALTGENS was located as well as two additional witnesses. Left to right, BREHM and his son as well as BEVERLY OLIVER can be seen to the right of the rear end of the follow-up car at the end of the gif. Posted #162: the woman that appears to be taking a photograph was pointed out and the forum was asked if she could be identified and if there is a photograph available that is associated with her. It is conjecture that she is indeed taking a photograph although it certainly appears that she is. Also of note is how short the BRONSON Film is, my guess is what is available is a portion edited from the original film.

Chris, CHARLES HESTER is wearing black pants and black coat, MRS HESTER is wearing dark brown. Chris, you must be right, I don't understand the color differences but this is where the HESTERS are in the WEIGMAN film - thanks

This is off topic, but instead of starting another thread I just need an answer does anyone know the identity of two witnesses that are on the ground to the right of ZAPRUDER?

Martins, testimony is an utter lie, unless you realize he is claiming the first shot he hears is the high powered rifle shot at Z-313. This is when he turns to look, but looks first towards the rail yards not the TSBD.

Mr. BALL. Did you look? Mr. MARTIN. Yes, sir; I looked back to my right. Mr. BALL. After which shot? Mr. MARTIN. After the first shot. Mr. BALL. You looked to your right? Mr. MARTIN. I looked back to my right. Mr. BALL. What did you look at? Mr. MARTIN. At the building on the right there. Mr. BALL. Is that the Texas School Book Depository Building? Mr. MARTIN. Yes; it Is. Mr. BALL. Did you see anything? Mr. MARTIN. No, sir. Mr. BALL. As you turned to the right, did you turn your motorcycle also, or did you turn your body? Mr. MARTIN. I believe I just turned my body. I don't believe I ever turned my motor. I believe I kept my motor headed down Elm Street - west on Elm. Mr. BALL. Did you take any notice of the President after the first shot? Mr. MARTIN. Yes, sir; I looked at the President after I heard the shot and he was leaning forward - I could see the left side of his face. At the time he had no expression on his face. MARTINs testimony is a complete and utter lie, MARTIN can not be observed to turn to the rear as he explicitly claimed. This testimony is nothing but the result of pressure from the WC or FBI to have MARTIN create a bold faced lie that corroborates the WC/R theory. Visual proof that MARTIN committed perjury is in the record of the Zapruder film and sprocket hole area, see animated gif which is from Z-133 to sometime past Z-255 - just don't have the exact frame number in front of me at this time. What is also important to understand is that neither MARTIN, HARGIS or CHANEY can be seen to respond to any noise until Z-313.

Contrast what HILL states and how he reacted to READY who can be seen to react to the sound of a high powered rifle within a split second and can be observed attempting to move to the limo. That how fast SSA react to the sound of gunfire.

HILL: "On the left hand side was a grass area with a few people scattered along it observing the motorcade passing, and I was visually scanning these people when I heard a noise similar to a firecracker. The sound came from my right rear and I immediately moved my head in that direction. In so doing, my eyes had to cross the Presidential automobile and I saw the President hunch forward and then slump to his left. I jumped from the Follow-up car and ran toward the Presidential automobile. I heard a second firecracker type noise but it had a different sound-- like the sound of shooting a revolver into something hard. I saw the President slump more toward his left." Discrepancies within the implausible WC/R story is evident in HILLS report. If we were to take HILLS report at face value, HILL hears the 'firecracker' like sound, then sees KENNEDY 'hunch forward', this has to be either after Z-190 or lets say after Z-210, this means HILL is telling us he sees KENNEDY in trouble and then reacts... 5.6 seconds or 4.4 seconds later. Is it not more reasonable that HILL like all the other SSA did not understand the 'firecracker' like noise was a threat and that HILL only moves to the limo to determine if the occupants needed assistance after HILL sees CONNALLY lay back on top of NELLIE? Also there is no logical way to explain how HILL missed the sound of a second shot from a high powered rifle that was supposedly fired before Z-313. If the second shot from a high powered rifle was fired at Z-230 that means HILL still waited for 3.3 seconds to react. It is that simple, there is nothing complicated about the assassination if you understand what happened. Try incorporating the four shot scenario with other testimony, you may be shocked that almost all testimony will corroborate this scenario with a very few exception, most notably from government employees or news media. Just keep in mind the word 'slumped' does not describe KENNEDYs appearance following the 'firecracker' like sound it applies to KENNEDY following the first high powered rifle shot, because most witnesses did not hear the 'firecracker' like sound and those that did had no awareness that KENNEDY had been wounded by it. And that is a fact.

Contrast the SSA reaction to the 'firecracker' like noise with CONNALLY immediately identifying the first sound he hears to be from a high powered rifle and immediately understands the gunfire to be an assassination attempt. Then the SSA do not react until CONNALLY lays back on top of NELLIE, HILL moves to limo after Z-290. CONNALLY says the shots came so fast he thought there must be more than one shooter...maybe three shooters. WE are being told two stories that do not corroborate one another unless we understand that this is two parts of the assassination. CONNALLY does not hear the 'firecracker' sound, he first hears the high powered rifle shot that caused the fatal head wound, the next two high powered rifle shots come very rapidly. Yes I know this is not what CONNALLY stated, plain and simple, same as the SSA, CONNALLY had to lie about what really happened, but there remains shards of the truth which are evident, once the assassination is understood. The SSA must keep with the WC/R story line that starts at some undetermined time but definitively ends at the fatal head wound. This is why we have reports from agents like HILL who claimed the first shot hit KENNEDY the second shot then caused the fatal head wound. HILL could not include the third and fourth shots because they were out of the scope of the storyline that was demanded they maintain.

READY: "At this time the U.S. Secret Service follow-up car seemed to slow " LANDIS; ' In fact, I recall Special Agent Jack Ready saying, "What was it? A Fire Cracker?" I remarked, "I don't know; I don't see any smoke.'' ' READY tells us that the follow-up car slowed, this was either in response to avoid hitting CLINT HILL that was running towards the limo and had crossed in front of the follow-up car or after the first high powered rifle shot. It is most likely that HILLs maneuver is what caused the follow up car to slow or momentarily stop. LANDIS tells us READYS reaction, they heard a 'firecracker' like noise, they do not see smoke and are confused by the noise. Where did they look, toward the noise - first... then scanning the crowd they turned by Z-255 to look behind the follow up car because they were concerned enough to identify where this noise came from and if it was ultimately threatening.

Thomas, if you read the thread you might understand HILL, READY, LANDIS and HICKEY react at the same moment by looking to their right, HILL said in his statement that he heard the 'firecracker' like sound and as his gaze was crossing the limo he became aware of strange activity in the limo. The point is HILL reacted in the same moment as the other agents and in the same manner by looking to the right, the Z-film shows that HILL indeed did look to his right, did he look to the gk at any point, it is not possible to positively ascertain. Again the point is this was the moment of the first shot and the SSA that heard the 'firecracker' like sound reacted by looking toward the source of the sound which appears to have been in front and to their right. Is it not most significant that READY, LANDIS and HICKEY all failed to disclose in their reports the fact that they reacted at the sound of the 'firecracker' like sound by looking towards the gk? And instead substituted the WC/R version by stating they first reacted by looking toward the rear? The other point that is significant is that the four agents that heard the first noise and reacted to it looked to their right, NOT to the rear, and they continued looking to their right at least until Z-212. HILL until at least Z-255. That is a fact. If you can't see it, let it go, we sometimes see what we choose to see. If you still disagree, that is ok, we will just disagree.

Thomas, lets end the conversation here. Thanks for reading the thread. Bob Mady

Thomas, I don't understand what you are trying to say. Please look at animated gif. HILL looks toward the gk or the limo after Z-190, LANDIS, READY and HICKEY simultaneously look toward the gk at the same moment, HILL continues to look at the limo or into the FU car until at least Z-255 as recorded in ALTGENS #6 That is fact. Also a fact that HILL can be seen in NIX Film running toward limo prior to Z-313, so HILL started to move to limo prior to hearing the first shot from a high powered rifle and seconds after hearing a popping sound that apparently came from the direction of the gk. The only thing that changed in the limo from Z-255 to Z-313 was CONNALLY laying back on top of NELLIE at Z-290, I am saying CONNALLYS action is the most likely cause for HILL to react and move to the limo.

Thomas, good question HILL takes action after z-290. How does a reaction following Z-290 relate to having reacted to a gunshot? HILL is seen conferring with someone in the FU vehicle until z-249 and can be seen in ALTGENS 6 at z-255 HILL does not react to a gunshot, he reacts to CONNALLY.

I love this BRONSON gif. "researchers' look at BREHM and his son. BREHM claimed to have heard three shots from a high powered rifle, which he recognized immediately. BREHM was an Army Ranger and took part in the invasion of France. BREHM turns away from his son to continue to applaud the President. BREHM apparently applauds until he hears the first shot from a high powered rifle.

Why would a SSA out right lie about an insignificant event that could easily been vetted for truth? Who is man number one, with the military cut?

David, what is significant about what can be observed within the red box?

Thomas, that is a good question, the answer is after CONNALLY lays back on top of NELLIE, following frame z-290. You can see HILL running to the limo in NIX Film near the front of the follow up car before the fatal head shot occurs.

Yes

David, Why don't you just post where SSA JOHNS can be found in a film or photograph. I am not interested in speculation. Yes, I know you produced this gif, I previously stated it was not mine and thanked you for it if you remember. Do you have a version of this gif without the red box you can post?

Does everyone see the woman standing still in the middle to the right side of this gif? A logical explanation for her actions is she is taking a photograph. She is standing still, with her arms slightly raised. Anyone know who she is or have a copy of the photograph she captured?