Robert Mady

To keep this as simple as possible, let me show approximately where one of the HPR shots originated from. We will use the experience of WIEGMAN who was in a convertible traveling by the TSBD when the three shots from a HPR sounded. We can see the camera jiggle as WIEGMAN struggles to get out of the vehicle so that he can run to the spot where he perceived a shot originated from. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdRr4KHbhqg Watch what WIEGMAN captures with his camera, he is filming what he felt in those moments following gunfire to be of the most significance. This film shows WIEGMANS experience or impression of the assassination and the TSBD and the SN window were not included. WIEGMAN who was below the TSBD SN window at the moment of the shots, is not at all interested in filming the TSBD. Looking back through film and photographs, no one was until much later when the authorities proclaimed the shots came from the TSBD, only then did the TSBD become of interest and news. This evidence supports the fact that there were no shots heard by witnesses that originated from any location other than from within DP, specifically the knoll and monument areas.

Brad, posted on 'Secret Service Response' thread is a list of media personnel and the vehicles the they rode in, of the four vehicles only one vehicle produced witnesses called to give testimony to the WC, this vehicle contained local media from Dallas, the other vehicles were mainly national media. 4 local media people from Dallas gave testimony, 16 from national media did not, drivers did not. Yet all four cars would have been near the TSBD and be at the most advantageous spots to have heard shots or spot a rifle... if any of the shots had come from the TSBD. Remember, even ALTGENS was not initially requested to provide testimony, the WC was pressured into getting his testimony. With the exception of DARNELL there are no FBI reports from any of the national news media that rode in the other vehicles. The WC appeared to be as uninterested in these media people as was the FBI.

Brad, your words are humbling. thank you

Gene, I understand the films were altered as well as two photographs containing the dog man. But are there other photographs that have been altered? I understand that some films and photographs probably will never see the light of day, but of the photographs available which have been altered, how and why? Gene your statement "and witnesses were quickly managed and intimidated" is the exact reasoning for the method used to analyze the assassination. Affidavits were analyzed first, because of all testimony provided on the assassination the Affidavits where recorded first, along with earliest media interviews, this testimony provides the clearest image of the assassination, the most unblemished by the influence of authorities and media. By the way have you seen WC testimony concerning KELLERMANS accidental disclosure of a black-n-white assassination film he viewed? Mr. SPECTER. Have you seen any other films of the assassination? Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes; I saw a black-and-white, but I didn't--I saw a black-and-white film. However, I didn't get enough out of it there to-- Your description of DP is intriguing.

List of Press cars in motorcade National press pool car (on loan from the telephone company), 1960 Bel Air sedan: Telephone company driver assistant White House press secretary Malcolm Kilduff (right front) Merriman Smith, UPI (middle front); Jack Bell, AP; Robert Baskin, Dallas Morning News; Bob Clark, ABC News (rear). First camera car, a yellow 1964 Chevrolet Impala Convertible: a Texas Ranger (driver) David Wiegman Jr., NBC; Thomas J. Craven Jr., CBS; Thomas "Ollie" Atkins, White House photographer; John Hofan, an NBC sound engineer; Cleveland Ryan, a lighting technician. Second camera car: Frank Cancellare, UPI Cecil Stoughton, White House photographer; Henry Burroughs, AP Art Rickerby, Life magazine; Donald C. “Clint” Grant, Dallas Morning News. Third camera car, a Chevrolet convertible: driver from the Texas Department of Public Safety; Robert H. Jackson, photographer The Dallas Times Herald; photographer Tom Dillard, Dallas Morning News Jimmy Darnell, WBAP-TV, Fort Worth Mal Couch, WFAA-TV/ABC Dallas James R. Underwood, KRLD-TV Dallas Reporters that provided testimony to the WC, all local, all from Dallas. all local news.. Robert H. Jackson, photographer The Dallas Times Herald; photographer Tom Dillard, Dallas Morning News Mal Couch, WFAA-TV/ABC Dallas James R. Underwood, KRLD-TV Dallas Reporters that were not requested to provide testimony to the WC, all non-local, virtually all connected with national news organizations assistant White House press secretary Malcolm Kilduff (right front) Merriman Smith, UPI (middle front); Jack Bell, AP; Robert Baskin, Dallas Morning News; Bob Clark, ABC News (rear). David Wiegman Jr., NBC; Thomas J. Craven Jr., CBS; Thomas "Ollie" Atkins, White House photographer; John Hofan, an NBC sound engineer; Cleveland Ryan, a lighting technician. Frank Cancellare, UPI Cecil Stoughton, White House photographer; Henry Burroughs, AP Art Rickerby, Life magazine; Donald C. “Clint” Grant, Dallas Morning News. Jimmy Darnell, WBAP-TV, Fort Worth As well as Drivers

Brad, thank you very much for the link, very interesting! I can use all the support I can get, there are many areas of the 'assassination four shot model' that have not yet been explored or explored to conclusion. Although I have noticed testimony indicating the origins of shots I have not analyzed the data to see if how it can be correlated. It would be interesting to have others working on these areas, it would progress the knowledge much faster. When do you think you might make the pilgrimage to DP? Are you hoping to solve any questions while you are there or just going to see what DP looks like first hand?

Reader of this thread, do not wait for a consensus in support of these posts, it will not come for a while. You can easily determine that "researchers" avoid posting responses critical or in support of posts elucidating evidence corroborating the 'four shot assassination model'. IMO - The truth is too foreign to currently held beliefs. This trend of 'silence' has been the norm for members so far on this forum as well as with hundreds of posts on JKFASSASSINATIONFORUM.Com. As I have attempted to bring to light on this thread, a video was posted, "JFK Assassination: Nothing but the truth" in it "information" was presented by 'trusted' JFK researchers Professor Fetzer and Jim Marrs, but when their dialog is analyzed it is easy to determine that "information" presented is not complete and possibly prevents us from unraveling the assassination. Please stop listening to 'experts', take the time to do your own analysis, if you really desire to understand the assassination. Stop believing that the assassination is such a great mystery it can't be solved, it can, it is real simple if you can alter you perspective to reflect the evidence, not dogmas created from myths and deceptions. Also do not wait for the smoking gun to jump on board, or allow nay sayers to continue to convince you that only government approved evidence can be considered or that the WC or another government run committee must be the arbiters of truth. You know it was a conspiracy and is covered up, do not allow them to continue to control your mind, take your freedom back. Turn off the TV, be very selective on what you read and question what it is that is presented as 'facts'.

Brad, yes I have been to DP and the sixth floor museum, although I plan to go back again very soon now that I understand how the assassination occurred I would like to photograph where snipers were located as well as the limo during each shot...if possible. I don't have the expertise to define why DP was chosen but it seems that it met a lot of criteria. Warehouse overlooking motorcade route. Controllable access to kill zone. Ability to place snipers in close proximity to limo. Cover for snipers. Escape routes. Motorcade would move slowly while turning onto Elm, which prohibited the limo from picking up speed until the remainder of motorcade cleared final turn. All of the shots came from the right side of the limo, the side with the President. The downward grade and curvature of the road would have been a distraction or problem not a positive. No shots would have been envisioned from a building or from the middle of DP, killing KENNEDY was the goal, but a sniper getting caught could have been disastrous, they would not have placed a sniper in a position that was vulnerable to discovery or that did not have abundant egress for escape. The evidence is available to determine where the shots came from, don't allow guesswork to continue to persuade you on where the shots might have come from, do your own analysis of the evidence.

The remaining portion I watched of this video piece centered on OSWALD, don't you guys understand OSWALD is a distraction, the assassination is not about OSWALD - he was a 'patsy', OSWALD was on the steps just as he claimed to have been, |you| can see him depicted in ALTGENS #6, "we" have discussed OSWALD for 50 years, that is 50 years of wasted energy and efforts, 50 years of being distracted, 50 years we made OSWALD too shiny to ignore, forget OSWALD for awhile. OSWALD is not the key he is the key distraction, ding dong! ding dong! ding dong! ding dong! To those that believe OSWALD IS innocent why would OSWALD have then lied about being on the steps during the assassination? Why would some one as smart as OSWALD tell a blatant lie that could easily have been uncovered by questioning OSWALDS alibi SHELLEY? Why didn't the investigation question SHELLEY about OSWALD being on the steps during the assassination, seems that OSWALD could have easily been caught in a lie...or maybe found to be innocent. Ding Dong!

If this evidence is true, BAKER does not seem to be looking up toward the pigeons flying from the tops of the buildings at any time at least between Z-241 and Z-249, when does he look up ? Mr. BELIN - All right. Did you see or hear or do anything else after you heard the first noise? Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir. As I was looking up, all these pigeons began to fly up to the top of the buildings here and I saw those come up and start flying around. Mr. BELIN - From what building, if you know, do you think those pigeons came from? Mr. BAKER - I wasn't sure, but I am pretty sure they came from the building right on the northwest corner. Mr. BELIN - Then what did you see or do? Mr. BAKER - Well, I immediately revved that motorcycle up and was going up there to see if I could help anybody or see what was going on because I couldn't see around this bend. Mr. BELIN - Well, between the time you revved up the motorcycle had you heard any more shots? Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; I heard--now before I revved up this motorcycle, I heard the, you know, the two extra shots, the three shots. Lets review, Besides BAKERS difficulty in remembering how the story was supposed to be told, BAKER somehow knows to wait till three shots have been fired, why wait and why did BAKER not wait for a fourth shot he waited for three? If BAKER immediately identified the sound of a high powered rifle and believed the sound came from one of two rooftops, why did he wait to react until sometime after Z-313? Also depicted, a camera car, it contains journalist that swore they saw a rifle in the TSBD window and here they are looking to the side/rear of their vehicle, they apparently are not aware that supposedly two shots have already been fired from the 6th floor TSBD window, why do they appear to be unaware the first two shots, even though they claimed to hear all three, but also then supposedly see a rifle after the third shot, what was so different about the third shot that they then looked to the TSBD 6th floor window? Why would we believe them about hearing three shots and seeing a rifle in the window after the third shot?

Mark, that man is PRAYER MAN not DOORMAN His outline is present to the left of DOORMAN. OSWALD had quickly left the steps to go to the lunchroom to either get a soft drink and or to await a prearranged meeting with his contact for instructions. BAKERS intent was to either relay a message to OSWALD or to murder OSWALD, because of his haste and direct course he took to get to OSWALD I believe he intended to murder him, the fact that TRULY trailed him disrupted his plans, if his intention was to relay a message, why would it have mattered a few more minutes in time to ditch TRULY and then go to meet OSWALD. The only reason BAKER would have run into a lunchroom on the second floor would have been because he knew OSWALD would be waiting there for a meeting. It is most logical that BAKER intended to murder OSWALD from the stand point that if OSWALD left the TSBD unknowns could come into play and disrupt or derail carefully laid plans. Representative BOGGS -And he came up to you, did he say anything to you? Mr. BAKER - Let me start over. I assumed that I was suspicious of everybody because I had my pistol out. Representative BOGGS -Right. Mr. BAKER - And as soon as I saw him, I caught a glimpse of him and I ran over there and opened that door and hollered at him. Representative BOGGS -Right. Mr. DULLES - He had not seen you up to that point probably? Mr. BAKER - I don't know whether he had or not. Representative BOGGS -He came up to you? Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; and when I hollered at him he turned around and walked back to me. Representative BOGGS -Right close to you? Mr. BAKER - And we were right here at this position 24, right here in this doorway. Representative BOGGS -Right. What did you say to him? Mr. BAKER - I didn't get anything out of him. Mr. Truly had come up to my side here, and I turned to Mr. Truly and I says, "Do you know this man, does he work here?" And he said yes, and I turned immediately and went on out up the stairs. Mr. TRULY. I heard some voices, or a voice, coming from the area of the lunchroom, or the inside vestibule, the area of 24. Mr. BELIN. All right. Let me ask you this now. How far was the officer's gun from Lee Harvey Oswald when he asked the question? Mr. TRULY. It would be hard for me to say, but it seemed to me like it was almost touching him. Mr. BELIN. What portion of his body? Mr. TRULY. Towards the middle portion of his body. IS BAKER lying about a brief conversation with OSWALD? Is it logical to demand a suspect turn and walk towards you even while holding a gun on him and not asking him any questions and then allow the suspect to stop just inches from the end of your gun? Why would BAKER have allowed a suspect to get so close, why would BAKER have ordered a dangerous suspect to come towards him at all? If you were confronted unexpectedly by an Officer pointing a gun at you, would you not say something...anything, the last thing I would do first would be to move towards a gun pointed directly at me. Both BAKER and TRULY claimed that there was nothing odd about OSWALDS behavior nor was he winded, at such a time with a potential shooter on the loose, why would BAKER have wasted any time on this unperturbed person, why was OSWALD continued to be held a suspect by BAKER until TRULY unexpectedly joined them and was consulted to determine if OSWALD should be released from suspicion, specially during the initial crucial moments where reasonably a person could not be expected to be found on a second floor just seconds following shots believed to have been taken from the roof, 5 floors above which was BAKERS stated intended destination? The fact that they wasted no time in murdering OSWALD shows their haste. It also becomes apparent that RUBY in the police station intended to murder OSWALD during the midnight press conference. Listen to the 90 second, held for no rational purpose other than to provide RUBY the opportunity to murder OSWALD press conference, there are multiple instances of someone purposely causing distraction by moving heavy furniture or chairs to make horrendous screeching noises. Then some yelling. Same type of noise distraction as beeping horn from backing up car, during the murder attempt on Sunday morning no reason to broadcast transfer of OSWALD watch him get murdered TV presentation. The man FRAZIER's arrow can arguable be pointed at, the man with the short sleeved shirt is also apparently gone from the steps in animate Clip, this fact correlates exactly to LOVELADYs claim to have worn a short sleeved shirt and the character with the short sleeved shirt disappeared immediately from the steps is conclusive evidence proving that it was LOVEADY in the short sleeved shirt and absolutely once again LOVELADY could not have been DOORMAN.

The FBI could not make LOVELADY lie about what he wore during the assassination. LOVELADY told the truth and was subsequently photographed in the shirt he wore. The truth is the FBI then simply ignored LOVELADYS statement and photographs. The truth is the WC then simply ignored LOVELADYS statement and photographs. The truth is the WC then simply requested that FRAZIER identify LOVELADY in Altgens #6 by placing an arrow directly to LOVELADY and placing the arrow as close to DOORMANS head as possible, which he did. The truth is the WC then simply requested that LOVELADYS identify himself in Altgens #6 photograph in a manner that could not be definitive. The truth is the news media then simply claimed the FBI evidence provided in LOVELADYs statement and photographs were conclusive to prove DOORMAN was LOVELADY. Can you still defend LOVELADY wore plaid and was DOORMAN when official evidence cataloged by the government indicates otherwise?

I have read about OSWALD on the step, the fact that LOVELADY provided information for an official FBI report including being photographed and this evidence was accepted unquestioned both by HOOVER and the WC, is sufficient to absolutely conclude that LOVELADY could not possibly be doorman, if people choose to ignore the evidence it is really typical of denial in the absolute sense of the word. Add the fact that LOVELADY was specifically directed to identify himself in Altgens #6 in such a manner that prohibits us from knowing what he did is conclusive evidence in itself of shenanigans to obscure the truth. If LOVELADY was in truth DOORMAN Altgens #6 self identification would have been clearly marked in a manner that could leave no doubts. what does it matter if DOORMAN is OSWALD or not, none of the shots came from the sixth floor, none of the shots came from the TSBD. It does not really matter where OSWALD was located during the assassination. If I am removed for truth, then it really isn't worth contributing to the Forum is it?

Brad, thank you for sharing the videos and your posts. MK Davis is incorrect, he is working from misconceptions about the assassination. Why do KELLERMAN, GREER and CONNALLYS move forward while MRS KENNEDY shows no forward motion? If the limo decelerated rapidly all the occupants would show a similar forward motion, this does not happen. This movement comes at ~Z-325, this is when CONNALLY is shot and is driven down and to his left, NELLIE falls to her right, GREER and KELLERMAN both reflexively duck down because another shot or two has just been fired, MRS KENNEDY lets go of her husband and starts to exit out the back of the limo to escape the gunfire that is occurring. The limo was only moving at 10-12 mph as it traveled down Elm, GREER had already begun to slow even further to allow HILL to transfer to the limo, this was around Z-300 how much deceleration was there possible after Z-325? Fact is GREER did not decelerate further, he began to accelerate after the shot at Z-325.

Pat, could you post HILLS testimony that claims MRS KENNEDY climbed on the trunk and picked up a piece of skull from the trunk of the limo. As I specifically provided is evidence that MRS KENNEDY could not have been influenced to go onto the trunk to retrieve a piece of skull because she does not look that direction until already moving onto the trunk, retrieving bones could not possibly have been a motivation, her movement on the trunk was dictated by GREERs acceleration of the limo and the fact that her gloves would have slid. If you choose to stay with propaganda generated from lies do so, don't waste my time with this non-sense. There is no argument that MRS KENNEDY may have had a piece of her husbands skull at the hospital, his head was fractured, there no doubt was pieces remaining in the limo after they got out, MRS KENNEDY certainly would have examined the wound to see if she could help. What is so unlikely about her picking up a separated piece from her lap and carrying it to the doctor? Why are people more willing to defend crazy actions of MRS KENNEDY climbing onto a trunk of a moving vehicle during the assassination to retrieve debris on the trunk from a baseball size hole in the back of KENNEDYs head. We more easily accept an insane explanation because it has been drilled into our heads for 50 years verses analyzing the facts and realizing that MRS KENNEDY is not acting crazy she is acting in a manner of self preservation to save her life and escape from a limo that has continued to take gunfire. Surely we are insane to not recognize truth.

About 35:20 Jim Marrs continues with: On screen is a Zapruder frame showing MRS KENNEDY on the trunk of the limo. Marrs states "A lot of misinformation...TRUTH IS, based on her testimony...was that she crawled out on the rear deck of the car under her own volition reached out and picked up a piece of the Presidents head" WC Testimony Mrs. KENNEDY. No; I was looking this way, to the left, and I heard these terrible noises. You know. And my husband never made any sound. So I turned to the right. And all I remember is seeing my husband, he had this sort of quizzical look on his face, and his hand was up, it must have been his left hand. And just as I turned and looked at him, I could see a piece of his skull and I remember it was flesh colored. I remember thinking he just looked as if he had a slight headache. And I just remember seeing that. No blood or anything. And then he sort of did this [indicating], put his hand to his forehead and fell in my lap. And then I just remember falling on him and saying, "Oh, no, no, no," I mean, "Oh, my God, they have shot my husband." And "I love you, Jack," I remember I was shouting. And just being down in the car with his head in my lap. And it just seemed an eternity. You know, then, there were pictures later on of me climbing out the back. But I don't remember that at all. The unsuspecting viewer will believe this as truth when it is evident that what he said is not true.

JACKIE climbs out of the limo because her husband has just been murdered, the limo is moving very slowly and another shot is heard at Z-325 which then causes JACKIE to attempt to escape the gunfire, she starts to climb out the back of the limo without initially even looking towards the rear. If true, CONNALLYS words may have come back to her "they re going to kill us all!" Her gloved hands cannot grip the polished trunk and when GREER begins to accelerate JACKIES weight moves to the rear, she slips while attempting to compensate for the shift in weight.

I decided to publish a gif to prove once and for all the fallacy of JACKIE climbing onto the trunk of the limo to retrieve a bone. The gif consists of frames Z-313 to Z-381 (just the odd frames) captured from MPI DVD Please analyze the animated gif attached. You can realize that: 1) AT Z-313 JACKIE is bent forward looking closely into the face of her husband. 2) The fatal head wound blow-out the back of JFKs head projected debris toward HARGIS. 3) There is no possible way JACKIE is going to see the debris based on her position and direction of her gaze. 4) Another HPR shot comes at Z-325 which causes JACKIE to try to escape from the limo - for whatever reason she tries to climb out over the trunk A second HPR shot is the reason JACKIE moves out of the limo! NOTE JACKIE is moving to the rear and out of the limo without looking toward the rear. IF a chunk of bone had caught her attention she would have looked to the bone and then moved in that direction, this does not take place! 5) At no time does JACKIE even look to the rear to see where she is going or what is in front of her until she is climbing out of the limo 6) When JACKIE is on the trunk, GREER is accelerating the limo, JCAKIE is wearing slippery cotton gloves. 7) The reaching motion is not reaching for a bone, JACKIES hand is not lifted off the trunk it slides in response to her momentum being carried to the rear. 8) JACKIES left arm collapse as she cannot maintain her weight and balance with gloved hands. 9) JACKIE sees HILL and moves back to the safety of the limo or the speed of the limo becomes prohibitive. 0) If JACKIE has a bone when she reaches the hospital, her husbands head was in her lap for 5 minutes, additional chucks of bone could have come loose during the ride to the hospital. a) During Testimony JACKIE claims to not remember climbing out of the limo, then how could she later remember retrieving a chunk of bone from the trunk? Don't be deceived by those intending to mislead or those that really don't have a clue but can be persuasive with words. Stop the deception and the preposterous speculation concerning JACKIE going to fetch a bone! This is WC/R propaganda you are inadvertently spreading. Get it correct please!

< IMO > Continue to question authors like Professor Fetzer, Jim Marrs, Mark Lane, Robert Groden or Colin McLaren...etc., Appropriate rule of thumb, if it appears on TV or is published the information it likely is filled with misconceptions.

Watched more, Jim Marrs, at 27:40 he points out DOORMAN in the doorway of the TSBD and insinuates conspiracists conjecture it might have been OSWALD but then shows LOVELADY in a similar shirt. Marrs NEGLECTS to mention that LOVELADY himself provided absolute proof directly to the FBI that it could not have possibly been him by making an official statement along with having photographs taken of the shirt he claimed to wear during the assassination: Please don't post LOVELADY was confused or didn't intend to claim he wore the shirt he was photographed in, because the FBI and WC without question accepted this evidence as part of the official public record without attempting to correct this evidence in any manner. GRODEN should be called into question for his publishing of the information concerning LOVELADY in plaid shirt and claiming LOVELADY made a mistake or was merely confused. In 1964 the FBI released the photographs and Look or Life even published the FBI photographs of LOVELADY in striped shirt proclaiming that this absolutely was the shirt LOVELADY wore and that it was then determined beyond doubt confirmed to be a match for the attire of DOORMAN.

Brad, the Umbrella man firing first shot is a diversion from the truth. Consider sprocket hole area crop of Z-207 IF first 'firecracker' like shot came at ~Z-190 Before Z-207 you can determine that READY, LANDIS, HICKEY and HILL had simultaneously looked toward the GK in response to something, it is reasonable to conclude that this was the sound of the first shot. Also of note is that CHANEY, MARTIN and HARGIS do not appear to be aware of any noise nor is MCINTYRE. This supports the fact that the first shot was silenced. The Umbrella Man firing a dart is a diversion, there are two photographs showing an anomaly on the corner of the wall, about where the SSA turn to look. This anomaly has no explanation. The UM is undoubtedly part of the assassination as is the Cuban standing in front of him, they did not fire weapons, they were signaling or spotting. This is the same non-sense to distract our attention as is a man in the sewer, on the triple underpass, the roof of the courts building, on the second floor of the Dal-Tex or somewhere else in or on top of the TSBD, GREER turning and firing a pistol or the most recent disinformation coming via Australia from retired police detective Colin McLaren claiming it was HICKEY firing the fatal shot by mistake. Do not believe this fiction, it will divert you from the actual evidence and the truth. These diversions are created to explain mysterious evidence that is not properly comprehended. There is virtually NO evidence supporting shots coming from any locations other than the grassy knoll and monument areas, if you disregard government and media testimonies and contrived autopsy reports.

Kathy, the WC/R merely altered the timing of the second shot that caused the fatal head wound and number of shots fired to be that the third shot caused the fatal head wound and was the final shot of three. This is the reason why the photographic evidence does not correlate to or is corroborative with the majority of testimonial evidence nor does photographic evidence support the three shot WC/R theory. Therefore the testimonial evidence for the most part is ignored as ramblings of confused or overly excited witnesses or the notion promoted that witness testimony should generally be considered to be unreliable and therefore not useful to determine the truth. When the 'Four shot assassination model' is applied to the evidence it can be understood the photographic evidence aligns with testimonial evidence and they become corroborative to each other. In other words the 'Four shot assassination model' is derived directly from both the photographic evidence and testimonial evidence and that both sets of evidences support each other and therefor the 'Four shot assassination model'.

2) 'Four shot assassination scenario model' Exactly four shots were fired, the first shot coming from a silenced weapon, this weapon more likely was a rifle utilizing compressed gas, created for stealth or assassination, compressed gas weapons have been used in combat since the 15th century. This weapon made a slight popping sound, described by a small number of witnesses that detected the sound of this first shot to be a 'noise' or 'firecracker' like, the overwhelming majority of witnesses did not detect this sound, there is also a defined pattern for the locations of witnesses that reported hearing this sound stretching on a narrow band from the triple over pass to limo to TSBD. About 11 or so witness actually heard this sound. No witness, SSA or bystander comprehended that this was the start of the attack on KENNEDY or that this shot injured KENNEDY, this includes MRS. KENNEDY who may be seen in Altgens #6, holding onto JFKs elbow and in frame Z-255 (taken at the about same moment of Altgens #6 from a different angle) looking toward CONNALLY puzzled by his antics or remarks he is making. The second shot occurs at about Z-313 and is the first high powered rifle shot, this shot is heard by everyone in DP and reported by at least two witnesses located two blocks away as well as 20 sheriff deputies stationed outside of DP, this shot caused the fatal head wound. At the sound of this shot the motorcade came to a momentary halt, this is when the agents in the VP car and VP follow-up car reacted to protect the VP, this shot came at about Z-313, this is why the actions claimed are not visible in Altgens #6, because Altgens #6 is taken prior to the first high powered rifle shot and the actions that occurred afterwards in the VP and VP follow-up cars have not yet occurred. At the sound of the first high powered rifle shot is also the moment that agent READY reacted to move to protect KENNEDY but was recalled by agent ROBERTS, HILL had already been moving to the limo just prior to Z-313 and reached the limo just after the fatal head wound occurred. The third shot occurs at Z-325, is also a high powered rifle shot and strikes CONNALLY in the back causing five wounds. Fourth shot is also from a high powered rifle and ricochets off a curb causing debris to nick TAGUES chin. The WC/R merely disregarded the fact that the first shot actually made a different sound than the other shots, then moved the first shot that came from a high powered rifle, the cause of the fatal head wound to BE the first shot and have caused seven wound to JFK & CONNALLY or the shot that injured TAGUE... then the third shot to definitively have caused the fatal head wound. The WC/R proclaimed that the last shot caused the fatal head wound and disregarded witness accounts that claimed the first shot heard caused the fatal head wound and that two shots followed. The WC/R utilized witness accounts of JFK 'slumping' as a result of the fatal head wound to be reinterpreted as JFK 'slumped' as a result of the shot to his back. The reality is no one, NO ONE recognized JFK was injured by the first shot, three witnesses recorded seeing JFK jump as if in surprise at the 'firecracker' like sound. Proof of no comprehension is at least four people continue to applaud the President until Z-313, including BREHM who is located a few feet from the limo as it passed by him just before the fatal head wound occurred and Altgens #6 where there is not any witness that can be identified to appear to have reacted to ANY gunfire.

Kathy, please don't give up on understanding the differences between scenarios. Let me give you the two scenarios. 1) Propaganda created by WC/R & news media to explain the assassination -> 'three shot scenario theory' Exactly three shots were fired, all of them coming from a high powered rifle, positioned in the TSBD sixth floor window. Time of first shot - uncertain - no earlier than when JFK is obscured by road sign Time of second shot - uncertain - Time of third shot - Z-313 - cause the fatal head wound Time to fire the three shots, some time over 5 seconds, maybe as much as 8 or 9 seconds. Injuries incurred per shot or missile: JFK - Head JFK - Back wound / Throat wound & CONNALLY Back, chest, wrist & leg TAGUE - cheek The only point of agreement within this theory about the wounds is one missile caused the fatal head wound and this occurred at frame Z-313. There has been continuous speculation since the assassination as to which bullet struck TAGUE and which bullet caused the seven injuries to JFK and CONNALLY and when these first two shots occurred / which shot occured first and which shot was second. Sound of the shots All of the shots must have sounded exactly the same, although a small number of witnesses reported some of the shots to sound like a 'noise' or 'firecracker' or a 'backfire' and various other descriptions. The differences in sounds is attributed to perception, surprise or maybe location within Dealey Plaza. The location of the sniper according to witness accounts could not definitively be determined by 4-600 witnesses present, only about three people reported seeing a man in the sixth floor window and a few more reported maybe seeing a barrel of a rifle. The SSA did not report a location for the rifle fire and no agent claimed the TSBD location to be the source. A number of witnesses that thought the shots may have come from the TSBD claimed the building in general to be the source, virtually no portions of the building is singled out or identified, such as upper floors or lower floors or East side or West or any particular window or roof, an exact location or even general location remained nebulous or undefined. The WC/R theorized the first shot to have occured sometime 5-9 seconds prior to the fatal head shot at Z-313 and the third and final shot to occur at exactly frame Z-313.

Supposedly Two shots from a high powered rifle before frame Z-255 or Altgens #6.