Robert Mady

This is off subject but reminds me of bewilderment I feel towards the works of Lane. BREHM claimed shots he heard, he immediately recognized as from a high powered rifle, three of them and that the limo traveled only 10-12 feet during the shooting. BREHM can be seen applauding the limo as it passes his location until about Z-300, BREHM obviously had not heard any shots at that time. BREHM claims to have immediately realized the shots were from a high powered rifle, the first shot he hears must be at Z-313 and two other shots followed, how is it LANE does not recognize this? That BREHM did not hear the shot that initially wounded KENNEDY! Why didn't lane discuss this with BREHM? I want to propose that what LANE produced may have been propaganda, meant to keep us from discovering the truth. Or Lane never really understood the assassination and what witnesses meant by their statements. It bothers me that this is so obvious, yet ignored.

9/11 There are many images of vehicles that were burnt, there are no incidences of people with burns. How is this possible? The people caught in the cloud of dust said it felt slightly warm.

9/11 What created the smoke or dust and what material is it made from?

Paul, Dulles ran the WC did he not, I thought Warren was there intermittently and basically lent his name as the stamp of approval. Why would Dulles not fully support the conspiracy and assure that the WC followed prescribed outcome?

Paul, I have no argument with what you are saying, I agree that Hitler had the backing of international banking. I have no idea what the NAZIS said about the jews or their connections to banking or the Rothschilds, nor do I care. Class warfare is standard operating procedures for governments. Romans created hatred for the Christians. American government turns blacks against whites, upper class against middle class, Americans against Latinos, Americans against Islamic. Hitler was extreme, but no more extreme than Americans murdering indigenous people - Indians, Americans murdering a million Vietnamese in a war for their freedom or a million Iraqis to steal their oil or thousands of Afghanistan's to steal their poppy fields and secure an oil pipeline. Americans murder for greed, Hitler murdered for another reason. What's the difference?

Paul, I believe it is more complex then you are crediting the conspirators. "They' may have had many goals but had to select most probable successful outcomes on the fly. I believe that one of the anticipated plot lines was to use OSWALD as the connection to CASTRO and ultimately the excuse to invade Cuba. This is why 'they' originally found a MAUSER ARGINTINE rifle, this was one type of weapon the CIA provided to Castro to support his struggles in Cuba, no doubt there would have been a direct link along with some Cubans killed trying to escape, hence the photograph of OSWALD on the steps in ALTGENS 6 was published, as a visual connection to Cuba, when OSWALD was not murdered at the TSBD by BAKER or at the TT the plot had to change to lone nut and the invasion of Cuba disappeared from possibilities and ALTGENS 6 was withdrawn from further publication. Hence the next day the Carcano was discovered to be the murder weapon. The 'pristine' bullet changed from a MAUSER bullet to a Carcano 'pristine' bullet. The plot had to be extensive to take in as many variables as possible and the flexibility to be altered when it became necessary to cover unexpected occurrences..

Brad, I have posted much information on how the assassination occurred, it would be best to review the posts to gain the benefit of analyzing crucial evidence to substantiate claims I am about to make. We collectively have a conception of the assassination that was provided to us by the news media / WC?R. We see it as three shots and in ALTGENS 6 we are easily convinced that the SSA stood down because all we can detect after supposedly two shot from a high powered rifle is inaction. Here is animated gif which illustrates the SSA reaction following Z-190 to look toward the knoll, and also note it appears that HILL consults with ROBERTS in the queen mary, maybe discussing what may be occurring in the limo...HILL moves to the limo after CONNALLY lays back on top of NELLIE after Z-300, this movement is not associated with any gunshot. IF we can alter our perception of what really took place, imagine the first shot at about Z-190, it is silent it makes a slight popping sound some termed it 'firecracker' like, four SSA immediately look towards the source of the sound (READY, LANDIS, HICKEY and HILL), which was the grassy knoll, but they could not discern danger, neither the SSA nor Mrs. KENNEDY realized the President had been wounded as a result. GREER and KELLERMAN became aware of a disturbance with CONNALLY and turned to see what was going on, when CONNALLY laid back on top of NELLIE, GREER slowed the limo down and gave HILL the opportunity to run to the limo to check on the occupants. This is when the first shot from a high powered rifle occurred, it caused the fatal head wound, GREER hesitated to allow HILL to board the limo, but a second shot from a high powered rifle occurred, injuring CONNALLY and causing Mrs. KENNEDY to bolt from her seat and attempt to climb out over the trunk, the fourth shot followed in quick succession, GREER floored it, causing Mrs. KENNEDY, wearing cotton gloves on her hands to slip on the trunk, making her appear like she reached out, she was trying to retain balance, meanwhile HILL climbed on board. The SSA were not complicit in the assassination. That is not to say there was not complicity at some level in preparation of the route or security measures dictated from the top. I don't believe GREER or KELLERMAN or HILL had prior knowledge and I also believe that HILL and others would have done anything to avoid this tragedy. I do believe that for the most part every agent lied or told half-truths or lied by omission about their experiences as cover for the conspirators and are continuing to lie now.

Paul, I don't know all that may have been publicaly expressed in NAZI Germany, but it must be clear that HITLER could not have attained power or rebuild Germany without the expressed assistance from International Bankers. Which continued to support Germany for much if not all of the war. NAZI Germany is an example of a government ruled by corporations as was Italy. As is United States There is FASCI or an axe with bundled handles, a traditional symbol of Roman absolute power or control, these ornaments adorn each side of the podium. They are on the wall in the most prominent position for a specific reason. This symbol even appeared on dimes, even though no one realized what the symbol meant, I was told it was the top of a model T ford behind a fence. We are just ignorant of the true power in control in this country. Did WE ever have control, probably not, it is just an illusion they propagate to retain control. Another question might be asked and that is why the god Mercury appeared on our money? Along side the image of Mercury is IN GOD WE TRUST...which god are they referring to?

What is impossible to sum up in a post Sheehan does well in his presentation that the assassination was not the result of one man or one powerful group of people, rather it was a consensus among many people and groups that truly believed KENNEDY was a traitor in their perception of the direction necessary for America to survive and thrive. Was the CIA involved absolutely, was the FBI involved absolutely, did the Dallas Police Department fall in line absolutely, military yes, news media yes, mafia YES. It is not possible to point to one group or one person except for LBJ who was necessary to maintain cover for the assassination and HOOVER to make sure evidence was secured. It would also require the stamp of approval from families that wielded major power and money. The CIA would not have and could not have orchestrated the assassination without expressed intentions of the significant powers that would replace KENNEDY and be the beneficiaries of the change in leadership. One might say this was impossible to get all the necessary groups in line, yet we can see that it did happen. A good example is the news media, from the moment the assassination was announced the news media began to pump out lies concerning what happened; for instance it was proclaimed a weapon was found it was a "Enfield" then it was a 'Japanese rifle' then it was a 'Remington' no...THEN it was a 'Mauser' then a day later it mysteriously changed to a 'Carcano' this was not a media confused this was a media causing confusion and confounding the publics perception of the assassination so that we could not form a true consensus as to what the facts were. All three major networks as well as Dallas local broadcast the same propaganda, it is clear they were all on board with a change in power, this could have only happened with foreknowledge and an agreement that this was necessary for the good of all, so a carefully controlled script was broadcast as news. A way to look at the assassination is not as a coup but a violent corporate take over. The government did not change, the CEO and leadership at the top was removed.

I disagree with your contention that CONNALLY caused a problem for the hospital doctors in cahoots with the conspirators to get the bullets, the bullets if any present would be removed at the autopsy and discarded. CONNALLY was targeted if you consider he was shot after the President at Z-325, this was the third shot and originated at a location behind ZAPRUDER Mr. LIEBELER - All right, as you stood here on the abutment and looked down into Elm Street, you saw the President hit on the right side of the head and you thought perhaps the shots had come from behind you? Mr. ZAPRUDER - Well, yes. Mr. LIEBELER - From the direction behind you? Mr. ZAPRUDER - Yes, actually What is behind ZAPRUDER in this frame? This is the moment in time ZAPRUDER is referring to. Or possibly this frame, when CONNALLY is wounded. CONNALLY was targeted because the hit team was probably trained to hit the man in the jump seat, which should have been YARBOROUGH. IF it had been YARBOROUGH he likely would have divulged the truth, whereas from where he was eventually located, he had a very limited view of the assassination. CONNALLY took the shot intended for YARBOROUGH, it was meant to be. "They' would have dealt with any bullets the same way they handled the slug removed from CONNALLYS leg, just replace it with evidence supporting 'their' fiction.

RATHER should have followed the forward head snap with If he was a real journalist and not a propagandist. RATHER "Mrs. KENNEDY stood up immediately, the President leaned over her way" apparently RATHER can detect a instantaneous forward head snap that is detectable in 1 frame but utterly fails to comprehend KENNEDY get violently driven to his left over 10 frames and it was not the result of Mrs. KENNEDY's eventual movements to escape from the limo. RATHER is a fraud as well as the news media is just a voice piece for the powers that be in control.

The CBS news reader convincing us that a shot came from the rear because the forward head snap (which in all probability he could not have discerned) was more apparent and news worthy than the violent left movement which he failed to mention.

YARBOROUGH: "After what I took to be about three seconds, another shot boomed out, and after what I took to be one-half the time between the first and second shots (calculated now, this would have put the third shot about one and one-half seconds after the second shot--by my estimate--to me there seemed to be a long time between the first and second shots, a much shorter time between the second and third shots" "They' removed frames to speed up the limo, from head shot to fourth shot was three or four seconds according to YARBOROUGH. This is why CONNALLYS can move superhumanly quick, JOHN was laying on top of NELLIE Z-314 to both facing forward in 1/2 of a second at Z-323. GIF changes every 1/2 second so this is real Zapruder film speed, showing start Z-314 and end frame z-323.

BREHM describing the head blow out to LANE From BREHMS proximity and location he saw the back of the head get blown out and a piece of skull projected towards him. BREHM could not see the flap that covered the side of KENNEDYS head. ...BREHM continues this gesture with a forward sweep of his hand, not sure if this is him conforming to a shot from the rear or if he is describing seeing the flap of skin as it wrapped around the side of KENNEDYS head.

Just for grins and giggles, the news reader is reading a newswire story that was hastily torn from the printer, the news reader has no problem in reading this transmission, even though the paper is torn vertically down the page according to the orientation of the page as it is being read. The page probably has no writing on it, someone got the bright idea to show how hectic the newsroom was rip a page in half and read from it, good plan except the orientation of the page, half of the print would be gone... What is also hilarious, there was virtually no authentic news presented it was all fiction.

Mr. Lifton at the end of your presentation in 2003 you talked about the manner in which ZAPRUDER describes the head wound: You use ZAPRUDERS description to allude to somehow supporting the forward head movement prior to Z-313. But consider an older gentleman who whore eye glasses peering thru a movie camera viewfinder, what did he see? Did ZAPRUDER detect the dark hole in the back of the Presidents head or the shiny sun lite flap that was created by the shot and is laying against the side of KENNEDYS head? What do you believe ZAPRUDER is pointing to? After all of the talk of an altered Zapruder Film, you all seem to take it for granted that there really was a forward head snap, what on earth makes you believe that this is real? One of the first objectives of modifying the ZAPRUDER film would be to alter the film so as to convince a viewer that the wounds were caused by shots from the rear. If a shot came from the rear KENNEDY must react with a forward head movement, they could only modify the film so much. The limo was slowing down to allow CLINT HILL to transfer to the limo, this deceleration would have caused KENNEDY to slump forward, if they removed a frame or two this would account for the jump. Here is what ZAPRUDER indicated on 11/22/1963 - please compare <> Just a side note, to see how staged this whole event was, look at the announcer doing what ??? that was more important than this guest, who is demonstrating to the world were The President was wounded, he isn't even interested to look. Look at ZAPRUDER as he indicates to this announcer where KENNEDY was wounded...Does this make ZAPRUDER and what he claims to appear insignificant, like he may not be reliable, not worth the attention of the news reader, by extension ->you? The news media utterly failed to present facts to the American Public, it is easy to comprehend that the news was controlled from the moment they went on the air. They broadcast a continuous stream of disinformation to keep the public guessing at what happened that day. They caused confusion. The fact that the forward head snap is undetectable and certainly overshadowed by the movement to the left, this virtually imperceptible feature was commented on by DAN RATHER, they must have told DAN what to say and 'they' would have known they created the illusion of a forward head snap.

Brad, you are very much right on when it comes to what I believe is designed confusion in the record. It is not just MARY MOORMAN and JEAN HILL, HUDSON and SUMMERS also claimed the first shot they heard was at Z-313, WILLIAM NEWMAN claimed to hear a 'noise' prior to Z-313 then the 'explosion' at Z-313, he is one of the few witnesses that detected the first 'silent' shot. You don't need these witnesses to prove to you what happened, just look at the photographic record, no witness can be seen to react to gunfire until after Z-313. The photographic record is the best indication as to how the assassination occurred, you just have to look at it and see it as if for the first time. These are not the only witnesses, there are 73 witnesses that can be understood to give experiences of the assassination that will follow the 4 shot scenario with first shot being silent and three high powered rifle shots starting at Z-313. Also it would be best to have less or even no regard for all testimony and interviews the longer the time span was from 11/22/1963 as memories fade and were influenced by media and government proclamations. I know the reality of the assassination can be realized by looking at the affidavits from 11/22/1963 and 11/23/1963 correlating with photographic evidence. Euins was a ninth grader in 1963, why believe Euins when 73 witnesses claim otherwise.

Paul, I have not figured out how to quote a post. Anyway it is not a question of Jewish running anything, you have turned this into a racist argument. The discussion was: people with extreme amounts of wealth have the power to control policies. I gave examples of families with extreme wealth: Rothschilds, Rockefellers and Royal family. It does not matter what religion they profess, more likely than not they worship power, so what does it matter if they are Jewish or not? Religion just deviates from the crux of the matter and that is using power for the gain of personal preferences over majority. Your point that there are others that have emerged as banking giants is well taken, that does not mean they are in the same class as those listed.

Paul, I hope you enjoy consuming GMO foods, because of MONSANTO we have no choice in the matter or no say unless we can sort out which foods have little to no GMO included in the mix (estimates are over 70% of the food we now consume are contaminated by GMO). You have any digestion problems, very possible related to consuming GMO's. Because of pharmaceutical industry controlling medicine you will soon have no choice but to see an MD that can only mask your problems with a pill, injection or surgery, (US ranks 37th in health care in the world) alternative medicine is being eliminated as quackery and generally not supported by insurance. Because of Obama Care whether or not you believe vaccines are useful or even harmful you will have no choice but to be brought up to date on injections if you require health care. You want vitamins or herbal supplements, good luck because the pharmaceutical industry considers this as useless because it is un-patentable so it will eventually be denied to us. How do you feel going thru an airport taking off your shoes and going thru an x-ray machine so they can see your body under your cloths, you may want to see what radiation causes. Can you see that the next step screening at sporting events then the malls then randomly at rail stations and on the street corners. Did you get a polio vaccine ? Well you have been infected with a virus called v40 (40th one in vaccine identified) which in the majority of people will eventually cause cancer, the authorities know this, do you? You do know virus cause cancer, or did they not tell you this? Do you know that the vaccines are now grown on aborted fetus material? Fetus material contaminates vaccines with DNA, do you want foreign DNA injected into your blood stream? Can you say auto-immune disorders, how about some mercury in your vaccine, the medical profession says a little mercury (one of the most toxic substances) is good for children. Can you say autism. Do you know that communities like Amish have virtually no incidence of Autism and also no vaccinations, how come we can't find any correlation? Are you aware that vaccines are ineffective that is why there is a high incidence of vaccinated individuals contracting disease any way and that now the recommendation to cover up this fact is regular booster shots. It is a farce, a money pit for medical quackery. Got high blood pressure, taking a pill to correct this, big pharma knows the root problem is lack of Vitamin D, did your doctor inform you to get into the sun >without sunscreen< or prescribe a pill that acts like vitamin D...only long term it is killing you. Vitamin D was not patentable so they created a chemical that can be recognized by the body as Vitamin D, sort of. Do you really believe that AIDS or Ebola is not bio-engineered and introduced via vaccines? Where was Limes Disease when we were growing up, who feared the deer tick? Remember Laitreal or Vitamin B17, it was found to be useful in curing some cancers, it is found in Bitter Almonds, what did the government do, demanded that bitter almonds by pasteurized prior to sale, which destroys B17. They tell us to watch out for the sun and wear sun screen, but since we began to cover ourselves with sun screen we are getting skin cancer. Yet we are too stupid to understand that it is not the sun that is the problem. These actions represent what IS the US government. Trust them if you want, that is your choice, but make it from an informed perspective. From World Health Organization ranking on country health care. 1 France 2 Italy 3 San Marino 4 Andorra 5 Malta 6 Singapore 7 Spain 8 Oman 9 Austria 10 Japan 11 Norway 12 Portugal 13 Monaco 14 Greece 15 Iceland 16 Luxembourg 17 Netherlands 18 United Kingdom 19 Ireland 20 Switzerland 21 Belgium 22 Colombia 23 Sweden 24 Cyprus 25 Germany 26 Saudi Arabia 27 United Arab Emirates 28 Israel 29 Morocco 30 Canada 31 Finland 32 Australia 33 Chile 34 Denmark 35 Dominica 36 Costa Rica 37 United States of America

Paul, WE don't know how much money the Rothschild family has accumulated, nor the Rockefellers or the Royal family. From the net: The Rothschild wealth was estimated at over $6 billion US in 1850 Taking $6 billion and compounding that figure at various returns on investment (a conservative range of 4% to 8%) suggest the following net worth of the Rothschild family $1.9 trillion US (@ 4%) $7.8 trillion US (@ 5%) $31.5 trillion US (@ 6%) $125,189.1 trillion US (@ 7%) $491,409.0 trillion US (@ 8%) Why is it the first thing brought up is anti-Semitic question, isn't this just racist? I am not sure where I noticed figure of 500 trillion, it may have been from article on the Ebola Hoax being perpetrated by the US media. Is it deniable that the Rothschild family has controlled modern Western banking for a long period of time, how much money do you suppose they amassed? You do know they currently control Western banking and are one of the owners of the Federal Reserve System which has NEVER been audited. You don't agree with the 500 trillion, I have no problem with lowering it to $1.9 Trillion.

Also of note NONE of the testimony from witnesses in the VP car and the VP follow-up car can be verified within ALTGENS 6, this is because the activity that is described does not take place until after the shot at Z-313 or the first high powered rifle shot NOT after the first shot that sounded 'firecracker' like, that occurred about Z-190.

I just read an article which included an estimation of the wealth of the Rothschild family to be about 500 trillion dollars, what do you suppose they don't control? The Rockefellers are not in that league and yet we see their pervasive influence in America.

I was recently at a Ted Talk, one talk was on government and how much control 'WE' had on policy, a complex study was done on public opinion versus policy and it was concluded that 'WE' had about 1% influence on policy and the 1% was probably grossly exaggerated. 0.5% of the population funds candidates, and that is not 'US'. WE lost control before 1963 and lost any hope of regaining control on 11/22/1963. The US military / industrial complex should have been disbanded following WWII, we allowed them to continue to dictate policy and gain power. I hope when the rest of the world gets tired of getting pushed around, they do not take it out on all of us. I did not see the post from Douglas Caddy 'Princeton Study: U.S. No Longer An Actual Democracy" <--- this is it

"According to Clint Hill in this interview/lecture for a 2013 book signing event JFK could not have been saved because by the time the agents heard the 1st shot, turned to the right to look back behind them & then returned looking at JFK Hill was already climbing up on the back of the parade car." This is mostly lies from HILL, logic dictates that the first (silent) shot injured JFK and came most likely at Z-190, there was 6.8 seconds before shot number 2 occurred. HILL moves to the limo in response to something other than the sound of gunfire. HILL is moving to the limo when the second shot occurs (first shot from a high powered rifle), the cause of the fatal head wound, this is also when READY turns around to look toward the President and makes a move to go to the limo but is recalled. Something is wrong with a vision of the assassination that does not perceive there is no apparent response to gunfire until after Z-313 by witnesses or agents. Listen to MOORMAN and HILL interviews from 11/22 they both claim the FIRST shot they hear is at the moment of the fatal head wound / MARY taking the Polaroid and that additional shots then followed. These witnesses have been ignored for 50 years, because we were so indoctrinated we could not understand what they were saying! Even now, is there anyone who will analyze MOORMAN and HILL interviews to actually see what they claimed? Probably not, because most can't handle the truth...was that from a movie? Also as I posted in another thread is visual evidence in the form of an animated gif, showing READY, LANDIS, HICKEY and HILL react to the sound of the 'firecracker' like shot by looking toward the grassy knoll not the TSBD and they continue to look toward the knoll until after Z-212 when they are lost from film evidence. The first response was NOT to look behind them, this is just a lie to support the fiction of a shot coming from the TSBD. Supported by ALTGENS 6 which was taken about Z-255 long after shot 1 and even long after the WC?R proposed shot number 2 at Z-220 or Z-230. Not one of the motorcycle police can be seen to turn to look toward the rear, another lie that is debunked by ACTUAL film evidence.

Mr Lifton, have you ever considered the interviews of MARY MOORMAN and JEAN HILL in claiming that the first shot they become aware of is at the moment MARY captured the Polaroid photo at the moment of the head shot? And that additional shots followed the taking of this Polaroid? MOORMAN and HILL in interviews both claimed the limo momentarily slowed. IF you look at the BRONSON Film it is not the limo that comes to a halt it is the queen mary along with the four motorcycle police, this is what brings the motorcade to a momentary halt. Have you considered that there is not any perceivable reaction from witnesses to the sound of rifle fire until after Z-313 in any photographic evidence? Your work on the alteration of wounds was ground breaking and is key to understanding the enormity of the conspiracy. Thank you for the devotion to the truth and for the willingness to share it with us. Bob Mady