Robert Mady

Robert, the shooter for the third shot (Z-325) was somewhere behind ZAPRUDER. Why is ZAPRUDER turned toward the monument and is looking through the portals...?

Interesting that MOORMAN, HILL, BREHM and OLIVER are looking in the direction of ZAPRUDER, not to their left at the fence...? Also of note is the photographer to the left of the light post by NEWMANS, is turned toward ZAPRUDER. Also of note, the NEWMANS are facing toward ZAPRUDER.

Also to the readers please take note CONNALLY and MRS CONNALLY testified that CONNALLY was stunned by being shot, MRS CONNALLY had to pull him down on top of her, at which time she was concerned he might even be dead and claimed to be looking for some perceptible sign of life. The FACT that both CONNALLY and MRS CONNALLY spring from the seat following the shot at Z-313 is not possible based on testimony given, yet here we see them both facing forward, ducking down. One would think the CONNALLYS movements would be suspect for further investigation... Look at the animated gif, what could CONNALLY be doing to wedge his body in front of MRS CONNALLY in this gif, if the movement is not caused by the impact of a bullet?

Robert, CONNALLY can be seen to be impacted by the missile in frame Z-325 through following frames. CONNALLY is in a crouched position facing forward when he is struck.

Larry, on JFK ASSASSINATION FORUM there are over ~600 posts in 14 DTL - threads detailing evidence and conjecture on the Four Shot Scenario Model, the response is the same as on this Forum...the response is basically silence combined with a small number of posts of encouragement from some who are capable of comprehending that we have been deceived. The lack of response and critical review I find disappointing from Forums that have a pretense of being research based peer groups. I no longer believe there are any "researchers" on these two forums that are capable of independent thought, the reason I post is to reach the few people that have not been indoctrinated by books and PBS docudramas. The only way to awaken people to what really happened in Dealey Plaza is to circumvent the zombies of the JFK assassination research community. I apologize in advance for making such blanket statements,

Larry, thanks for the post, I hope you take the time to explore the evidence that has been presented in support of the four shot scenario, I am confident that it is so strong that the scenario becomes self evident and precludes the WC/R theory or Conspiracy theories from being a possibility. I would be happy to answer any questions posed. Thanks again for taking the time to read the thread.

LOOK here is MCINTYRE, this clip contains frames Z-133 to > Z-235 MCINTYRE can not be seen to react to any sound, how is this possible unless you believe he stood down?

Please be aware that evidence has already been posted on this Forum from; MARY MOORMAN JEAN HILL MALCOLM SUMMERS EMMETT HUSDON MRS CABELL MALCOLM KILDUFF JAMES UNDERWOOD RALPH YARBOROURGH SSA TAYLOR SSA KIVITT SSA JOHNS That the FIRST shot they heard was at the moment of the fatal head wound and other shots followed. I have gone through over 70 witnesses on a thread in JFK Assassination Forum analyzing all testimonies from eye witnesses of the assassination and almost all of them can be found to corroborate the four shot scenario. And remember That the first shot the SSA READY, LANDIS HICKEY and HILL heard had to be around Z-190 at which time they all turned toward the grassy knoll, but none of them took further action.

David, the fact that JFK's head is turned toward his right is significant in that it aligns the throat wound with the back wound and the grassy knoll. Because we can not detect an immediate reaction from JFK to a wound that occurs around Z-190 is not definitive proof that this shot did not occur, it is that we are disappointed that JFK does not react in the manner that WE are expecting. JFK may have been stunned by the shot and it took a few seconds to react. I can offer an explanation as to what is happening with CONNNALY when you understand the timing, sequence and number of shots. I ask you to try to comprehend what has been posted on this thread before hoisting preconceived notions on evidence you don't understand. If your focus is to defend currently held beliefs you can learn nothing new.

I expect members of this Forum to be skeptical.. But I expect members to also be fair and open minded...

Larry & Tom Why has everyone missed this four shot assassination scenario model? This theory was introduced with abundant definitive evidence, every aspect of the four shot scenario presented is corroborated in films, photographs and the majority of testimony. Why not FIRST consider the evidence presented and discover if the four shot assassination model is accurate and truthful? How would it be possible to KNOW any other way? Then we can discuss together why this truth took so long to be uncovered. Or Prove the interpretation of the evidence to be incorrect and I will take my delusion and not trouble this forum again.

Larry, thank you for the response and the question. What I believe the evidence that has been posted proves is; four shots were fired during the assassination, not three. First shot made little noise, four SSA did hear this noise but dismissed it as non-threating, a few other witnesses heard this noise, the terminology used by witnesses that actually heard this was 'a noise' or 'firecracker' like. I posted reaction to hearing this noise in that SSA READY, LANDIS, HICKEY and HILL all simultaneously look toward the grassy knoll after Z-190 and continue to peer in that direction until Z-207 or Z-210 when they are lost from frame. So this proves that they did not turn to the rear in response to the first noise. Point being, the vast majority of witnesses were unaware of this shot. Also no one was aware that the President had been injured by this shot, including JACKIE KENNEDY. First shot that was heard by everyone came at Z-313, from a 'high powered rifle', which caused the fatal head wound and two other shots followed in quick succession. Timing of the assassination as conceived by WC/R and all conspiracy theories is absolutely incorrect. Evidence has been posted directly equating testimony with films and photographs showing that the 4 shot scenario is closest to being the truth. Even testimony given in support of the WC/R theory has been grossly misinterpreted, when looking at the details it becomes self-evident that some truths are buried within the testimony and is accessible once it is understood how testimony was crafted to twist the truth. The primary evidence is films and photographs, the secondary evidence is the testimonies, what is of paramount importance is that testimony can and does match what is observed through media. the problem we have had for 50 years is trying to understand why the testimony seemed useless, we excused the lack of continuity as expected, human error, when the reality was our misconception of the assassination combined with the WC's apparent intention to deceive. It is also important to fully understand that films and photographs do not corroborate in any significant manner the WC/R theory or any Conspiracy theory. Before you leap to a conclusion based on 50 years of research I would ask that you read the thread and consider each piece of evidence presented individually, then determine if the combined weight is substantial enough to you, to be conclusive. Four shot scenario model ~Z-190 shot 1 - 'firecracker' like sound - cause throat wound ~Z-313 shot 2 - 'high powered rifle' - cause fatal head wound ~Z-325 shot 3 - 'high powered rifle' - cause wound to CONNALLY ~Z-360 shot 4 - 'high powered rifle' - cause wound to TAGUE Bob Mady

If we were to play a game and move the motorcade up to where we know the VP vehicle to be at the moment of the fatal head shot we could use the model that was built to imitate ALTGENS #6, we would just count the limo to be about were the VP car was and so on...

VP follow-up car is pulled to the left and has stopped near where HARGIS and MARTIN stopped when the first shot from a high powered rifle was fired / fatal head wound. Yellow circle shows open back door on SSA TAYLORS side of follow-up vehicle. WEIGMAN frame, car in front is National Press Pool Car, in front of that is CABELLS vehicle, hard to discern and then the VP follow-up car as indicated with back door wide open. NOTICE the break lights are on in the car in front, the National Press Pool Car?

Can't believe testimony, can't believe that certain testimony can be corroborated by films and by photographs, can't believe that the films and photographs do not corroborate the WC/R theory or corroborate ANY conspiracy theory? Then continue to read the non-sense that the pundits publish and the documentaries on PBS and be happy that the assassination will always remain a mystery to you. There is a great deal more evidence that can be posted, but by the lack of response on this thread, it seems a bit hopeless that anyone really cares to know the truth or is capable of recognizing it. To those that think of themselves as researchers...keep working on it, the truth may dawn on you some day.

YARBOROUGH: When the noise of the shot was heard, the motorcade slowed to what seemed to me a complete stop (though it could have been a near stop). After what I took to be about three seconds, another shot boomed out, and after what I took to be one-half the time between the first and second shots (calculated now, this would have put the third shot about one and one-half seconds after the second shot--by my estimate--to me there seemed to be a long time between the first and second shots, a much shorter time between the second and third shots--these were my impressions that day), a third shot was fired. After the third shot was fired, but only after the third shot was fired, the cavalcade speeded up, gained speed rapidly, and roared away to the Parkland Hospital. The motorcade coming to a halt is congruous with the queen mary and motorcycle escorts coming to a halt as a result of the fatal head wound. This is when JOHNS, KIVITT and TAYLOR react and start to exit from the VP follow-up vehicle.

The yellow arrow shows where the VP traveled before the fatal head wound, the VP vehicle is following the queen mary and can be seen in the BRONSON film at the moment the fatal head wound occurs, at about the tip of the yellow arrow.

ALTGENS #6 is believed to show where the VP car and the VP follow-up car hated at the sound of the first shot, this model even has gone so far as to show SSA JOHNS getting out of the right rear of the follow-up vehicle, the vehicle would have to be traveling 10-15 mph JOHNS would not have been able to maintain his balance getting out of the back of a vehicle at that speed. ANOTHER problem is; this is the location of the motorcade (at Z-255) long after the SECOND shot had supposedly been fired. Again this location is exactly where CABELLS and KILDUFFs claimed their vehicles were during the FIRST shot.

Mr. CABELL - Well, we were just rounding the corner of Market and Elm, making the left turn, when the first shot rang out. It can be interpreted that the location of the vehicle Mr. CABELL was riding in at the moment of hearing the first shot to be corroborative with MRS CABELL, MALCOLM KILDUFF and JAMES UNDERWOOD. This location is incongruous with the WC/R theory or ANY conspiracy theory advanced, although it is compatible with the 4 shot scenario.

Any body capable of presenting a case that this evidence as presented is not correct?

Mr. UNDERWOOD. After we turned onto Houston Street, the car I was in was about, as far as I can remember, about in the middle of the block or a little bit north of the center of the block, which is a short block, when I heard the first shot. Mr. BALL. Between Main and Elm? Mr. UNDERWOOD. Yes; between Main and Elm, closer to the Elm intersection, Elm and Houston intersection, when I heard the first shot fired. UNDERWOOD in camera car #3 was fourth car behind CABELL and third car behind KILDUFF UNDERWOOD'S testimony is corroborative with KILDUFF and CABELL as far as location of motorcade at the moment of the first shot. In case you are not grasping this, here is ALTGENS #6 CABELL is claiming that the vehicle she is riding in is about where the VP vehicle is in ALTGENS #6 at the time of the first shot. KILDUFF is claiming that the vehicle he is riding in is about where the VP follow-up vehicle is located in ALTGENS #6 at the time of the first shot. UNDERWOODS vehicle would still be out of frame. The problem is WC/R is telling us this is frame Z-255, two shots have supposedly already been fired, yet CABELL, KILDUFF and UNDERWOOD claim to not have heard ANY shots at this moment in time.

Mr. HUBERT. In other words, your car was still really on Houston? Mrs. CABELL. No; we were making the turn. Mr. HUBERT. Just on the turn? Mrs. CABELL. Just on the turn, which put us at the top of the hill, you see. Mr. HUBERT. Since you were actually turned toward Representative Roberts on your right? Mrs. CABELL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Actually, you were facing---- Mrs. CABELL. The building. Mr. HUBERT. The Texas Depository Building? Mrs. CABELL. I was actually facing it. MRS CABELL places the vehicle she is riding in about the same location as MALCOLM KILDUFF, along side the TSBD when the FIRST shot is heard. CABELL in effect corroborates KILDUFF in her testimony, what it does not do is corroborate the WC/R theory or any conspiracy theory, it does however corroborate the 4 shot scenario outlined....imagine that! Please note if we were going to calculate where CABELLS vehicle would be IF the WC/R was actually true, the vehicle might be half way up Houston when the first shot occurred, not parallel to TSBD.

YouTube Video "Rare interview with Malcolm Kilduff" 'Just as we turned by the TSBD I was directly under the window of the TSBD when we heard the first noise' This model shows the motorcade at the time ALTGENS took #6 photograph. This should equate to the positions of the cars in the motorcade at the moment Z-255. Please note the car with the doors open near the TSBD is the VP follow-up car, MALCOLM KILDUFF claims that was the location the National Press Pool car when he hears the first shot. The first shot MALCOM KILDUFF hears can not be prior to Z-255 because the car he is riding in has not yet turned the corner.

The VP car can be seen following behind the Presidential follow-up car, the VP follow-up car must be behind the VP car. The motorcade does not stop or slow until around Z-313 when the limo slows and then after Z-313 the Presidential follow-up car momentarily stops along with the motorcycle escorts which can be observed in the NIX film. Now, when did YOUNGBLOOD, KIVITT, JOHNS and TAYLOR react? It would be the same time as READY.