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15 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
Gene and Steve, since you both say that Lee and Marina did stay at Neely for a short period of time, what do you make of that stay?
What was it all about? Or am I wrong. Do you not think they actually stayed there?
But if so, why was Ruth Paine so involved with Neely?
Jim,
Marguerite said that Lee never lived there. Marina was staying there with some German guy.
I have no idea what to make of that.
Hosty told the WC that after learning the Oswalds had left Elsbeth St, he went to Neely and confirmed the Oswalds were living there by reading both their names on the mailbox.
"I believe her name was Mrs. Tobias, that she had just evicted Lee and Marina Oswald from her apartment building because of their alleged fighting and his alleged drinking. They caused a disturbance and she had asked him to leave on March 3, 1963. She told me they had moved a short distance away. She didn't know where. On that same date, I was able to determine from the postal authorities that they had changed their address to 214 Neely Street, also in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas.
On the 14th of March, I verified that Oswalds were residing at this address when I found the mailbox with the name of Lee and Marina Oswald at this address, 214 Neely Street."Steve Thomas
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DHS Authorizes Domestic Surveillance to Protect Statues and Monuments
https://www.lawfareblog.com/dhs-authorizes-domestic-surveillance-protect-statues-and-monuments
“The DHS document offers legal guidance to its analysts regarding what is and is not appropriate collection and reporting with respect to a range of threats, including to monuments and statues, to federal personnel, to federal buildings and facilities, and to federal activities and programs. It is explicitly tied to President Trump’s executive order of June 26, 2020, which declared that, “It is the policy of the United States to prosecute to the fullest extent permitted under Federal law, and as appropriate, any person or any entity that destroys, damages, vandalizes, or desecrates a monument, memorial, or statue within the United States or otherwise vandalizes government property.”
“The new memo, which is undated, is styled as specific implementation guidance with respect to the protests for more general rules regarding DHS intelligence activity. These rules authorize I&A intelligence activities on what are termed “departmental missions” where they assist in combatting domestic terrorism threats; threats to critical infrastructure and key resources; significant threats to the economic security, public health or public safety; major disasters and other catastrophic acts; or “any other threat of such severity and magnitude that effective response would be beyond the capabilities of any affected State and local governments, such that Federal assistance would be necessary.” The rules also contain this catch-all sentence: “In addition, the intelligence activities of I&A personnel further a departmental mission where they support the Secretary, the Deputy Secretary, the DHS Chief of Staff, or their respective staff, Component Heads, or any other departmental officials, offices, or elements in the execution of their lawful missions.” In other words, if the president directs DHS and the rest of the government to protect monuments, then intelligence activity in support of monument protection is arguably furthering the departmental mission.”
“What kinds of collection and surveillance can DHS engage in for intelligence purposes generally? The rules spell out that:
I&A personnel are required to use the least intrusive collection techniques feasible and sufficient when collecting [US person information] or when collecting intelligence or information within the United States. ... I&A personnel are permitted to engage in physical surveillance, the use of mail covers, and the use of monitoring devices only to the extent permitted by and consistent with [rules limiting their use to counterintelligence investigations]. I&A personnel are not permitted to engage in electronic surveillance or unconsented physical searches. Use of these techniques within the United States will be coordinated with the Federal Bureau of Investigation….”
The new memo adds some specific texture to the general rules in the context of the protests. It identifies three “appropriate missions” for I&A activities with respect to protest activity:
1. Threats to damage or destroy any public monument, memorial, or statue (MMS);
2. Threats of violence to law enforcement personnel, facilities, or resources; and
3. Threats to damage, destroy, or impede the functioning of other government facilities.
That's any public monument.
You don't have to be on Federal property. You can be charged as a domestic terrorist for spray painting a city park, or defacing a Confederate statue anywhere within the continental United States.
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16 hours ago, James Norwood said:
For example, researcher Steve Thomas has compiled a fascinating list of 44 instances when LHO was identified as “Harvey Lee Oswald.” It may be that there is a plausible explanation for all 44 examples. But the only way to arrive at that conclusion is to study each example in the original context of its usage.
James,
For me, the most profound example of the use of Harvey Lee Oswald is Item# 9,
MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD: SUBJECT - HARVEY LEE OSWALD
a) This was meant to be preserved. It was "for the record"; and,
b) It tells me that the name Harvey Lee Oswald was not a transposition of names. It was not a mistake, or a typo, or as someone put it to me once, a case of "bureaucratic bungling". It was real. It was genuine. It was a thing.
Here is the Memo:
9. MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD: SUBJECT - HARVEY LEE OSWALD
RIF# 104-10209-10001 (04/05/72) CIA# 80T01357A
HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (microfilm - reel 44: HTLINGUAL, Oswald) Item# 105 page 2.
https://www.maryferrell.org/php/showlist.php?docset=1160
NARA Record Number: 104-10209-10001
The author of this memorandum is unknown. The subject of the memo is Harvey Lee Oswald. This memo is dated April 6, 1972.
1. “The DC/CI (counterintelligence) advised me that the Director had relayed via the DDP (Deputy Director of Plans) the injunction that the Agency was not, under any circumstances, to make inquiries or ask questions of any source or defector about Oswald.”
2. I will arrange to have the questions about Oswald sent to SB/CI for use with the defector Oleg Lyalin returned to me and will advise C/SB/CI of the injunction.”
Document Number 1562-1115-B 201-0289243”
c) I'm pretty sure that SB/CI means Soviet Bureau/Counterintelligence. It appears to me that use of the name Harvey Lee Oswald was to be confined to that Soviet Desk. The memo was dated April 6, 1972, long after the issue of Oswald's correct name should have been settled.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleg_Lyalin
“Oleg Adolfovich Lyalin (Russian: Олег Адольфович Лялин; 24 June 1937[1] – 12 February 1995) was a Soviet agent who defected from the KGB. His defection led to the expulsion of 105 Soviet officials suspected as being Soviet spies from Britain on 25 September 1971.
Lyalin was sent by the KGB to London in the 1960s, posing as an official with the Soviet Trade Delegation. His defection came about after he was arrested in London by policeman Charles Shearer for drunk driving in the early morning of 31 August 1971.”
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1 hour ago, David Josephs said:
Russian Funds Transfer ??
David,
Thank you for this. I looked up RIF# 124-10029-10270. Russian Funds Transfer indeed!
Here's part of Peter Dale Scott's letter to John Newman. Item# 14 on my list:
Letter from Petr Dale Scott to John Newman
http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2017/10/additional-missing-jfk-assassination.html
Dear John,
“In fact, the cover sheet mentioning this file is available from the Mary Ferrell Foundation website. It is NARA RIF 124-10029-10270, FBI serial MX 105-3702-254. It is from “Wesley” [SA Howard D. Wesley], has the title “Information re Allegations re Oswald case,” and (apart from still classified cross-file references) contains only this reference: “105-2137, [corrected manually in ink to “3702”] (Harvy Lee Oswald).” (It makes no reference to “Lee Harvey Oswald.”)3.
3. At the time I did not know who Wesley was. But other FBI “Harvey Lee Oswald” records identify him as SA Howard D. Wesley, then at the FBI Mexican branch office in Monterrey.”
Cover sheet by Wesley p. 2
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=61314&search=124-10029-10270#relPageId=2&tab=page
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Federal Agents ‘Beaten Back’ Into Portland Courthouse by 2,000 Protesters, Including Parent Groups
The size of the crowd in Portland is on another level tonight.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1285433260034662400
Federal officers sent to Portland to “quell” protests have had this efffect
https://twitter.com/i/status/1285432663096975362
What You Need To Know About The Battle of Portland by Robert Evans July 20, 2020
“Virtually all crime, including violent crime, has been lower in the city of Portland during the last several weeks. The Acting Secretary’s statement was filled with a number of other inaccuracies as well. The bulk of the letter is a dated list of all the alleged crimes committed by Portland protesters, who are generally referred to as “violent anarchists”. Under the heading for 07/05/2020:
This is certainly very sneaky. By stating it “appears” to be a pipe bomb the statement avoids addressing the fact that no actual pipe bomb has ever been found and no one has been charged for possession of one. Despite the Acting Secretary Wolf’s claims that these demonstrators are intensely violent, the vast majority of the crimes he attributes to them are simple acts of vandalism:"
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Who Actually Wants Trump to Send in the Feds? Police Unions.
https://www.facebook.com/FOP7Chicago/photos/a.963693107007404/3311469208896437/?type=3&theater
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On 7/18/2020 at 7:00 PM, Jim Hargrove said:
Let's review some of the evidence that, at the very same time one LHO attended Beauregard Junior High School in New Orleans, Louisiana, the other LHO attended Stripling Junior High School in Fort Worth, Texas.
Jim,
With tongue in cheek, I say forget about Stripling Junior High School.
He skipped Jr. High and went straight to High School when he was 6 years old!
(18H) p. 387
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135#relPageId=401&tab=page
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37 minutes ago, Joseph McBride said:
I've always typed into Google, "JFK education forum" to get here.
Now that doesn't take me here. I tried variations and finally
just had to type "education forum" and then go another step
to the JFK section. What gives?
Joseph,
You could just bookmark the jfk assassination Debate page.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/forum/126-jfk-assassination-debate/
I am using Firefox as my default web browser, and to bookmark a page, you click on the little star in the web address line.
It will save you a couple of steps.
Steve Thomas
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9 hours ago, Mark Stevens said:
I have, it was clearly the guy below who (as Hemming would say) dood tha deed...
Mark,
These are terrific! I would like to add them to my collection of Harvey Lee Oswald references.
I especially like the one where the suspect was identified by Captain Will Fritz as Harvey Lee Oswald.
Did Fritz get it wrong, or did the reporter?
Could you tell me where The Bulletin is from and whether these clippings are available online anywhere?
Thanks.
Steve Thomas
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"This is How It Starts"
The Lincoln Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Z-s-afMFc
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23 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Megathanks for this Steve.
When reading your comments about this material in the past, I recall thinking that, in a case like this with trainloads of documents, maybe it is possible that a fellow with what sounded like two first names could have them mistakenly switched a few times in references to him. But reading through all of your examples, it seems hard to deny that something else may well be going on here.
Have you drawn any tentative conclusions about this?
Jim,
Here's a note I wrote to myself a while back:
I have not fleshed this out, but I have read in the past that there was a CIA file under the name Harvey Lee Oswald, and it ties back to the Mexico City incident and Angleton's mole hunt. This Harvey Lee Oswald file may indeed go back as far as Oswald's fake defection to Russia in 1960. As Dulles was the former Director of the CIA, he would more than likely have been aware of it.
The Harvey Lee Oswald name can't be attributed to a simple inversion, or a mistake, or a typo. It appears in too many places. You have it showing up in CIA files, Secret Service Files, Military Intelligence files, Army and Navy files, FBI files, and local law enforcement files. I believe that a dossier on a Harvey Lee Oswald was circulated or shared across many different intelligence agencies. Now when that dossier was started, and by whom and for what purpose, are open questions. It also seems to revolve around a 5'10", 165 lb man, with brown wavy hair
What's the definition again for a small item that is placed in a file that has restricted access, and the planters then look to see where that name or idea turns up?
I think the leak started out small and then got out of hand.
Please understand. My search for Harvey Lee Oswald is a search for a name, a dossier.
It's not the same as your search for a Harvey and Lee impersonation that you have spent so many years working on.
Chuck Schwartz put it this way in the Education Forum on June 2, 2016 in the thread entitled, “Two Dallas cops were involved in the pre-arranged murder of Tippit...”
Quoting from Peter Dale Scott's Deep Politics & the Death of JFK, Chuck posted:
“Federal Bureau of Investigation agents, military intelligence teams from the army, navy, and air force, and other federal agencies with investigators operating from headquarters here…The job of [Revill's] intelligence section in Capt. Gannaway's bureau…requires the closest cooperation with these other governmental agencies gathering intelligence on subversive groups suspected of espionage…With membership in a national police intelligence organization known as LEIU (Law Enforcement Intelligence Units) the local officers are able to get information almost immediately on suspected subversives when they move into Dallas. This information is exchanged by police units as these persons move from city to city…Employees in [industrial] plants are carefully screened by security conscious personnel officers, and in key jobs are given strict government security clearances. Industry is taking great strides to upgrade security practices. One such group in this area is the American Society for Industrial Security.”
“ One can see how easily a false legend for Oswald could have been generated in the shared files of this coordinated security campaign, involving the Dallas SSB, FBI, military intelligence, and the American Society for Industrial Security. Such a centralized file system could be the source for the recurring (and unexplained) inversion of Oswald's name, as Harvey Lee Oswald, in the files of the Dallas police (e.g., 19 WH 438, 24 WH 259), FBI (e.g., 23 WH 207, 23 WH 373), Secret Service (16 WH 721, 748), army intelligence, and navy intelligence.”
I would take it a step further, and posit that it wasn't just a name inversion, but rather was the creation of a whole separate dossier.
Peter Dale Scott told the ARRB in 1994, "“I want to suggest to you that the FBI may have been tracking all of this in a file which I am quite sure has never been seen by the Warren Commission, never been seen by the House Committee, and never certainly by me or by the Archives today. I have found a reference to it in a cover sheet which I am going to leave with you. It is Mexico City File 105-2137, which is then struck out and replaced with a different file number with a different name, Lee Harvey Oswald. I hope you will pursue that original file. I predict that it will lead to some third agency which has been protected in here...”
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14 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:
But I don't think I've read before about Steve thinking Marina might have ordered the rifle, or about her helping set him up.
Ron,
I've run across some things that trouble me. They mainly revolve around six main areas. Remember that both the rifle order and the fake Selective Service card were in the name Hidell:
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Oswald admitted he had the Alek James Hidell Selective Service card, bur either “denied” or “declined to admit” that the signature was his.
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Marina admitted to signing the name “Hidell” to “two or three things” with the name “Hidell” that were not pamphlets.
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Marina said on at least four occasions that they were living on Neely St. in January, and initially, that she had seen Lee cleaning the rifle in January (which she later corrected to mean she saw it for the first time in March).
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The handwriting experts commissioned by the HSCA were not asked to analyze the signature on the Hidell Selective Service card, or to compare the signature on the rifle order form with the signature on the DeMohrenschildt rifle photo.
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The times when Lee Oswald used the Americainized versions of dating as opposed to when Marina used the Cryllic version of dating.
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The troubling instances of evidence in this case in Marina Oswald's possession appearing after they have been seized and searched by the Dallas Police.
I can give you the documentation for each, but my notes on this run to 20 pages or so.
Here's one example though relative to point number 3:
a) On February 17, 1964 Marina was interviewed by FBI Special Agents Anatole Boguslav and Wallace Heitman. In their writeup of that interview done on the 18th, they wrote:
“She said further that in the beginning of January, 1963 at the Neely Street address, he, (Lee Harvey Oswald) was cleaning his rifle and he said he had been practicing that day.”
(page 443 of CD 735).
For whatever reason, this conflicts with the official record as we know it.. Supposedly the Oswalds moved from Elsbeth to Neely on March 3rd and according to the postal money order, the rifle wasn't ordered until March 12th.
CE 1404 - FBI reports dated February 22 and 25, 1964, of interviews with Marina Oswald (CD 735, pp. 446-453).
On February 18, 1964 she was again interviewed by Agents Boguslav and Heitman. She told the FBI that she was mistaken about the date, and that the rifle cleaning incident had taken place in March, 1963. The Agents wrote a Report of this interview on February 22, 1964.
http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=815
(This is on page 446 of CD 735)
b) WC testimony of Marina Oswald February 3, 1964
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/oswald_m1.htm
Mr. RANKIN. Did you ever observe your husband taking the rifle away from the apartment on Neely Street?
Mrs. OSWALD. Now, I think that he probably did sometimes, but I never did see it. You must understand that sometimes I would be in the kitchen and he would be in his room downstairs, and he would say bye-bye, I will be hack soon, and he may have taken it. He probably did. Perhaps he purely waited for an occasion when he could take it away without my seeing it.However, on March 3, 1964 Marina told FBI Agents, Wallace Heitman and Anatoly Boguslav that not only had she seen Oswald take the rifle out of the apartment in March, 1963, but that she had gone with him!
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1139#relPageId=549&tab=page
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Trump Prepping To Dispatch Federal Squads To More Democratic Cities, Warns Mark Meadows
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mark-meadows-trump-democratic-cities_n_5f14c04fc5b6d14c3368cdda
"““You’ll see something rolled out this week, as we start to go in and make sure that the communities — whether it’s Chicago or Portland or Milwaukee or someplace across the heartland — we need to make sure their communities are safe,” he added.”
As justification for their presence, federal authorities have cited a June 26 executive order
by Trump directing them to protect federal monuments and buildings."
"All three cities named are run by Democrats."
Best voter suppression tactic I can think of.
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15 hours ago, James Norwood said:
Steve,
Thanks for your note! If you have taken the time to compile 40 examples of "Harvey Lee" references, that is an important research contribution.
If possible, could you post them in list form on this thread or send them to me in a private message?
Many thanks,
JamesJames, et.al.
Thank you for asking. It forced me to go back and clean up my act a little.
I actually have 44 instances. I'll just provide the citations here. Some of you will find your names mentioned here. I have some of the supporting documents the citations refer to, but as I said, my notes run to more than 40 pages:
Steve Thomas
1. Sheriff Decker's file on the assassination, given to the Warren Commission list the assailant's name as "Harvey Lee Oswald"
(12H51) (CE 5323) Deposition of Sheriff Decker dark brown heavy folder with a label on the outside: Harvey Lee Oswald.
2. WC testimony of Earlene Roberts April 8, 1964. She twice said that the Detectives asked if Harvey Lee Oswald lived there.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/robertse.htm
3. CE 2003 located in (24H259) is the list submitted to Captain Gannaway through Jack Revill of TSBD employees. It is dated November 22, 1963. Heading that list is Harvey Lee Oswald at 605 Elsbeth.
4. WC testimony of FBI Agent, John Lester Quigley, who interviewed Oswald in New Orleans on August 10, 1963.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/quigley.htm
5. Peter Dale Scott
Report in Spanish of November 26, 1963; retyped and transmitted by JKB (George Munro) to Mexico… All the references to Oswald in the Durán interview pages have “Lee Harvey Oswald,” but subsequent pages dealing with her relatives have “Harvey Lee Oswald.”)
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=32291&search=104-10068-10084#relPageId=1&tab=page
6.There have been references on several threads about a cable sent on the evening of 11/22 from Fort Sam Houston to Strike Command, McDill AFB in Florida. In the cable, reference was made, to information obtained by Detective Don Stringfellow of the Dallas Police Department. I managed to locate a copy of the cable, which you can find here:
https://archive.org/details/nsia-ArmyIntelligenceJFK
In the Stringfellow cable referenced above, Harvey Lee Oswald was described as 5'10" tall, 165 lbs, with blue eyes/
7. Oswald is referred to as Harvey Lee Oswald in an FBI report coming out of Mobile, AL on 12/24/63
(23H372) https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1139#relPageId=404&tab=page
8. Oswald is referred to as Harvey Lee Oswald in an FBI report coming out of Sherman Oaks, CA on 11/29/63 (23H207) https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1139#relPageId=239&tab=page
9. MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD: SUBJECT - HARVEY LEE OSWALD
The author of this memorandum is unknown. The subject of the memo is Harvey Lee Oswald. It looks like it dates from 1972.
10. The Soviets rejected the Soviet citizenship application of Harvey Lee Oswald.
11. (16H) 721 CE 270 Secret Service Agent Howard Interview with Marguerite Oswald (CD 87)
12. (16H) 749 CE 270 Secret Service Agent Howard Interview with Robert Lee Oswald (CD 87)
13. Final Report of the Assassinations Records Review Board September 30, 1998
Chapter 6 Part 1: The Quest for Additional Information and Records in Federal Government Offices
p. 83
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=3611&relPageId=106&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22
“The Review Board also sought to determine whether the FBI maintained a file in Mexico City on a “Harvey Lee Oswald” under the file number 105-2137.... Some of the documents in the (Mexico Ciity Legal Attache) Legat's file contain notations for routing records to a file numbered 105-2137, and were captioned “Harvey Lee Oswald”, but it did not find such a file.”
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Peter Dale Scott before the ARRB: October 11, 1994.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=145535&search=105-2137#relPageId=36&tab=page
p. 36.
“I want to suggest to you that the FBI may have been tracking all of this in a file which I am quite sure has never been seen by the Warren Commission, never been seen by the House Committee, and never certainly by me or by the Archives today. I have found a reference to it in a cover sheet which I am going to leave with you. It is Mexico City File 105-2137, which is then struck out and replaced with a different file number with a different name, Lee Harvey Oswald. I hope you will pursue that original file. I predict that it will lead to some third agency which has been protected in here...”
Letter from Petr Dale Scott to John Newman
http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2017/10/additional-missing-jfk-assassination.html
Dear John,
“In fact, the cover sheet mentioning this file is available from the Mary Ferrell Foundation website. It is NARA RIF124-10029-10270, FBI serial MX 105-3702-254. It is from “Wesley” [SA Howard D. Wesley], has the title “Information re Allegations re Oswald case,” and (apart from still classified cross-file references) contains only this reference: “105-2137, [corrected manually in ink to “3702”] (Harvy Lee Oswald).” (It makes no reference to “Lee Harvey Oswald.”)3.
3. At the time I did not know who Wesley was. But other FBI “Harvey Lee Oswald” records identify him as SA Howard D. Wesley, then at the FBI Mexican branch office in Monterrey.”
15. OSWALD CASE-REFERENCE IS MADE TO THE ATTACHED C
COPY OF AN INCOMING STATE DEPARTMENT TELEGRAM DATED 19 DECEMBER 1963, IN CONNECTION WITH THE HARVEY LEE OSWALD CASE
16. DRAFT OF MEMO TO WARREN COMMISSION TRANSMITTING INFO PREVIO
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95799&relPageId=5&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22
page 5
“The CIA Mexico City Station had discovered that the following individuals departing Mexico by air during early November might be identical with Harvey Lee Oswald”
(early November?)
17. Commission Document 498 - SS Rowley Memorandum of 13 Mar 1964 Forwarding Reports
pp. 37-38. The Report is titled, Harvey Lee Oswald.
18. SS Protective Research Report by Kenneth J. Weisman of an interview with Billy Joe Lord, who traveled to Europe with Oswald aboard the SS Marion Lykes. Lord constantly refers to “Harvey Lee Oswald” whom he found to be “unfriendly, standoffish, and that the two of them “didn't hit off”. (p. 38.)
The Report was written by Weisman on February 28, 1964 and approved by a Jose (?)(Benavides?)(sic?) on March 2, 1964.
The name, Harvey Lee Oswald is used seven times in the same document.
19. F.M.Turner from the DPD showed a picture of Harvey Lee Oswald to assassination witness Ronald Fischer.. DPD Archives Box1, Folder# 3, Item# 11
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box1.htm
FBI 62-109060 JFK HQ File, Section 145
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62431&relPageId=155&search=%22Harvey_Lee
20. Memorandum
From: S.F. Latona
To: Mr. Trotter
Date 11/13/67
“A box containing memoranda, work sheets, reports, copies of incoming letters and negatives of finger and palm prints in connection with captioned case and the case entitled “Harvey Lee Oswald”, aka; IS-R-Cuba, “Bufile# 105-82555”, is being filed in a bulky file bin in the ___ Records Division.”
(105-82555 is the FBI Headquarters File)
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Commission Document 320 - Secret Service Rowley Memorandum of 24 Jan 1964
Secret Service Memo from James J. Rowley to J. Lee Rankin dated January 24, 1964.
Subject: Harvey Lee Oswald
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10721&relPageId=1&search="Harvey_Lee Oswald"
“There are forwarded herewith copies of additional reports from the Secret Service files bearing the following Secret Service control numbers:
and lists 29 documents.
Document# 650 in that list is a Protective Research Field Report by Special Agent William H. McClarin, Jr. of an interview with a chauffeur named Bernard Thompson who said he encountered Harvey Lee Oswald on September 27, 1963 in front of the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C. “On December 3, 1963 a photograph of Harvey Lee Oswald was obtained from the Protective Research Section. The following known aliases of Harvey Lee Oswald were also obtained at that time: O.H. Lee, A.J. Hidell, Alek J. Hidell, Alex James Hidell, A. Haidell.”
(The Haidell alias is a new one on me)
22. Letter Letter from G. Robert Blakey, House Select Committee on Assassinations January 5, 1977
LETTER:IN CONNECTION WITH ITS INVESTIGATION/REQUEST FOR FILES ON 37 NAMES
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=3419&search=%22Harvey_Lee+Oswald%22#relPageId=2&tab=page
The person to whom this letter was addresses is whited out.
“...the Select Committee on Assassinations requests that you make available to our staff all files and index references pertaining to individuals listed below:
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Lee Harvey Oswald: Check also under Lee Henry Oswald, Henry Lee Oswald, Harvey Lee Oswald.
23. Letter from G. Robert Blakey, House Select Committee on Assassinations to Mr. Patrick Carpentier, Office of Legislative Counsel, Central Intelligence Agency, January 6, 1978.
https:/www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=50943&relPageId=2&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22
“...the Select Committee on Assassinations requests that you make available to our staff all files and index references pertaining to individuals listed below:
1) Lee Harvey Oswald: Check also under Lee Henry Oswald, Henry Lee Oswald, Harvey Lee Oswald.
24. Letter from G. Robert Blakey, House Select Committee on Assassinations to Mr. Patrick Carpentier, Office of Legislative Counsel, Central Intelligence Agency, March 9, 1978.
180-10141-10107
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=50929&relPageId=3&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22
25. Log Sheets
NARA Record Number: 1993.08.03.18:55:08:960027
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=105798&relPageId=135&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22
26. Status of Request: Ltr. From Blakey dtd 9 Mar 1978 (Kennedy)
“A list of documents in the possession of CIA concerning Lee Harvey Oswald (Lee Henry Oswald, Harvey Lee Oswald) prior to the opening of a 201 file as well as the office in which each of those documents was located prior to opening of file.” This item in the list is marked “No Record” in the Office of the Inspector General
* (This proves that Harvey Lee Oswald was not just a simple matter of inverting the name).
27. Report to Chief Curry by Sgt. Dean on his assignment to the basement of DPD Headquarters on 11/24
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1140#relPageId=105&tab=page
28. During the trial of Clay Shaw, Mr. Shaw was asked why he referred to Lee Harvey Oswald as Harvey Lee Oswald in a press conference he held the day after his arrest. He was asked, “Is there any particular reason you put the name, Harvey first?”
Mr. Shaw said, “No. purely a mistake.”
Clay Shaw Trial Transcript, 27 Feb 1969 (Testimony of Mr. Shaw)
29. MEMORANDUM:HTLINGUAL/ALIASES USED BY OSWALD
Letter and attached memo refer to requests by Bella Abzug and Bernard Fensterwald relating to information and possible intercepted mail to or from Lee Harvey Oswald and any of five other aliases.
Harvey Lee Oswald was one of those names.
30. FBI Report of Nat Pinkston and J. Doyle Williams dated 11/23/63 of interview of William Shelley. On November 22, 1963 Harvey Lee Oswald, an employee of the Texas School Book Depository appeared for work as usual.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95616&relPageId=123&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22
31.
“Oswald, Marine Corps Intelligence and the Assault on the State Department.” by Peter Dale Scott
Fredonia Conference, July, 1996.
As published as Folsom Exhibit No. 1 (19 WH 656-768), this personnel file (Marine Corps) contains only unclassified documents and information. There are no overt references to Marine G-2, and only one passing reference to the existence of confidential intelligence records on Oswald in the Department of the Navy. This reference is in a letter of 29 July 1960, recommending Oswald's discharge from the
Marines. The letter mentions two confidential reports from the Eighth (New Orleans) and Ninth (Chi-
cago) Naval District Intelligence Offices, which it cites as follows:
DIO, 9th ND confidential report serial 02049-E of 8 Jun 60
DIO, 9th ND confidential report serial 02296-E of 27 Jun 60.6.
Years later, replying affirmatively to a request for these DIO reports from researcher Paul Hoch, the
Naval Investigative Service (successor to ONI) supplied two records. These established a fact not
available from the rest of the personnel file: that Marine G-2 (in regional offices as well as at Marine
HQ) received documentary information from this ONI District Office concerning Oswald.7.
In addition at least one of these G-2 records listed Oswald by a slightly different name. This
alternative name, which eventually was used by at least four different military intelligence sources,
was "Harvey Lee Oswald."8
This "Harvey Lee Oswald" reference is no accidental anomaly, but part of an organized pattern, widely dispersed, that suggests an official intelligence deception (and possible dual filing system). Serial 02296-E of 27 Jun 60 is the earliest Harvey Lee Oswald reference we now possess of over two dozen, from the files of ONI, FBI, CIA, Army Intelligence, the Secret Service, the Mexican Secret Police (DFS), and the Dallas Police.9
A consistent pattern of behavior in these agencies since the assassination has been the tendency to suppress references to "Harvey Lee Oswald," and replace them by the more standard "Lee Harvey Oswald."10
6. Letter of 20 July 1960 to Commander, Marine Air Reserve Training, 19 Will 703.
7 .In this paper I am deeply indebted to the archival research and analysis of Paul Hoch, as well as to additional research by Larry Haapanen and Mark Allen.
8. The four sources using "Harvey Lee Oswald" are: DIO, 9th Naval District, DIO, 8th Naval District, ONI (NAVCINTSUPPCEN.3) and Army 112th Military Intelligence Group (see Peter Dale Scott,
Deep Politics Two. 144). In response to the request for serial 02049-E. the NIS supplied a record with a serial that was contiguous but slightly different: "DIO. 9th ND confidential report serial 02048-E of 8 Jun 60." The second document, accurately supplied, carried a title different from the first: "Subj: OSWALD, Harvey Lee." We are left to wonder whether serial 02049-E of 8 Jun 60 concerned Harvey
Lee Oswald as well.
9 . For a discussion and incomplete list, see Peter Dale Scott, Deep Politics Two, 80, 85-89, 118-19, 142-49.
10. Ibid.. especially pp. 118-19.
32. A letter from Anatoly Dobrynin to the U.S. State Department concerning Harvey Lee Oswald's request for Soviet citizenship is dated December 11, 1963.
LETTER FORWARDING DOCUMENTS TO CIA WHICH WERE AGREED UPON AT CONFERENCE HELD MARCH 12TH
In this letter, it says that Harvey Lee Oswald's request for USSR Citizenship was denied. It doesn't say when he applied for that citizenship, but
33. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=7986&relPageId=111&search=Dobrynin_December%2011,%201963
p. 111.
In this letter, it says that Harvey Lee Oswald's request for USSR Citizenship was denied. It doesn't say when he applied for that citizenship, but the character reference memo from the Minsk Radio factory in CE 985, p. 433 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135&relPageId=447&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22 is dated December 11, 1961 and refers to “Citizen” Harvey Lee Oswald, who was hired as a regulator at the Minsk Radio Plant on January 13, 1960.
34. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10418-10332.pdf
CIA cable dated November 27, 1963 replying to Directive# 85133 (traces of Harvey Lee Oswald), It says, “Dissemination applicable to RYBAT GPFLOOR Cables”. Cable says, “No station or liaison traces Oswald. Checked all available sources including landing card and hotel registers without result.”
35. Transcript of ARRB Interview of Donald Monier conducted August 12, 1996 by Dave Montague and Christopher Barger
http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/ARRB/CBARGER/WP-DOCS/MONIER.WPD.pdf
(see p. 6)
Monier:I was with the 112th CIC Group in Dallas-- “I can remember doing some things relative to that, but none of that had to do with Harvey Os-- Lee Harvey Oswald.”
36. From Karl Hilliard in the Education Forum 09/09/2019
I had run across this document which had made it's way into the archives...
Notice that the letter was addressed to 'Esteemed citizen Harvey Oswald'
That the letter addresses Harvey and not Lee just might be a fluke.
https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0129b.htm
Karl wrote, “Notice that the letter was addressed to 'Esteemed citizen Harvey Oswald'.
37. Parent’s Dependency Affidavit from July 31, 1959
From Jim Hargrove in the Education Forum 08/18/19”
“Steve,
There is a U.S. Harvey Lee Oswald reference dating back to 1959. It is on the Dependency Affidavit the Russian-speaking Oswald submitted at MACS-9 in Santa Ana, CA. Near the top of the form is “OSWALD, Lee Harvey,” but at bottom left is “Oswald, Harvey Lee.” It may be just an error, of course, but the two names are clearly typed on two different devices.”
38. Posted by Jim Hargrove in the Education Forum 04/12/19
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24392-harvey-lee-oswald/page/4/
“Donald P. Norton, the CIA agent who received $150,000 from David Ferrie in
1958 and delivered the cash to Havana, was given another assignment involving Cuba
in the fall of 1962. On this occasion he was given a case full of money and told to travel
to Monterrey, Mexico and meet "Harvey Lee.”39. Posted by David Boylan in the Education Forum 04/12/19
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24392-harvey-lee-oswald/page/4/
ARRB-CIA ISSUES: OSWALD DEBRIEFING ISSUE (NEWMAN REQUEST)
home/archive/documents/jfk assassination documents/documents released in 2017 and 2018/documents released on november 9, 2017/cia documents released on november 9, 2017/
NARA Record Number:104-10332-10018
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=189698&relPageId=8&search=AEOCEAN “...we showed operational interest in the Harvey story.”
40. Posted by Jim Hargrove in the Education Forum 09/12/19
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25901-two-oswalds-in-the-texas-theater/page/23/#comments
FROM: SAC (New York)
TO: Director FBIEnclosed for each recipient is one copy of a self-explanatory Army communication dated 12.30.63 captioned Harvey Oswald.
Enclosed Army communication alleges that Oswald was in Cuba in the company of Robert Taber, former head of Fair Play for Cuba Committee (FPCC), approximately three weeks after the April 1961, Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba.
Jim is probably referencing this document:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62297&search=luaces#relPageId=89&tab=page
41. Cox, Dwayne. “Roomers Shed New Light on “Oswald’s Activities”. Lubbuck Avalanche-Journal, July 7, 1977.
https://servimg.com/view/17602890/1349#
https://servimg.com/view/17602890/1347
Posted in the Education Forum by Ed LeDoux 01/18/2020
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/26290-the-beckley-bunch/page/2/#comments
“Adams told the AJ (Avalanche Journal) that Oswald, the man he was introduced to as Harvey Lee:,,,”
42. Naval Criminal Investigative Service Administration
page 2
OSWALD, Lee H Reported sighting of Oswald in Cuba in 1961 dtd Nov 30,1963
Tabot introduced his companion as Lieutenant Harvey Oswald
43. From David Joseph in The Education Forum 05/18/2018
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24392-harvey-lee-oswald/page/3/
Got another for you Steve...
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10418-10332.pdf
“Requested traces Harvey Lee Oswald”
44. From James Norwood in the Education Forum 07/18/2020
“This is a separate document from the official Marine enlistment certificate published in the Hearings and Exhibits of the Warren Report. Below is a scan of the original document, which I do not believe has been published anywhere prior to this date:”
“You will notice on the line of the entry of the recruit's name that it was first typed as HARVEY LEE, then typed over as LEE HARVEY."
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From the Associated Press:
https://apnews.com/aa07c0a980b3353b15f94442eb8191a5
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump is refusing to publicly commit to accepting the results of the upcoming White House election, recalling a similar threat he made weeks before the 2016 vote, as he scoffs at polls showing him lagging behind Democrat Joe Biden. Trump says it’s too early to make such an ironclad guarantee.
“I have to see. Look ... I have to see,” Trump told moderator Chris Wallace during a wide-ranging interview on ”Fox News Sunday.” “No, I’m not going to just say yes. I’m not going to say no, and I didn’t last time either.” The Biden campaign responded: “The American people will decide this election. And the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House.”
Steve Thomas
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1 minute ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Steve,
I'd also like to see your latest compilation of the "Harvey Lee Oswald" list. Would you be kind enough to post it here?
James and Jim,
I'll see if I can simply itemize them. It will take me a little while. The supporting documentation runs to about 43 pages now.
For James: A bunch of the citations appear in this Thread title:
Harvey Lee Oswald
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24392-harvey-lee-oswald/?tab=comments#comment-364061
Steve Thomas
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5 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
The new docs will soon be on the Marines page of HarveyandLee.net, and John A. has pointed out that in answer to “52 (a) ARE YOUR PARENTS LIVING?” the answer selected was “NO.” (Isn’t this the same thing Lee HARVEY Oswald told the Soviets in a written statement made in the USSR?
Jim,
And isn't it interesting that in several documents in the U.S.S.R three years later,, he gives his mother's name as Margaret instead of Marguerite?
On January 4, 1960, Lee Harvey Oswald applied for a non-citizen alien identity card. In the space for the names of relatives living abroad, he listed his mother, Margaret living at 3124 W. 5th. St. in Fort Worth. No brother is listed. Four photographs are provided.
(page 411)
Steve Thomas
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16 hours ago, James Norwood said:
"Application for Enlistment and Individual Data Card" signed by Lee Harvey Oswald on October 24, 1956.
You will notice on the line of the entry of the recruit's name that it was first typed as HARVEY LEE, then typed over as LEE HARVEY.
James,
Thank you for this. I have added it to my list of Harvey Lee Oswald references.
I am up to 40 such instances now.
Steve Thomas.
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19 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:
It's been like a constant anger and hate filled American against American nightmare since January 20, 2017.
Joe,
I read an interesting article this morning that said that Trump is the culmination of a political movement that started with the overwhelming victory of Ronald Reagan over Walter Mondale in 1980. For forty years we have been living with the "smashmouth politics", take-no-prisoners, hyper-partisanship that the Tea Party movement brought with it and brought us figures like Tucker Carlson, Rush Limbaugh, Jerry Falwell, Stephen Miller and Dick Cheney, etc.
The article said that the American people are getting tired of it.
Steve Thomas
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3 hours ago, Chuck Schwartz said:
One thing is for sure, though... Once Federal "police" (aka, the Gestapo or the KGB) take over, Democracy is dead as a door-nail."
I just hope we don't wind up with Argentina's Disappeared.
The federal agencies were denying they were arresting anyone.
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, John Butler said:
Steve,
He was driving a DPD vehicle.
Sorry, I can't upload the file. This is a place where you can see the .pdf and download it.
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/M Disk/Motorcade Route/Item 15.pdf
john,
Thanks.
It would be interesting, I think, to learn if the DPD used fleet vehicles, and to learn what make of car they were.
I noticed in Batchelor's report cited above that all the press cars were issued Chevrolets.
I wonder what kind of cars the DPD used. Can you tell from pictures what kind of car Tippit was driving.
I'm wondering if they used Fords, and if there was a connection to the Lincoln Ford dealership that seemed to factor in to so much of the surrounding events.
Steve Thomas
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Report from Charles Batchelor to Chief J. E. Curry, November 30, 1963] Page: 21 of 70
Report entry from November 21, 1963
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338584/m1/21/?q=Lumpkin
Purdue Lawrence testimony to the WC:
I had been told was going to be ahead of this motorcade. I got in my car... I was in uniform, but I was driving a plain car which I drive,… I could hear Chief Curry on channel 2,... . Although I was not given this assignment--I proceeded on this route, and I followed it on down to the Trade Mart.
I don't know of Lawrence was driving his own car, or a car he was given by the DPD, but it was a plain one..
He said he could hear Curry on Channel 2, but I don't see a whip antenna. Could he hear Curry on some kind of transistor radio tuned to the proper frequency?
Steve Thomas
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Marco Rubio buried after botching tribute to John Lewis with a picture of the wrong Black lawmaker
Trump was busy golfing and selling beans.
Steve Thomas
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NPR's Sarah McCammon talks with acting Homeland Security Deputy Secretary Ken Cuccinelli about reports of federal officers using unmarked vehicles to detain protesters in Portland, Ore.
CUCCINELLI: Well, we are - we welcome - the more investigations, the better. With as much lawbreaking is going on, we're seeking to prosecute as many people as are breaking the law as it relates to federal jurisdiction. That's not always happening with respect to local jurisdiction and local offenses. But, you know, this is a posture we intend to continue not just in Portland but in any of the facilities that we're responsible for around the country.
Steve Thomas
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Jim,
I have a suspicion that Marina never went back to Elsbeth.
George DeMohrenschildt and George Bouhe had convinced Marina to leave Lee. They packed up all her stuff and moved her. She had so much "stuff" that George DeM said that his car was dragging on the ground. He estimated that she had at least 100 dresses that the women in the White Russian Community had collected for her.
When Gary Taylor moved them from Fort Worth to Elsbeth, he had to rent a U-Haul trailer to move it all.
And yet, Mrs. Tobias said that when they move from Elsbeth to Neely, they packed up their belongings in a baby stroller and walked over.
My question has always been, "What happened to all their "stuff"? (I feel like George Carlin here). What happened to the hundred dresses?
If, as Marguerite says, Marina was staying at Neely with a German guy, my bet would be on Alexander Kleinlerer. (He was hitting on her when she was staying at the Hall's).
Steve Thomas