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On 6/12/2020 at 12:06 PM, Steve Thomas said:
I've been mulling something over, so I'll just throw it out there.
I'll say up front that I don't have anything to back this up, so if if you jump all over me, you'll probably win; but...
What if Oswald's defection was a Russian operation, and not an American one?
That would explain his knowledge of and ease in entering the Soviet Union by way of Finland, and how he he knew that the only way to get back to Russia in 1963 was by way of Cuba. It would also explain the Soviet's willingness to allow him to return to the U.S. with a new Soviet wife.
This idea is not as far fetched as I originally thought.
The HSCA undertook a study of defectors and published their results in Volume XII beginning on page 435.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=84#relPageId=439&tab=page
Of the dozen or so defection cases they reviewed, at least two involved American servicemen. They had this to say:
HSCA vol. XII p. 442
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=84#relPageId=446&tab=page
Page 442
Page 448
513th Military Intelligence Group?
Blackmailed by whom?
An Eric Scheinkopf did an analysis of the HSCA;s Defector Study and as far as the Soviets utilizing the defectors for propaganda purposes,:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=205090&search=defectors#relPageId=7&tab=page
Page 7
A likely scenario for me is that Oswald was approached by the Russians while he was in Japan.
He informed his superiors about this approach, and ONI decided to play along and allow the Russians to think they had succeeded.
Was Oswald sent to Language School after his return from Japan?
And was his language proficiency test administered after his return from Japan?
Was he being prepped?
Steve Thomas
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15 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:
I committed a typo above - on Oct 59 (not Oct 61) LHO applied for citizenship to the "Surprem Soviet (urgent)" (gotta love it!)
"I do not have enough money to live here indefintly, or to return to any other country." Spelling aside, not exactly the way to convince the Supreme Soviet that you should win your case. It is a good way to make sure you lose your case.
Bill.
I was struck by the phraseology here. He uses it twice in that letter:
"Return to any other country"? He doesn't say he didn't want to return to the United States. He says he doesn't want to return to any other country.
How many countries was he talking about here?
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35 minutes ago, Bill Simpich said:
Steve - Where does Lee Harvey Oswald deny that he ever applied for Soviet citizenship? That seems like a big deal.
I think most of us know that LHO filed a request for citizenship to the Supreme Soviet in Oct 61. Can anyone tell me if it was ever formally granted or denied? I don't think they ever ruled on it - Webster had his citizenship request to the Supreme Soviet granted within two months.
Bill,
Taking your second question first:
That's one of my biggest suspicions. Of all the documents Dobrynin provided to the Americans in 1964, what was not included was Oswald's application for Soviet citizenship, nor any written reasons from the Soviets to Oswald on why it was denied.
As far as your first question, Oswald met with the American Embassy officials in Moscow on July 8, 1961 asking them what the holdup was in getting a visa to return to America.
Current Section: CE 977 - Foreign Service dispatch from the American Embassy in Moscow to the Department of State, dated July 11, 1961.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135#relPageId=392&tab=page
p. 378
“He exhibited Soviet internal “stateless” passport... No. 311479 issued by the Moscow City Government on January 14, 1960, which is prima facie evidence that he is regarded by the Soviet authorities as not possessing Soviet citizenship.”
“Oswald stated that despite the wording of the statement which he handed to the Embassy on October 31, 1959 (Embassy dispatch 234, November 2, 1959), he never in fact actually applied for Soviet citizenship.”
Current Section: CE 950 - Report of the Department of State on Lee Harvey Oswald, submitted to the Commission in January 1964.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135#relPageId=307&tab=page
p. 293
“In 1961, he showed a United States consular officer a document issued by the Moscow City Government on January 14, 1960 which indicated that he never was declared a Soviet citizen.”*
See also letter from Walter J. Stoessel, Jr. of the Embassy in Moscow to the Director's Office of Soviet Affairs of the United States Department of State.
He talks of meeting Kudryavtsev of the American Section of the MFA in the airport, who told him that, “Oswald had applied for Soviet citizenship but that ,after considering the application, the Soviet authorities had decided not to approve this application since Oswald seemed to be so unstable.”
“I found this reference to the Soviet handling of his application for citizenship of interest, since I have not found any record of this aspect in our files.”
Oswald's “Historic Diary":
Warren Commission Exhibit 24 Vol 16, Pg 94-105
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/historicdiary.htm
Jan 4. (1961) One year after I received the residence document I am called in to the passport office and asked if I want citizenship (Russian). I say no simply extend my residential passport to agree and my document is extended until Jan 4, 1962.
Steve Thomas
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I've been mulling something over, so I'll just throw it out there.
I'll say up front that I don't have anything to back this up, so if if you jump all over me, you'll probably win; but...
What if Oswald's defection was a Russian operation, and not an American one?
That would explain his knowledge of and ease in entering the Soviet Union by way of Finland, and how he he knew that the only way to get back to Russia in 1963 was by way of Cuba. It would also explain the Soviet's willingness to allow him to return to the U.S. with a new Soviet wife.
Somehow, I just can't reconcile the smiling, happy person in the pictures below being the surly, uncommunicative, anti-social person encountered by Billy Joe Lord, and Oswald's foreman in the Minsk factory. Something just doesn't feel right.
Steve Thomas
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20 minutes ago, Bill Simpich said:
The purpose of this thread is for an exploration between me and James Norwood on the role of Oswald in the USSR, with others welcome to join in
Bill or anyone else for that matter,
Did Oswald receive any press from Russian sources on his defection? Was he in the papers or anything?
If he wasn't, that seems kind of odd to me.
Did they never believe that he was a genuine defector, and so, kept it quiet?
What would be their reasons for keeping it quiet?
Steve Thomas
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Which Oswald went to Russia in 1959?
Other than the Bolton Ford incident in 1961, is there any evidence, or any sightings of an Oswald (any Oswald) in the United States between the years 1959 and 1962?
This goes back a question I asked in another thread:
Whose application for Soviet citizenship was denied?
According to the Soviet Government, the citizenship application for Harvey Lee Oswald was denied.
p. 111.
In that letter, Dobrynin lays out why the Soviet Government rejected the citizenship application of Harvey Lee Oswald.
The character reference memo which accompanied this denial dated 12/11/61 presents Harvey Lee Oswald as surly, anti-social, and performing unsatisfactory, careless work:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135&relPageId=447&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22
Plant Director: D. Yudelevich
Personnel Department Chief: M. Tishkevich
This sounds an awful lot like the man Billy Joe Lord described as accompanying him on the S.S. Marion Lykes in 1959.
He described the Oswald he traveled with for two weeks as "unfriendly, standoffish, and the two of them didn't hit it off".
Lee Harvey Oswald on the other hand, denied that he ever applied for Soviet citizenship.
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1 hour ago, Cliff Varnell said:
Let’s see now... Trump is re-opening his campaign in Tulsa (location of the bloodiest slaughter of black people in our history) on June 19,
Cliff,
Reading a speech on race relations written by Stephen Miller while dozens and dozens of people in the audience are waving Confederate flags like they do at all his rallies.
Who in the world is giving this guy political advice?
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On 6/11/2020 at 1:00 PM, Larry Hancock said:
I'm glad I was only a Noncom....otherwise you guys would be asking where I was....
Larry,
Naw, you're too young to have been involved.
Though they did need a spotter that day.
You got an alibi?
Steve Thomas
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20 minutes ago, Chuck Schwartz said:
Very good post, Robert. And this came from Bill Kelly's JFKCountercoup site:Colonel Robert G. Story – Dallas attorney
From Maj. Ralph Ganis – The Skorzeny Papers (2018, Skyhorse)Director of the Documentation Division and Executive Trail Counsel in Nuremberg (p. 81)– “The senior officer at the heart of all document handling for the Nuremberg Trials was a USAF Intelligence officer and OSS veteran, Colonel Robert G. Storey, who hailed from Dallas, Texas. Colonel Storey was also one of the very few officer in the entire U.S. military privy to ULTRA. Years later, Storey would play a very prominent role as an independent attorney working with the Warren Commission after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy… (p. 30)“Storey had served with General Charles Cabell during the war,…In Dallas, Col. Storey was president of the Republic National Bank and head of the American Bar Association,…Director of the State Bar of Texas and Chairman of the Board of the Southwest Legal Foundation. From 1949-1959, Storey served as the Dean of the Southern Methodist University School of Law….” (p. 181)– Storey “special counsel to the attorney general of Texas,…liaison to the Warren Commission. Colonel Storey was present in the Dallas jail cell when Chief Justice Earl Warren met with Jack Ruby….”“Colonel Storey served on a number of boards and committees with……Algur H. Meadows and Judge Gordon Simpson, Skorzeny’s principal Dallas oil business associates. One of Colonel Storey’s intimate friends was Leonidas (Leon) Jaworski,..... (p. 314-315)Chuck,
Those Colonels just keep popping up, don't they?
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You can't make this stuff up.
It has been reported that Donald Trump will soon give a speech on race and equality in America.
White Nationalist, Stephen Miller is said to be the one who is drafting the speech.
What could go wrong?
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Donald J. Trump tweeted out,
"The protesters, agitators, anarchists (ANTIFA), and others, were handled VERY easily by the Guard, D.C. Police, & S.S. GREAT JOB!"
Now, I'm sure he was referring to the Secret Service, but it gave me the willies nevertheless.
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3 minutes ago, Ron Ecker said:
You want a twist, how about this? Floyd infected Derek Chauvin. Chauvin is tranferred from jail to a hospital and is put on a ventilator. Chauvin dies saying, "I can't breathe."
Ron,
I would like to respond, but I just spit coffee all over my keyboard.
Steve Thomas
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55 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Steve,
Your comment surprises me. As you’ll probably agree, the photo above left is of LHO and Marina probably taken in Nov. 1962 in a photo booth at a Dallas bus station. The photo above right seems to show LHO seven years earlier in a Civil Air Patrol meeting in New Orleans. David Ferrie is in the same image.
Of course, conventional wisdom is that these photos show the same young man taken seven or so years apart. Just to be certain, are you saying that you believe they are two different persons?
John A, John B and others (including me) believe that the image with Marina shows the Russian-speaking "Lee Harvey Oswald" killed by Jack Ruby. We think the CAP photo shows the American youth born as Lee Harvey Oswald.
Do you agree with that last paragraph above, or do you have a different interpretation?
Jim,
I haven't studied the Harvey and Lee theory enough to make an intelligent decision yet, but yes, I believe these are photographs of two different people.
Back when I was in college, I took an anthropology course and spent some time looking at different skull structures. In the various photos taken of LHO, I've tried to look beyond the facial features and tried to analyze the skull structure underneath.
I'm also trying to correlate the surly, uncommunicative, anti-social Oswald with the pointy-chin guy, and the gregarious, outgoing Oswald with the broader-chinned guy.
I wish Billy Joe Lord had been asked to describe the Oswald he took a trip with on the S.S. Marion Lykes.
I get mixed up. Is the pointy-chin and narrow nose guy Harvey, or is it vice versa?
Steve Thomas
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Kirk,
You said, "You know I was thinking. Here were are having all these problems, with all this civil strife---and we have all these guns bombs and soldiers overseas, maybe we should declare peace abroad, and let's bring it all back home where it's needed."
Do you find it coincidental that Trump just said that he wants to reduce the American military presence in Germany by a third?
I wonder what he plans on doing with all those guys just laying around?
Or is that too conspiratorial?
Steve Thomas
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7 hours ago, John Butler said:
One of the reasons I think this is an unknown is that Harvey Oswald's identification features are different from this individual.
John,
It's uncanny how much alike these two individuals looked. It's no wonder so many people got them mixed up. I saw a couple of things though:
the shape of the nose, the shape of the chin, the bony (or supra orbital) ridge above his left eye socket.
I think I know where that square chin in the backyard photos came from.
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, Kirk Gallaway said:
i think these ex generals weighing in may be also be a deterrent to any confidence he may have. If the election results were to become real tight, and he lost. He could be under some simplistic illusion, to think that he'd have the military behind his back.
Kirk,
I told someone a while back that this will come down to a civil war within the military.
Some will follow him because he is the Commander-In-Chief.
Some will refuse what they perceive to be unlawful orders.
The ex-generals and ex-admirals coming out now is to give cover to those in active service who will be among the ones who will refuse to follow Trump.
It will be Venezuela here in the U.S.
Steve Thomas
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46 minutes ago, Ron Ecker said:
Foremost in my mind right now about the administration previous to Trump's is that there was a peaceful and Constitutional transition of power in January 2017. I just hope to see another one.
Ron,
I don't think you will.
Here is my take at the moment.
Trump will declare the election to be invalid due to massive voter fraud and will barricade himself inside his newly established fortress and refuse to leave.
The issue will go to the Supreme Court. The Court will dither until January 20th and a Contingent Election will be held.
A Contingent Election is provided for in the XXth and XIIth Amendments to the Constitution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twentieth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
"The Twentieth Amendment (Amendment XX) to the United States Constitution moved the beginning and ending of the terms of the president and vice president from March 4 to January 20, and of members of Congress from March 4 to January 3. It also has provisions that determine what is to be done when there is no president-elect. The Twentieth Amendment was adopted on January 23, 1933.[1]
The amendment was designed largely to limit the "lame duck" period, the period served by Congress and the president after an election but before the end of the terms of those who were not re-elected. Because under the amendment Congressional terms begin before presidential terms, it is now the incoming Congress, rather than the outgoing one, that would hold a contingent election in the event that no candidate wins a majority of the electoral vote in a presidential election. The amendment also establishes procedures in the case that a president-elect dies, is not chosen, or otherwise fails to qualify prior to the start of a new presidential term.
Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contingent_election
In the United States, a contingent election is the procedure used in presidential elections in the case where no candidate wins an absolute majority of votes in the Electoral College, the constitutional mechanism for electing the president and the vice president of the United States. A contingent election for the president is decided by a vote of the United States House of Representatives, and the contingent election for the vice president is decided by a vote of the United States Senate. The contingent election procedure, along with the other parts of the presidential election process, was first established in Article Two, Section 1, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution, and then modified by the 12th Amendment in 1804.
Contingent elections are extremely rare, having occurred only three times in American history, all in the early 19th century."
It's going to be a mess.
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Do you believe this event tells us that Ruby was mob-affiliated?
Jim,
You might be interested in Richard C. Lindberg's & John William Tuohy's take on Jack Ruby's past.
http://www.richardlindberg.net/articles/chicago_mob.html
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Historians are now saying that Donald Trumps Bible-toting photo op last Monday is the moment that marked the beginning of the end of his Presidency.
That Bible was provided to him by his daughter, Ivanka.
Ivanka Trump carried the Bible Donald Trump posed with in her $1,540 Max Mara handbag in infamous photo-op 'masterminded by Hope Hicks'
She was asked to carry it simply because she had her hand bag with her for the walk, DailyMail.com learned.
President Trump is facing an on-slot of criticism for posing in front of the boarded-up 104-year-old Episcopal Church in Lafayette Square, across the street from the White House, in a photo-op orchestrated by Trump adviser Hope Hicks.
Hicks has been identified as having helped hatch the plan for the staged event that saw police and National Guard forces facilitate by using tear gas and rubber bullets to clear away peaceful protesters.
When Donald Trump is finally pried from the fortified White House grounds seven months from now after suffering the worst election landslide defeat in American history, I wonder what he will think of his good old daughter, Ivanka then.
Steve Thomas
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2 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Steve Thomas,
You always present these original source documents so beautifully! Still, all of your material appears to come through the WC and the HSCA. It does reference a few sources that pre-date the assassination, but nothing in them that I read gives real evidence that Jack Ruby/Jacob Rubenstein associated with organized crime, including the pipe business.
I would think this stuff would be easy to find in the public record prior to 11/22/63, but it doesn’t appear to be so. Have you found anything more conclusive?
Jim,
Footnote 1505 in Paragraph 1145 of the HSCA material refers to a 1947 Federal Bureau of narcotics interview of Jack Ruby and an Affidavit taken of Hyman Ruby.
The 1947 Bureau of Narcotics interview of Jack Ruby and Affidavit of Hyman Ruby is CE 1708 pp. 203-204.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1139#relPageId=235&tab=page
That aside, if you want to look at organized crime, you might want to explore the 1939 murder of Leon Cooke of the Chicago Waste Handler's Union and Ruby's association with Paul Dorfman. Ruby was a suspect in that case.
I was just interested in the iron pipe business.
Steve Thomas
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2 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Again, can anyone show me evidence on the public record prior to 11/22/1963 indicating Jack Ruby associated with organized crime figures?
Jim,
I don't know about crime "figures", but I was interested in the 1947 iron pipe/heroin smuggling case for a while.
HSCA vol. 9 pp. 522-523
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=955#relPageId=531&tab=page
HSCA vol. 9, page 1154
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=955#relPageId=1162&tab=page
HSCA vol. 9, page 522
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=955#relPageId=530&tab=page
WC testimony of Eva Grant
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/grant_e1.htm
“Mrs. GRANT. I don't think he ever saw him as far as I know, but I want to tell you that Roland Jones went to Chicago during the period of those 6 months and he did meet my brother Hyman. I don't know what conversation my brother had--my brother thought he was a nice guy--we didn't know anything about his background.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know what happened to him?
Mrs. GRANT. Oh, yes; he went to jail for something about narcotics from Turkey or something like that.”
WC testimony of Eva Grant
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/grant_e1.htm
Mrs. GRANT. We were buying metals, at least we were trying to buy metals and materials to sell to--in fact, gas companies--one is--I have the files, believe me, and I think it's at Jonesboro--is it in Arkansas or Oklahoma? Well, we got the specifications and Paul Roland Jones brought me a piece of metal, maybe 6 inches long--it's a certain type of pipe, rather, he brought me, and this man didn't want it, so I sent it on to Chicago to my brother.
Mr. HUBERT. Which brother?
Mrs. GRANT. It seems to me I sent it to my older brother, Hyman, and he says he knew somebody that might be able to use the amount of footage we had at this place, and we were going to make what you call a finder's fee or broker's fee, but little did we know of Paul Roland Jones' connection, because I'm going to tell you. This man told me several things-- "I'm not fit to be in the night club business, I'm not the caliber of a person."
Mr. HUBERT. Who was that--Jones told you that?
Mrs. GRANT. Yes; and he seemed to be a very nice fellow and he used my phone for a long distance call to Ardmore, Okla., and I know he paid me $2 or $3 in change when he did it, and I didn't know a thing about this.
Mr. HUBERT. About what, ma'am?
Mrs. GRANT. Well, wait a minute, I pick up the headlines and they got Paul Roland Jones in jail somewhere in Fort Worth. I no sooner picked this up--this paper, the paper of this city, my brother is calling me from Chicago that the FBI or some organization, one of your organizations went to the Congress Hotel where Jack was staying and they are questioning him about whether--about what he knew about Paul Roland Jones. I don't think Jack ever heard me mention the name.449
Mr. HUBERT. How long had you known Paul Roland Jones when this occurred?
Mrs. GRANT. Not too many months--if it was 6 months or 8 months--it was the longest.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you done any business with him?
Mr.s GRANT. No--never.
Mr. HUBERT. It was simply through meeting at the club?
Mrs. GRANT. Well this doctor brought him in one afternoon. He knew him because he went to him for treatment.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, that's the first meeting, but thereafter, what was the basis of the meeting?
Mrs. GRANT. Nothing. I mean, he came in, and I went to dinner with him and the doctor once, and we went for a ride, but I'll tell you, the doctor and I didn't know anything about his background.
Mr. HUBERT. He was ultimately charged, was he not, with the possession of narcotics?
Mrs. GRANT. Oh, yes; in fact, we read the story that night. We were shocked. We knew he took trips, we knew he was married to a dancer in New York, but this all came out--wait a minute, his wife came from New York that summer.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, we'll get into that later. Did Jack know Paul Roland Jones at that time?
Mrs. GRANT. If he did--no; I doubt if he ever even heard of him.
Mr. HUBERT. Jack had not come down here yet?
Mrs. GRANT. If he was, he didn't stay long.
Mr. HUBERT. But to your recollection he didn't know Jones at all?
Mrs. GRANT. I don't think he has ever seen him--well, wait a minute, he may have seen the man or heard about him.
Mr. HUBERT. I understand that, but at the time of this episode that you are telling us about?
Mrs. GRANT. I don't think he ever saw him as far as I know, but I want to tell you that Roland Jones went to Chicago during the period of those 6 months and he did meet my brother Hyman. I don't know what conversation my brother had--my brother thought he was a nice guy--we didn't know anything about his background.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know what happened to him?
Mrs. GRANT. Oh, yes; he went to jail for something about narcotics from Turkey or something like that.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he have any other charges later against him? Do you know?
Mrs. GRANT. Do you want to know something--I went into a hotel here, and let me think, either the Whitmore or the Southland since he has been out, or when he got out, and this friend of mine said, "Guess who got out of jail?" He said "Paul Roland Jones," and I said, "That's nice."
Mr. HUBERT. How long ago was that?
Mrs. GRANT. This must be 7 years or 8 years--it seems like a long time ago.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you seen him since?
Mrs. GRANT. Yes; he was here 2 years ago, I think. He came through and he stopped by the Vegas Club one night. Oh, he says, he got in a cab and he was coming through--he probably was here other times but he didn't want anybody to know--he said he was coming through changing planes and he says he's sure going to be picked up and he says to say hello to Jack.
Mr. HUBERT. When was that?
Mrs. GRANT. Maybe a year and a half or 2 years ago.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see him in November 1963?
Mrs. GRANT. Oh, no.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you talk to him on the phone?
Mrs. GRANT. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you know he was in Dallas?
Mr.s GRANT. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Is there anything you know that would indicate that your brother, Jack, knew he was in Dallas?
Mrs. GRANT. I don't know.
Mr. HUBERT. In November 1963?
Mrs. GRANT. I don't know. I'll tell you how I figure this out, if I can go450
see my contract--you see, my band leader was making a record, you know, a record of music.
Mr. HUBERT. But so far as your recollection is concerned, it would be over a year from today?
Mrs. GRANT. Easy--easy.
Mr. HUBERT. And by "contact with him," of course, I mean--you know--telephone, letters, messages?
Mrs. GRANT. No; he came in--he told me that he knows people at Mercury Records and that if I send in the song he was going to make it, and truthfully, I was glad when he came in, when he left, for more reasons than one. We don't discuss his background or anything.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, that's over a year ago certainly.
Mrs. GRANT. It has been so long--I say a year and a half--the airlines would know quicker than I know because he said he just flew in and he was just there for the evening and going back out, at least that's what he told me. I don't discuss his background or anything like that--at least, that's what he told me.Steve Thomas
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America's secret police.
Trump Has Flooded DC With Law Enforcement Officers Who Won’t Identify Themselves
By Dan Friedman
“They’re not Blackwater. But it’s fair to ask.”
“American citizens are left confronting unidentified apparent paramilitary police with no way of knowing what legal authority, if any, these forces vested with the power to kill us possess. That is not occurring in Ukraine, where Russia’s “little green men” occupy parts of Donbass, or in dystopian fiction. It’s happening today, a few feet from the White House.”
“The badge on the left shoulder of one officer appears to be from a “Disturbance Control Team” at the Bureau of Prisons, my colleague Russ Choma found. Again, federal riot police.”
“On Wednesday afternoon, Garrett Haake, an MSNBC reporter, tweeted pictures of unidentified law enforcement officers with name plates and insignias removed. Haake said the officers refused to identify themselves.
Back outside the White House. Today the perimeter has been pushed back another half block. Federal law enforcement of some kind, but they won’t identify themselves, and all insignias and name plates have been removed.”
“In a tweet that included my photo of unidentified federal officers by the Navy Memorial, Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) said Wednesday night that he plans to introduce legislation to require that uniformed federal officers doing domestic security work identify what agency or military branch they work for.
We cannot tolerate an American secret police.
I will be introducing legislation to require uniformed federal officers performing any domestic security duties to clearly identify what military branch or agency they represent. pic.twitter.com/2kaFAlWUow
— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) June 4, 2020”
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“Outrageous or not, the president could have the authority under D.C. law to commandeer the local police. He threatened on Monday to deploy the military to put down protests in cities across the country. But in the District, the president can invoke a never-used “Emergency control of police”: Since the District is a federal enclave, under control of Congress and the White House, the law states the president may “direct the Mayor” to provide “services of the Metropolitan police force for federal purposes.””
"As of Tuesday, federal officials had floated the idea of invoking the law, but Trump had not made the call."
“Should President Trump become desperate for another show of personal force, his next act with D.C. as backdrop could be essentially deputizing the Metropolitan Police Department or calling in federal troops. If that happens, he may well get his military march down Pennsylvania Avenue — if for no other reason than to inspect his troops.”
He's already started fortifying the White House grounds with that 8' fence.
Steve Thomas
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From James LaPorta: “700 members of the 82nd are at Joint Base Andrews and Fort Belvoir. 1,400 more soldiers are ready to be mobilized within an hour. Soldiers are armed and have riot gear. They also were issued bayonets.”
From Steven Dupler: “Kent State May 4, 1970":
Steve Thomas
Bob Stovall Does Not Recommend This Man
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted
John,
To the best of knowledge, people who have looked into it have not found any connection between the Richard Stovall, who was a Detective in the Dallas Police Department's Homicide and Robbery Bureau, and the Robert Stovall, who was the President of Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall. Maybe they were distant, distant cousins or something, but I'm pretty sure they had different parents.
Steve Thomas