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14 hours ago, Andrej Stancak said:Mr. CABELL. The first call from Curry, or only the starting of any conversations with Chief Curry were relative to this torchlight parade on that night. I had called him and told him that I would recommend the cancellation of that parade. He had granted it, but then I had recommended the cancellation, and I would assume full responsibility for having given that instruction.
Andrej,
I read a little of Cabell's WC testimony.
The eight-member Dallas City Council did not meet between November 22nd and November 24th. The City Manager, Elgin Crull was out of town and did not return until after Oswald had been shot and Curry had to call him and ask him to please come back to town.
That's just kind of mind boggling.
What do you think were the chances that this "torchlight parade" would have turned into a good old-fashioned wild-west lynch mob?
My bet would have been even odds.
Cabell Exhibit 1. (19H243)
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1136#relPageId=261&tab=page
FBI interview with Mayor, Earl Cabell December 12, 1963.
https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/dallas-tx/william-smith-5347137
William Lancaster “Lank” Smith, III passed away peacefully on Monday, December 17, 2012, in Dallas, Texas. He was born in Lebanon, Kentucky on June 14, 1923. He was a beloved husband, father, grandfather, great-grandfather and friend. He attended high school in Lebanon, Kentucky at St. Augustine. He joined the U. S. Army Air Force and played tailback on the Third Air Force football team. He received his undergraduate degree from the University of Notre Dame in 1946. He graduated from the University of Notre Dame Law School in 1950. While at Notre Dame, he played football as a defensive halfback under the coaching of Frank Leahy and was part of Notre Dame’s legendary undefeated and national championship teams in 1946, 1947 and 1948. While in law school, he served as the coach of the Notre Dame Freshman football team. In 1950, he became the coach of the Jesuit High School football team in Dallas eventually guiding them to their first T.C.I.L. State Championship. He served as an Assistant District Attorney in Dallas from 1954 through 1957 and later became a partner in the law firm of Turner, White, Atwood, Meer & Francis. In 1961, he formed his own law firm which eventually became known as Smith, Smith & Smith, LLP. He spent decades practicing law with his sons in Dallas County. His love of Notre Dame and its football team never faded. He was voted Notre Dame Man of the Year, Dallas Club, in 1954. He was elected National President of the Notre Dame Alumni Association 1965 to 1967, then served seven years as a Board Member. He served as President of the N. D. Monogram Club 1986 through 1988 then served seventeen years on its Board. He served as President of the Dallas Citizens Council for Decent Literature, Vice-President of the Cincinnati National Citizens for Decent Literature and was cited by the National Conference of Christians and Jews as a speaker on brotherhood.
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4 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:
With that said, Hart's role in intelligence at the Special Service Bureau is important - he was second in command under Jack Revill - and he was FBI agent Jim Hosty's "counterpart" at the DPD covering the "subversive desk".
Ian Griggs offers a good description of the Special Service Bureau: "It was basically a covert surveillance and intelligence-gathering unit which, as well as the Criminal Intelligence Squad, encompassed the Vice Squad and the Narcotics Squad, et al." Its chief Pat Gannaway retired in 1976 as a lieutenant colonel in Army Intelligence - US Army Reserve in 1976. Gannaway died in 2000.
This memo from New York's BOSS (Bureau of Special Services) is a good reminder that Dallas' Special Service Bureau had counterparts all around the country. BOSS had information about FPCC leader Vincent Lee's guns even though he never brought them up from Florida to their knowledge!
Gannaway's counterpart in Chicago was William J. Duffy, the Chief of Intelligence. In Las Vegas, it was Lt. Robert Griffin.
Bill,
I once read that the Criminal Intelligence Sections of these Special Service Bureaus concentrated on "non-Mafia related" criminal matters. (which kind of goes along with Hoover's denial that the "Mafia" even existed).
I would take H.M. Hart's role as Revill's "second in command" with a grain of salt. Revill was a Lieutenant in that Bureau, but there are no Sergeants listed in Batchelor's Exhibit 5002,
(see page 4)
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf
In his various memos in the Dallas Police Archives, Hart only identifies himself as "Detective" Hart.
https://www.maryferrell.org/php/showlist.php?docset=2105
Hosty may have identified Hart as his "counterpart", but I think that's just Hosty being Hosty.
Steve Thomas
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3 hours ago, Chris Scally said:
Keyvan, I have just sent you a message via the Forum ...
Steve, just a small correction, but possibly important to the lady in question - Gayle is the granddaughter of Orville Nix, and not his daughter !
Chris Scally
Chris,
Thanks.
Steve Thomas
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2 hours ago, Andrej Stancak said:
There are interesting associations along the lines Earle Cabell - McLendon - Connally - DPD - and ... Ruby.
Andrej,
One name from this list that jumped out at me was E.B. Germany. I've seen his name before.
McLane, Curren R. (Colonel). A History of the Texas State Guard,
(TSGRC is the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps.) 1948 - 1965
The Reserve Corps consisted of three Brigades of four regiments each, for a total of twelve regiments.
Another one of those "Colonels".
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9 minutes ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:
I have contacted the Sixth Floor Museum to ask for a 1st generation copy of the Nix film. The film that they have posted on the website seems to be enhanced. It has horizontal lines across the nix film throughout. In simple terms they said no and I would need special permission to see the 1st generation copy.
My question is why would they put an enhanced version of the Nix film for public view when it does not accurately reflect what occurred that day.
Does anybody seem to know anyone there? Can we get them to put a version that is not enhanced?
Keyvan,
You might want to contact Orville's daughter, Gayle Nix Jackson. She might have some answers for you.
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6 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:
I've thought before about just trying to gather all the information available on Ruby in one place to analyze and compare. That to me would be a monumental task itself. I admit technical ignorance regarding such.
Ron,
I'm not sure why, but this deal with smuggling heroin in from Mexico in iron pipes fascinates me. I'm pretty sure that Ruby was involved with a smuggling ring running cars stolen in Chicago, and run down to Mexico. I wonder if they got paid in heroin. Do you know if the "pipes" investigation went any further? Ruby's brother Hyman, and his sister, Eva sound like a real pair.
Thousands of feet of very specialized pipe that gas companies might be interested in... very interesting.
Here are some notes I have clipped. Have you ever read footnote 1508: a Secret Service interview with Jack Ruby done on December 6, 1963? It's cited as HSCA JFK Document# 004232 ?
HSCA vol. 9 pp. 522-523
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=955#relPageId=531&tab=page
HSCA vol. 9, page 1154
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=955#relPageId=1162&tab=page
HSCA vol. 9, page 522
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=955#relPageId=530&tab=page
WC testimony of Eva Grant
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/grant_e1.htm
“Mrs. GRANT. I don't think he ever saw him as far as I know, but I want to tell you that Roland Jones went to Chicago during the period of those 6 months and he did meet my brother Hyman. I don't know what conversation my brother had--my brother thought he was a nice guy--we didn't know anything about his background.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know what happened to him?
Mrs. GRANT. Oh, yes; he went to jail for something about narcotics from Turkey or something like that.”
WC testimony of Eva Grant
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/grant_e1.htm
Mrs. GRANT. We were buying metals, at least we were trying to buy metals and materials to sell to--in fact, gas companies--one is--I have the files, believe me, and I think it's at Jonesboro--is it in Arkansas or Oklahoma? Well, we got the specifications and Paul Roland Jones brought me a piece of metal, maybe 6 inches long--it's a certain type of pipe, rather, he brought me, and this man didn't want it, so I sent it on to Chicago to my brother.
Mr. HUBERT. Which brother?
Mrs. GRANT. It seems to me I sent it to my older brother, Hyman, and he says he knew somebody that might be able to use the amount of footage we had at this place, and we were going to make what you call a finder's fee or broker's fee, but little did we know of Paul Roland Jones' connection, because I'm going to tell you. This man told me several things-- "I'm not fit to be in the night club business, I'm not the caliber of a person."
Mr. HUBERT. Who was that--Jones told you that?
Mrs. GRANT. Yes; and he seemed to be a very nice fellow and he used my phone for a long distance call to Ardmore, Okla., and I know he paid me $2 or $3 in change when he did it, and I didn't know a thing about this.
Mr. HUBERT. About what, ma'am?
Mrs. GRANT. Well, wait a minute, I pick up the headlines and they got Paul Roland Jones in jail somewhere in Fort Worth. I no sooner picked this up--this paper, the paper of this city, my brother is calling me from Chicago that the FBI or some organization, one of your organizations went to the Congress Hotel where Jack was staying and they are questioning him about whether--about what he knew about Paul Roland Jones. I don't think Jack ever heard me mention the name.449
Mr. HUBERT. How long had you known Paul Roland Jones when this occurred?
Mrs. GRANT. Not too many months--if it was 6 months or 8 months--it was the longest.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you done any business with him?
Mr.s GRANT. No--never.
Mr. HUBERT. It was simply through meeting at the club?
Mrs. GRANT. Well this doctor brought him in one afternoon. He knew him because he went to him for treatment.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, that's the first meeting, but thereafter, what was the basis of the meeting?
Mrs. GRANT. Nothing. I mean, he came in, and I went to dinner with him and the doctor once, and we went for a ride, but I'll tell you, the doctor and I didn't know anything about his background.
Mr. HUBERT. He was ultimately charged, was he not, with the possession of narcotics?
Mrs. GRANT. Oh, yes; in fact, we read the story that night. We were shocked. We knew he took trips, we knew he was married to a dancer in New York, but this all came out--wait a minute, his wife came from New York that summer.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, we'll get into that later. Did Jack know Paul Roland Jones at that time?
Mrs. GRANT. If he did--no; I doubt if he ever even heard of him.
Mr. HUBERT. Jack had not come down here yet?
Mrs. GRANT. If he was, he didn't stay long.
Mr. HUBERT. But to your recollection he didn't know Jones at all?
Mrs. GRANT. I don't think he has ever seen him--well, wait a minute, he may have seen the man or heard about him.
Mr. HUBERT. I understand that, but at the time of this episode that you are telling us about?
Mrs. GRANT. I don't think he ever saw him as far as I know, but I want to tell you that Roland Jones went to Chicago during the period of those 6 months and he did meet my brother Hyman. I don't know what conversation my brother had--my brother thought he was a nice guy--we didn't know anything about his background.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know what happened to him?
Mrs. GRANT. Oh, yes; he went to jail for something about narcotics from Turkey or something like that.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he have any other charges later against him? Do you know?
Mrs. GRANT. Do you want to know something--I went into a hotel here, and let me think, either the Whitmore or the Southland since he has been out, or when he got out, and this friend of mine said, "Guess who got out of jail?" He said "Paul Roland Jones," and I said, "That's nice."
Mr. HUBERT. How long ago was that?
Mrs. GRANT. This must be 7 years or 8 years--it seems like a long time ago.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you seen him since?
Mrs. GRANT. Yes; he was here 2 years ago, I think. He came through and he stopped by the Vegas Club one night. Oh, he says, he got in a cab and he was coming through--he probably was here other times but he didn't want anybody to know--he said he was coming through changing planes and he says he's sure going to be picked up and he says to say hello to Jack.
Mr. HUBERT. When was that?
Mrs. GRANT. Maybe a year and a half or 2 years ago.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see him in November 1963?
Mrs. GRANT. Oh, no.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you talk to him on the phone?
Mrs. GRANT. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you know he was in Dallas?
Mr.s GRANT. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Is there anything you know that would indicate that your brother, Jack, knew he was in Dallas?
Mrs. GRANT. I don't know.
Mr. HUBERT. In November 1963?
Mrs. GRANT. I don't know. I'll tell you how I figure this out, if I can go450
see my contract--you see, my band leader was making a record, you know, a record of music.
Mr. HUBERT. But so far as your recollection is concerned, it would be over a year from today?
Mrs. GRANT. Easy--easy.
Mr. HUBERT. And by "contact with him," of course, I mean--you know--telephone, letters, messages?
Mrs. GRANT. No; he came in--he told me that he knows people at Mercury Records and that if I send in the song he was going to make it, and truthfully, I was glad when he came in, when he left, for more reasons than one. We don't discuss his background or anything.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, that's over a year ago certainly.
Mrs. GRANT. It has been so long--I say a year and a half--the airlines would know quicker than I know because he said he just flew in and he was just there for the evening and going back out, at least that's what he told me. I don't discuss his background or anything like that--at least, that's what he told me.Steve Thomas
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Oh boy.
The coronavirus was started by Bill Gates and George Soros as a way to make money, and only affects people of the Mongoloid race.
This is a Google translated version of this site out of Russia:
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/202023353-O9wUV.html
“After such statements, adherents of conspiracy theories literally have no doubt that the virus is of artificial origin, and Bill Gates is one of its main sponsors. Another fact adds weight to this theory - a few months ago, the head of Microsoft held a conditional exercise called Event 201, which simulated an outbreak of a new virus that killed 65 million people in 18 months. The idea of the teachings is simple - globalization in the name of salvation.
"So, let's begin. The world has been seized by a global pandemic. And only well-coordinated work of states and big business can stop it. ”
“This cannot be a coincidence, when the exercises were conducted, the coronavirus did not exist. Either it should be Nostradamus, or the person who created it. Therefore, these exercises are no longer even indirectly, but directly confirm Gates’s involvement in this story, ”said Dmitry Zhuravlev, political scientist and director of the Institute for Regional Problems.
The fact is that while the disease affects only the representatives of the Mongoloid race, such suspicious selectivity raises questions from experts. No less widespread discussion was caused by the story around the laboratory for the study of dangerous viruses. It is located in Wuhan, 32 kilometers from the same market where the disease was first recorded.
However, there is another biolaboratory in Wuhan - until recently, nothing was known about it. Her address is like someone’s joke - Gaoxin, three sixes - the number mentioned in the Bible, under which the name of the beast of the Apocalypse is hidden. But it’s even more symbolic that it exists on the money of the famous banker Jorozh Soros, who shares the globalist ideas of Bill Gates. It would seem that nuclear conspiracy theology is completely different, but experts say that a tricky plan lies behind an absurd wrapper.
One thing is clear, those who benefit from the disease will continue to fuel mass hysteria. However, on a deadly virus, you can earn not only money, but also subscribers. Bloggers and just active users of social networks, taking advantage of the moment, shoot provocative videos that sometimes scare people, to put it mildly.”
Steve Thomas
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https://consortiumnews.com/2020/03/16/the-angry-arab-middle-east-faces-corona/
THE ANGRY ARAB: Middle East Faces Corona
Politicizing the Crisis
Not unlike the U.S., the crisis has been politicized in the region. The Saudi government, for example, imposed a curfew on the predominantly Shi’ite Qatif province, and its media blamed Iran and some even called it “the Iranian virus.”
Conspiracy theories about the virus abound, here and there: some in the U.S. blame China, while some in China blame the U.S., and some in Iran blame the U.S.
Gotta love it.
I'm waiting for the Great Flood stories to start coming out.
"Punish the wicked", that 's what I say.
Or maybe it's the extraterrestrials' attempts to exterminate mankind. I can never remember which.
Steve Thomas
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4 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:
Shot in the heart. Chopped in the head and face with reputedly a machete.
Ron,
The viciousness and completeness of del Valle's and Johnny Rosselli's murders always struck me.
Steve Thomas
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38 minutes ago, Mark Wengler said:
I am looking for documents on Eladio Del Valle.
Mark,
If you plug his full name, Eladio Ceferino del Valle Gutierrez, into the search box on the Mary Ferrell Foundation page, you get about 400,000 hits.
Steve Thomas
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On 3/8/2020 at 8:04 PM, Matt Allison said:
Is there more context to this? Were the FBI men questioning her about the Walker shooting?
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Steve Thomas
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Jerry was always pretty straightforward with me.
His approach is from a Historical Association perspective.
Steve Thomas
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2 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:
Me too. Lee and Marina walked from Neely with the rifle wrapped in a raincoat then Lee got on a buss at Beckley? Leaving Marina to go to the fish store and ice cream store...
Ron,
From that same Commission Exhibit:
What do you think the chances are that Marina knew exactly where Oswald was living as of October 15, 1963, despite what she and Ruth Paine told James Hosty on November 1st?
Steve Thomas
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I have recently become aware of Commission Exhibit 1838 and I am kind of stunned.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1139#relPageId=549&tab=page
On March 3, 1964, Marina Oswald drove around in a car with FBI Agents Wallace Heitman and Anatole Buguslav, and pointed out the route she and Lee Harvey Oswald had taken on a night in March, 1963 with him carrying a rifle wrapped up in a raincoat.
At the end of the evening in March, 1963, she thinks that Oswald catches a bus somewhere, and she is left alone in the dark to make her own way back home.
However,
Exactly one month earlier, on February 3, 1964, Marina had told the Warren Commission.
WC testimony of Marina Oswald February 3, 1964
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/oswald_m1.htm
Mr. RANKIN. Did you ever observe your husband taking the rifle away from the apartment on Neely Street?
Mrs. OSWALD. Now, I think that he probably did sometimes, but I never did see it. You must understand that sometimes I would be in the kitchen and he would be in his room downstairs, and he would say bye-bye, I will be hack soon, and he may have taken it. He probably did. Perhaps he purely waited for an occasion when he could take it away without my seeing it.Mr. RANKIN. Did you learn at any time that he had been practicing with the rifle?
Mrs. OSWALD. I think that he went once or twice. I didn't actually see him take the rifle, but I knew that he was practicing.I don't know what to say.
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1 hour ago, Joseph McBride said:
was talking. His wife, Jill, fiercely defended him, but he (like Sanders et al)
I want to send Jill a Supergirl suit.
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5 hours ago, David Josephs said:
David,
James Hosty: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hosty.htm
On March 11, 1963, I made inquiry at this Elsbeth address, and determined from the landlady, I believe her name was Mrs. Tobias, that she had just evicted Lee and Marina Oswald from her apartment building... she had asked him to leave on March 3, 1963. She told me they had moved a short distance away. She didn't know where. On that same date, I was able to determine from the postal authorities that they had changed their address to 214 Neely Street, also in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas.
On the 14th of March, I verified that Oswalds were residing at this address when I found the mailbox with the name of Lee and Marina Oswald at this address, 214 Neely Street.I always wondered about Marina's name appearing on the mailbox. Usually you just see a last name like Oswald, or Brown, or Smith or something.
it just struck me as a little odd.
Steve Thomas
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28 minutes ago, David Josephs said:
Steve.... you did all that great work on "Harvey Lee"...
Do you remember if you found any identifying document listing his name like that, which Beckley could have been added to?
We should remember too that it may have been WESTBROOK and KROY in the other police car in the driveway... and what Mrs. HOLAN said she saw...
the time to have left the wallet would have been then, at 1pm.... yet from all the witness accounts, there was no wallet there.... until Westbrook gets there....
then again the ambulance driver said Tippit was covered by a Blue Overcoat... and the fact Tippit was FACE DOWN.... with his legs pointed towards the rear of the car...
(I realize this is not strictly THE BECKLEY BUNCH but if that Wallet was the source for Beckley, and there continues to be all these conflicting bits of evidence about virtually every single detail.... I believe it warrants having the general knowledge - hope you agree, DJ)
David,
Nothing comes to mind vis-a-vis Harvey Lee and Beckley. All the references I can remember pre-date his move to Dallas in the fall of 1963.
If that ambulance driver is correct about the radio, then what's all that business about the citizen calling in to Dispatch to tell them about a police officer being shot?
Westbrook and the wallet has potential, but I'm just not sure...
For myself, I've set my sights on Billie Senkel, who rode in the pilot car with Lumpkin and Whitmeyer as being the source of information about Beckley. He was also one of the Detectives sent out to Beckley; and when they got there, the Detectives were asking about a Harvey Lee Oswald, who figures prominently in so many military intelligence files.
Steve Thomas
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21 hours ago, David Josephs said:
CE1986 is the list of contents of Oswald's one and only inventoried Wallet... nothing listed has the Beckley Address
We've all seen the frame grab of 2 men looking at a wallet at 10th and Patton... that has to be occurring just around 2pm or so. Many feel this is Westbrook
with the only reason for their being a real piece of fake evidence so early in the game would be to get DPD to Beckley...The fact this occurred was never mentioned by anyone.... yet it seems to me the only way they could know that fast where Oswald's room was - and at the hands of WESTBROOK
the man in charge of personnel... given how embroiled Westbrook appears to have been, his telling his buddies about 1026 Beckley and then having it disappear to history
seems par for the course....David,
I'm trying to work this into the timeline that we do know.
Oswald was brought into the interrogation room at 2:20. Detectives were dispatched to Beckley at 2:40. By 2:00 he had already been arrested and was arriving at City Hall.
As you said, no inventory sheet includes this piece of paper, and there is nothing in the dispatch tapes announcing this "discovery".
Nor does it explain why, when the police arrived at Beckley, they were asking for a Harvey Lee Oswald (as per Earlene Roberts).
Steve Thomas
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Please forgive me if this is half-baked. I'm still trying to work this out in my mind. I haven't thought it all the way through yet.
That itty bitty piece of paper. Who woulda thunk it?
That itty bitty piece of paper could be the key that unravels the case of the JFK murder mystery.
Notice that I said, "unravels" and not solves, but it definitely shoots a hole in the official story we've been given.
Will Fritz told the Warren Commission that before he went in to talk to Oswald following Oswald's arrest, an officer told him out in the hall that Oswald lived on Beckley. How would that officer have known that?
Arthur C. Johnson, the husband of the owner of the rooming house on Beckley told the Warren Commission (10H303)
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/johnso_a.htm
Mr. JOHNSON. Well, they just came down there looking for--uh--Oswald.
Mr. BELIN. Did they say what his full name was?
Mr. JOHNSON. Yes, I believe they did.
Mr. BELIN. Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. JOHNSON. I believe they did.
Mr. BELIN. Did they say how they happened to come there?
Mr. JOHNSON. "Well, uh--after he was--uh--apprehended out there, they searched him and found my address in his pocket.
Mr. BELIN. Your address of 1026 North Beckley?
Mr. JOHNSON. That's right.Gladys Johnson told the Warren Commission that;
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/johnso_g.htm
Mr. BALL. Did you ever know his true name was Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mrs. JOHNSON. No; not until we saw his picture flash on the television as the officers were out. Those particulars was found in his pocket after he killed Tippit, after his arrest.Since the register sheet with O.H. Lee's name on it was in the Johnson's possession, that couldn't been one of the "particulars" Mrs. Johnson was talking about.
Mick Purdy wrote in the ROKC Forum 12/08/2019
https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t1180p125-did-oswald-deny-living-at-1026-n-beckley
Washington Post reporter and Editor and General Manager of the Texas Observer, Ronnie Duggar
Duggar interviews Johnson perhaps in the 1966-67 time frame?
Bart Kamp posted this in the ROKC Forum 02/08/2020 concerning a 1977 interview Gladys Johnson had with the HSCA:
https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t1180p125-did-oswald-deny-living-at-1026-n-beckley
1) Either that little piece of paper existed;, or,
2) It didn’t
1) If the piece of paper with the Beckley St. address on it did exist, evidence of its existence was supressed. It wasn’t mentioned by
a) any policeman who drove Oswald from the Theater to police headquarters,
b) any policeman who searched Oswald while he was at police headquarters,
c) any policeman, David Johnston, or Bill Alexander, who arrived at the Beckley St. residence on the 22nd,.
d) any inventory sheet of the property seized at Beckley.
If the sheet of paper did exist and evidence of it was suppressed, it could mean that the police knew about Oswald and his whereabouts and that either,
a) he was under surveillance; or,
b) he was not under surveillance, but the police had to manufacture a reason for how they came about going to Beckley; or,
c) he was framed
2) If the paper did not exist, it would mean either;
a) the Johnsons lied; or,
b) the Johnson’s really were told by the police that such a piece of paper existed.
What would be the motive for the Johnsons to lie? If the Johnsons were lying, it’s a lie that Gladys Johnson maintained for more than 14 years.
I think the Johnsons really were told that such a piece of paper existed, and that the police lied to the Johnsons to justify how they came to be at Beckley.
Some element of the Dallas Police Department, but not the Criminal Intelligence Section of the Special Service Bureau, knew about Oswald prior to the assassination.
Someone with ties to military intelligence perhaps?
Steve Thomas
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5 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:
I'll be dealing with my own opinions on Oswald in my thesis paper which should be out by summer,
Larry,
What do you think of Pat Puckett Hall’s thesis in this article,
Hall remembers Lee Oswald, life at Beckley Avenue rooming house
wherein she wrote that,
<QUOTE>
‘... research puts Oswald in proximity with anti-Castro Cubans and at the same time belonging to a pro-Castro group, the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. Some speculate he may have been meeting with members of the violent anti-Castro group called Alpha 66.”
“Plus, there is a report made by Buddy Walthers of the Dallas County Sheriff’s Department, dated Nov. 23, 1963, in which Walthers reports Cubans had been hanging out at 3128 Harlandale Street which is just a couple of miles from the rooming house. The report also states that Walther’s informant told him Oswald had been seen at this house.”
“...he was given the job of getting the real assassin in and out of the Texas School Book Depository without being seen. “That still makes him guilty of conspiracy in the assassination, but that does not make him guilty of the actual assassination,” she said.”
<ENDQUOTE>
I myself believe that the Rambler could very well have have belonged to Raoul Castro of the Dallas chapter of Alpha 66 and that the Dark Complected Man was Manuel Rodrigiez Orcarberro, who was also the dark-complected person seen by Roger Craig driving that Rambler.
Her thesis does not sound out of bounds for me. He may not have known what the real assassin's intentions were, and once he realized what happened, that would explain his departure from the TSBD and his quick trip to the Rooming House to get his pistol.
Steve Thomas
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13 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:
Food for thought...
Gannaway was quoted in the media as saying that Oswald 'was the only one who didn't show up and couldn't be accounted for' in Truly's alleged employee roll-call.
Eddie Piper, a porter at the book depository, echoed Gannaway's quote on 11/23/63 when he was chatting with Joe Molina. Molina quoted Piper as saying "he had heard that all employees in the building had been accounted for, except for Lee."
Also in the Dallas Times Herald, 11/24/63: W.P. Gannaway of the Police Department's Special Services Bureau said this man's name (note; Joe Molina) has been in the subversive files of the department since 1955.
Bill,
On February 5, 1964, Jack Revill wrote a memo to Captain Gannaway on the 13 groups the Criminal Intelligence Section of the Special Service Bureau had under surveillance prior to JFK's visit.
You can read a copy here:
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth340039/m1/1/?q=Revill
The GI Forum was not one of those groups.
The last line of his two-page memo reads:
That memo, plus the list of TSBD employees that comprises CE 2003 located in (24H259) submitted to Captain Gannaway through Jack Revill of TSBD employees,
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1140#relPageId=277&tab=page
and the fact that Oswald has the word "NONE" in the second column, tells me that Oswald was not, in fact, on the local DPD subversives radar.
How "some officer" told Fritz out in the hall that Oswald lived on Beckley completely escapes me, but I don't believe that that information came through the normal Criminal Intelligence Section channels.
Steve Thomas
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9 hours ago, Dan Troyer said:
Thank you Bart and David for all the great information you both post.
Either these 2 pics are of a different gun, or it has been totally taken apart in between. None of the slots in the slotted screws are in the same position, in both pictures. And it may be the angle view of the second pic, but the machined surfaces are machined in a different radius, probably when the barrel was installed.
Dan,
Thanks,
I noticed that too right off the bat. Due to the absence of screwdriver marks on the screw heads, I'd say these are two different guns.
Steve Thomas
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Bill,
During Curry's WC testimony, he was asked three times, by three different Commission members (not the lawyers mind you, but the members themselves), if the Dallas Police had any record of Oswald. Curry unequivocally said no. He stressed "Oswald was not in their files."
The research I have done on the list of TSBD employees that comprise CE 2003 tells me, anyway, that Oswald was not in fact in the DPD's official criminal intelligence list.
Unofficially, they had to have been aware of him. I've seen Fort Worth newspapers from 1962 on Oswald's return from Russia. They were big articles.
You asked about the Fort Worth Police. I have wondered about that too. I wonder how much cooperation, or non-cooperation between the different agencies there was.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/curry1.htm
Mr. MCCLOY - While we are waiting for Mr. Rankin to continue his examination, let me ask you this question, Chief.
Did you, prior to the assassination, know or hear of Oswald?
Mr. CURRY - Never.
Mr. MCCLOY - Didn't hear that he had been--there was a defector named Oswald in the city of Dallas?
Mr. CURRY - No, sir.
Mr. MCCLOY - Never heard of his name?
Mr. CURRY - We didn't have it in our files.
Representative FORD - Was there anything in your files that Lee Harvey Oswald had been involved with the Dallas police force?
Mr. CURRY - No, sir.
Representative FORD - No record whatsoever?
Mr. CURRY - No, sir.
Mr. DULLES - Was there any record of his having made a trip to the Soviet Union and returned?
Mr. CURRY - Not in our files.
Mr. DULLES - And returned to Texas?
Mr. CURRY - We didn't have anything in our files regarding Lee Harvey Oswald.
Senator COOPER - I want to come back to that point later, but I want to ask this, outside of what you had in your police files, your records, did you know yourself, or did you know whether anyone in authority in the police force or anyone in the police force, to your knowledge, had any knowledge of the presence of Oswald in Dallas?
Mr. CURRY - No, sir; I have asked my criminal intelligence section, which would have been the persons who had knowledge of this.
Senator COOPER - Had anyone informed you that he was working in the Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mr. CURRY - No, sir.
Mr. DULLES - Had he ever tangled with the Dallas Police in any respect of which there is any record?
Mr. CURRY - We have no record at all of him.
Look at what Revill told the HSCA in what, 1978 maybe?
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo2/jfk4/hscarevl.htm
Mr. PURDY. What was the responsibility of the Criminal Intelligence Section in the 1950's and early 1960's?
Captain REVILL. Our primary function was the gathering of information on individuals and organizations involved in criminal activities and extremist group individuals, and organizations.
Mr. PURDY. Was the vice squad part of this unit?
Captain REVILL. The vice squad was a part, an integral part of the Special Services Bureau which consisted of vice, narcotics, and intelligence, each unit commanded by a lieutenant of police.
Mr. PURDY. To what extent did members of the intelligence unit have access to information concerning criminal activity generally in Dallas in the 1950's and early 1960's?
Captain REVILL. We had complete access to recorded information of criminal elements.
Mr. PURDY. When did you join the intelligence division?
Captain REVILL. In February of 1958, I believe.
Mr. PURDY. What division did you work in prior to that time?
Captain REVILL. Prior to that I was a lieutenant commanding the narcotics unit.
Mr. PURDY. In your work with the intelligence division, did you gain access to information concerning all types of criminal activity or just specific types?
Captain REVILL. All types of criminal activity.
Up until Marina Oswald's magic production of the Walker note, what part of Oswald's life would have drawn the attention of the Criminal Intelligence Division of the Dallas Police?
His arrest in New Orleans in August might not have come to the attention of the Dallas Police.
Actually, I do believe Curry and Fritz and Revill when they testified that Oswald was unknown to them prior to 11/22.
The emphasis of the Special Service Bureau seemed;,to me, to be on groups and not lone-wolfs.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/curry1.htm
Mr. RANKIN - I will hand you Exhibit No. 710 and ask you if that isn't a copy of what you are referring to.
Mr. CURRY - Yes; it is
Mr. RANKIN - You won't have to read that, Chief, if you will just describe in a general way what was done that you know about and then I will offer that to show what it proves.
Mr. CURRY - In essence, this report says prior to the announcement of the President's visit, there were rumors he would visit Dallas and because of these rumors the intelligence section increased its efforts in attempting to get data concerning not only extremists and subversive groups.
Steve Thomas