3 hours ago, James Norwood said:

Steve,

 I would personally welcome the information you have about Crigler.

James,

Here is what I have picked up along the way:

On December 6, 1963 Thomas Crigler was interviewed by the FBI. He said that he met Ofstein “accidentally” on the street.

See FBI interview of Crigler December 6, 1963:

CD 205 p. 478

https://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10672#relPageId=481&tab=page

 

Thomas H. Crigler, Jr., 1705 McAdams, advised he is currently a Staff Sergeant, U.S. Army Security Agency, Field Representative, assigned to U.S. Army Recruiting Station, Dallas. He advised that he and Dennis Ofstein were assigned to the same U.S. Army branch in Europe and that he knew Ofstein from about June, 1960 to December, 1960 purely as another person attached to the same unit with him. He said that he had never become socially or well acquainted with Ofstein at that time. He said the caption of their group was the 507^th USASA Group, Heilbron, West Germany.”

 

(This is actually spelled Heibronn.)

 

1705 McAdams Ave. is in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas, about a thousand feet south of Illinois, just off Rugged Dr.

Colin Crow:

http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=11247.25;wap2

“OFSTEIN said this statement aroused his suspicions and he asked Sgt. TOM CRIGLER, who is employed with the U. S. Army Recruiting Station, Dallas, and is a resident of the Oak Cliff area of Dallas, regarding this. He said he told CRIGLER he had run into a fellow at work who had spent some time in Russia and he wondered if the FBI should run a security check on him inasmuch as he, OFSTEIN, did not want to jeopardize his own status for any possible future security clearances in the event he ever returned to the U. S. Army."

The problem with the above is the fact that Sgt. Tom Crigler told the FBI that Ofstein contacted him in August, 1963. Five months AFTER Oswald had left Jaggars. Why would Ofstein suddenly want the FBI to run a check on Oswald in August, 1963 when he allegedly hadn't seen the guy in five months? Why would Ofstein be concerned about "future security clearances" a minimum of five months after Oswald had spoken to him about "microdots" and three months before the assassination? Why did Ofstein say it was the "microdot" conversation that pushed him into the Crigler meeting but fail to mention the meeting was in August?

Ofstein also states that Oswald gave him the details of his P.O. Box address in Dallas and that he sent a letter to it after Oswald had left the company asking (AGAIN) if Oswald and his wife wanted to visit his house for dinner.”

He said that he met Olfstein “accidentally” on the street, and that, “he knew Ofstein from about June, 1960 to December, 1960 purely as another person attached to the same unit with him. He said that he had never become socially or well acquainted with Ofstein

However, he said later in his FBI interview that about a week after meeting Ofstein in the street in August, Ofstein and his family came to Crigler's house, and that twice more he and his wife visited Ofstein at his (Ofstein's) house.

 

Ofstein's WC testimony was taken at 2 p.m., on March 30, 1964.

Mr. OFSTEIN. No, sir. After Oswald was released from employment, I did ask the recruiting sergeant for Army security here in town, who I was stationed with overseas, about the possibility of getting the FBI to run a routine check on him because of the fact that I have done security work, and the. fact that I also--this was just before I wrote the letter to Oswald inviting him and his wife over--due to the fact that I wanted to keep my record clean. Well, I didn't suspect him as being a spy or anything like that--I just wanted to make sure I was with the right company, and he told me that it was probably nothing.
Mr. JENNER. You wanted to inquire not only with respect to him but also whether you were with the right company?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Well, sir, I wouldn't jeopardize losing any chance of getting a security clearance at anytime I needed it.
Mr. JENNER. And, Sergeant Crozier, did you say his name was--I believe it is Sergeant Geiger.
Mr. OFSTEIN. His first name is Tom--I can't remember his last name now.
Mr. JENNER. Or, is it Kriegler?
Mr. OFSTEIN . Kriegler yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. He had been in the service with you, you had served together?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Yes, sir.

 

So, sometime between August, 1963 (and at least three more times when they had been in each others' homes) and a two-day FBI interview on December 2^nd and 3^rd, 1963, Ofstein forgot Crigler's last name by March, 1964.

 

Seems a little odd.

 

http://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?http&&&www.usarmygermany.com/Units/ASA%20Europe/USAREUR_319thASABn.htm

 

The 507^th US Army Security Agency Group was established on August 10, 1957/

 

In researching the 507^th UASA Group:

https://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?https&&&www.usarmygermany.com/Units/ASA%20Europe/USAREUR_ASAE.htm

 

In contrast to Vietnam where airborne COMINT was playing a significant role in the 1960s, there was no need for airborne COMINT assets in Europe where the ASA collected COMINT via a well-established network of fixed Field Stations.”

 

“Our mission was communications monitoring and intercept “

 

According to Wikileaks the Army Security Agency:

“The Agency existed between 1945 and 1976 and was the successor to Army signal intelligence operations dating back to World War I. ASA was under the operational control of the Director of the National Security Agency (DIRNSA), located at Fort Meade, Maryland; but had its own tactical commander at Headquarters, ASA, Arlington Hall Station, VA.”

 

“Composed of soldiers trained in military intelligence, the ASA was tasked with monitoring and interpreting military communications of the Soviet Union, the People's Republic of China, and their allies and client states around the world. The ASA was directly subordinate to the National Security Agency and all major field stations had NSA technical representatives present.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Security_Agency

 

These are two very interesting websites. Many of the men went through the Language School at Monterey. They were on the front lines of the East/West tensions at the height of the Cold War in Germany. Their job was to monitor, intercept and translate Russian and East German military radio traffic:

 

https://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?https&&&www.usarmygermany.com/Units/ASA%20Europe/USAREUR_ASAE.htm

 

In May 1951, HHC, 502nd Communications Reconnaissance (Comm Rcn) Group was activated at Ft. Devens, MA. The unit received orders to move to Germany in June 1952. Upon arrival in Europe, the Group was assigned to HQ ASA, Europe and ordered to Badenerhof Kaserne in Heilbronn. The 502nd was probably further attached to the Seventh Army and assigned the mission of providing signal intelligence and security support to the field army and its subordinate units. At this time, the 502d Group also assumed control of the 302d and 307th Communications Reconnaissance Battalions which were already in country.

On 15 October 1957, the 502nd ASA Gp was redesignated as 507th USASA Gp.

The 507^th reported directly to Headquarters USA Europe.

 

Paul Mowrey, Det K-1, Coburg, 1957-58:

https://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?https&&&www.usarmygermany.com/Units/ASA%20Europe/USAREUR_ASAE.htm

 

“The primary mission at Coburg when I was there was intercepting Russian and German voice traffic, mostly tank units in some phase of their training cycle. I was part of about 10 students who graduated from the ASA Voice Intercept School in Feb, 1957. After the surge in traffic from the Hungarian Revolution and perhaps to attain more central control over what is going on, the Army decided to upgrade Russian language transcription services. This effort was headed by CWO Owen Yates in the 502nd (GP) in Heilbronn.

All transcription material from Lübeck, Bahrdorf, Coburg, and Passau came to Heilbronn to be checked or cross referenced. After we gained some experience we were sent out to the 302nd and 307th.”

 

So, Ofstein went to the Monterey School of Languages where he studied Russian for a year, and knew German which he had “picked up while he was in Germany” working for a military unit who job it was to intercept and translate Russian and East German military radio traffic.

 

Men who joined the ASA were recruited at the recruiting station, before they went off to basic training.

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/ofstein.htm

 

Mr. OFSTEIN Well, when I went in the service I was interested in radio--I was a disc jockey at the time, and the closest thing my recruiting sergeant said that I could get to radio would be possibly with the Army security agency, so I signed up, and after basic training I went to Fort Devens, Mass., and was held there on a temporary status while the agency determined what type training I should have, and I was given a language ability test and passed that and had a choice of three languages to take, and Russian was my first choice and I was sent to Monterey to study.

http://www.fortdevensmuseum.org/ArmySecurityAgency.php

Submitted by Walter Chisholm

“Most enlistees who joined the Army when I did, did so for a period of three years and that was my intention, too. However, after taking the ordinary battery of tests given to new recruits, I and two others in my group were called aside and taken to a room to talk to another recruiter. He told us that our high scores on those tests qualified us to join an elite group of soldiers in the "Army Security Agency". Of course we had never heard of the ASA and when we asked questions he seemed quite evasive saying only that it was so secret that he couldn't tell us much about it, but he used the words "Top Secret" several times. Sounded very "cloak and dagger. He made a point that "you don't have much time to decide. If you accept, I have to get you on a plane to Fort Jackson SC where you will undergo basic training and then go on to your ASA schooling."

(Source: Email from John O'Neil) (served in 1960)

https://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?https&&&www.usarmygermany.com/Units/ASA%20Europe/USAREUR_ASAE.htm

 

My next duty station (after Vint Hill Farms) was with the 507th USASA Group (Field Army) at Heilbronn am Neckar. We had 4 -2½ ton trucks with expandable sides that held all our IBM equipment that ran off portable diesel generators (one per truck).

 

Jim Campbell in his email said “(When I was in, no 206 had ever re-enlisted - IBM had a job ready for them when they got out.)” When I got out I went to the IBM office in San Francisco, showed them my diploma with TJ Watson’s signature and asked for a job, they asked me what I knew about computers, so I told them I’d seen one in Germany. I got the hint when they said ‘Goodbye, thanks for stopping in”.

Late in 1962 was not the time to look for a job repairing the soon to be obsolete IBM punched card machines! It all turned out for the best. I worked as a tab operator while I taught myself computer programming and all that stuff and lived happily ever after. My wife, our three children and I moved to Australia 40 years ago.

 

Hielbronn was where Dennis Ofstein of Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall fame and Thomas H. Crigler were stationed.

Thomas Crigler worked as an Army recruiter. There was a recruiting office about one or two blocks from the Texas Theater and Brewer's Shoe store in Oak Cliff. Crigler lived at 1705 McAdams in Oak Cliff.

Did Crigler know the “IBM men” from Johnny Brewer’s shoe store?

 

Steve Thomas

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, John Butler said:

This information from the internet may suggest from Harvey Oswald’s use of language is that the was a Russian speaking immigrant from Northern Europe as suggested by many who claimed Oswald was fluent in Russian and not Hungarian as thought due to the Tippit FBI document. 

Hungarian would be more difficult for switching from Hungarian to English then switching from Russian to English.   

Oswald could have been from Belarus or a Russian speaking area of Poland in those years the Germans occupied that territory during WWII. 

From Dr. Norwood, “Peter Gregory, a native of Chita, Siberia, told the Warren Commission that “I thought that Lee Oswald spoke [Russian] with a Polish accent, that is why I asked him if he was of Polish descent….It would be rather unusual…for a person who lived in the Soviet Union for 17 months that he would speak so well that a native Russian would not be sure whether he was born in that country or not.” [8]”

Marina Oswald thought Harvey had a Polish or Baltic accent. 

John,

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/oswald_m1.htm

WC testimony February 3, 1964

Mr. RANKIN. Did you know that Lee Oswald was an American when you first met him?
Mrs. OSWALD. I found that out at the end of that party, towards the end of that party, when I was first introduced to him, I didn't know that.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/hscamar1.htm

HSCA testimony 1977?

Mrs. PORTER. No, I didn't. When he asked to dance, we just talked very little.
Mr. McDONALD. Did he tell you he was an American?
Mrs. PORTER. No, not at that--not during the dancing, no.
Mr. McDONALD. At this time you were speaking in Russian together?
Mrs. PORTER. Yes. He spoke with accent so I assumed he was maybe from another state, which is customary in Russia. People from other states do speak with accents because they do not speak Russian. They speak different languages.
Mr. McDONALD. So when you say another state, you mean another Russian state?
Mrs. PORTER. Yes, like Estonia, Lithuania, something like that.
Mr. McDONALD. Did you suspect at all that he was an American?
Mrs. PORTER. No, not at all.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/demohr_g.htm

Mr. JENNER. What was your impression of his command of Russian?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, he spoke fluent Russian, but with a foreign accent, and made mistakes, grammatical mistakes, but had remarkable fluency in Russian.
Mr. JENNER. It was remarkable?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Remarkable--for a fellow of his background and education, it is remarkable how fast he learned it. But he loved the language. He loved to speak it. He preferred to speak Russian than English any time. He always would switch from English to Russian.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bouhe.htm

Mr. BOUHE - I never discussed a membership in any organization or hunting club. But I now remember that when I asked him after the week's work is done, what do you do--"Well, the boys and I go and hunt duck."
And he said, "ducklings". The reason why I remember it is because he didn't say "duck," but he said in Russian the equivalent of "duckys-duckys".
Mr. LIEBELER - He used the Russian word that was not the precise word to describe duck?
Mr. BOUHE - Yes; but a man going shooting would not use it. He spoke in Russian and did not try to get the Russian word exactly.

Mr. LIEBELER - Did you speak to Oswald in the Russian language from time to time?
Mr. BOUHE - Yes; I did.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you form an impression as to his command of that language?
Mr. BOUHE - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - What was that impression?
Mr. BOUHE - A very strange assortment of words. Grammatically not perfect, but an apparent ease to express himself in that language.

Mr. LIEBELER - Did Oswald's command of the Russian language seem to be about what you would expect from him, having been in Russia for that period of time? Would you say it was good?
Mr. BOUHE - I would say very good.
Mr. LIEBELER - You think he had a good command of the language, considering the amount of time he had spent in Russia?
Mr. BOUHE - Sir, for everyday conversations, yes. But I think that if I would have asked him to write, I would think he would have difficulty.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/raigorod.htm

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Well, from what I understand, George De Mohrenschildt comes from what we call by-the-Baltic Germans.
Mr. JENNER. What is--by-the-Baltic Germans?
Mr. RAIGORODSKY. The by-the-Baltic Germans are Germans that lived by the Baltic Sea and they were Russians or rather, Russiafied Germans and they were in the service of the Czar for generations and generations and were considered Russians. Most of them were barons, you know, and I don't know whether George's family were or not, but the "de" Mohrenschildt signifies that his family had a title.
 

Posted in the Education Forum by Jack White April 2, 2010

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/15686-did-harvey-return-from-russia/page/3/

“I am still doing comparisons of the Russian LHO with the Dallas LHO. Some depict the same person, some do not. The point is...we do not really know what the variety of LHOs in Russia represents...a substitute or doctored photos, or both. But the photos show something suspicious was going on. This leaves us to wonder...did the fake defector Harvey return to the US, or was a Russian impostor substituted for the US impostor?

Jack”

 

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, James Norwood said:

Steve,

I don't want to speak for Jim Hargrove, who started this interesting thread. 

 

James,

You're right. My apologies to Jim Hargrove, who started this thread.

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

So how did it happen?

The best write-up on this I know of is Dr. James Norwood’s essay on my website:

Oswald’s Proficiency in the Russian Language
 

Jim,

I think I agree with James that the "Oswald" imposter came from Russia, specifically from the Baltic region.

In looking for the earliest mentions of a "Harvey Lee Oswald", I was intrigued by the idea that the earliest mentions I could find came from Russian sources. I think there was some kind of triple agent thing going on, but I've never been able to really flesh it out.

Steve Thomas

13 hours ago, James Norwood said:

(3)  TO OFFSTEIN, OSWALD APPEARED TO HAVE ACQUIRED SPECIALIZED SKILLS IN PHOTO ANALYSIS PRIOR TO HIS HIRE AT JCS:  "He asked me one day if I knew the term 'microdot', and I told him , 'no', I wasn't familiar with it and he told me that that was the method of taking a large area of type or a picture and reducing it down to an extremely small size for condensing and for purposes such as where you had a lot of type to photograph to confine them into a small area."  (WCH, Vol. X, 208)  Had Oswald read this description in a book, or was he speaking from hands-on experience?

 

James,

http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=11247.25;wap2

“OFSTEIN said this statement aroused his suspicions and he asked Sgt. TOM CRIGLER, who is employed with the U. S. Army Recruiting Station, Dallas, and is a resident of the Oak Cliff area of Dallas, regarding this. He said he told CRIGLER he had run into a fellow at work who had spent some time in Russia and he wondered if the FBI should run a security check on him inasmuch as he, OFSTEIN, did not want to jeopardize his own status for any possible future security clearances in the event he ever returned to the U. S. Army."

The problem with the above, is the fact that Sgt. Tom Crigler told the FBI that Ofstein contacted him in August, 1963,.five months AFTER Oswald had left Jaggars. Why would Ofstein suddenly want the FBI to run a check on Oswald in August, 1963 when he allegedly hadn't seen the guy in five months? Why would Ofstein be concerned about "future security clearances" a minimum of five months after Oswald had spoken to him about "microdots" and three months before the assassination? Why did Ofstein say it was the "microdot" conversation that pushed him into the Crigler meeting but fail to mention the meeting was in August?

I have some observations about Crigler, the Army Security Agency and IBM if you're interested, but I don't want to hijack your thread.

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, James Norwood said:

The hurdle I am unable to overcome in the interviews with Kittrell is why and how Oswald's handlers would conceivably send him on a mission to overtly incriminate himself. 

James,

This might have a bearing on your question, and then again, it might not. I just don't know; but I felt the same way when comparing Dennis Ofstein's and Oswald's encounters with Louise Latham at the TEC.

I believe in the possibility of coincidences as much as the next guy, but there are some coincidences that are kind of eerie. In this area, there are several that I can think of:

• Oswald and Ofstein were the same age. They were both born in 1939

• They both worked at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall

• They were both referred to JCS by Louise Latham at the Texas Employment Commission

• Ofstein went through the Monterey School of Language and the possibility exists that Oswald may have as well.

 

John Graef testified before the Warren Commission on March 30, 1964.

Mr. GRAEF. That's correct--I'll have to recall as best I can.
“In about October 1962, as director of our photographic department we found ourselves in need of another man, so at this time I called the Texas Employment Commission and spoke to them about sending me someone having as close as possible the abilities that might work out in our photographic department.”

”Mr. JENNER. Would you tell us what you told her in that connection, as best as you can reconstruct it, giving us her name--it was a her?
Mr. GRAEF. “I believe I remember--yes--Louise Latham”. “They have a larger pool to draw from, so I called--in the course of my dealing with them they have various departments and in the course of dealing with them, I became familiar with one person.” “... So, I called this person repeatedly--after the first call or two--this has gone on now over several years and she knew the type person I was looking for and the type of experience that I was looking for, so I called her, and her name was Louise Latham.”

 

Mr. OFSTEIN. For the past 2 years I have been with Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall as a cameraman.
Mr. JENNER As a cameraman?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. What was your work immediately prior to that, by whom, were you employed?
Mr. OFSTEIN. I was working for Sinclair Refining Co. at a local service station.

 

So, Graef is looking for a skilled camera man, and Latham sends him two people; one  that worked as a gas station attendant and another guy who was a sheet metal worker.

Just sounds very odd to me.

Steve Thomas

 

53 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

I will die for you

Ergo…

 

Steve Thomas

Of course, I like Stone-Cold, Steve Austin's response.

He tweeted out a picture of himself driving down the street wearing a face mask.

Somebody sent him a tweet and told him to man up and take off that commie face mask.

Austin replied, "Shut your mouth dude".

Steve Thomas

I've been waiting for this.

Chris Christie:

“We sent our young men during World War II over to Europe, out to the Pacific, knowing, knowing that many of them would not come home alive,” he said earlier this month. “And we decided to make that sacrifice because what we were standing up for was the American way of life. In the very same way now, we have to stand up for the American way of life.”

Our President is a wartime President, and we're all warriors don't you know.

Donald Trump channels Eva Peron. (by me)

Inaugural address: Trump's full speech

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politics/trump-inaugural-address/

 

"Today's ceremony, however, has very special meaning. Because today we are not merely transferring power from one administration to another, or from one party to another -- but we are transferring power from Washington, D.C. and giving it back to you, the American People.

For too long, a small group in our nation's Capital has reaped the rewards of government while the people have borne the cost. Washington flourished -- but the people did not share in its wealth.

The establishment protected itself, but not the citizens of our country. Their victories have not been your victories; their triumphs have not been your triumphs; and while they celebrated in our nation's capital, there was little to celebrate for struggling families all across our land.

That all changes -- starting right here, and right now, because this moment is your moment: it belongs to you.

What truly matters is not which party controls our government, but whether our government is controlled by the people. January 20th 2017, will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again. The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer.

Everyone is listening to you now.

You came by the tens of millions to become part of a historic movement the likes of which the world has never seen before.

We are one nation -- and their pain is our pain. Their dreams are our dreams; and their success will be our success. We share one heart, one home, and one glorious destiny.

I will fight for you with every breath in my body -- and I will never, ever let you down.

Your voice, your hopes, and your dreams will define our American destiny. And your courage and goodness and love will forever guide us along the way.

Together, We will make America strong again.

We will make wealthy again.

We will make America proud again.

We will make America safe again.

 

Eva Peron. Speech to the Descamisados on October 17, 1951

https://www.marxists.org/history/argentina/peron/1951/speech.htm

I have a sacred debt to Peron and all of you, to the workers, to the boys of the CGT, to the descamisados and the people. And it doesn’t matter to me if I have to leave shred of my life along the way in order to repay it.

I will never cease repaying you and would give my life in gratitude for how good you have always been and are with me.

I will not tell you the usual lies: I won’t tell you that I don’t deserve this. Yes, I deserve this, my general. I deserve it for one thing alone, which is worth more than all the gold in the world: I deserve it for all I've done for the love of this people. I'm not important because of what I've done; I'm not important because of what I've renounced; I'm not important because of what I am or have. I have only one thing that matters, and I have it in my heart. It sets my soul aflame, it wounds my flesh and burns in my sinews: it’s love for this people and for Perón. I gave you thanks, my general, for having taught me to know and love them. If this people asked me for my life I would joyfully give it, for the happiness of one descamisado is worth more than my entire life.

And I had to come to thank all of you, my beloved descamisados from all corners of the fatherland for being willing to risk your lives for Perón. I was certain that you knew – as did I – how to serve as Perón’s entrenchment. The enemies of the people, of Perón and the Fatherland, have also long known that Perón and Eva Perón are ready to die for this people. Now they also know that the people are ready to die for Perón.

Compañeros, I ask just one thing today: that all of us publicly vow to defend Perón and to fight for him until death. And our oath will be shouted for a minute so that our cry can reach the last corner of the earth: Our lives for Peron!

Let the enemies of the people, of Perón and the Fatherland come. I have never been afraid of them because I have always believed in the people. I have always believed in my beloved descamisados...

I know that God is with us because he is with the humble and despises the arrogance of the oligarchy. This is why victory will be ours. We will achieve it sooner or later, whatever the cost, whoever may fall.

The takeaways?

I am you and you are me

Together we fight the oligarchy

God is on our side

I will die for you

Ergo…

 

Steve Thomas

20 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Your observation about the silent woman with the first Oswald is a good one, but have you considered that this might have been Judyth Baker vacationing from her chemical work in New Orleans?  (Joke!)  No doubt we agree entirely on Ruth Paine’s position here.  Your point about the woman, though, remains a good one.

Jim,

Do you know if the physical description of the "silent woman" provided by Mrs. Kittrell matches in any way with the description of the woman in the Furniture Mart encounter or the Alice, Texas encounter?

Steve Thomas

14 hours ago, James Norwood said:

The purpose of this elaborate set of interviews with Oswald imposters, likely conceived by David Atlee Phillips, was twofold:

(b) to implant memories of an Oswald who was prone to erratic behavior and violence.

 

James,

There was a time in my life when I thought I would try and see if there was a correlation between Oswald's signature and those times when he was described as demonstrating, "erratic behavior and violence". I didn't get very far into that line of research before I got sidetracked onto other things.

There are many examples of Oswald's signature on the web; for example,

https://www.google.com/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=%22Lee+Harvey+Oswald%22+signature&client=firefox-b-1-d&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjdhpq-ubXpAhXQl-AKHdCACbwQsAR6BAgKEAE&biw=1314&bih=786

It's obvious that his signature varies substantially in several cases. For instance: (with a nod to Larry Rivera)

https://merdist.com/wp/2018/07/10/the-many-faces-of-lee-oswalds-signature/

Mexico City signature:

And the Albert Schweitzer College signature:

 

I thought if I could correlate the instances of when those two different examples appeared, I would know which one of the two Oswald's I was dealing with.

Like I said, I didn't get very far, but I still think it would be a very fruitful line of research.

Steve Thomas

15 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

I’m wondering if anyone knows what Operation Pepe was?

Paul,

This might help you out a little:

https://www.maryferrell.org/php/cryptdb.php?id=PEPE

There's a couple of documents there like this one:

104-10074-10390: CABLE - REQUEST AUTHORITY MOUNT OPERATION PEPE

12/15/61, cable from JMWAVE to Director, slugline JMZIP PEPE COMMO: "Request authority mount Operation PEPE. MRR/DRE...(destination) eastern tip Cayo Jutias...infiltrate five men 1000 pounds cargo. Exfiltrate four men... Infiltrees are Rafael Aureli Quintero Ibarbia aka Roberto Quesada Gonzales aka Jose M. Hernandez Valdes (AMJAVA-4); Juan Manuel Guillot Castellano aka Renato M. Lopez Zamoka aka Rubin Hernandez Ortega (AMBRONC-5); Manuel Salvat Roque (AMHINT-2); Julio Hernandez Rojo (AMHINT-40); John Koch Gene (AMHINT-26). Exfiltrees are Luis Comellas, Carmelo Gonzalez, Manolo Alzucaray, and Emilio Martinez. BARR will provide 1000 pounds weapons ammo..." 201 numbers listed include 201-306319 (AMHINT-26); 201-281270 (AMJAVA-4); 201-281397 (AMFOX-1); 201-286051 (AMHINT-2); 201-310721 (AMHINT-40); 201-281268 (based on process of elimination, maybe AMBRONC-5)

 

Steve Thomas

On 5/2/2020 at 4:29 PM, Steve Thomas said:

Bart,

I wonder if the Edgar S. Boyd, former Commander of the 112th was related to Elmer L. Boyd of the Dallas PD.

This is from the first document in the pdf's you provided:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ddlGVngkyakzpaO4hmqMreuINx2zGC8i\

Commanders of Region II, Dallas:

Steve Thomas

On Tuesday, May 4th, Bill Simpich wrote:

On 11/22/63 Lt. Col. Earl Boyd of the 112th spoke to DPD deputy chief Dolly Fisher and told him his men had heard that two men were doing target practice on Continental Avenue on Wed. night 11/20.  Fisher knew nothing about it.

 

From the Weisberg Archives:

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White Materials/JFK Assassination Photos Book/Pages 007-050.pdf

Page 18

 

This is also outlined in CD 206 pp. 19-20

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10673#relPageId=24&tab=page

I'm thinking that whoever compiled that list of the Commanders of Region II of the 112th got Boyd's name wrong. It wasn't Edgar S, it was Earl E.

Steve Thomas

55 minutes ago, Bill Simpich said:

Steve,

I'm going from memory too - I remember hearing about those anonymous calls about Oswald at the theater to the DPD - I would like to try to substantiate them.

Larry Haapanen has solved the Boyd/Boyt question - he has done research on all three men

 

Bill,

Cool. That's nice to know.

Thanks

Steve Thomas

36 minutes ago, Bill Simpich said:

Steve - I took a look at the Brewer thread - and I see you agree with me on the possibility that Brewer was influenced by the IBM men.

 

Bill,

Just going on memory, didn't the DPD say that they received a number of anonymous phone calls that Oswald was at the Theater?

My suspicion is that a certain amount of those calls came from those IBM men. They disappeared from Brewer's store, never came forward, and were never seen again.

That "IBM list of calls" would settle once and for all if Tippit got a call from Dispatch to "remain at large" for any emergency that might come in.

Steve Thomas

6 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

On 11/22/63 Lt. Col. Earl Boyd of the 112th spoke to DPD deputy chief Dolly Fisher and told him his men had heard that two men were doing target practice on Continental Avenue on Wed. night 11/20.  Fisher knew nothing about it.

 

Bill,

I thought this part of the FBI memo was interesting:

That's the first time I've ever heard of an "IBM listing of radio calls".

I wonder where that list is, and how is IBM involved.

Steve Thomas

On 2/11/2020 at 12:24 PM, David Josephs said:

Talk about hiding in plain sight!

In September 1959 in California, Oswald applied for a PASSPORT using his DoD inactive ID - as noted on the application itself...

Problem being the DoD ID has a photo of HARVEY Oswald from years later and was used to create the fake ALEX HIDELL SSS Card

 

David,

I wonder who Leo Oswald was.

 

Steve Thomas

On 4/8/2020 at 5:25 PM, Bart Kamp said:

I have scanned and uploaded more stuff on Mil Intel fromMalcolm Blunt's files. These can be seen HERE

Bart,

I wonder if the Edgar S. Boyd, former Commander of the 112th was related to Elmer L. Boyd of the Dallas PD.

This is from the first document in the pdf's you provided:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ddlGVngkyakzpaO4hmqMreuINx2zGC8i\

Commanders of Region II, Dallas:

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

I don't know how you run your elections Eddy, but the problem we have here now is the Electoral College.

IMO, it really has to go.  There would have been no disastrous W presidency without the Electoral College.

We then got Trump because of it.

 

Jim,

I was thinking the other night. What would you think of the idea that a member of the Electoral College could not be a member of a political party?

That way, they would not be beholden to anybody.

Steve Thomas

23 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Disinfectant Don

I would like to nominate Donald Trump for the Noble Piece Prize.

Steve Thomas

Disinfectant Don

On 3/28/2018 at 12:11 PM, Steve Thomas said:

 Every time an "Oswald" was around, their plans were foiled.

 

April, 1963 a planned raid in Cuba is waylaid (Alpha 66)

July, 1963 a training camp in Lake Ponchartrain is raided (MDC)

 

I got to thinking that it was around this time that the FBI was tasked with breaking up the Cuban exile camps and foiling their attempts to conduct raids on Cuba from U.S. soil.

Coincidence?

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, Douglas Caddy said:

Lee Oswald, Cubans and the House on Harlandale – Part II

https://www.hsvvoice.com/news/20200420/lee-oswald-cubans-and-house-on-harlandale---part-ii?fbclid=IwAR1Hs5CE9pU4aHTNDGX-P_8s3qP8_BTAy9Mb1hVtI2Klq1k8BcH-_opLakA

 

Doug,

I don't remember if this was suggested in the article, or I read it somewhere else, but what if it wasn't Oswald who was seen going in and out of the house on Harlandale, but rather, it was John Thomas Masen.

As far as I know, the only witness who said it was Oswald, was Walthers' mother-in-law, and she told Walthers that it was Oswald after seeing him on TV.

It would make a lot of sense if was Masen she saw.

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11250#relPageId=2&tab=page

(see page 3)

ATF Agent Frank Ellsworth sets up a sting operation involving John Thomas Masen.

Masen gets some of his guns from thefts from National Guard armories.

Manuel Rodriguez and George Parrel have approached Masen about buying arms. Masen has told Ellsworth that Rodriguez and Parrel hadve tried to buy bazookas, machine guns, and other heavy equipment from him, had previously made purchases from him, and that they had a large cashe of arms in the Dallas area.

Oswald has been seen entering and leaving a house at 1026 Harlendale St. in Dallas that Orcarberro is renting.

Just as he is about to bust Masen, the FBI and local police swoop in and arrest Miller and Whitter on November 18, 1963.

Ellsworth is forced to prematurely arrest Masen on November 20^th.

 

Could many of us have been wrong all these years?

Steve Thomas

 

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/obituaries/2012/09/12/jack-revill-longtime-dallas-police-officer-and-acting-chief-dies-at-82/

Jack Revill, longtime Dallas police officer and acting chief, dies at 82

 

This is for Paul Brancato. Paul asked if Revill was in the Reserves::

"He joined the Dallas Police Department in 1951 as an assistant radio dispatcher and motorcycle patrolman. He was assigned to the narcotics bureau in 1953, where he was a detective and became commander of the unit.

Mr. Revill was drafted and served in the Army in the late 1950s, Mrs. Revill said."

If Revill was born in 1929, and wad drafted in the late 1950's. that would mean he was drafted in his late 20's - close to 30 years old. That seems to me to be like kind of late to be "drafted".

Steve Thomas

 

I thought this was kind of interesting.

What is not explained is why Revill and Frazier were sitting in an unmarked car in a black neighborhood sometime after midnight, and why a third un-named Detective was skulking around.

The Pastor won his appeal.

https://law.justia.com/cases/texas/court-of-criminal-appeals/1959/30540-3.html

 

Brown v. State

Annotate this Case

 

Steve Thomas

4 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Jim,

I was trying to nail this down for another reason.

From:

Road to Dallas, by David Kaiser.page 318

The "Stieg" in question is Edward Stieg. He is being interviewed by FBI Agent, Hosty.

The DRE bank meeting took place at 8:00 at night in a room "over" the bank. Stieg said he had attended the "public" meeting.

Steve Thomas

Hosty's interview with Edwin Steig is in CD 206 page 646.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10672&relPageId=649

Kaiser spelled his name wrong.

Steve Thomas